After El Chapo will the government ever get serious about war on drugs

Obviously just a small amount of the ones in just the LA area.

So, you can say they aren't arresting enough of them---and I will agree with you.

But you cannot say that they are not arresting them.  They are.  It is just harder than catching the casual user and small-time dealer.

Short but interesting:

https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/dmas/Los_Angeles_DMA-2011(U).pdf

More about the garment district:

https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/dmas/Los_Angeles_DMA-2011(U).pdf

Not just cocaine, heroin, and PCP:

https://97rockonline.com/massive-oxycontin-drug-raid-spokane-los-angeles/

Anyway----you get the point---it is going on.  Now imagine this througout the state of California---and then imagine it around the United States.  It is an amazing job they do actually.  It is not easy and usually takes much time and money to set up, etc.

The issue is the media (which has an agenda) has propagated this myth of it just being users getting arrested.  Sure, they are getting arrested.  That is part of the deal.  But the media and Liberals want the War on Drugs stopped.  So, they really push the points that further this myth. But the overwhelming stiff sentences are going to the dealers---not the users.

Maybe more could be done to rehab the users also.  But it is the same reason more people are cited for speeding than littering or DUIs or texting.  There are simply more of them.  But the DUIs get the stiffer sentences when they are caught.

But if you want to say that you don't think users should be arrested---then simply say that.  But do not say we are not arresting the dealers and trying to catch the top guys as well.

You can also say you don't see the bang for the buck.  And maybe that is so.  But that goes to my point about the bigger a government office is, the less efficient it is, etc.

At any rate---some thigns to think about. 

Top ten:

https://www.alternet.org/drugs/10-craziest-drug-busts

10. The High Life, 1989

Haul: $13 Billion

In a warehouse located in an upscale California residential community in the foothills of of the San Gabriel mountains, the cops cuffed big time cartel kingpin Rafael Munoz Talavera and seized his $13 billion in illicit assets: a US record-breaking (and maintaining) 21 tons of cocaine, enough to cut five lines for every American. But even this impressive haul was small-time compared to the 77 tons that had moved through the warehouse in the time up to the arrest. For that much product, Talavera shelled out $81 million for transportation costs alone.

atlanta.

9 articles in 13 years in a city that size.  that's not rare? 

also, i didn't go through them all but the first reuters article says they arrested 9 people who took part in the black market peso exchange, which is a huge operation, but no indication what role these 9 played.

the second reuters article talked about 50 gang members arrested but no indication what level they are.

the 3-4 articles i saw didn't give any indication that a major dealer was arrested.

anyway, the best way for one to see who is actually getting arrested in the war on drugs is to go to a criminal courtroom in state court and see who is going through the system.  you obviously won't know the details of these cases like the lawyers involved but you'll get a pretty good idea of who gets arrested.   and as the stats in slim's link indicate, you'll see a lot of possession cases and a lot of small time drug dealers. 

The issue is the media (which has an agenda) has propagated this myth of it just being users getting arrested.  Sure, they are getting arrested.  That is part of the deal.  But the media and Liberals want the War on Drugs stopped.


it's not the media.  it's people who actually know how the system works because they have been in the system for many years and see exactly who is getting arrested.

and while liberals may want to war on drugs stopped, it's fiscal conservatives primarily who want it stopped because of the tremendous amount of money and resources that goes into it just so politicians can pretend they are making a lot of important arrests while nothing productive is ever getting done. 

the only people who can make a case for the war on drugs are fiscal ultra liberals. 

again, if you are really interested in seeing who gets arrested in the war on drugs, go to where the people who get arrested are: criminal court in state court.  posting a few articles from google is giving you know understanding of how this system works. 

even f*cking boehner can see what a waste of money some of this garbage is. 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/cjciaramella/boehner-backs-bill-that-would-change-sentencing-for-non-viol#.fsNaDN0AX

More than 9 articles?  There were 5 pages on just the first one I sent. They were all for drug dealing and money laundering, etc.

And this is just that timeframe and just that area that was covered.

Atlanta is a huge hub!  Many arrests are made there as well.

How many is enough for you???

Sure--there are more everyday delers and users going through court system.    How hard is that to understand?  So what?  They are still arresting the big guys as well.  It is not a one-to-one ratio of dealer to user. 

This is not rocket science.  Of course we all know people arrested for using drugs or small-time dealers.  So, we think (as the media and Liberals want) they are the ONLY ones being arrested. They simply are not.

This is like the guy that gets pulled over for speeding wondering why the cops aren't doing 'more important' things like arresting rapists and murderers. They do that also.  There are just fewer of them, etc.

Apparently 'rare' is very, very relative.  What is your perception of what the ratio should be?  Or do you want NO users arrested?

not one of your articles indicated a major drug dealer had been arrested.  you can't get any kind of handle on the war on drugs by googling these articles. 

what should happen is the cops should stop focusing on arresting so many users and low level drug dealers, which is overwhelmingly who they are arresting.  i know from experience and the stats slim posted tell the same story.  but, those are the easy arrests to make, particularly marijuana (as the stats show), and those arrests are good for sheriff's and mayors who can cite simple arrest stats when it's election time. 

i would certainly take no users arrested over 82% of drug arrests being possession cases. 

'Major' is relative as well.

My point is it is NOT just users getting arrested.

So your point is you want no users arrested?  Or only when what number of whatever you define as 'major' drug dealers are arrested?

Major enough for me:

Authorities carted off scores of boxes stuffed with U.S. currency in large-denomination bills. Together with funds confiscated from bank accounts in asset-forfeiture actions filed around the world, officials estimated that $65 million in illegal proceeds were seized as part of the investigation.

In one of three indictment unsealed in connection with the raids, a wholesaler named QT Fashion was accused of accepting and laundering $140,000 paid as ransom for an American drug dealer kidnapped and tortured by the Sinaloa drug cartel inMexico.

Somewhat major to me:

In their joint crackdown on the Five Deuce Broadway Gangster Crips, officials said federal and local law enforcement officers focused on the most violent clique within the street gang.

The gang has about 200 members and operates in South Los Angeles near the city's skid row, catering to drug-addicted denizens of the area, federal prosecutors said.

"This gang has been a thorn in the side of this area for a long time," Los Angeles City Councilman Curren Price Jr said at a news conference.

Prosecutors charged 72 people with crimes ranging from drug trafficking to conspiracy to engage in illegal activities, in a 112-page federal court indictment unsealed on Tuesday. They all face at least 10 years in prison if convicted.

Most of those charged in the federal indictment were arrested on Tuesday, but 17 people were already in custody on unrelated charges and authorities were searching for another seven defendants, prosecutors said.

The indictment lists four murders dating back to 1987 that prosecutors said members of the gang committed, and it accuses some in the organization of following bank customers to their homes and robbing them, as well as dealing drugs near schools.

In total, a force of over 1,300 FBI agents and Los Angeles police officers fanned out across the gang's territory on Tuesday, arresting 50 people associated with the gang, including two who were not named in the indictment but were charged with crimes in state court, federal prosecutors said in a statement.

500,000 inmates have passed trough Tent City and I have not heard of any escapes from Joe's jail,but if they did get by the electrified fence surrounding the compound ,the pink underwear would certainly give them away....lol

Major to me:

Federal prosecutors said eight people were arrested and more than a ton of drugs and several vehicles were seized after a lengthy investigation revealed two national drug trafficking groups were working out of the same block in Compton.

A total of 15 defendants were charged with distributing narcotics in two criminal complaints filed last week in U.S. District Court, the result of an investigation that lasted more than two years. Eight people were arrested in Los Angeles on Thursday and Friday morning. Officials also seized more than a ton of marijuana and thousands of prescription pills during the bust.

 

Major to me:

Authorities have arrested 20 people and seized about 7.7 million doses of PCP in connection with a drug trafficking investigation linked to a South Los Angeles street gang.

Authorities in South Los Angeles seized almost 100 gallons of PCP, or "angel dust," and the chemicals used to make it. The estimated street value is $1 billion. Officials said Southern California is considered the place where the hallucinogenic drug is manufactured to be distributed to the entire country

I will never understand the Liberal view on this.  I get that they have some good points.  I just think they dismiss a lot of bigger points to try to make their points look more important.

At any rate---I have seen this very, very up close.  So we will have to disagree on this.  Maybe you can say they should legalize everything.  But you cannot say they aren't arresting major figures when they can.

Ok, looks like you might have found a couple examples of major drug dealers arrested in the United States in recent history. I guess that's something.

My point, which I've stated, is that we spend a shitload of money, time, resources and infrastructure on the war on drugs and it is a tremendous waste and has the effect of making big government bigger. Overwhelmingly, asy experience and the stats prove, we are just making possession arrests, and much of that for marijuana, and low level drug dealers.

We'd be much better off not arresting anyone for marijuana, drastically knitting the inordinate number of possession arrests and if we are going to have some war on drugs, at least try and focus on major drug dealers, which we don't do.

I don't understand the liberal approach. I suppose we have very different views on what "liberal" means but I define it as a policy that involves a huge expenditure of money, serve to make government bigger and has no tangible evidence of success. By that definition, the war on drugs is the most liberal policy ever created.