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    5dimes may be done?

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    bigcloser
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2016 - 4:08 AM ET #51

    Bitcoin payouts are rolling along like normal...

    I tend to agree withe line of reasoning, that 5Dimes is so large and the money and benefits they provide Costa Rica will outweigh any trouble they find themselves in.

    I do think things will move quickly to bitcoin only...which will be a good change.
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    Bitcoin payouts are rolling along like normal...

    I tend to agree withe line of reasoning, that 5Dimes is so large and the money and benefits they provide Costa Rica will outweigh any trouble they find themselves in.

    I do think things will move quickly to bitcoin only...which will be a good change.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2016 - 8:00 PM ET #52

    Has anyone ever received a check that wasn't sealed with the tabs on the sides and the top of the note to open the check? Im probably just bugging because of all the news and what not but the check I received recently was just folded with a stub attached. Ive only received a few checks from them in the past so I'm not sure if this is odd. 
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    Has anyone ever received a check that wasn't sealed with the tabs on the sides and the top of the note to open the check? Im probably just bugging because of all the news and what not but the check I received recently was just folded with a stub attached. Ive only received a few checks from them in the past so I'm not sure if this is odd. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2016 - 1:36 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by CoFred:

    For what it's worth, 5D check came today. I requested Monday, was approved Tuesday, and arrived today. Was deposited in 30 seconds no questions asked. Seems fine to me


    I requested a payout to my bank account last Tuesday...5dimes took more than a day to get the funds out of my account and it STILL has not hit my bank account after 5 business days.  I have been a long time customer and I have never had a payout go smoothly.  I am not making another deposit with these guys.  Their fees are ridiculous and I am sick of trying to climb mountains just to get the money I have won out of my 5D account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoFred:

    For what it's worth, 5D check came today. I requested Monday, was approved Tuesday, and arrived today. Was deposited in 30 seconds no questions asked. Seems fine to me


    I requested a payout to my bank account last Tuesday...5dimes took more than a day to get the funds out of my account and it STILL has not hit my bank account after 5 business days.  I have been a long time customer and I have never had a payout go smoothly.  I am not making another deposit with these guys.  Their fees are ridiculous and I am sick of trying to climb mountains just to get the money I have won out of my 5D account.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2016 - 11:24 PM ET #54

    Just a heads up guys I'm in the same situation as Thankz.. long story short bank came back and would not deposit telling me flat out it was gambling related...  I'm beyond sick of this garbage..  We've done absolutely NOTHING WRONG... I believe we are in for a very very rough ride.. We've let those who work for us gain way too much control of our lives.... There's much more to the story but really don't want to throw it all out here since this so called free society is monitoring every letter we type and word we speak... 
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    Just a heads up guys I'm in the same situation as Thankz.. long story short bank came back and would not deposit telling me flat out it was gambling related...  I'm beyond sick of this garbage..  We've done absolutely NOTHING WRONG... I believe we are in for a very very rough ride.. We've let those who work for us gain way too much control of our lives.... There's much more to the story but really don't want to throw it all out here since this so called free society is monitoring every letter we type and word we speak... 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2016 - 10:23 AM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by stevopa:

    I requested a payout to my bank account last Tuesday...5dimes took more than a day to get the funds out of my account and it STILL has not hit my bank account after 5 business days.  I have been a long time customer and I have never had a payout go smoothly.  I am not making another deposit with these guys.  Their fees are ridiculous and I am sick of trying to climb mountains just to get the money I have won out of my 5D account.

    I did the same. Easter screwed up the days but mine hit my bank account today. Cheers guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevopa:

    I requested a payout to my bank account last Tuesday...5dimes took more than a day to get the funds out of my account and it STILL has not hit my bank account after 5 business days.  I have been a long time customer and I have never had a payout go smoothly.  I am not making another deposit with these guys.  Their fees are ridiculous and I am sick of trying to climb mountains just to get the money I have won out of my 5D account.

    I did the same. Easter screwed up the days but mine hit my bank account today. Cheers guy
     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2016 - 11:31 AM ET #56

    5dimes and Bookmaker are big dollar signs for SBR. They give SBR a lot money. In return, SBR gives them great ratings to attract more clients for these sports books. So when you post something, true or not, that hurts these sports books at all, SBR will delete it. That is why you will find bad things on some sports books but not the big players. SBR covers up for books like Cris affiliates and in return get money.
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    5dimes and Bookmaker are big dollar signs for SBR. They give SBR a lot money. In return, SBR gives them great ratings to attract more clients for these sports books. So when you post something, true or not, that hurts these sports books at all, SBR will delete it. That is why you will find bad things on some sports books but not the big players. SBR covers up for books like Cris affiliates and in return get money.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2016 - 12:49 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by Betson22:

    5dimes and Bookmaker are big dollar signs for SBR. They give SBR a lot money. In return, SBR gives them great ratings to attract more clients for these sports books. So when you post something, true or not, that hurts these sports books at all, SBR will delete it. That is why you will find bad things on some sports books but not the big players. SBR covers up for books like Cris affiliates and in return get money.

    That makes sense...

    But, 5Dimes is in Costa Rica, and is legal there...so the US can do nothing to them, except try and slow down various payment options (like these Amazon cards)...and we all know that 5Dimes is paying loads of money to the Costa Rican gov and probably paying many high ranking officials for protection...that is just the way it is. So I don't really see what could come of this situation...5D will continue to operate and continue to evolve when necessary.

    Just my .02 though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betson22:

    5dimes and Bookmaker are big dollar signs for SBR. They give SBR a lot money. In return, SBR gives them great ratings to attract more clients for these sports books. So when you post something, true or not, that hurts these sports books at all, SBR will delete it. That is why you will find bad things on some sports books but not the big players. SBR covers up for books like Cris affiliates and in return get money.

    That makes sense...

    But, 5Dimes is in Costa Rica, and is legal there...so the US can do nothing to them, except try and slow down various payment options (like these Amazon cards)...and we all know that 5Dimes is paying loads of money to the Costa Rican gov and probably paying many high ranking officials for protection...that is just the way it is. So I don't really see what could come of this situation...5D will continue to operate and continue to evolve when necessary.

    Just my .02 though.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2016 - 3:44 AM ET #58

    5k bitcoin payout confirmed in under 48 hours

    Although SBR did delete threads, they finally posted one main thread with articles. They should not have deleted threads for weeks like they did, but at least stepped up now after gathering facts

    The US investigation is over right now and all they did was take out some amazon cards. If they had more, they would not have released it until it was over. Not like they can seize their domain or assets. 5D safe from that standpoint

    CR investigation only concern now, and I'd bet they get through it soon enough and everything quiets down for good


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    5k bitcoin payout confirmed in under 48 hours

    Although SBR did delete threads, they finally posted one main thread with articles. They should not have deleted threads for weeks like they did, but at least stepped up now after gathering facts

    The US investigation is over right now and all they did was take out some amazon cards. If they had more, they would not have released it until it was over. Not like they can seize their domain or assets. 5D safe from that standpoint

    CR investigation only concern now, and I'd bet they get through it soon enough and everything quiets down for good


     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2016 - 11:07 AM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcloser:


    That makes sense...

    But, 5Dimes is in Costa Rica, and is legal there...so the US can do nothing to them, except try and slow down various payment options (like these Amazon cards)...and we all know that 5Dimes is paying loads of money to the Costa Rican gov and probably paying many high ranking officials for protection...that is just the way it is. So I don't really see what could come of this situation...5D will continue to operate and continue to evolve when necessary.

    Just my .02 though.


    Ding ding ding ding.

    Such a difference between this and Bet Islands.  You're letting the SBR element cloud your judgement.  5 Dimes is financially healthy, Bet Islands was giving bonuses out if you had blonde hair.  Anyone seeing all the money BI was handing out... that's the smoke and fire scenario there.  The above is the voice of reason.  And for you people having trouble with P2P and checks, please stop acting like this is something new, it's always been a challenge.

    And to the gentlemen above who has been a long time 5Dimes loyal customer who has had trouble every time he's cashed out....that's your decision to stay and be "beaten" on. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcloser:


    That makes sense...

    But, 5Dimes is in Costa Rica, and is legal there...so the US can do nothing to them, except try and slow down various payment options (like these Amazon cards)...and we all know that 5Dimes is paying loads of money to the Costa Rican gov and probably paying many high ranking officials for protection...that is just the way it is. So I don't really see what could come of this situation...5D will continue to operate and continue to evolve when necessary.

    Just my .02 though.


    Ding ding ding ding.

    Such a difference between this and Bet Islands.  You're letting the SBR element cloud your judgement.  5 Dimes is financially healthy, Bet Islands was giving bonuses out if you had blonde hair.  Anyone seeing all the money BI was handing out... that's the smoke and fire scenario there.  The above is the voice of reason.  And for you people having trouble with P2P and checks, please stop acting like this is something new, it's always been a challenge.

    And to the gentlemen above who has been a long time 5Dimes loyal customer who has had trouble every time he's cashed out....that's your decision to stay and be "beaten" on. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2016 - 4:16 AM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by microphone:



    Ding ding ding ding.

    Such a difference between this and Bet Islands.  You're letting the SBR element cloud your judgement.  5 Dimes is financially healthy, Bet Islands was giving bonuses out if you had blonde hair.  Anyone seeing all the money BI was handing out... that's the smoke and fire scenario there.  The above is the voice of reason.  And for you people having trouble with P2P and checks, please stop acting like this is something new, it's always been a challenge.

    And to the gentlemen above who has been a long time 5Dimes loyal customer who has had trouble every time he's cashed out....that's your decision to stay and be "beaten" on. 


    Exactly. 5Dimes is extremely large, and is a big part of the Costa Rican economy. They will weather this squabble and continue to do business as usual. 

    If you are struggling with depositing or withdrawing...figure out how Bitcoin works. Very smooth process, and it will be the future.
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    Ding ding ding ding.

    Such a difference between this and Bet Islands.  You're letting the SBR element cloud your judgement.  5 Dimes is financially healthy, Bet Islands was giving bonuses out if you had blonde hair.  Anyone seeing all the money BI was handing out... that's the smoke and fire scenario there.  The above is the voice of reason.  And for you people having trouble with P2P and checks, please stop acting like this is something new, it's always been a challenge.

    And to the gentlemen above who has been a long time 5Dimes loyal customer who has had trouble every time he's cashed out....that's your decision to stay and be "beaten" on. 


    Exactly. 5Dimes is extremely large, and is a big part of the Costa Rican economy. They will weather this squabble and continue to do business as usual. 

    If you are struggling with depositing or withdrawing...figure out how Bitcoin works. Very smooth process, and it will be the future.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2016 - 3:16 PM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by radical17:

    Hey All just wanted to add to this thread..I have been patiently waiting already 14th day for a Debit Refund deposit to my bank account from 5Dimes for their max 2400 usd and have yet to receive anything. This method used to be 3-5 days max. I been with 5dimes for over 5 years and never had an issue until now coincidentally after the investigation with the Amazon cards. To say i'm concerned is an understatement. I will update everyone of the outcome. Wish me luck 



    You will be ok, just taking longer than it should, your money is safe.  Putting anything back on a CC is always dicey now.  You really should go the bitcoin route now. 

    GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by radical17:

    Hey All just wanted to add to this thread..I have been patiently waiting already 14th day for a Debit Refund deposit to my bank account from 5Dimes for their max 2400 usd and have yet to receive anything. This method used to be 3-5 days max. I been with 5dimes for over 5 years and never had an issue until now coincidentally after the investigation with the Amazon cards. To say i'm concerned is an understatement. I will update everyone of the outcome. Wish me luck 



    You will be ok, just taking longer than it should, your money is safe.  Putting anything back on a CC is always dicey now.  You really should go the bitcoin route now. 

    GL

     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2016 - 4:54 PM ET #62

    I'm going on 12th business day without payment. I'm very concerned because I'm not getting any resolution to this. Not sure how to handle this moving forward
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    I'm going on 12th business day without payment. I'm very concerned because I'm not getting any resolution to this. Not sure how to handle this moving forward
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboy2016:

    I'm going on 12th business day without payment. I'm very concerned because I'm not getting any resolution to this. Not sure how to handle this moving forward

    Call CS and very nicely ask what the hold up is.  

    Nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboy2016:

    I'm going on 12th business day without payment. I'm very concerned because I'm not getting any resolution to this. Not sure how to handle this moving forward

    Call CS and very nicely ask what the hold up is.  

    Nicely.

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2016 - 8:02 PM ET #64

    don't trust any Covers Linesmen.  If they want to help you, they can give you permission to direct message them your info in order to help you out with your individual case.  

    14th day?  12th business day?  sorry but that is totally unacceptable.  

    I'm a very nice guy over the phone because i have always worked in the customer service industry and i understand how far that can really get you but as for 5dimes goes, don't expect anything out of them.  

    If you get lucky enough to get the money then great but make sure you don't do it again.  I give you permission to direct message me anytime and i can teach you about bitcoin.  

    So that goes for anyone, if you want to hear my tone about 5dimes, i can explain everything to you if you are serious, i have no problems about giving you my personal info if you want to learn about bitcoin too.  I've been around a very long time with online gambling so if anyone really needs serious help, again i can give you my personal info privately.
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    don't trust any Covers Linesmen.  If they want to help you, they can give you permission to direct message them your info in order to help you out with your individual case.  

    14th day?  12th business day?  sorry but that is totally unacceptable.  

    I'm a very nice guy over the phone because i have always worked in the customer service industry and i understand how far that can really get you but as for 5dimes goes, don't expect anything out of them.  

    If you get lucky enough to get the money then great but make sure you don't do it again.  I give you permission to direct message me anytime and i can teach you about bitcoin.  

    So that goes for anyone, if you want to hear my tone about 5dimes, i can explain everything to you if you are serious, i have no problems about giving you my personal info if you want to learn about bitcoin too.  I've been around a very long time with online gambling so if anyone really needs serious help, again i can give you my personal info privately.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2016 - 10:25 AM ET #65

    good stuff the crow

    but if they can't figure out bitcoin with the info some of these people posted they can't be helped anyways
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    good stuff the crow

    but if they can't figure out bitcoin with the info some of these people posted they can't be helped anyways
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2016 - 1:33 PM ET #66

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrow:

    don't trust any Covers Linesmen.  If they want to help you, they can give you permission to direct message them your info in order to help you out with your individual case.  

    14th day?  12th business day?  sorry but that is totally unacceptable.  

    I'm a very nice guy over the phone because i have always worked in the customer service industry and i understand how far that can really get you but as for 5dimes goes, don't expect anything out of them.  

    If you get lucky enough to get the money then great but make sure you don't do it again.  I give you permission to direct message me anytime and i can teach you about bitcoin.  

    So that goes for anyone, if you want to hear my tone about 5dimes, i can explain everything to you if you are serious, i have no problems about giving you my personal info if you want to learn about bitcoin too.  I've been around a very long time with online gambling so if anyone really needs serious help, again i can give you my personal info privately.

    Don't trust any covers linesman, who the hell are you ? BTW you don't need permission to message a linesman.  You can message any of us without being friends. 

    Bottom line Tony calls the shots at 5Dimes, you will get your money but it's just the damn shell game they have to play now.  As I said before maybe in this thread and in another thread.  Bitcoin is the way to do.  Not traceable. 

    So Crow if you have a problem with me you know how to get me.  Because everyone on this board knows I just can't be trusted.

    Right ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrow:

    don't trust any Covers Linesmen.  If they want to help you, they can give you permission to direct message them your info in order to help you out with your individual case.  

    14th day?  12th business day?  sorry but that is totally unacceptable.  

    I'm a very nice guy over the phone because i have always worked in the customer service industry and i understand how far that can really get you but as for 5dimes goes, don't expect anything out of them.  

    If you get lucky enough to get the money then great but make sure you don't do it again.  I give you permission to direct message me anytime and i can teach you about bitcoin.  

    So that goes for anyone, if you want to hear my tone about 5dimes, i can explain everything to you if you are serious, i have no problems about giving you my personal info if you want to learn about bitcoin too.  I've been around a very long time with online gambling so if anyone really needs serious help, again i can give you my personal info privately.

    Don't trust any covers linesman, who the hell are you ? BTW you don't need permission to message a linesman.  You can message any of us without being friends. 

    Bottom line Tony calls the shots at 5Dimes, you will get your money but it's just the damn shell game they have to play now.  As I said before maybe in this thread and in another thread.  Bitcoin is the way to do.  Not traceable. 

    So Crow if you have a problem with me you know how to get me.  Because everyone on this board knows I just can't be trusted.

    Right ?


     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2016 - 8:38 PM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by radical17:

    Hi All, I am happy to say I did receive my payout on Friday May 6th. 

    I will definitely try out bitcoin going forward.  

    As I knew you would, get that bitcoin account opened like today.

    https://www.coinbase.com/



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    Quote Originally Posted by radical17:

    Hi All, I am happy to say I did receive my payout on Friday May 6th. 

    I will definitely try out bitcoin going forward.  

    As I knew you would, get that bitcoin account opened like today.

    https://www.coinbase.com/



     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2016 - 2:34 AM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:


    As I knew you would, get that bitcoin account opened like today.

    https://www.coinbase.com/




    isn't coinbase only in certain states?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:


    As I knew you would, get that bitcoin account opened like today.

    https://www.coinbase.com/




    isn't coinbase only in certain states?
     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2016 - 3:44 PM ET #69

    Quote Originally Posted by binka34:


    isn't coinbase only in certain states?

    Yes that is correct, it's in 46 of the 50 states. Wyoming, Hawaii, Minnesota and Connecticut are not allowed. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by binka34:


    isn't coinbase only in certain states?

    Yes that is correct, it's in 46 of the 50 states. Wyoming, Hawaii, Minnesota and Connecticut are not allowed. 
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2016 - 3:22 PM ET #70

    will try bitcoin for sure next go around. Waiting on a DCFA from 5dimes right now. Put it in on May 3rd and they are experiencing a delay from what I was told by the online chat today. 
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    will try bitcoin for sure next go around. Waiting on a DCFA from 5dimes right now. Put it in on May 3rd and they are experiencing a delay from what I was told by the online chat today. 
     
     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2016 - 5:12 PM ET #71

    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:


    Don't trust any covers linesman, who the hell are you ? BTW you don't need permission to message a linesman.  You can message any of us without being friends. 

    Bottom line Tony calls the shots at 5Dimes, you will get your money but it's just the damn shell game they have to play now.  As I said before maybe in this thread and in another thread.  Bitcoin is the way to do.  Not traceable. 

    So Crow if you have a problem with me you know how to get me.  Because everyone on this board knows I just can't be trusted.

    Right ?



    yes never trust a covers linesmen.  It's not that hard to figure out, i mean you have to think of anyone affiliated with a gambling forum like this is like the employee who works at best buy and tells you that anything with the sony brand is good.  We have all been in the store where the people who work in certain outlets can make better commission selling on certain brands, etc.

    now if Lippsman was a known guy who can hear your case and then vouch for you by calling 5dimes, that would be a different story but i have been on here long enough that i have never seen anything like this on the forum.  To not trust any covers linesmen on here is business, it's nothing personal.  By the way there are other places that can vouch for you by hearing your case and then talking directly to the sportsbook to see what happened, unfortunately 5dimes does not participate because they are ruled by tony "the dictator"

    if anyone ever gets a chance to become personal friends with a covers linesmen, that is a different story also because by then there are no business barriers between both parties.  So what if a 5dimes affiliate of some sort wanted to advertise on covers?  If this is going on and you listen to a covers linesmen on what to do with 5dimes that would be like you buying the sony brand at best buy without going home, doing your research and asking the 3rd parties.

    The other thing Lippsman is that you said that bitcoin wasn't traceable.  Why did i get banned from circle for gambling related transactions last year?  And keep in mind i specifically asked why i was banned over the phone to the rep over the phone on circle, and when i was told why i replied "that's what i wanted to hear."  

    "Bitcoin is not traceable."  This is VERY wrong and anyone who gets into bitcoin needs to make sure they do a lot of research and learn on the fly by dealing with small amounts.  Luckily i was able to open a coinbase account and learn my lesson but i still miss circle so if you talk to anyone who knows about bitcoin they will tell you that circle is better than coinbase, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:


    Don't trust any covers linesman, who the hell are you ? BTW you don't need permission to message a linesman.  You can message any of us without being friends. 

    Bottom line Tony calls the shots at 5Dimes, you will get your money but it's just the damn shell game they have to play now.  As I said before maybe in this thread and in another thread.  Bitcoin is the way to do.  Not traceable. 

    So Crow if you have a problem with me you know how to get me.  Because everyone on this board knows I just can't be trusted.

    Right ?



    yes never trust a covers linesmen.  It's not that hard to figure out, i mean you have to think of anyone affiliated with a gambling forum like this is like the employee who works at best buy and tells you that anything with the sony brand is good.  We have all been in the store where the people who work in certain outlets can make better commission selling on certain brands, etc.

    now if Lippsman was a known guy who can hear your case and then vouch for you by calling 5dimes, that would be a different story but i have been on here long enough that i have never seen anything like this on the forum.  To not trust any covers linesmen on here is business, it's nothing personal.  By the way there are other places that can vouch for you by hearing your case and then talking directly to the sportsbook to see what happened, unfortunately 5dimes does not participate because they are ruled by tony "the dictator"

    if anyone ever gets a chance to become personal friends with a covers linesmen, that is a different story also because by then there are no business barriers between both parties.  So what if a 5dimes affiliate of some sort wanted to advertise on covers?  If this is going on and you listen to a covers linesmen on what to do with 5dimes that would be like you buying the sony brand at best buy without going home, doing your research and asking the 3rd parties.

    The other thing Lippsman is that you said that bitcoin wasn't traceable.  Why did i get banned from circle for gambling related transactions last year?  And keep in mind i specifically asked why i was banned over the phone to the rep over the phone on circle, and when i was told why i replied "that's what i wanted to hear."  

    "Bitcoin is not traceable."  This is VERY wrong and anyone who gets into bitcoin needs to make sure they do a lot of research and learn on the fly by dealing with small amounts.  Luckily i was able to open a coinbase account and learn my lesson but i still miss circle so if you talk to anyone who knows about bitcoin they will tell you that circle is better than coinbase, sorry.
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