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    Hugh_Jorgan
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 6:46 AM ET #1

    Which would you choose for retirement;

    $1 million lump sum 
     ... or ...
    $5,000 per month

    Go ... 
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Which would you choose for retirement;

    $1 million lump sum 
     ... or ...
    $5,000 per month

    Go ... 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 7:29 AM ET #2

    This is definitely a no brainer...

    $1m lump sum...converted to CD's


    let's see, 5k a month, that's 60k a year, you retire at 62; by the time you reach the age of 82 you have your million. what does it matter?

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    This is definitely a no brainer...

    $1m lump sum...converted to CD's


    let's see, 5k a month, that's 60k a year, you retire at 62; by the time you reach the age of 82 you have your million. what does it matter?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 9:53 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    This is definitely a no brainer...

    $1m lump sum...converted to CD's


    let's see, 5k a month, that's 60k a year, you retire at 62; by the time you reach the age of 82 you have your million. what does it matter?



    That's a very smart and poignant way of rationalizing this.

    However.....

    Knowing my stupid degenerate self I would probably piss it all away gambling, or doing something idiotic like buy a Bugatti and then totalling it, or investing in HailFlutie's penny stocks.....

    But an extra $5,000 a month, every month?!?!?!


    I pissed my "allowance" away by the 12th?

    No worries, just 18 more days and I'm baaaaaack in the saddle again!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    This is definitely a no brainer...

    $1m lump sum...converted to CD's


    let's see, 5k a month, that's 60k a year, you retire at 62; by the time you reach the age of 82 you have your million. what does it matter?



    That's a very smart and poignant way of rationalizing this.

    However.....

    Knowing my stupid degenerate self I would probably piss it all away gambling, or doing something idiotic like buy a Bugatti and then totalling it, or investing in HailFlutie's penny stocks.....

    But an extra $5,000 a month, every month?!?!?!


    I pissed my "allowance" away by the 12th?

    No worries, just 18 more days and I'm baaaaaack in the saddle again!!!!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 10:51 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:



    That's a very smart and poignant way of rationalizing this.

    However.....

    Knowing my stupid degenerate self 

    you'd be calling "JG Wentworth" to convert the 5K a month to a lump sum and they'd give you 300K...

    If you get million lump sum, you'd have to pay almost half of it in taxes right off the bat.  If you get the 5K a month, unless you have a significant other income, you'd pay a lot less than tax.  

    On the other hand, if you get the lump sum, you could start a business...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:



    That's a very smart and poignant way of rationalizing this.

    However.....

    Knowing my stupid degenerate self 

    you'd be calling "JG Wentworth" to convert the 5K a month to a lump sum and they'd give you 300K...

    If you get million lump sum, you'd have to pay almost half of it in taxes right off the bat.  If you get the 5K a month, unless you have a significant other income, you'd pay a lot less than tax.  

    On the other hand, if you get the lump sum, you could start a business...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 1:12 PM ET #5

    Always take the money... 1 million. 
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    Always take the money... 1 million. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 2:15 PM ET #6

    Net present value calculation is another rool for financial decision making.  Below are various payouts for different life expectancies  assuming  2% annual inflation (or interest) rate, no opportunity cost and $60,000 paid annually.

    60 years $2085653.  20 years $981086.

    $1 million lump sum is preferred if life expectancy is under 21 years. Also higher inflation rate tends to favor lump sum.  However monthly annuity is  preferred if life expectancy exceeds 21 years..
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    Net present value calculation is another rool for financial decision making.  Below are various payouts for different life expectancies  assuming  2% annual inflation (or interest) rate, no opportunity cost and $60,000 paid annually.

    60 years $2085653.  20 years $981086.

    $1 million lump sum is preferred if life expectancy is under 21 years. Also higher inflation rate tends to favor lump sum.  However monthly annuity is  preferred if life expectancy exceeds 21 years..
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 2:26 PM ET #7

    i'm not even sure you'll be able to get a subscription to the penalty box nfl newsletter this season at just $5,000 per month and still have anything left over to bet with.  i'd take the lump sum. 
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    i'm not even sure you'll be able to get a subscription to the penalty box nfl newsletter this season at just $5,000 per month and still have anything left over to bet with.  i'd take the lump sum. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 3:44 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Net present value calculation is another rool for financial decision making.  Below are various payouts for different life expectancies  assuming  2% annual inflation (or interest) rate, no opportunity cost and $60,000 paid annually.

    60 years $2085653.  20 years $981086.

    $1 million lump sum is preferred if life expectancy is under 21 years. Also higher inflation rate tends to favor lump sum.  However monthly annuity is  preferred if life expectancy exceeds 21 years..

    This would be the correct answer, which is why the values of $5k per month or $1 million lump sum were used.

    Most people retire around 62-65.
    Life expectancy avg for folks of those ages is about 20 years.
    Thus, under normal conditions both options have similar values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Net present value calculation is another rool for financial decision making.  Below are various payouts for different life expectancies  assuming  2% annual inflation (or interest) rate, no opportunity cost and $60,000 paid annually.

    60 years $2085653.  20 years $981086.

    $1 million lump sum is preferred if life expectancy is under 21 years. Also higher inflation rate tends to favor lump sum.  However monthly annuity is  preferred if life expectancy exceeds 21 years..

    This would be the correct answer, which is why the values of $5k per month or $1 million lump sum were used.

    Most people retire around 62-65.
    Life expectancy avg for folks of those ages is about 20 years.
    Thus, under normal conditions both options have similar values.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 3:59 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Net present value calculation is another rool for financial decision making.  Below are various payouts for different life expectancies  assuming  2% annual inflation (or interest) rate, no opportunity cost and $60,000 paid annually.

    60 years $2085653.  20 years $981086.

    $1 million lump sum is preferred if life expectancy is under 21 years. Also higher inflation rate tends to favor lump sum.  However monthly annuity is  preferred if life expectancy exceeds 21 years..


    Yep, thirdperson nailed it.  Age and Health are the two relevant determining factors. This is almost the exact scenario for my disabled 23 year old son.  His monthly annuity is slightly higher at $7K a month.  Unless his health should rapidly deteriorate Wifey and I decided to just leave it alone.
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Net present value calculation is another rool for financial decision making.  Below are various payouts for different life expectancies  assuming  2% annual inflation (or interest) rate, no opportunity cost and $60,000 paid annually.

    60 years $2085653.  20 years $981086.

    $1 million lump sum is preferred if life expectancy is under 21 years. Also higher inflation rate tends to favor lump sum.  However monthly annuity is  preferred if life expectancy exceeds 21 years..


    Yep, thirdperson nailed it.  Age and Health are the two relevant determining factors. This is almost the exact scenario for my disabled 23 year old son.  His monthly annuity is slightly higher at $7K a month.  Unless his health should rapidly deteriorate Wifey and I decided to just leave it alone.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 4:10 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Net present value calculation is another rool for financial decision making.  Below are various payouts for different life expectancies  assuming  2% annual inflation (or interest) rate, no opportunity cost and $60,000 paid annually.

    60 years $2085653.  20 years $981086.

    $1 million lump sum is preferred if life expectancy is under 21 years. Also higher inflation rate tends to favor lump sum.  However monthly annuity is  preferred if life expectancy exceeds 21 years..


    Your math is 100% correct, except for one factor. You forgot the "GimmeMoney has a million burning a hole in his pocket" quotient.....

    Take the square root of that and divide it by the lack of self control and you'll get your answer.....

    Anyone ever seen that T.V. show "The Lottery Ruined My Life"? 

    Yeah, that would be me.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Net present value calculation is another rool for financial decision making.  Below are various payouts for different life expectancies  assuming  2% annual inflation (or interest) rate, no opportunity cost and $60,000 paid annually.

    60 years $2085653.  20 years $981086.

    $1 million lump sum is preferred if life expectancy is under 21 years. Also higher inflation rate tends to favor lump sum.  However monthly annuity is  preferred if life expectancy exceeds 21 years..


    Your math is 100% correct, except for one factor. You forgot the "GimmeMoney has a million burning a hole in his pocket" quotient.....

    Take the square root of that and divide it by the lack of self control and you'll get your answer.....

    Anyone ever seen that T.V. show "The Lottery Ruined My Life"? 

    Yeah, that would be me.....
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 4:31 PM ET #11

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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 8:42 PM ET #12

    If minimizing risk is the criteria, lump sum is preferred choice.  In the long term, risks such as accidental death may be more probable.
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    If minimizing risk is the criteria, lump sum is preferred choice.  In the long term, risks such as accidental death may be more probable.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 9:32 PM ET #13


    Protected by Mercedes and Rottweiler. 
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Protected by Mercedes and Rottweiler. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 10:18 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    Protected by Mercedes and Rottweiler. 

    I always figured you had a couple of buddies by the name of Smith & Wesson.....

    And your good pal Johnnie Walker, and his brothers Blackie & Red.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    Protected by Mercedes and Rottweiler. 

    I always figured you had a couple of buddies by the name of Smith & Wesson.....

    And your good pal Johnnie Walker, and his brothers Blackie & Red.....


     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2017 - 11:41 PM ET #15

    $5k a month

    A million up front leaves the possibility of chasing....
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    $5k a month

    A million up front leaves the possibility of chasing....
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