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    anyone watch " The Bible " on the history channel?

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    14daroad
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 12:56 PM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:





    He doesn't believe in Heaven or Hell.

    He doesn't believe in facts either so it's impossible to even have a discussion with this guy.




    Right. Becuase coming from you, of all people, that absurd assertion is totally true.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:





    He doesn't believe in Heaven or Hell.

    He doesn't believe in facts either so it's impossible to even have a discussion with this guy.




    Right. Becuase coming from you, of all people, that absurd assertion is totally true.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 12:58 PM ET #127

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Romans 10:9  "Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

     

    I give you credit for trying (the "fact based" goldengoose couldn't bother), but fail.

    I love how you highlighted "confess" there.

    That's funny.

    What kind of person reads those sentences and believes them to be:

    1. Confessing of a sin

    2. A guarantee of anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Romans 10:9  "Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

     

    I give you credit for trying (the "fact based" goldengoose couldn't bother), but fail.

    I love how you highlighted "confess" there.

    That's funny.

    What kind of person reads those sentences and believes them to be:

    1. Confessing of a sin

    2. A guarantee of anything

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 1:11 PM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:



    Not you, was talking about 14d. 

    You gave him the quote he asked for and now he'll deny the fact.

    And for the record I'm officially Agnostic.

    What is posted isn't "fact"

    I love how two non-religious people are here pretending to understand the bible. Remember "saved' = you go to heaven!!!

    It is absurd.

    Hint: -Confessing that Jesus is Lord means you will be saved as in converted.

    For a breakdown of Romans 10:9  - which you clearly do not understand, you may want to read this:

    Paul, in Romans 10:9-10, was no more telling sinners how to be converted than Moses in his last sermon was telling the Egyptians how to become Israelites

    https://bible.org/article/why-confess-christ-use-and-abuse-romans-109-10

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:



    Not you, was talking about 14d. 

    You gave him the quote he asked for and now he'll deny the fact.

    And for the record I'm officially Agnostic.

    What is posted isn't "fact"

    I love how two non-religious people are here pretending to understand the bible. Remember "saved' = you go to heaven!!!

    It is absurd.

    Hint: -Confessing that Jesus is Lord means you will be saved as in converted.

    For a breakdown of Romans 10:9  - which you clearly do not understand, you may want to read this:

    Paul, in Romans 10:9-10, was no more telling sinners how to be converted than Moses in his last sermon was telling the Egyptians how to become Israelites

    https://bible.org/article/why-confess-christ-use-and-abuse-romans-109-10

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 1:13 PM ET #129

    Sorry, links:

    This:

    https://bible.org/article/why-confess-christ-use-and-abuse-romans-109-10

    or this:

    https://www.goingtojesus.com/topic_saved.html?tname=tft02-11

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    Sorry, links:

    This:

    https://bible.org/article/why-confess-christ-use-and-abuse-romans-109-10

    or this:

    https://www.goingtojesus.com/topic_saved.html?tname=tft02-11

     
    Ktrain
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 1:34 PM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    What is posted isn't "fact"

    I love how two non-religious people are here pretending to understand the bible. Remember "saved' = you go to heaven!!!

    It is absurd.

    Hint: -Confessing that Jesus is Lord means you will be saved as in converted.

    For a breakdown of Romans 10:9  - which you clearly do not understand, you may want to read this:

    Paul, in Romans 10:9-10, was no more telling sinners how to be converted than Moses in his last sermon was telling the Egyptians how to become Israelites

    https://bible.org/article/why-confess-christ-use-and-abuse-romans-109-10


    I think what's absurd is that long winded response to a pretty simple question. 

    I'm not even asking you to put it into yes or no terms like Rostos wants his question answered. 

    I think a paragraph should be sufficient in answering these questions. 

    What is the criteria for being saved/getting into Heaven. Is Sandusky(or any other horrible human being) going if he meets this criteria? 

    I started reading your links but then it became vague and quite honestly confusing. I don't think it should be that difficult to answer in layman's terms. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    What is posted isn't "fact"

    I love how two non-religious people are here pretending to understand the bible. Remember "saved' = you go to heaven!!!

    It is absurd.

    Hint: -Confessing that Jesus is Lord means you will be saved as in converted.

    For a breakdown of Romans 10:9  - which you clearly do not understand, you may want to read this:

    Paul, in Romans 10:9-10, was no more telling sinners how to be converted than Moses in his last sermon was telling the Egyptians how to become Israelites

    https://bible.org/article/why-confess-christ-use-and-abuse-romans-109-10


    I think what's absurd is that long winded response to a pretty simple question. 

    I'm not even asking you to put it into yes or no terms like Rostos wants his question answered. 

    I think a paragraph should be sufficient in answering these questions. 

    What is the criteria for being saved/getting into Heaven. Is Sandusky(or any other horrible human being) going if he meets this criteria? 

    I started reading your links but then it became vague and quite honestly confusing. I don't think it should be that difficult to answer in layman's terms. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 1:34 PM ET #131

    I'm sorry I should clarify what I meant by long winded. I meant your links, not your actual response. 

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    I'm sorry I should clarify what I meant by long winded. I meant your links, not your actual response. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 1:57 PM ET #132

    Ktrain,

    as the links demonstrate: It's complicated.

    The bible is 2000+ years old, and every paragraph has been interpretated differently.

    My personal answer to your question re: Sandusky, is no. There is no possible way he can get to Heaven. The idea that all you need to do is repent for your sins is a silly Caricature interpretation that leftists pretend Christians believe. The 2nd link I posted shreds that and I'm not surprised a Godless person believes that.

    There is nothing written in the Old Testament about getting into Heaven.

    And so with this: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Revelation 22:12). "

    My original reply to you still stands.

     

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    Ktrain,

    as the links demonstrate: It's complicated.

    The bible is 2000+ years old, and every paragraph has been interpretated differently.

    My personal answer to your question re: Sandusky, is no. There is no possible way he can get to Heaven. The idea that all you need to do is repent for your sins is a silly Caricature interpretation that leftists pretend Christians believe. The 2nd link I posted shreds that and I'm not surprised a Godless person believes that.

    There is nothing written in the Old Testament about getting into Heaven.

    And so with this: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Revelation 22:12). "

    My original reply to you still stands.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 2:07 PM ET #133

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Ktrain,

    as the links demonstrate: It's complicated.

    The bible is 2000+ years old, and every paragraph has been interpretated differently.

    My personal answer to your question re: Sandusky, is no. There is no possible way he can get to Heaven. The idea that all you need to do is repent for your sins is a silly Caricature interpretation that leftists pretend Christians believe. The 2nd link I posted shreds that and I'm not surprised a Godless person believes that.

    There is nothing written in the Old Testament about getting into Heaven.

    And so with this: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Revelation 22:12). "

    My original reply to you still stands.

     


    This is my issue with Rostos' claims then: You say it's complicated and the evidence you have put forth shows that it is. His claim is that it's not complicated and that Religion/God has an answer for everything. Also that since Atheism doesn't have an answer for everything, it is a flawed way of thinking. Since science readily admits that it doesn't have an absolute truth and admits that it's ways can always be improved upon, shows that it's a flawed way of thinking. 

    I think, if anything, believing in absolute truths in matters like this IS the flawed way of thinking until there is reasonable proof one way or another. There is no reasonable proof one way or another, just opinions and thoughts. However, the theist side is the side that is making claims, not the atheist side. The atheist side is simply saying "I don't believe it until you prove it". Not "I don't want to believe it ever". 

    If I make a claim that 2+2=5, then it is on me to prove that. Not on you to prove to me that 2+2 does not equal 5. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Ktrain,

    as the links demonstrate: It's complicated.

    The bible is 2000+ years old, and every paragraph has been interpretated differently.

    My personal answer to your question re: Sandusky, is no. There is no possible way he can get to Heaven. The idea that all you need to do is repent for your sins is a silly Caricature interpretation that leftists pretend Christians believe. The 2nd link I posted shreds that and I'm not surprised a Godless person believes that.

    There is nothing written in the Old Testament about getting into Heaven.

    And so with this: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Revelation 22:12). "

    My original reply to you still stands.

     


    This is my issue with Rostos' claims then: You say it's complicated and the evidence you have put forth shows that it is. His claim is that it's not complicated and that Religion/God has an answer for everything. Also that since Atheism doesn't have an answer for everything, it is a flawed way of thinking. Since science readily admits that it doesn't have an absolute truth and admits that it's ways can always be improved upon, shows that it's a flawed way of thinking. 

    I think, if anything, believing in absolute truths in matters like this IS the flawed way of thinking until there is reasonable proof one way or another. There is no reasonable proof one way or another, just opinions and thoughts. However, the theist side is the side that is making claims, not the atheist side. The atheist side is simply saying "I don't believe it until you prove it". Not "I don't want to believe it ever". 

    If I make a claim that 2+2=5, then it is on me to prove that. Not on you to prove to me that 2+2 does not equal 5. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 2:07 PM ET #134

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Ktrain,

    as the links demonstrate: It's complicated.

    The bible is 2000+ years old, and every paragraph has been interpretated differently.

    My personal answer to your question re: Sandusky, is no. There is no possible way he can get to Heaven. The idea that all you need to do is repent for your sins is a silly Caricature interpretation that leftists pretend Christians believe. The 2nd link I posted shreds that and I'm not surprised a Godless person believes that.

    There is nothing written in the Old Testament about getting into Heaven.

    And so with this: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Revelation 22:12). "

    My original reply to you still stands.

     


    This is the part that Rostos can't comprehend. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Ktrain,

    as the links demonstrate: It's complicated.

    The bible is 2000+ years old, and every paragraph has been interpretated differently.

    My personal answer to your question re: Sandusky, is no. There is no possible way he can get to Heaven. The idea that all you need to do is repent for your sins is a silly Caricature interpretation that leftists pretend Christians believe. The 2nd link I posted shreds that and I'm not surprised a Godless person believes that.

    There is nothing written in the Old Testament about getting into Heaven.

    And so with this: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Revelation 22:12). "

    My original reply to you still stands.

     


    This is the part that Rostos can't comprehend. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 2:11 PM ET #135

    Ktrain,

    There are no words in the bible which instruct that "if you do X, then you are guaranteed to go to Heaven"

    None. Nothing.

    There is however, a handy guide on how to live your life, cultivate your faith, and treat your fellow man which establishes a good foundation for how you will be judged.

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    Ktrain,

    There are no words in the bible which instruct that "if you do X, then you are guaranteed to go to Heaven"

    None. Nothing.

    There is however, a handy guide on how to live your life, cultivate your faith, and treat your fellow man which establishes a good foundation for how you will be judged.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 2:28 PM ET #136

    Ktrain,

    I don't read that at all. Post #100 by Rostos says:

    In terms of who is going to go where, ie, Sandusky going to hell...No one knows

    And I completely agree.

     

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    Ktrain,

    I don't read that at all. Post #100 by Rostos says:

    In terms of who is going to go where, ie, Sandusky going to hell...No one knows

    And I completely agree.

     

     
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    theatrical literature they beat people backwards if they didnt back the words of the scripture
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    theatrical literature they beat people backwards if they didnt back the words of the scripture
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 5:29 PM ET #138

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Ktrain,

    There are no words in the bible which instruct that "if you do X, then you are guaranteed to go to Heaven"

    None. Nothing.

    There is however, a handy guide on how to live your life, cultivate your faith, and treat your fellow man which establishes a good foundation for how you will be judged.


    Here are some passages from your handy guide...

    Matthew 19: 16-17

    And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

    John 3:3

    Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

    Matthew 19:23-24

    And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

    Mark 16:16

    Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

    John 3:36

    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Ktrain,

    There are no words in the bible which instruct that "if you do X, then you are guaranteed to go to Heaven"

    None. Nothing.

    There is however, a handy guide on how to live your life, cultivate your faith, and treat your fellow man which establishes a good foundation for how you will be judged.


    Here are some passages from your handy guide...

    Matthew 19: 16-17

    And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

    John 3:3

    Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

    Matthew 19:23-24

    And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

    Mark 16:16

    Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

    John 3:36

    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.



     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 5:32 PM ET #139

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    I give you credit for trying (the "fact based" goldengoose couldn't bother), but fail.

    I love how you highlighted "confess" there.

    That's funny.

    What kind of person reads those sentences and believes them to be:

    1. Confessing of a sin

    2. A guarantee of anything


    if this is "god's" word, I would think it would be a guarantee...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    I give you credit for trying (the "fact based" goldengoose couldn't bother), but fail.

    I love how you highlighted "confess" there.

    That's funny.

    What kind of person reads those sentences and believes them to be:

    1. Confessing of a sin

    2. A guarantee of anything


    if this is "god's" word, I would think it would be a guarantee...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 6:41 PM ET #140

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    if this is "god's" word, I would think it would be a guarantee...


    I love your passages from the bible.

    Really, this is comedy gold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    if this is "god's" word, I would think it would be a guarantee...


    I love your passages from the bible.

    Really, this is comedy gold.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 6:42 PM ET #141

    Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”


    And of course that totally means: "If you are born again, you are guaranteed to see the Kingdom of God"

    Really. It does.
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    Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”


    And of course that totally means: "If you are born again, you are guaranteed to see the Kingdom of God"

    Really. It does.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 6:44 PM ET #142

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    if this is "god's" word, I would think it would be a guarantee...

    You really, really need to do yourself a favor and stop suggesting you understand the word of God.

    Again, There are no words in the bible which instruct that "if you do X, then you are guaranteed to go to Heaven.

    And I'm not going to continue to debate this obvious and inarguable point with Godless people who can't understand the proper use of the term "guarantee"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    if this is "god's" word, I would think it would be a guarantee...

    You really, really need to do yourself a favor and stop suggesting you understand the word of God.

    Again, There are no words in the bible which instruct that "if you do X, then you are guaranteed to go to Heaven.

    And I'm not going to continue to debate this obvious and inarguable point with Godless people who can't understand the proper use of the term "guarantee"

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 7:29 PM ET #143

    Ktrain,

    I don't know how they interpreted anything from the bible to make it sound like you shouldn't see a doctor is you are sick.

    What I find most disappointing is, the majority of the people have never read the bible, yet when someone goes and does something and then says "the bible has that scripture" causing them to do such a bad thing, the majority of posters here gullible to believe them.

    As I have asked many times, how does one interpret the teachings of Jesus to perform bad things? How? So many gullible posters on here who just believe people without digging into it

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    Ktrain,

    I don't know how they interpreted anything from the bible to make it sound like you shouldn't see a doctor is you are sick.

    What I find most disappointing is, the majority of the people have never read the bible, yet when someone goes and does something and then says "the bible has that scripture" causing them to do such a bad thing, the majority of posters here gullible to believe them.

    As I have asked many times, how does one interpret the teachings of Jesus to perform bad things? How? So many gullible posters on here who just believe people without digging into it

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 7:56 PM ET #144

    Matthew 7:21-27 

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.



    Total guarantee, huh?

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    Matthew 7:21-27 

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.



    Total guarantee, huh?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 8:27 PM ET #145

    is Sandusky(or any other horrible human being) going if he meets this criteria?



    Apparently not.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    ===============


    Luke 13:22-35 

    Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’

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    is Sandusky(or any other horrible human being) going if he meets this criteria?



    Apparently not.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    ===============


    Luke 13:22-35 

    Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 8:33 PM ET #146

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Here are some passages from your handy guide...

    Matthew 19: 16-17

    And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

    John 3:3

    Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

    Matthew 19:23-24

    And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

    Mark 16:16

    Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

    John 3:36

    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.




    its weird to see bible nuts try to argue your passages from the bible...  perhaps your passages are wrong and their passages are right and the bible is supposed to be all right at the same time...

    really shows how people like this think
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Here are some passages from your handy guide...

    Matthew 19: 16-17

    And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

    John 3:3

    Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

    Matthew 19:23-24

    And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

    Mark 16:16

    Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

    John 3:36

    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.




    its weird to see bible nuts try to argue your passages from the bible...  perhaps your passages are wrong and their passages are right and the bible is supposed to be all right at the same time...

    really shows how people like this think
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 11:54 PM ET #147

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”


    And of course that totally means: "If you are born again, you are guaranteed to see the Kingdom of God"

    Really. It does.

    if you aren't born again can you see the "Kingdom of God"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”


    And of course that totally means: "If you are born again, you are guaranteed to see the Kingdom of God"

    Really. It does.

    if you aren't born again can you see the "Kingdom of God"?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2013 - 11:58 PM ET #148

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    You really, really need to do yourself a favor and stop suggesting you understand the word of God.

    Again, There are no words in the bible which instruct that "if you do X, then you are guaranteed to go to Heaven.

    And I'm not going to continue to debate this obvious and inarguable point with Godless people who can't understand the proper use of the term "guarantee"


    and you are the authority on understanding the bible? now THAT is pure comedy gold

    never said guarantee, but this what your manual says is the way into heaven...

    I know, your interpretation is right and everyone else's is wrong 

    please stop, your killing me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    You really, really need to do yourself a favor and stop suggesting you understand the word of God.

    Again, There are no words in the bible which instruct that "if you do X, then you are guaranteed to go to Heaven.

    And I'm not going to continue to debate this obvious and inarguable point with Godless people who can't understand the proper use of the term "guarantee"


    and you are the authority on understanding the bible? now THAT is pure comedy gold

    never said guarantee, but this what your manual says is the way into heaven...

    I know, your interpretation is right and everyone else's is wrong 

    please stop, your killing me....
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2013 - 12:00 AM ET #149

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    is Sandusky(or any other horrible human being) going if he meets this criteria?



    Apparently not.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    ===============


    Luke 13:22-35 

    Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’


    oh, I understand now, your passages are right and mine are wrong, yet they come from the same bible
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    is Sandusky(or any other horrible human being) going if he meets this criteria?



    Apparently not.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    ===============


    Luke 13:22-35 

    Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’


    oh, I understand now, your passages are right and mine are wrong, yet they come from the same bible
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2013 - 7:29 AM ET #150

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    oh, I understand now, your passages are right and mine are wrong, yet they come from the same bible

    Actually, my passages address the topic and yours do not.

    To the surprise of nobody reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    oh, I understand now, your passages are right and mine are wrong, yet they come from the same bible

    Actually, my passages address the topic and yours do not.

    To the surprise of nobody reading.
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