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    5dimes may be done?

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    jwarner1313
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2016 - 10:51 AM ET #26

    5dimes is nearing the end.  The long arm of the US government has found them and will have no mercy.   this is just the start of a long investigation into 5dimes.    I pulled my money out yesterday and will only play with bookmaker.betdsi and heritage.


    https://recode.net/2016/03/15/offshore-gambling-site-laundered-2-million-in-amazon-gift-cards-feds-say/
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    5dimes is nearing the end.  The long arm of the US government has found them and will have no mercy.   this is just the start of a long investigation into 5dimes.    I pulled my money out yesterday and will only play with bookmaker.betdsi and heritage.


    https://recode.net/2016/03/15/offshore-gambling-site-laundered-2-million-in-amazon-gift-cards-feds-say/
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2016 - 11:27 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by jwarner1313:

    5dimes is nearing the end.  The long arm of the US government has found them and will have no mercy.   this is just the start of a long investigation into 5dimes.    I pulled my money out yesterday and will only play with bookmaker.betdsi and heritage.


    https://recode.net/2016/03/15/offshore-gambling-site-laundered-2-million-in-amazon-gift-cards-feds-say/

    yep, say bye bye to 5dimes everyone, it's only a matter of time.  They are getting everything they deserve and it is great to see the light at the end of a dark tunnel that justice will soon prevail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwarner1313:

    5dimes is nearing the end.  The long arm of the US government has found them and will have no mercy.   this is just the start of a long investigation into 5dimes.    I pulled my money out yesterday and will only play with bookmaker.betdsi and heritage.


    https://recode.net/2016/03/15/offshore-gambling-site-laundered-2-million-in-amazon-gift-cards-feds-say/

    yep, say bye bye to 5dimes everyone, it's only a matter of time.  They are getting everything they deserve and it is great to see the light at the end of a dark tunnel that justice will soon prevail.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2016 - 5:02 PM ET #28

    Crow- 5 D has been good to me. They have been in business since 1996 and paid everyone. Tony can be salty. But dealing witt hthe crooks he has to deal with I'm sure can make you jaded.  So you can eat a person for wishing bad on 5D which has served so many of us well.And I am someone who has been limited by them, but I know the business.
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    Crow- 5 D has been good to me. They have been in business since 1996 and paid everyone. Tony can be salty. But dealing witt hthe crooks he has to deal with I'm sure can make you jaded.  So you can eat a person for wishing bad on 5D which has served so many of us well.And I am someone who has been limited by them, but I know the business.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2016 - 7:04 PM ET #29

    I have Never had an issue with 5D in the 5 years with them.   This is very $hitty that this has to happen now.   Someone please tell me how to set up a "VPN" from the US to play on pinnacle 
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    I have Never had an issue with 5D in the 5 years with them.   This is very $hitty that this has to happen now.   Someone please tell me how to set up a "VPN" from the US to play on pinnacle 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 1:32 AM ET #30

    https://recode.net/2016/03/15/offshore-gambling-site-laundered-2-million-in-amazon-gift-cards-feds-say/

    The operators of an offshore gambling website used Amazon gift cards to launder nearly $2 million over the past few years, a Department of Homeland Security investigator alleged in a recent application for a seizure warrant filed in the U.S. District Court in Philadelphia.

    The filing alleges that the Costa Rica-based gambling site, 5Dimes, instructed U.S. customers to use Amazon gift cards to fund their 5Dimes sports betting, in an effort to skirt the U.S. financial system. The feds say 5Dimes also paid out winnings to U.S. customers in Amazon gift cards, or in merchandise they picked out on Amazon.com.

    “[T]he investigation has determined that 5Dimes has developed an alternative to the traditional online financial payment methods, which is unavailable to 5Dimes under federal law, in order to operate its illegal betting operation in the U.S.,” the document reads. “This illegal alternative relies on the use of [Amazon gift cards], in violation of Amazon’s terms of service.”

    The Homeland Security warrant application makes the case to seize a total of $159,000 spread among 15 Amazon accounts believed to be tied to 5Dimes. Over the years, the Amazon accounts, which bear names such as GC Lover and Blue Iguana, have held nearly $1.9 million in funds combined. Amazon has shut down the GC Lover account, according to the filing.

    5Dimes does not charge a fee for bettors who fund their accounts with Amazon gift cards. The company has instructed bettors to purchase these gift cards at a traditional retail store, in cash, and email a photo of the card information along with a receipt. The gambling site also offers bettors a 10 percent bonus if they choose to receive their winnings in the form of Amazon gift cards added to their Amazon account.

    The company also used the gift cards to purchase merchandise, such as 100 office chairs and 50 custom sweatshirts silkscreened with the 5Dimes logo, the application says.

    An Amazon spokesman declined to comment. The betting site did not respond to a message sent to a company email account.

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    https://recode.net/2016/03/15/offshore-gambling-site-laundered-2-million-in-amazon-gift-cards-feds-say/

    The operators of an offshore gambling website used Amazon gift cards to launder nearly $2 million over the past few years, a Department of Homeland Security investigator alleged in a recent application for a seizure warrant filed in the U.S. District Court in Philadelphia.

    The filing alleges that the Costa Rica-based gambling site, 5Dimes, instructed U.S. customers to use Amazon gift cards to fund their 5Dimes sports betting, in an effort to skirt the U.S. financial system. The feds say 5Dimes also paid out winnings to U.S. customers in Amazon gift cards, or in merchandise they picked out on Amazon.com.

    “[T]he investigation has determined that 5Dimes has developed an alternative to the traditional online financial payment methods, which is unavailable to 5Dimes under federal law, in order to operate its illegal betting operation in the U.S.,” the document reads. “This illegal alternative relies on the use of [Amazon gift cards], in violation of Amazon’s terms of service.”

    The Homeland Security warrant application makes the case to seize a total of $159,000 spread among 15 Amazon accounts believed to be tied to 5Dimes. Over the years, the Amazon accounts, which bear names such as GC Lover and Blue Iguana, have held nearly $1.9 million in funds combined. Amazon has shut down the GC Lover account, according to the filing.

    5Dimes does not charge a fee for bettors who fund their accounts with Amazon gift cards. The company has instructed bettors to purchase these gift cards at a traditional retail store, in cash, and email a photo of the card information along with a receipt. The gambling site also offers bettors a 10 percent bonus if they choose to receive their winnings in the form of Amazon gift cards added to their Amazon account.

    The company also used the gift cards to purchase merchandise, such as 100 office chairs and 50 custom sweatshirts silkscreened with the 5Dimes logo, the application says.

    An Amazon spokesman declined to comment. The betting site did not respond to a message sent to a company email account.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 1:45 AM ET #31

    This is pretty hilarious, but is not surprising since SBR is nothing but a kiddie playground ever since they put that incompetent bitchh as a mod. She has banned or driven away damn near every competent poster that was on the site.

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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 1:49 AM ET #32

    I should have added in my above post that they (sbr) deleted the thread pertaining to this investigation, which is a slap in the face to the posters who use 5 dimes and have not heard about this investigation.
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    I should have added in my above post that they (sbr) deleted the thread pertaining to this investigation, which is a slap in the face to the posters who use 5 dimes and have not heard about this investigation.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 10:00 AM ET #33

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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 6:02 PM ET #34

    My thoughts on this....The US Government will not be able to lay a finger on 5Dimes. The most they can do is seize the Amazon accounts because Amazon is a US based company.

    Remember, 5Dimes is a Costa Rican company and the CR government will fight hand and nail to protect 5D due to the tax money they generate. 

    With all that being said, it was foolish for 5D to dabble with Amazon gift cards. They knew this day would be coming just as the days of MG and WU are numbered. Like it or not, it will all be going to a bitcoin based economy for online books and any book not prepared will be left in the dust. 

    With bitcoins, it is impossible for the government to seize anything if you properly store them with offline cold storage which is how most of the smart bitcoin books store their money. With cold storage, there is no bank account to seize. You can literally have millions of dollars stored on a single piece of paper, less than the size of a piece of gum wrapper, which can be hid anywhere in the world. That is the beauty of bitcoin. 
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    My thoughts on this....The US Government will not be able to lay a finger on 5Dimes. The most they can do is seize the Amazon accounts because Amazon is a US based company.

    Remember, 5Dimes is a Costa Rican company and the CR government will fight hand and nail to protect 5D due to the tax money they generate. 

    With all that being said, it was foolish for 5D to dabble with Amazon gift cards. They knew this day would be coming just as the days of MG and WU are numbered. Like it or not, it will all be going to a bitcoin based economy for online books and any book not prepared will be left in the dust. 

    With bitcoins, it is impossible for the government to seize anything if you properly store them with offline cold storage which is how most of the smart bitcoin books store their money. With cold storage, there is no bank account to seize. You can literally have millions of dollars stored on a single piece of paper, less than the size of a piece of gum wrapper, which can be hid anywhere in the world. That is the beauty of bitcoin. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 4:06 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by Urbanwildlife:

    I should have added in my above post that they (sbr) deleted the thread pertaining to this investigation, which is a slap in the face to the posters who use 5 dimes and have not heard about this investigation.


    I had a post on SBR deleted just a week ago requesting if SBR could address the issue. The thread generated a few responses in a few hours and then... woosh.. deleted. This is very disconcerting and it's obvious they are being very proactive in forcing a hush hush policy about this.

    I only hope some of the posters at SBR (at least the few good ones left) visit other major public forums so that they are aware of the issue. At the least, people have a right to know.

    Personally, I doubt anything will come of this though. Just like the big banks in the US were "too big to fail" during the recession, I believe the same applies to 5Dimes as they mean too much to thier local, regional and state economy (as the poster above alluded to.) Remember Pinancle was in trouble not too long ago... it's owners were even named in a federal indictment.. in the end nothing really came of it and Pinnacle reamins top dog to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urbanwildlife:

    I should have added in my above post that they (sbr) deleted the thread pertaining to this investigation, which is a slap in the face to the posters who use 5 dimes and have not heard about this investigation.


    I had a post on SBR deleted just a week ago requesting if SBR could address the issue. The thread generated a few responses in a few hours and then... woosh.. deleted. This is very disconcerting and it's obvious they are being very proactive in forcing a hush hush policy about this.

    I only hope some of the posters at SBR (at least the few good ones left) visit other major public forums so that they are aware of the issue. At the least, people have a right to know.

    Personally, I doubt anything will come of this though. Just like the big banks in the US were "too big to fail" during the recession, I believe the same applies to 5Dimes as they mean too much to thier local, regional and state economy (as the poster above alluded to.) Remember Pinancle was in trouble not too long ago... it's owners were even named in a federal indictment.. in the end nothing really came of it and Pinnacle reamins top dog to this day.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2016 - 11:39 AM ET #36

    If or when there is any substantial news about 5dimes troubles, or them not paying winners - that will be heard like the day pinnacle decided to shut out US customers.

    5Dimes is a goliath in the industry for good reason.  They just keep paying and as a customer for 12+ years I can tell you they have evolved into one of the easiest to do business with.

    I have not had a withdrawal for a couple months, but plan to in the next week or so.  They have never failed to pay me over dozens of times over many years - sometimes large sums.  

    There is plenty of competition for this space.  Everybody wants to be as big and successful as 5dimes.  So they start rumors about 5dimes all the time, but none of them ever come true.  5dimes just keep doing their thing, and paying customers.

    I would say that is the case this time as well.
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    If or when there is any substantial news about 5dimes troubles, or them not paying winners - that will be heard like the day pinnacle decided to shut out US customers.

    5Dimes is a goliath in the industry for good reason.  They just keep paying and as a customer for 12+ years I can tell you they have evolved into one of the easiest to do business with.

    I have not had a withdrawal for a couple months, but plan to in the next week or so.  They have never failed to pay me over dozens of times over many years - sometimes large sums.  

    There is plenty of competition for this space.  Everybody wants to be as big and successful as 5dimes.  So they start rumors about 5dimes all the time, but none of them ever come true.  5dimes just keep doing their thing, and paying customers.

    I would say that is the case this time as well.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2016 - 1:41 PM ET #37

    FWIW, 5Dimes is no longer paying out in Amazon gift cards; they've moved exclusively to Debit Card payouts and Bitcoin. Since I'd rather not be a part of a DHS take-down, I think I'll be opening a Bitcoin account.
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    FWIW, 5Dimes is no longer paying out in Amazon gift cards; they've moved exclusively to Debit Card payouts and Bitcoin. Since I'd rather not be a part of a DHS take-down, I think I'll be opening a Bitcoin account.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2016 - 6:38 PM ET #38

    I recently tried cashing a check from 5dimes. Bank kept it, said it was fraudulent. Anyone else have anything like this happen?
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    I recently tried cashing a check from 5dimes. Bank kept it, said it was fraudulent. Anyone else have anything like this happen?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2016 - 10:14 PM ET #39

    Their Visa processor is currently down and this the 1st time they have not processed a MoneyGram withdrawal on the same day.
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    Their Visa processor is currently down and this the 1st time they have not processed a MoneyGram withdrawal on the same day.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2016 - 6:09 PM ET #40

    I have gotten 2 checks in the past 2 weeks. They have both cleared. But the last one I tried to deposit through the ATM and it wouldn't take it for some reason. So I went in bank and deposited manually.
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    I have gotten 2 checks in the past 2 weeks. They have both cleared. But the last one I tried to deposit through the ATM and it wouldn't take it for some reason. So I went in bank and deposited manually.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2016 - 11:14 PM ET #41

    They gotta deal with shot takers day in, day out all day.  I'd be salty too.
    As long as they pretend to pay me I will pretend to work
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    They gotta deal with shot takers day in, day out all day.  I'd be salty too.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2016 - 10:32 AM ET #42

    what are all you guys spreading fear into other players for? Please tell me how this news story that 5dimes used amazon cards to launder money will shut down and 5dimes be done? All this will do is shut down that method of depositing. . . Just as if one of those made up merchant names using a dba when you use your card, that gets shut down and they get a new one. Its no where near any end for 5dimes so please stop with this sense of the end. Even with the other news story of a manager laundering money or whatever that will not affect 5dimes either. . . Theres so many jurisdiction policies that you cant just go and shut down a site from another country.
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    what are all you guys spreading fear into other players for? Please tell me how this news story that 5dimes used amazon cards to launder money will shut down and 5dimes be done? All this will do is shut down that method of depositing. . . Just as if one of those made up merchant names using a dba when you use your card, that gets shut down and they get a new one. Its no where near any end for 5dimes so please stop with this sense of the end. Even with the other news story of a manager laundering money or whatever that will not affect 5dimes either. . . Theres so many jurisdiction policies that you cant just go and shut down a site from another country.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2016 - 10:37 AM ET #43

    their visa processor being down? Click other methods and you can deposit via visa or mastercard.
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    their visa processor being down? Click other methods and you can deposit via visa or mastercard.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2016 - 11:41 AM ET #44

    Interesting development for sure...I can see a gradual crackdown on off-shore books to eliminate the competition....for the inevitable legalization of sports betting in the US within the next 3-5 years.  Its coming and they (DOJ, Casinos, Pro Leagues) will do it right.  Likely already planning for it.  If you want to bet sports, you'll have to bet at a US-based, on-shore book/casino.  These 5dimes type stories and crackdowns on off-shore will continue to pop over the next 18 months.  
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    Interesting development for sure...I can see a gradual crackdown on off-shore books to eliminate the competition....for the inevitable legalization of sports betting in the US within the next 3-5 years.  Its coming and they (DOJ, Casinos, Pro Leagues) will do it right.  Likely already planning for it.  If you want to bet sports, you'll have to bet at a US-based, on-shore book/casino.  These 5dimes type stories and crackdowns on off-shore will continue to pop over the next 18 months.  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2016 - 5:29 PM ET #45

    For what it's worth, 5D check came today. I requested Monday, was approved Tuesday, and arrived today. Was deposited in 30 seconds no questions asked. Seems fine to me


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    For what it's worth, 5D check came today. I requested Monday, was approved Tuesday, and arrived today. Was deposited in 30 seconds no questions asked. Seems fine to me


     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2016 - 9:44 PM ET #46


    I tried to deposit my check at WF the other day. Long story short..Told me check was fraudulent, if I tried to cash another my account would be closed. 

    I know a lot people who have cashed checks from 5 dimes. This was my experience. 

    What really pisses me off though is 5dimes charged me $250 to put money back into my account. "stop payment to the processor"



     
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    I tried to deposit my check at WF the other day. Long story short..Told me check was fraudulent, if I tried to cash another my account would be closed. 

    I know a lot people who have cashed checks from 5 dimes. This was my experience. 

    What really pisses me off though is 5dimes charged me $250 to put money back into my account. "stop payment to the processor"



     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 7:37 AM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by Thankz:


    I tried to deposit my check at WF the other day. Long story short..Told me check was fraudulent, if I tried to cash another my account would be closed. 

    I know a lot people who have cashed checks from 5 dimes. This was my experience. 

    What really pisses me off though is 5dimes charged me $250 to put money back into my account. "stop payment to the processor"



     

    3rd party checks are always a bit of a hassle for ANY sportsbook.  5dimes has an option to be paid with money order with express delivery to your door.  Nobody is going to refuse a money order from WU.... $9500 max
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thankz:


    I tried to deposit my check at WF the other day. Long story short..Told me check was fraudulent, if I tried to cash another my account would be closed. 

    I know a lot people who have cashed checks from 5 dimes. This was my experience. 

    What really pisses me off though is 5dimes charged me $250 to put money back into my account. "stop payment to the processor"



     

    3rd party checks are always a bit of a hassle for ANY sportsbook.  5dimes has an option to be paid with money order with express delivery to your door.  Nobody is going to refuse a money order from WU.... $9500 max
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 12:56 PM ET #48

    Who told you the check was fraudulent?? Did they actually go on the phone w the bank it was drawn off of? Or they say no by just looking at it? In asking cuz don't always go by what the teller says they're low wage workers who sometimes lie so they don't have to do the work..... Meaning if it's a foreign check say in Canadian currency it has to be processed using different tickets and takes more work trust me I worked for wells for many years. It's crazy the shit I used to hear them say. My suggestion is always deposit in the atm and if it bounces then you'll know it's either fraudulent or has a stop payment on that acct it came from.
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    Who told you the check was fraudulent?? Did they actually go on the phone w the bank it was drawn off of? Or they say no by just looking at it? In asking cuz don't always go by what the teller says they're low wage workers who sometimes lie so they don't have to do the work..... Meaning if it's a foreign check say in Canadian currency it has to be processed using different tickets and takes more work trust me I worked for wells for many years. It's crazy the shit I used to hear them say. My suggestion is always deposit in the atm and if it bounces then you'll know it's either fraudulent or has a stop payment on that acct it came from.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 4:40 PM ET #49

    Received check on Monday and cleared right away as usual, no questions asked. 
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    Received check on Monday and cleared right away as usual, no questions asked. 
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2016 - 4:45 PM ET #50

    And why are you cashing foreign checks man, deposit them!
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    And why are you cashing foreign checks man, deposit them!
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