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    Knockout stage power rankings and wagers

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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2018 - 12:27 PM ET #1

    Power rankings:

    1) Brazil - not based on level of play although it hasn't been bad. The team has it all - sublime attack, flair, buildup, youth, experience, link up play, creativity, speed, width, spine... They have enough but they also have the most pressure. Time for this group to search their souls and ask "do we rise to the pressure of expectations or fold." 

    2) Belgium - I cannot put France or Spain above them, I simply cannot. For me, the 2nd most talented team on paper. De Bruyne is a maestro and for me, the best player in the world after the big 3. Can Lukaku deliver when competition gets more intense and there is less space to operate, lets see. What about Hazard? Top to bottom, no weaknesses on this team and they are playing well. Still, I have this knawing suspicion that the lack of wingbacks could land them into trouble against better organized sides - they will pose the questions but will they have enough answers.`.

    3) Croatia - playing the best team game of any side. And gosh, i love their system. That midfield is boss and simply controls game. Perisic looks the real deal. Couple questions - can Mandzukic really lead the attack of a WC winning side, is there enough in attack...  

    4) France - young and far from convincing but this team has it all. If Deschamps can enable Paul Pogba into the force that he can being the attacking focal point that frees Mbappe, Dembele, Greizmann watch out. but we have only seen glimpses. Also, can we please get Giroud off the field, he is a liability.

    5) Spain - Iniesta is a shell of himself, Costa is a bumbling fool... I am not convinced, still they create so many opportunities that they are tough to bet against... ever

    6) Uruguay - the easiest group so this maybe rating them too highly. Still, I like what I am seeing. They can gring out victories, control play, score against the run of play, see off games... 

    7) England - some would say higher but I am still not convinced that the english style of play creates enough when the going gets tough...

    8) Portugal - say it with me Cristiano for presidante, Cristiano for presidante... Uruguay vs Portugal best knockout stage match

    9) Columbia - we have seen fits and starts of what they can become... Columbia v. England 2nd best 

    10) Argengina - I will give them this, they have shown character!

    11) Swiss - well coached, compact system and surprising attacking promise

    12) Mexico - the feel good story ends now

    13)Denmark - well they aren't bad

    14) Russia - for the motherland!

    15) Sweden - where are you Zlatan, where are you

    16) Japan - what was that coach thinking 

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Power rankings:

    1) Brazil - not based on level of play although it hasn't been bad. The team has it all - sublime attack, flair, buildup, youth, experience, link up play, creativity, speed, width, spine... They have enough but they also have the most pressure. Time for this group to search their souls and ask "do we rise to the pressure of expectations or fold." 

    2) Belgium - I cannot put France or Spain above them, I simply cannot. For me, the 2nd most talented team on paper. De Bruyne is a maestro and for me, the best player in the world after the big 3. Can Lukaku deliver when competition gets more intense and there is less space to operate, lets see. What about Hazard? Top to bottom, no weaknesses on this team and they are playing well. Still, I have this knawing suspicion that the lack of wingbacks could land them into trouble against better organized sides - they will pose the questions but will they have enough answers.`.

    3) Croatia - playing the best team game of any side. And gosh, i love their system. That midfield is boss and simply controls game. Perisic looks the real deal. Couple questions - can Mandzukic really lead the attack of a WC winning side, is there enough in attack...  

    4) France - young and far from convincing but this team has it all. If Deschamps can enable Paul Pogba into the force that he can being the attacking focal point that frees Mbappe, Dembele, Greizmann watch out. but we have only seen glimpses. Also, can we please get Giroud off the field, he is a liability.

    5) Spain - Iniesta is a shell of himself, Costa is a bumbling fool... I am not convinced, still they create so many opportunities that they are tough to bet against... ever

    6) Uruguay - the easiest group so this maybe rating them too highly. Still, I like what I am seeing. They can gring out victories, control play, score against the run of play, see off games... 

    7) England - some would say higher but I am still not convinced that the english style of play creates enough when the going gets tough...

    8) Portugal - say it with me Cristiano for presidante, Cristiano for presidante... Uruguay vs Portugal best knockout stage match

    9) Columbia - we have seen fits and starts of what they can become... Columbia v. England 2nd best 

    10) Argengina - I will give them this, they have shown character!

    11) Swiss - well coached, compact system and surprising attacking promise

    12) Mexico - the feel good story ends now

    13)Denmark - well they aren't bad

    14) Russia - for the motherland!

    15) Sweden - where are you Zlatan, where are you

    16) Japan - what was that coach thinking 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2018 - 12:29 PM ET #2

    Thus far:

    Belgium -1 -1.5 -110 1 unit

    Croatia ML -115 1 unit

    Belgium ML/Brazil ML 1.5 units

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    Thus far:

    Belgium -1 -1.5 -110 1 unit

    Croatia ML -115 1 unit

    Belgium ML/Brazil ML 1.5 units

     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2018 - 12:35 PM ET #3

    Strong lead - France/Argentina o2 - is this game really supposed to end 1-0??

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    Strong lead - France/Argentina o2 - is this game really supposed to end 1-0??

     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2018 - 12:47 PM ET #4

    Brazil is first in your list  100 % disagree
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    Brazil is first in your list  100 % disagree
     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2018 - 1:05 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by Krisamons:

    Brazil is first in your list  100 % disagree

     

    Welp, only Croatia and Belgium are playing better so which one of those two would you put above Brazil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisamons:

    Brazil is first in your list  100 % disagree

     

    Welp, only Croatia and Belgium are playing better so which one of those two would you put above Brazil?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2018 - 1:27 PM ET #6

    what are power ratings meant to capture? i've never really understood the actual idea myself. i'm referring to non-quant power ratings..

    if it's best team, it's gotta be brazil followed by spain as their world cup odds are so much shorter than the rest of the teams.

    if it's best so far then probably belgium at top.

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    what are power ratings meant to capture? i've never really understood the actual idea myself. i'm referring to non-quant power ratings..

    if it's best team, it's gotta be brazil followed by spain as their world cup odds are so much shorter than the rest of the teams.

    if it's best so far then probably belgium at top.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2018 - 1:44 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Titusblink:

     

    Welp, only Croatia and Belgium are playing better so which one of those two would you put above Brazil?


    Both.
    Maybe its true that, as you said, Brazil has it all but they are not playing good footbsll, they are average. I dont know why are they so big faves vs Mexico. If they will win Mexico Im expecting them to lose vs Belgium
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titusblink:

     

    Welp, only Croatia and Belgium are playing better so which one of those two would you put above Brazil?


    Both.
    Maybe its true that, as you said, Brazil has it all but they are not playing good footbsll, they are average. I dont know why are they so big faves vs Mexico. If they will win Mexico Im expecting them to lose vs Belgium
     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2018 - 10:29 PM ET #8

    Adding Uruguay to advance -115 1 unit

     

    Following a number of cappers on France pickem/0.5, and to advance 

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    Adding Uruguay to advance -115 1 unit

     

    Following a number of cappers on France pickem/0.5, and to advance 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 29, 2018 - 11:48 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by jimrockford22:

    what are power ratings meant to capture? i've never really understood the actual idea myself. i'm referring to non-quant power ratings.. if it's best team, it's gotta be brazil followed by spain as their world cup odds are so much shorter than the rest of the teams. if it's best so far then probably belgium at top.

     

    Not quite - england went down from +800 to +600 not because of form in game 3 but due to being in the 'weaker bracket.' Spain's odds are this short because they have the easiest possible path not because oddsmakers have them ranked 2nd after the group stages...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrockford22:

    what are power ratings meant to capture? i've never really understood the actual idea myself. i'm referring to non-quant power ratings.. if it's best team, it's gotta be brazil followed by spain as their world cup odds are so much shorter than the rest of the teams. if it's best so far then probably belgium at top.

     

    Not quite - england went down from +800 to +600 not because of form in game 3 but due to being in the 'weaker bracket.' Spain's odds are this short because they have the easiest possible path not because oddsmakers have them ranked 2nd after the group stages...

     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2018 - 10:36 AM ET #10

    Argentina lineup just boggles the mind - Sampaoli playing 10men behind the ball hoping a moment of Messi magic for a 1-0 win lol... This guy is out of his league 

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    Argentina lineup just boggles the mind - Sampaoli playing 10men behind the ball hoping a moment of Messi magic for a 1-0 win lol... This guy is out of his league 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2018 - 10:43 AM ET #11

    why did I talk myself out of Argentina/France o2 due to a number of respected cappers playing the under grr... There is at least one more goal in this game

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    why did I talk myself out of Argentina/France o2 due to a number of respected cappers playing the under grr... There is at least one more goal in this game

     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2018 - 1:08 PM ET #12

    .25 units to win .5 units on uruguay in reg time

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    .25 units to win .5 units on uruguay in reg time

     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2018 - 5:25 PM ET #13

    2 straight 4-0 posted days, not easy... on to the next

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    2 straight 4-0 posted days, not easy... on to the next

     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2018 - 6:24 PM ET #14

    Denmark - look at that defensive record, they havent allowed >1 goal in 2018. They also haven't played anyone of Croatia's class. France resting mbappe, matuide, pogba and 65mins of Greizman in a meaningless game for them - passs... Rakitic and Modric dominate possession, Peresic delivers width and Madzucik can always get the smash and grab goal. I could lose this but love Croatia  

    I don't love Spain but I will give them this, they create chances and their one touch footy opens up disorganized teams. Russia is porous, how does Spain not find a way through at least twice... .85 units to win .5 units on the ML

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    Denmark - look at that defensive record, they havent allowed >1 goal in 2018. They also haven't played anyone of Croatia's class. France resting mbappe, matuide, pogba and 65mins of Greizman in a meaningless game for them - passs... Rakitic and Modric dominate possession, Peresic delivers width and Madzucik can always get the smash and grab goal. I could lose this but love Croatia  

    I don't love Spain but I will give them this, they create chances and their one touch footy opens up disorganized teams. Russia is porous, how does Spain not find a way through at least twice... .85 units to win .5 units on the ML

     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2018 - 9:35 PM ET #15

    adding Spain -1 +110 rising .4 units

    spain over 1.5 goals -120 to win .5 units

     

    Want to even out expsoure with 1 unit on Croatia, will wait until tomrrow

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    adding Spain -1 +110 rising .4 units

    spain over 1.5 goals -120 to win .5 units

     

    Want to even out expsoure with 1 unit on Croatia, will wait until tomrrow

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2018 - 3:02 PM ET #16

    Those missed sitters, common Croatia...

    at Halftime - croatia to advance -210 parlayed with Belgium to advance -575 risking 2.5 units to win just under 2
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    Those missed sitters, common Croatia...

    at Halftime - croatia to advance -210 parlayed with Belgium to advance -575 risking 2.5 units to win just under 2
     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2018 - 2:31 PM ET #17

    Men versus boys on the pitch but will/when will the breakthrough come... Common Red Devils 

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    Men versus boys on the pitch but will/when will the breakthrough come... Common Red Devils 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2018 - 3:16 PM ET #18

    how technically sound is this Japan team, just have to tip the cap, wow

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    how technically sound is this Japan team, just have to tip the cap, wow

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2018 - 8:09 PM ET #19

    Sweden pickem +110.. I think the Swiss have the advantage if this game goes to PK so ill take my shot at Sweden winning in reg time for .75 units

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    Sweden pickem +110.. I think the Swiss have the advantage if this game goes to PK so ill take my shot at Sweden winning in reg time for .75 units

     
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    Posted: Jul. 4, 2018 - 4:00 AM ET #20

    initial snap impressions

    Croatia/Russia - C FT done

    France/Uruguay - Uruguay (if Cavani is fit) is live and at these odds +0.5 is a no brainer in my mind but do we have any read on his fitness for the match? Feels like Cavani not playing is priced in

    Brazil/Belgium - Need to do more work on this one but I know that I cannot back Belgium (my money maker) and its suspect D against the most complete team in football

    Sweden/England - in my eyes Sweden is live, not ready to back them

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    initial snap impressions

    Croatia/Russia - C FT done

    France/Uruguay - Uruguay (if Cavani is fit) is live and at these odds +0.5 is a no brainer in my mind but do we have any read on his fitness for the match? Feels like Cavani not playing is priced in

    Brazil/Belgium - Need to do more work on this one but I know that I cannot back Belgium (my money maker) and its suspect D against the most complete team in football

    Sweden/England - in my eyes Sweden is live, not ready to back them

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2018 - 2:43 PM ET #21

    Croatia -0.5 +125 risking 2.5 units
    Croatia Pickem, -0.5 -115 risking 1 unit
    Croatia to  advance  -165 risking 1 unit

    Brazil pick em, -0.5 -120 risking 1 unit
    Brazil -0.5 +110 risking .5 units
    Brazil to advance -170 risking
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    Croatia -0.5 +125 risking 2.5 units
    Croatia Pickem, -0.5 -115 risking 1 unit
    Croatia to  advance  -165 risking 1 unit

    Brazil pick em, -0.5 -120 risking 1 unit
    Brazil -0.5 +110 risking .5 units
    Brazil to advance -170 risking
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