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    After El Chapo will the government ever get serious about war on drugs

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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 2:32 PM ET #1

    The war on drugs was a joke. There isn't a war on drugs and never was when you have government employees letting them out of jail for money or helping them escape.  Article came out yesterday El Chapo had help escaping.  Really?  And from who the government?   If they really wanted to stop drugs they would say anyone caught in possession of any narcotic automatically gets put in prison for five years.

    There is no war on drugs when the head of a prison or like in New York people for the jail helping them escape. 12 People helping them escape? In Mexico they fired that head of the prison.
    Let me ask you this what happens when they help them? That one New York guy killed a sheriff Orozco got shot and killed by a guy they let off on cocaine charges and another charge you can go on and on.

    Government employees help these people then they turn around and shoot them dead.  Sure the money sounds great today but do you really want to let those people out when they are going to be shooting at you tomorrow?

     Those are the kind of people the government decides to help? Really?   I wouldn't help people out for any amount of money that are going to be out on the streets trying to gun me down the next day.

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    The war on drugs was a joke. There isn't a war on drugs and never was when you have government employees letting them out of jail for money or helping them escape.  Article came out yesterday El Chapo had help escaping.  Really?  And from who the government?   If they really wanted to stop drugs they would say anyone caught in possession of any narcotic automatically gets put in prison for five years.

    There is no war on drugs when the head of a prison or like in New York people for the jail helping them escape. 12 People helping them escape? In Mexico they fired that head of the prison.
    Let me ask you this what happens when they help them? That one New York guy killed a sheriff Orozco got shot and killed by a guy they let off on cocaine charges and another charge you can go on and on.

    Government employees help these people then they turn around and shoot them dead.  Sure the money sounds great today but do you really want to let those people out when they are going to be shooting at you tomorrow?

     Those are the kind of people the government decides to help? Really?   I wouldn't help people out for any amount of money that are going to be out on the streets trying to gun me down the next day.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 2:48 PM ET #2

    Cash and asset seizures are #2 in govt revenue, #1 is the IRS.

    Alllll about the cash and guys like Guzman keep that cash flowing.

     

     

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    Cash and asset seizures are #2 in govt revenue, #1 is the IRS.

    Alllll about the cash and guys like Guzman keep that cash flowing.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 3:02 PM ET #3

    very true

    https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/dea-agents-had-cartel-funded-sex-parties-prostitutes

    Stories like this to Dea agents partying with prostitutes paid for by the Columbian drug cartel

    And your telling me they are trying to stop drug use in the United States?  This from the inspector general.

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    very true

    https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/dea-agents-had-cartel-funded-sex-parties-prostitutes

    Stories like this to Dea agents partying with prostitutes paid for by the Columbian drug cartel

    And your telling me they are trying to stop drug use in the United States?  This from the inspector general.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 3:16 PM ET #4

    what does getting serious about the war on drugs look like?
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    what does getting serious about the war on drugs look like?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 3:28 PM ET #5

    If you are talking about the US 'getting serious' about the war on drugs, you group yourself among the most uninformed posters on this site (and in this forum that is a very large group).
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    If you are talking about the US 'getting serious' about the war on drugs, you group yourself among the most uninformed posters on this site (and in this forum that is a very large group).
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 4:06 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    what does getting serious about the war on drugs look like?

    Getting serious about the war on drugs looks like this ....yesterday President Barack Obama commuted the prison sentences of 46 drug offenders...that's pretty serious ...No ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    what does getting serious about the war on drugs look like?

    Getting serious about the war on drugs looks like this ....yesterday President Barack Obama commuted the prison sentences of 46 drug offenders...that's pretty serious ...No ?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 4:36 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Getting serious about the war on drugs looks like this ....yesterday President Barack Obama commuted the prison sentences of 46 drug offenders...that's pretty serious ...No ?



    call me a fiscal conservative, but i don't like paying $35,000/year or so for each nonviolent drug offender that we keep in prison. 

    since the war on drugs is the most fiscally wasteful, counter productive, big government encouraging policy in the history of mankind, i would definitely agree that obama's actions yesterday is not a serious effort to further the war on drugs. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Getting serious about the war on drugs looks like this ....yesterday President Barack Obama commuted the prison sentences of 46 drug offenders...that's pretty serious ...No ?



    call me a fiscal conservative, but i don't like paying $35,000/year or so for each nonviolent drug offender that we keep in prison. 

    since the war on drugs is the most fiscally wasteful, counter productive, big government encouraging policy in the history of mankind, i would definitely agree that obama's actions yesterday is not a serious effort to further the war on drugs. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 5:44 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    what does getting serious about the war on drugs look like?
    Go ask Nancy Reagan and how the "Just Say No" campaign turned out back in the '80's.......

    I remember kids coming to school with a D.A.R.E. shirt with the full on logo that actually said:

    "Drugs Are Really Excellent"

    ......and they were high as s#it......

    For fukks sake! I used to wear a "Corona Extra" T-Shirt to school, and we could smoke cigarettes........


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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    what does getting serious about the war on drugs look like?
    Go ask Nancy Reagan and how the "Just Say No" campaign turned out back in the '80's.......

    I remember kids coming to school with a D.A.R.E. shirt with the full on logo that actually said:

    "Drugs Are Really Excellent"

    ......and they were high as s#it......

    For fukks sake! I used to wear a "Corona Extra" T-Shirt to school, and we could smoke cigarettes........


     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 7:56 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    what does getting serious about the war on drugs look like?



     It looks like  Indonesia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    what does getting serious about the war on drugs look like?



     It looks like  Indonesia.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 8:17 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    call me a fiscal conservative, but i don't like paying $35,000/year or so for each nonviolent drug offender that we keep in prison. 

    since the war on drugs is the most fiscally wasteful, counter productive, big government encouraging policy in the history of mankind, i would definitely agree that obama's actions yesterday is not a serious effort to further the war on drugs. 

    Like I posted before "nonviolent drug offender " is an oxymoron..their is no such thing ,, drug users hits family's hard ,, can tear them apart, ruin lives ,wreck friendships and destroy careers ...

    Maybe we should just change the name ..instead of the "War on Drugs" ..we should called the "Fight Against Drug Use."

    Not only can drug addiction lead to suicide, but there is clearly a connection between substance abuse and mental illness as evident in the recent events of mass murders ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    call me a fiscal conservative, but i don't like paying $35,000/year or so for each nonviolent drug offender that we keep in prison. 

    since the war on drugs is the most fiscally wasteful, counter productive, big government encouraging policy in the history of mankind, i would definitely agree that obama's actions yesterday is not a serious effort to further the war on drugs. 

    Like I posted before "nonviolent drug offender " is an oxymoron..their is no such thing ,, drug users hits family's hard ,, can tear them apart, ruin lives ,wreck friendships and destroy careers ...

    Maybe we should just change the name ..instead of the "War on Drugs" ..we should called the "Fight Against Drug Use."

    Not only can drug addiction lead to suicide, but there is clearly a connection between substance abuse and mental illness as evident in the recent events of mass murders ..

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 8:40 PM ET #11

    fight against drug use makes more sense.  but spending a shitload of taxpayer money to increase the size of government and build prisons and pay for law enforcement to arrest users and low level drug dealers makes no sense unless the goal is to increase government and waste a shitload of money.
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    fight against drug use makes more sense.  but spending a shitload of taxpayer money to increase the size of government and build prisons and pay for law enforcement to arrest users and low level drug dealers makes no sense unless the goal is to increase government and waste a shitload of money.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 9:08 PM ET #12

    without the "drug war" this economy takes a major hit. and I mean major.

    80% of drugs move from Maexico to the U.S. We love our drugs, we need them and there's not a thing anybody can do to stop it....ever.

    The Chapos stimulate economies folks. They provide resources and funding for poor countries, children, the poor.....it goes on and on.

    Like it or not he's valuable and jailing him means absolutely ZERO. All operations thrive whether he's locked up or not. Man is a corporate tycoon. Escobar had to be shot, Guzman knows why.

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    without the "drug war" this economy takes a major hit. and I mean major.

    80% of drugs move from Maexico to the U.S. We love our drugs, we need them and there's not a thing anybody can do to stop it....ever.

    The Chapos stimulate economies folks. They provide resources and funding for poor countries, children, the poor.....it goes on and on.

    Like it or not he's valuable and jailing him means absolutely ZERO. All operations thrive whether he's locked up or not. Man is a corporate tycoon. Escobar had to be shot, Guzman knows why.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 9:13 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    fight against drug use makes more sense.  but spending a shitload of taxpayer money to increase the size of government and build prisons and pay for law enforcement to arrest users and low level drug dealers makes no sense unless the goal is to increase government and waste a shitload of money.

    Agreed but do ya know how much revenue our prison system generates to encarcerate drug offenders? A shitload, and way beyond what shows up on our tax bills.

    Prisons  Drugs enforcement and seizure. Jobs.  Federal income/revenue.  health care .........we can go on all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    fight against drug use makes more sense.  but spending a shitload of taxpayer money to increase the size of government and build prisons and pay for law enforcement to arrest users and low level drug dealers makes no sense unless the goal is to increase government and waste a shitload of money.

    Agreed but do ya know how much revenue our prison system generates to encarcerate drug offenders? A shitload, and way beyond what shows up on our tax bills.

    Prisons  Drugs enforcement and seizure. Jobs.  Federal income/revenue.  health care .........we can go on all day.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    fight against drug use makes more sense.  but spending a shitload of taxpayer money to increase the size of government and build prisons and pay for law enforcement to arrest users and low level drug dealers makes no sense unless the goal is to increase government and waste a shitload of money.

    It wouldn't cost that much to house these drug offenders /sellers like Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been doing with law breakers for over 20 years ..he uses an open-air jail with military tents. The same tents that our military troops used in the  Korean War and Iraq.

    If they are good enough for our fighting men/women they are good enough for prisoners who have broken our laws..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    fight against drug use makes more sense.  but spending a shitload of taxpayer money to increase the size of government and build prisons and pay for law enforcement to arrest users and low level drug dealers makes no sense unless the goal is to increase government and waste a shitload of money.

    It wouldn't cost that much to house these drug offenders /sellers like Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been doing with law breakers for over 20 years ..he uses an open-air jail with military tents. The same tents that our military troops used in the  Korean War and Iraq.

    If they are good enough for our fighting men/women they are good enough for prisoners who have broken our laws..

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 10:49 PM ET #15

    Does sports gambling tear families apart, ruin lives, wreck friendships and destroy careers? 

    Should bookies and gamblers be sent to the tents in Arizona to live under Arpaio's watch?
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    Does sports gambling tear families apart, ruin lives, wreck friendships and destroy careers? 

    Should bookies and gamblers be sent to the tents in Arizona to live under Arpaio's watch?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Does sports gambling tear families apart, ruin lives, wreck friendships and destroy careers? 

    Should bookies and gamblers be sent to the tents in Arizona to live under Arpaio's watch?

    Only if the gambler is constantly on the wrong side of the Mendoza Line.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Does sports gambling tear families apart, ruin lives, wreck friendships and destroy careers? 

    Should bookies and gamblers be sent to the tents in Arizona to live under Arpaio's watch?

    Only if the gambler is constantly on the wrong side of the Mendoza Line.........

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 10:57 PM ET #17

    The Chapos stimulate the economy - 


    God you say some dumb stuff. 

    How would we lose jobs if drugs were legalized? 

    How much does our prison system generate incarcerating drug offenders? I'll go out on a limb and set they lose money. 

    Health care? What? 

    Can we go on all day? 

    Please don't come back with a silly insult and a youtube link. Use your brain for once. 
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    The Chapos stimulate the economy - 


    God you say some dumb stuff. 

    How would we lose jobs if drugs were legalized? 

    How much does our prison system generate incarcerating drug offenders? I'll go out on a limb and set they lose money. 

    Health care? What? 

    Can we go on all day? 

    Please don't come back with a silly insult and a youtube link. Use your brain for once. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Does sports gambling tear families apart, ruin lives, wreck friendships and destroy careers? 

    Should bookies and gamblers be sent to the tents in Arizona to live under Arpaio's watch?

    Agree but It's not about human compassion in our judicial system for people that need help and are losing their lives and families, we all know that. Sadly it's about revenue. Doesn't generate that then we're on our own. Seizing degenrate assets isn't profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Does sports gambling tear families apart, ruin lives, wreck friendships and destroy careers? 

    Should bookies and gamblers be sent to the tents in Arizona to live under Arpaio's watch?

    Agree but It's not about human compassion in our judicial system for people that need help and are losing their lives and families, we all know that. Sadly it's about revenue. Doesn't generate that then we're on our own. Seizing degenrate assets isn't profitable.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 11:03 PM ET #19

    I nominate Sarasota Slim to live in the tents in Arizona for his illegal activities surrounding sports gambling. 

    We can't have people breaking the law running around all willy nilly. 

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    I nominate Sarasota Slim to live in the tents in Arizona for his illegal activities surrounding sports gambling. 

    We can't have people breaking the law running around all willy nilly. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 11:10 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I nominate Sarasota Slim to live in the tents in Arizona for his illegal activities surrounding sports gambling. 

    We can't have people breaking the law running around all willy nilly. 



    I've lived in quonset huts in + 90* weather for many months while serving in the military a tent could not be much worse..
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I nominate Sarasota Slim to live in the tents in Arizona for his illegal activities surrounding sports gambling. 

    We can't have people breaking the law running around all willy nilly. 



    I've lived in quonset huts in + 90* weather for many months while serving in the military a tent could not be much worse..
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 11:10 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Getting serious about the war on drugs looks like this ....yesterday President Barack Obama commuted the prison sentences of 46 drug offenders...that's pretty serious ...No ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Getting serious about the war on drugs looks like this ....yesterday President Barack Obama commuted the prison sentences of 46 drug offenders...that's pretty serious ...No ?


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The Chapos stimulate the economy - 


    God you say some dumb stuff. 

    How would we lose jobs if drugs were legalized? 

    How much does our prison system generate incarcerating drug offenders? I'll go out on a limb and set they lose money. 

    Health care? What? 

    Can we go on all day? 

    Please don't come back with a silly insult and a youtube link. Use your brain for once. 

    Let's begin with point #1 my naive ill informed fukin idiot subject.

    DEA, CBP, FBI ATF, US Marshal, Da's PDa's in courtrooms across the country filled with legal representation. That's only skimming the surface. Do you have the slightest clue?

    We'll discuss prison contracts and CO's next. Amazing how little you know for such a big mouth in this place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The Chapos stimulate the economy - 


    God you say some dumb stuff. 

    How would we lose jobs if drugs were legalized? 

    How much does our prison system generate incarcerating drug offenders? I'll go out on a limb and set they lose money. 

    Health care? What? 

    Can we go on all day? 

    Please don't come back with a silly insult and a youtube link. Use your brain for once. 

    Let's begin with point #1 my naive ill informed fukin idiot subject.

    DEA, CBP, FBI ATF, US Marshal, Da's PDa's in courtrooms across the country filled with legal representation. That's only skimming the surface. Do you have the slightest clue?

    We'll discuss prison contracts and CO's next. Amazing how little you know for such a big mouth in this place.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    I've lived in quonset huts in + 90* weather for many months while serving in the military a tent could not be much worse..

    Keep a journal and report back. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    I've lived in quonset huts in + 90* weather for many months while serving in the military a tent could not be much worse..

    Keep a journal and report back. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    Cash and asset seizures are #2 in govt revenue, #1 is the IRS.

    Alllll about the cash and guys like Guzman keep that cash flowing.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    Cash and asset seizures are #2 in govt revenue, #1 is the IRS.

    Alllll about the cash and guys like Guzman keep that cash flowing.

     

     

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2015 - 11:19 PM ET #25

    Detox has been through the system. Fascinating the posts. How much did you pay in lawyer fees and court fines to to make your way to rehab? Court ordered á course.

    Whadda fukin moron. did you learn anything about the process???

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    Detox has been through the system. Fascinating the posts. How much did you pay in lawyer fees and court fines to to make your way to rehab? Court ordered á course.

    Whadda fukin moron. did you learn anything about the process???

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