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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2009 - 1:21 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Was talking about working out last night with one of my fitness freak buddies.  All he does is three sets of pullups and pushups daily.  10% body fat and strong.
     


    It worked for Herschel Walker

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Was talking about working out last night with one of my fitness freak buddies.  All he does is three sets of pullups and pushups daily.  10% body fat and strong.
     


    It worked for Herschel Walker

     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2009 - 1:44 AM ET #27

    Getting "big" starts in the kitchen not in the gym. BTW, don't plan on getting big without gaining some fat. It ain't gonna happen.
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    Getting "big" starts in the kitchen not in the gym. BTW, don't plan on getting big without gaining some fat. It ain't gonna happen.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2009 - 4:14 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusCrnshw:


     Most of my sets start like this..10-10-8-7 or something like that...except for chest..where I do 10-8-6-3 or so...at least on flat
     
    i know addding more weight and decreasing reps are possible, but doesnt that just add strength as opposed to muscle mass?

    I think this might explain it. Less reps and add more weight. I had a similar problem but just watched what the bigger guys in the gym were doing.

    usually 3 sets, 6-8 reps. and just about killing themselves by the last couple reps in the last set.

    quick google search just corroborated what I just typed:

    Muscle enlargement, or hypertrophy, depends on working the muscle to maximum or near-maximum contraction. It's the intensity of contraction that stimulates hypertrophy more than the number of times it is contracted. Only a few maximal or near-maximal contractions a day are necessary for muscle growth. Many an overzealous body builder finds that his muscles are getting smaller instead of larger because he's doing too many contractions or doing them too often.

    Make the muscle work hard and intensely and then let it rest. By rest I don't mean just the immediate rest you give the muscle between contractions but also the rest from one workout to the next. The classic rule is to rest a muscle for 48 hours between workouts. Some bodybuilders work out every day, but they don't work the same muscle group every day. It is during the resting period that new protein is synthesized, actomyosin grows, and the muscle gets larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrusCrnshw:


     Most of my sets start like this..10-10-8-7 or something like that...except for chest..where I do 10-8-6-3 or so...at least on flat
     
    i know addding more weight and decreasing reps are possible, but doesnt that just add strength as opposed to muscle mass?

    I think this might explain it. Less reps and add more weight. I had a similar problem but just watched what the bigger guys in the gym were doing.

    usually 3 sets, 6-8 reps. and just about killing themselves by the last couple reps in the last set.

    quick google search just corroborated what I just typed:

    Muscle enlargement, or hypertrophy, depends on working the muscle to maximum or near-maximum contraction. It's the intensity of contraction that stimulates hypertrophy more than the number of times it is contracted. Only a few maximal or near-maximal contractions a day are necessary for muscle growth. Many an overzealous body builder finds that his muscles are getting smaller instead of larger because he's doing too many contractions or doing them too often.

    Make the muscle work hard and intensely and then let it rest. By rest I don't mean just the immediate rest you give the muscle between contractions but also the rest from one workout to the next. The classic rule is to rest a muscle for 48 hours between workouts. Some bodybuilders work out every day, but they don't work the same muscle group every day. It is during the resting period that new protein is synthesized, actomyosin grows, and the muscle gets larger.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2009 - 5:10 PM ET #29

    Guys thanks again for the comments...
     
    few Q's
     
    what is H-drol etc?
     
    If I decide to do 6-8 reps, should I still increase weight? I see this as potentially hard, as if I can do 8 reps of say 175 on flat, eventually by the 4th set, if I push it to 190 or so, I cant get 6...how would you handle the weight increments going forward??
     
    I used to work each muscle twice a week, but its harder right now (time constrants)
     
    Also, I am not looking to get HUGE or anything, just a little bigger. Nothing drastic. Nice lean, with some muscle look is all i am looking for.
     
    Lastly, dont you think genetics plays a large role in all of this??
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    Guys thanks again for the comments...
     
    few Q's
     
    what is H-drol etc?
     
    If I decide to do 6-8 reps, should I still increase weight? I see this as potentially hard, as if I can do 8 reps of say 175 on flat, eventually by the 4th set, if I push it to 190 or so, I cant get 6...how would you handle the weight increments going forward??
     
    I used to work each muscle twice a week, but its harder right now (time constrants)
     
    Also, I am not looking to get HUGE or anything, just a little bigger. Nothing drastic. Nice lean, with some muscle look is all i am looking for.
     
    Lastly, dont you think genetics plays a large role in all of this??
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2009 - 6:06 PM ET #30

    Use a rep calculator to estimate what you should do:

    link

    In other words, if you can do 175 x 8, your max is 217, and 190 x 5 would be comparable. If you're used to high reps (10+) often the "max" is higher than what you could actually do simply because you lack the muscle fiber to lift that.

    I've been on a cutting routine doing 12 reps for 3 sets with little rest between sets, but I'm now starting to transition into 10 then 8, etc. reps as I'm nearing the end of my cut and will soon try to add muscle (I like 5x5 reps for muscle growth).

    Genetics do play a role - certainly in the limits of how much muscle you can add, and also the pace at which you can add muscle. Prohormones like h-drol (when done properly) can help. Personally, I hate when people blame everything on genetics. In a little over a year I went from about 285 lbs 38% body fat to 185 lbs 13% body fat simply by eating right (80% of the puzzle) and exercising. Once I hit 8% body fat, I plan to add about 15 lbs of muscle (I'm guessing this'll take 6 months).


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    Use a rep calculator to estimate what you should do:

    link

    In other words, if you can do 175 x 8, your max is 217, and 190 x 5 would be comparable. If you're used to high reps (10+) often the "max" is higher than what you could actually do simply because you lack the muscle fiber to lift that.

    I've been on a cutting routine doing 12 reps for 3 sets with little rest between sets, but I'm now starting to transition into 10 then 8, etc. reps as I'm nearing the end of my cut and will soon try to add muscle (I like 5x5 reps for muscle growth).

    Genetics do play a role - certainly in the limits of how much muscle you can add, and also the pace at which you can add muscle. Prohormones like h-drol (when done properly) can help. Personally, I hate when people blame everything on genetics. In a little over a year I went from about 285 lbs 38% body fat to 185 lbs 13% body fat simply by eating right (80% of the puzzle) and exercising. Once I hit 8% body fat, I plan to add about 15 lbs of muscle (I'm guessing this'll take 6 months).


     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2009 - 8:40 PM ET #31

    Try Hemoplex.  LOVE that shit.  Pro-hormone.
     
     
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    Try Hemoplex.  LOVE that shit.  Pro-hormone.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2009 - 8:49 PM ET #32

    long, degen
     
    good stuff. Nice link on the calculator...My 1 rep max is probably about 225 right now..Ive been as high as 235...
     
    Still not sure what you mean by pro hormone...is this legal? What are the side effects? It is similar to roids? If so, I really dont want to go that route. I hear the would "cycle" and I cringe haha.
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    long, degen
     
    good stuff. Nice link on the calculator...My 1 rep max is probably about 225 right now..Ive been as high as 235...
     
    Still not sure what you mean by pro hormone...is this legal? What are the side effects? It is similar to roids? If so, I really dont want to go that route. I hear the would "cycle" and I cringe haha.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2009 - 9:45 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusCrnshw:

    long, degen
     
    good stuff. Nice link on the calculator...My 1 rep max is probably about 225 right now..Ive been as high as 235...
     
    Still not sure what you mean by pro hormone...is this legal? What are the side effects? It is similar to roids? If so, I really dont want to go that route. I hear the would "cycle" and I cringe haha.


    Prohormones = legal steriods

    Obviously there are risks, but they're minimal if you take supplements to counter negative effects while on them and afterwards (known as post cycle therapy aka PCT). Even though they're "weak" steroids, I wouldn't fuck with the stuff until I'm sure I've stopped growing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrusCrnshw:

    long, degen
     
    good stuff. Nice link on the calculator...My 1 rep max is probably about 225 right now..Ive been as high as 235...
     
    Still not sure what you mean by pro hormone...is this legal? What are the side effects? It is similar to roids? If so, I really dont want to go that route. I hear the would "cycle" and I cringe haha.


    Prohormones = legal steriods

    Obviously there are risks, but they're minimal if you take supplements to counter negative effects while on them and afterwards (known as post cycle therapy aka PCT). Even though they're "weak" steroids, I wouldn't fuck with the stuff until I'm sure I've stopped growing.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2009 - 10:33 PM ET #34

    Long, im 28 so my growing has basically ceased.
     
    What are the side effects and what is PCT?
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    Long, im 28 so my growing has basically ceased.
     
    What are the side effects and what is PCT?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2009 - 11:01 AM ET #35

    That dude clearly knows more than me on this and I'm new to it, but a pro-hormone is from what I understand the top legal level before steroids.  The GNCs around here don't even carry these things, I go to a local, privately owned supplement store and this dude has shit you've never seen.  Hemoplex says you take it for a month, and you can't take another round aka cycle for 3 months. This is evidence that it is some of the stronger stuff out there that CAN have side effects if multiple cycles are taken. 
     
    A PCT is taken after a round of the prohormone and basically just provides stuff that prevents any unnecessary liver/kidney damage.  I don't want this to scare you off - if basically just allows the prohormones to provide all of the good stuff and cause no damage.  I've taken several prohormones, and as long as you are taking a suggested PCT, or stack of multiple suggested items, you'll be 100% fine.  I've never felt a single side effect of Hemoplex or 1-AD.
     
    And I am 27 so were close.  I went this route because I also feel like I stopped growing and hit a wall.  However, I've been seriously lifting TWICE A DAY for years.  I STRONGLY encourage you to hit the creatine, NOXplode type products for several years.  I would give it 2-3 years before prohormones.  I am confident that hard work and sweat are going to get you farther than any prohormone at this point without any possibility of irreversible harm.  Getting big is done in the gym not by taking pills.  Reevaluate your situation when youre 30.
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    That dude clearly knows more than me on this and I'm new to it, but a pro-hormone is from what I understand the top legal level before steroids.  The GNCs around here don't even carry these things, I go to a local, privately owned supplement store and this dude has shit you've never seen.  Hemoplex says you take it for a month, and you can't take another round aka cycle for 3 months. This is evidence that it is some of the stronger stuff out there that CAN have side effects if multiple cycles are taken. 
     
    A PCT is taken after a round of the prohormone and basically just provides stuff that prevents any unnecessary liver/kidney damage.  I don't want this to scare you off - if basically just allows the prohormones to provide all of the good stuff and cause no damage.  I've taken several prohormones, and as long as you are taking a suggested PCT, or stack of multiple suggested items, you'll be 100% fine.  I've never felt a single side effect of Hemoplex or 1-AD.
     
    And I am 27 so were close.  I went this route because I also feel like I stopped growing and hit a wall.  However, I've been seriously lifting TWICE A DAY for years.  I STRONGLY encourage you to hit the creatine, NOXplode type products for several years.  I would give it 2-3 years before prohormones.  I am confident that hard work and sweat are going to get you farther than any prohormone at this point without any possibility of irreversible harm.  Getting big is done in the gym not by taking pills.  Reevaluate your situation when youre 30.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2009 - 11:04 AM ET #36

    Oh and I'll never go back to that store for a purchase, I just like to shoot the shit with the owner.
     
    Bodybuilding.com is the shit.  They have everything you want, cheap as fuck (never seen cheaper really), and that will be on your doorstep within 2 days.  Hell they even throw in some free gear like towels and shit occasionaly.
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    Oh and I'll never go back to that store for a purchase, I just like to shoot the shit with the owner.
     
    Bodybuilding.com is the shit.  They have everything you want, cheap as fuck (never seen cheaper really), and that will be on your doorstep within 2 days.  Hell they even throw in some free gear like towels and shit occasionaly.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2009 - 12:50 PM ET #37

    Try no explode or any labrada supplement.It packs on muscle without retaining sodium and giving you that bloated look.Try alternating your workouts to where you do 5 reps per set with heavier weight,then the next time you train that muscle group.....go lighter with 10 reps.The more reps,the leaner and longer your muscle looks.The more weight you use,the fuller your muscle looks.You have to "shock" the muscle in order for it to grow,so make sure you do different sets and weight amounts each workout.When you bench,try doing negatives or pauses every 4th bench/chest day.When you pause a weight,bring it down to touch your chest,then count to 5,then press it up.I'll bet after 4 sets and 8 to 10 reps of doing this,you will really feel it.GL......even getting in the gym is better than looking like a pencil armed dork.
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    Try no explode or any labrada supplement.It packs on muscle without retaining sodium and giving you that bloated look.Try alternating your workouts to where you do 5 reps per set with heavier weight,then the next time you train that muscle group.....go lighter with 10 reps.The more reps,the leaner and longer your muscle looks.The more weight you use,the fuller your muscle looks.You have to "shock" the muscle in order for it to grow,so make sure you do different sets and weight amounts each workout.When you bench,try doing negatives or pauses every 4th bench/chest day.When you pause a weight,bring it down to touch your chest,then count to 5,then press it up.I'll bet after 4 sets and 8 to 10 reps of doing this,you will really feel it.GL......even getting in the gym is better than looking like a pencil armed dork.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2009 - 1:01 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by platypus:


    I think this might explain it. Less reps and add more weight. I had a similar problem but just watched what the bigger guys in the gym were doing.

    usually 3 sets, 6-8 reps. and just about killing themselves by the last couple reps in the last set.

    quick google search just corroborated what I just typed:

    Muscle enlargement, or hypertrophy, depends on working the muscle to maximum or near-maximum contraction. It's the intensity of contraction that stimulates hypertrophy more than the number of times it is contracted. Only a few maximal or near-maximal contractions a day are necessary for muscle growth. Many an overzealous body builder finds that his muscles are getting smaller instead of larger because he's doing too many contractions or doing them too often.

    Make the muscle work hard and intensely and then let it rest. By rest I don't mean just the immediate rest you give the muscle between contractions but also the rest from one workout to the next. The classic rule is to rest a muscle for 48 hours between workouts. Some bodybuilders work out every day, but they don't work the same muscle group every day. It is during the resting period that new protein is synthesized, actomyosin grows, and the muscle gets larger.

    Platypus laying down some fitness science

    University degrees in motion

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by platypus:


    I think this might explain it. Less reps and add more weight. I had a similar problem but just watched what the bigger guys in the gym were doing.

    usually 3 sets, 6-8 reps. and just about killing themselves by the last couple reps in the last set.

    quick google search just corroborated what I just typed:

    Muscle enlargement, or hypertrophy, depends on working the muscle to maximum or near-maximum contraction. It's the intensity of contraction that stimulates hypertrophy more than the number of times it is contracted. Only a few maximal or near-maximal contractions a day are necessary for muscle growth. Many an overzealous body builder finds that his muscles are getting smaller instead of larger because he's doing too many contractions or doing them too often.

    Make the muscle work hard and intensely and then let it rest. By rest I don't mean just the immediate rest you give the muscle between contractions but also the rest from one workout to the next. The classic rule is to rest a muscle for 48 hours between workouts. Some bodybuilders work out every day, but they don't work the same muscle group every day. It is during the resting period that new protein is synthesized, actomyosin grows, and the muscle gets larger.

    Platypus laying down some fitness science

    University degrees in motion

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2009 - 1:54 PM ET #39

    Are you wanting to gain size, strength, or both?
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    Are you wanting to gain size, strength, or both?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2009 - 9:51 PM ET #40

    again thanks guys...
     
    quick note
     
    decided on chest day today to do heavier weights with less reps...did things like 8-6-4 type stuff...incline dumbells was like 9-8-6...still feeling out the stuff....did 3 sets of flys at about 9-8-6 increasing weights as well...and some incline flys at about 8-7-6...few sets of pushups too...felt REALLY good.
     
    degenerate...Ive been thitting the gym pretty hard the past 2 years...ive been a gym guy for the last 10 years really, and have done well there. Im well versed in nearly everything and understand muscle growth and all that jazz. I just see so many products out there im lost. I know the creatine deal, and protein deal, but so much to look at ...
     
    collect  I do negatives sometimes and def switch up my workout...and pretty much do just about everything you say, from weight change to rep change.
     
    Jett..honestly..thats the problem. I change my thoughts all the time. I dont feel the need to be "big"...but I want to be bigger...I dont want to be a meat head looking guy but I wouldnt mind 15 more lbs of muscle...i just really want to stay lean
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    again thanks guys...
     
    quick note
     
    decided on chest day today to do heavier weights with less reps...did things like 8-6-4 type stuff...incline dumbells was like 9-8-6...still feeling out the stuff....did 3 sets of flys at about 9-8-6 increasing weights as well...and some incline flys at about 8-7-6...few sets of pushups too...felt REALLY good.
     
    degenerate...Ive been thitting the gym pretty hard the past 2 years...ive been a gym guy for the last 10 years really, and have done well there. Im well versed in nearly everything and understand muscle growth and all that jazz. I just see so many products out there im lost. I know the creatine deal, and protein deal, but so much to look at ...
     
    collect  I do negatives sometimes and def switch up my workout...and pretty much do just about everything you say, from weight change to rep change.
     
    Jett..honestly..thats the problem. I change my thoughts all the time. I dont feel the need to be "big"...but I want to be bigger...I dont want to be a meat head looking guy but I wouldnt mind 15 more lbs of muscle...i just really want to stay lean
     
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    Crus, the work out you are doing now (heavy weight less reps) will make you stronger.  I suggest you do this for 3 months then go to light weight and lots of reps for another three months.  This will "shock" your muscles.  Also, try to swtich excercises every three mths also.  Chest and tri, chest and bis, legs and back, legs and shoulder, ect.  GL w/ your gains
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    Crus, the work out you are doing now (heavy weight less reps) will make you stronger.  I suggest you do this for 3 months then go to light weight and lots of reps for another three months.  This will "shock" your muscles.  Also, try to swtich excercises every three mths also.  Chest and tri, chest and bis, legs and back, legs and shoulder, ect.  GL w/ your gains
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrusCrnshw:

    My frame is thin...im semi lanky although Im pretty strong. I have put on muscle over the years, but I never look big. More ripped if anything. Im convinced my genes dont allow me to look "big"...but I feel as if I could use a boost...
     
    Anyone know any good supplements out there?? I took this thing called 1-T years back, basically a testosterone booster, but that shit gave me headaches and some iritability. It was basically legal steriods or some shit...similar side effects..
     
    :Looking for something that does not have side effects such as
    1) acne
    2) hair loss
    3) rage
    4) anything else associated with roids
     
    Suggestions?
     
    I hit the gym pretty hard usually 4-5 times a week. But just frustrated...i switch shit up,...im very knowledgable when it comes to physical fitness (my undergrade is Kiniesiology)...any thoughts?


    Just saw this thread. I fall into the same boat as far a lanky 5'10 154 or so. I would rather look "cut" than big as I will never look big at this weight.

    Back in the day I used to lift a lot and then my doctors said "hey dumbass you shouldnt be lifting any heavy weights with your heart condition" but I always used to buy those magazines Ironman, M&F etc. and read em. Maybe you are overtraining. You need to give your body time to recover from workouts. if you did like 3 times a week full body workout or even 4 times a week but split it up where you only did each body part 2 times a week you may get better results
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrusCrnshw:

    My frame is thin...im semi lanky although Im pretty strong. I have put on muscle over the years, but I never look big. More ripped if anything. Im convinced my genes dont allow me to look "big"...but I feel as if I could use a boost...
     
    Anyone know any good supplements out there?? I took this thing called 1-T years back, basically a testosterone booster, but that shit gave me headaches and some iritability. It was basically legal steriods or some shit...similar side effects..
     
    :Looking for something that does not have side effects such as
    1) acne
    2) hair loss
    3) rage
    4) anything else associated with roids
     
    Suggestions?
     
    I hit the gym pretty hard usually 4-5 times a week. But just frustrated...i switch shit up,...im very knowledgable when it comes to physical fitness (my undergrade is Kiniesiology)...any thoughts?


    Just saw this thread. I fall into the same boat as far a lanky 5'10 154 or so. I would rather look "cut" than big as I will never look big at this weight.

    Back in the day I used to lift a lot and then my doctors said "hey dumbass you shouldnt be lifting any heavy weights with your heart condition" but I always used to buy those magazines Ironman, M&F etc. and read em. Maybe you are overtraining. You need to give your body time to recover from workouts. if you did like 3 times a week full body workout or even 4 times a week but split it up where you only did each body part 2 times a week you may get better results
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrusCrnshw:

    Long, im 28 so my growing has basically ceased.
     
    What are the side effects and what is PCT?


    While on a cycle of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS), they cause high blood pressure, hurt your cholesterol levels (they increase the low-density lipoproteins aka the bad cholesterol and decrease the high-density), and hurt your liver. Thus it's prudent to take supplements to counteract these negative effects. AI Life Support is a supplement that contains numerous ingredients, each of which suppress a side-effect.

    While on AAS, your body makes little to no testosterone (you're sterile). Obviously after the cycle, you'd like to restore things to normal. A PCT basically gets your body to start making testoserone again. Without a PCT, the body would do this naturally, but it'd take a lot longer. Not to mention, low T means lack of strength, hormonal imbalances, fat production and depression. Also during PCT, you take shit to block the bad estrogen that be converted from T (no man tits).
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrusCrnshw:

    Long, im 28 so my growing has basically ceased.
     
    What are the side effects and what is PCT?


    While on a cycle of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS), they cause high blood pressure, hurt your cholesterol levels (they increase the low-density lipoproteins aka the bad cholesterol and decrease the high-density), and hurt your liver. Thus it's prudent to take supplements to counteract these negative effects. AI Life Support is a supplement that contains numerous ingredients, each of which suppress a side-effect.

    While on AAS, your body makes little to no testosterone (you're sterile). Obviously after the cycle, you'd like to restore things to normal. A PCT basically gets your body to start making testoserone again. Without a PCT, the body would do this naturally, but it'd take a lot longer. Not to mention, low T means lack of strength, hormonal imbalances, fat production and depression. Also during PCT, you take shit to block the bad estrogen that be converted from T (no man tits).
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2009 - 10:55 PM ET #44

    Devils...i look like I weigh 185 but I am about 160 right now...
     
    Gonna stick with this lower rep heavier weight routine...i like it...
     
    Long...this cycle stuff sounds dangerous...not sure if its worth it..do the gains stay on after its done?
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    Devils...i look like I weigh 185 but I am about 160 right now...
     
    Gonna stick with this lower rep heavier weight routine...i like it...
     
    Long...this cycle stuff sounds dangerous...not sure if its worth it..do the gains stay on after its done?
     
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    Dont take roids.

    F'ck up your kidneys and all your other shit. If you weigh 160 and look like you weigh 185 then you are fine
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    Dont take roids.

    F'ck up your kidneys and all your other shit. If you weigh 160 and look like you weigh 185 then you are fine
     
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    NJ can I be invited to your 20k post party??
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    NJ can I be invited to your 20k post party??
     
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    Bro, find yourself an Italian girl to marry! I was 175-180, all muscle till I met my wife ( of course I was 22 yrs old also ), within a year of eating her cooking, I put on 40 pounds on my 6'4" frame. I WAS HUGE!!!! I'm 48 now, and I weigh 225 and I'm good right there. I kinda regret getting that big ( I eventually got nuts and peaked at 275 ), cuz I pulled too many muscles trying to play softball at that weight.
                           But seriously, CARBS, CARBS, and MORE CARBS!!!!!! I did carbs before AND after lifting ( everyday by the way! ), I got the protiens naturally in the foods I ate, normal food, no special diet. Granted EVERONE is different, but if you have the body, and the genes, you or anyone SHOULD be able to lift everday as long as you have the proper routine and nutrition.
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    Bro, find yourself an Italian girl to marry! I was 175-180, all muscle till I met my wife ( of course I was 22 yrs old also ), within a year of eating her cooking, I put on 40 pounds on my 6'4" frame. I WAS HUGE!!!! I'm 48 now, and I weigh 225 and I'm good right there. I kinda regret getting that big ( I eventually got nuts and peaked at 275 ), cuz I pulled too many muscles trying to play softball at that weight.
                           But seriously, CARBS, CARBS, and MORE CARBS!!!!!! I did carbs before AND after lifting ( everyday by the way! ), I got the protiens naturally in the foods I ate, normal food, no special diet. Granted EVERONE is different, but if you have the body, and the genes, you or anyone SHOULD be able to lift everday as long as you have the proper routine and nutrition.
     
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    I just saw something about cycles. Whos the ASSHOLE tellin this dude to start ROIDS? If you want tiny balls and a limp dick ( not to mention liver and kidney damage ), go ahead.I say DO THE WORK, WORK THE PROGRAM! Whats the sense of being big if its all fake anyway? I'm guessing you want to get big to attract females,( or males, your preference ) but if you finally get to your goal and you cant DO anything but have ROID tantrums, WHAT GOOD IS IT? I hung with some dudes that wet that route and now those guys are in their forties and have NOTHING but physical problems!!!! DONT DO IT!
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    I just saw something about cycles. Whos the ASSHOLE tellin this dude to start ROIDS? If you want tiny balls and a limp dick ( not to mention liver and kidney damage ), go ahead.I say DO THE WORK, WORK THE PROGRAM! Whats the sense of being big if its all fake anyway? I'm guessing you want to get big to attract females,( or males, your preference ) but if you finally get to your goal and you cant DO anything but have ROID tantrums, WHAT GOOD IS IT? I hung with some dudes that wet that route and now those guys are in their forties and have NOTHING but physical problems!!!! DONT DO IT!
     
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    Routines are very important. You have to shock the muscles but you also have to FOOL them too. You can get HUGE if you are dedicated and want to put the time in. Like I said, I NEVER did a drug in my life ( to lift weights with anyway ,lol ) and I got HUGE! I dont recomend getting too big though , unless your going to compete. Its hard to maintain as you get older, and it puts way too much stress on your joints. Especially if you play active sports. JMO, GL and God bless.
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    Routines are very important. You have to shock the muscles but you also have to FOOL them too. You can get HUGE if you are dedicated and want to put the time in. Like I said, I NEVER did a drug in my life ( to lift weights with anyway ,lol ) and I got HUGE! I dont recomend getting too big though , unless your going to compete. Its hard to maintain as you get older, and it puts way too much stress on your joints. Especially if you play active sports. JMO, GL and God bless.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal7130:

    I just saw something about cycles. Whos the ASSHOLE tellin this dude to start ROIDS? If you want tiny balls and a limp dick ( not to mention liver and kidney damage ), go ahead.I say DO THE WORK, WORK THE PROGRAM! Whats the sense of being big if its all fake anyway? I'm guessing you want to get big to attract females,( or males, your preference ) but if you finally get to your goal and you cant DO anything but have ROID tantrums, WHAT GOOD IS IT? I hung with some dudes that wet that route and now those guys are in their forties and have NOTHING but physical problems!!!! DONT DO IT!


    Hey man, he asked about supplements for helping to add muscle - I answered his question. Creatine and a good "pump" are obvious first choices, but prohormones do help. I think I did a decent job outlining the risks as well as minimizing their consequences. In the strict sense of toxicity everything you put in your body is harmful... too much protein will hurt your liver and too much water can kill you! The key is to understand the risks and not be a retard about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal7130:

    I just saw something about cycles. Whos the ASSHOLE tellin this dude to start ROIDS? If you want tiny balls and a limp dick ( not to mention liver and kidney damage ), go ahead.I say DO THE WORK, WORK THE PROGRAM! Whats the sense of being big if its all fake anyway? I'm guessing you want to get big to attract females,( or males, your preference ) but if you finally get to your goal and you cant DO anything but have ROID tantrums, WHAT GOOD IS IT? I hung with some dudes that wet that route and now those guys are in their forties and have NOTHING but physical problems!!!! DONT DO IT!


    Hey man, he asked about supplements for helping to add muscle - I answered his question. Creatine and a good "pump" are obvious first choices, but prohormones do help. I think I did a decent job outlining the risks as well as minimizing their consequences. In the strict sense of toxicity everything you put in your body is harmful... too much protein will hurt your liver and too much water can kill you! The key is to understand the risks and not be a retard about it.
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