wow. is iowa that good or is mich st that overrated? had nwestern last week vs. this state team and well it sucked. go hawkeyes! iowa 31 - mich st 20. this looks like a sucker bet to take state or am i way off the mark?
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wow. is iowa that good or is mich st that overrated? had nwestern last week vs. this state team and well it sucked. go hawkeyes! iowa 31 - mich st 20. this looks like a sucker bet to take state or am i way off the mark?
I noticed the game scheduled MSU @ Iowa several weeks ago as the biggest test for Iowa. It appears that the players and/or coaches did as well as they came out flat at NU, but they eventually wore them down for a nice road victory.
Iowa got pounded by Wisky, who MSU handled with relative ease. I know these comparisons don't really hold at all, but while some keep calling MSU overrated week after week, it seems that is the fuel that Sparty needs to keep knocking them down.
I'm glad that Iowa is such a convincing favorite from the oddsmakers (6.5 as of now). Of course the movement of this line and consensus numbers will be all the talk in these threads, but will really not play a part in what happens on the field on Saturday.
MSU has plenty of talent, and all the momentum they could want. Most importantly, they seem to feed off the doubters and keep finding ways to win. This is not the typical MSU team that we all have come to know. Iowa on the other hand seems to keep finding ways to self destruct, meanwhile getting plenty of credit for how good everybody thinks they are "on paper".
I like this setup, and I think MSU will have the mental edge coming into this game. Iowa is beat up on the defensive side of the ball, and I really hope Coach Dantonio will have plenty of scheme to expose this.
Go Sparty! MSU 34 Iowa 24
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I noticed the game scheduled MSU @ Iowa several weeks ago as the biggest test for Iowa. It appears that the players and/or coaches did as well as they came out flat at NU, but they eventually wore them down for a nice road victory.
Iowa got pounded by Wisky, who MSU handled with relative ease. I know these comparisons don't really hold at all, but while some keep calling MSU overrated week after week, it seems that is the fuel that Sparty needs to keep knocking them down.
I'm glad that Iowa is such a convincing favorite from the oddsmakers (6.5 as of now). Of course the movement of this line and consensus numbers will be all the talk in these threads, but will really not play a part in what happens on the field on Saturday.
MSU has plenty of talent, and all the momentum they could want. Most importantly, they seem to feed off the doubters and keep finding ways to win. This is not the typical MSU team that we all have come to know. Iowa on the other hand seems to keep finding ways to self destruct, meanwhile getting plenty of credit for how good everybody thinks they are "on paper".
I like this setup, and I think MSU will have the mental edge coming into this game. Iowa is beat up on the defensive side of the ball, and I really hope Coach Dantonio will have plenty of scheme to expose this.
nice game, I like the spartans +6.5, the game will be close all the way, I think the line should be around 3 to 3.5, 6.5 is too much, take michigan state + the points in a game that they have a real good shot at winning outright
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nice game, I like the spartans +6.5, the game will be close all the way, I think the line should be around 3 to 3.5, 6.5 is too much, take michigan state + the points in a game that they have a real good shot at winning outright
Then you should play Iowa. MSU keeps proving the doubters wrong. They have now beat I think 4 ranked opponents as a dog, and just keep marching, yet the doubters continue. Iowa keeps losing, yet everybody thinks they are underrated.
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Quote Originally Posted by osu200200:
lol 34-24 msu at iowa???
comparing how each played against wisky???
bad comparison
Then you should play Iowa. MSU keeps proving the doubters wrong. They have now beat I think 4 ranked opponents as a dog, and just keep marching, yet the doubters continue. Iowa keeps losing, yet everybody thinks they are underrated.
this line is way off... iowa is not nearly as good as the talking heads make them out to be.
for starters, their vaunted D is overrated, they have yielded 34 (arizona), 28 (UM) and 31 (wisc) to the only 3 decent teams they have played all year. MSU is the most balanced of the aforementioned 3 so I fully expect MSU to be able to score points. MSU and Iowa always seem to play close and MSU owes Iowa a little payback after last year's thriller and I just think this MSU team has "it" this season...
i expect cousins to have another big game, but this might be edwin bakers day. expect a lot of screens/play action fakes from MSU.
MSU +7 large. might make a small play on the ML here too.
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this line is way off... iowa is not nearly as good as the talking heads make them out to be.
for starters, their vaunted D is overrated, they have yielded 34 (arizona), 28 (UM) and 31 (wisc) to the only 3 decent teams they have played all year. MSU is the most balanced of the aforementioned 3 so I fully expect MSU to be able to score points. MSU and Iowa always seem to play close and MSU owes Iowa a little payback after last year's thriller and I just think this MSU team has "it" this season...
i expect cousins to have another big game, but this might be edwin bakers day. expect a lot of screens/play action fakes from MSU.
MSU +7 large. might make a small play on the ML here too.
Chitown Badger agree that Iowa's defense not as good as last year, however Arizona scored 21 pts from kick return, int for td, and blocked punt on Iowa's 5 yard line. Michigan was in catch up mode throwing every down. Wisconsin did nice job, I will give them credit, but the other two teams not so much. Iowa gave game away last week, poor special teams alone cost Iowa a 10 point win. Mich St. a tough team that just finds a way to win, alot like Iowa last year. Game is a tough call, a no bet for me.
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Chitown Badger agree that Iowa's defense not as good as last year, however Arizona scored 21 pts from kick return, int for td, and blocked punt on Iowa's 5 yard line. Michigan was in catch up mode throwing every down. Wisconsin did nice job, I will give them credit, but the other two teams not so much. Iowa gave game away last week, poor special teams alone cost Iowa a 10 point win. Mich St. a tough team that just finds a way to win, alot like Iowa last year. Game is a tough call, a no bet for me.
this line is way off... iowa is not nearly as good as the talking heads make them out to be.
for starters, their vaunted D is overrated, they have yielded 34 (arizona), 28 (UM) and 31 (wisc) to the only 3 decent teams they have played all year. MSU is the most balanced of the aforementioned 3 so I fully expect MSU to be able to score points. MSU and Iowa always seem to play close and MSU owes Iowa a little payback after last year's thriller and I just think this MSU team has "it" this season...
i expect cousins to have another big game, but this might be edwin bakers day. expect a lot of screens/play action fakes from MSU.
MSU +7 large. might make a small play on the ML here too.
That "vaunted D" is still 11th in points against, and that's with giving 7 crap points up against Iowa state late in the game, 21 special team/pick six points against Arizona, and not playing with our world class defensive coordinator Norm Parker for a lot of the season. Not to mention that we had Michigan held to 7 points through the first 3 quarters and allowed 21 points really late.
What I don't think people realize is how important Norm Parker is to the Iowa defense. Norm is not well health wise, but when he is, he is the best in the business. Iowa's defense missed Norm last week badly and could not get off the field. For a guy who has gone to every single Iowa game for the last 15 years, I can personally tell you that the Iowa defense played a ton differently without Norm. With that said, Norm Parker is finally healthy enough to at least attend the game, probably not coach it, but be in the locker room. Even having Norm in the building will help us out immensly. I would not expect Sparty to do what Wisconsin did last week against us.
Another note... Our special teams are single handedly responsible for our two losses. Against Arizona we allowed a kick off return for a touchdown, a blocked punt, and missed an extra point that would have given us the lead. Last week we missed an extra point, botched the snap on a field goal, and had a 30 something yard penalty on a kickoff because of an offside. Not to mention the 4th an 18 massacre.
Michigan State's secondary looked lost at Northwestern last week, and if they do not iron that out Stanzi could have a field day. Stanzi has the second best QB rating in the country, only behind Moore who plays in the WAC.
If I have time later this week I'll add more analysis, but I just had to get something out there... And oh by the way, I like Iowa to win by double digits this week.
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Quote Originally Posted by chitownbadger:
this line is way off... iowa is not nearly as good as the talking heads make them out to be.
for starters, their vaunted D is overrated, they have yielded 34 (arizona), 28 (UM) and 31 (wisc) to the only 3 decent teams they have played all year. MSU is the most balanced of the aforementioned 3 so I fully expect MSU to be able to score points. MSU and Iowa always seem to play close and MSU owes Iowa a little payback after last year's thriller and I just think this MSU team has "it" this season...
i expect cousins to have another big game, but this might be edwin bakers day. expect a lot of screens/play action fakes from MSU.
MSU +7 large. might make a small play on the ML here too.
That "vaunted D" is still 11th in points against, and that's with giving 7 crap points up against Iowa state late in the game, 21 special team/pick six points against Arizona, and not playing with our world class defensive coordinator Norm Parker for a lot of the season. Not to mention that we had Michigan held to 7 points through the first 3 quarters and allowed 21 points really late.
What I don't think people realize is how important Norm Parker is to the Iowa defense. Norm is not well health wise, but when he is, he is the best in the business. Iowa's defense missed Norm last week badly and could not get off the field. For a guy who has gone to every single Iowa game for the last 15 years, I can personally tell you that the Iowa defense played a ton differently without Norm. With that said, Norm Parker is finally healthy enough to at least attend the game, probably not coach it, but be in the locker room. Even having Norm in the building will help us out immensly. I would not expect Sparty to do what Wisconsin did last week against us.
Another note... Our special teams are single handedly responsible for our two losses. Against Arizona we allowed a kick off return for a touchdown, a blocked punt, and missed an extra point that would have given us the lead. Last week we missed an extra point, botched the snap on a field goal, and had a 30 something yard penalty on a kickoff because of an offside. Not to mention the 4th an 18 massacre.
Michigan State's secondary looked lost at Northwestern last week, and if they do not iron that out Stanzi could have a field day. Stanzi has the second best QB rating in the country, only behind Moore who plays in the WAC.
If I have time later this week I'll add more analysis, but I just had to get something out there... And oh by the way, I like Iowa to win by double digits this week.
That "vaunted D" is still 11th in points against, and that's with giving 7 crap points up against Iowa state late in the game, 21 special team/pick six points against Arizona, and not playing with our world class defensive coordinator Norm Parker for a lot of the season. Not to mention that we had Michigan held to 7 points through the first 3 quarters and allowed 21 points really late.
What I don't think people realize is how important Norm Parker is to the Iowa defense. Norm is not well health wise, but when he is, he is the best in the business. Iowa's defense missed Norm last week badly and could not get off the field. For a guy who has gone to every single Iowa game for the last 15 years, I can personally tell you that the Iowa defense played a ton differently without Norm. With that said, Norm Parker is finally healthy enough to at least attend the game, probably not coach it, but be in the locker room. Even having Norm in the building will help us out immensly. I would not expect Sparty to do what Wisconsin did last week against us.
Another note... Our special teams are single handedly responsible for our two losses. Against Arizona we allowed a kick off return for a touchdown, a blocked punt, and missed an extra point that would have given us the lead. Last week we missed an extra point, botched the snap on a field goal, and had a 30 something yard penalty on a kickoff because of an offside. Not to mention the 4th an 18 massacre.
Michigan State's secondary looked lost at Northwestern last week, and if they do not iron that out Stanzi could have a field day. Stanzi has the second best QB rating in the country, only behind Moore who plays in the WAC.
If I have time later this week I'll add more analysis, but I just had to get something out there... And oh by the way, I like Iowa to win by double digits this week.
Sounds like a whole bunch of excuses...
So you admit that Iowa has bad special teams. So the best special teams unit in the Big 10 (MSU) should do something then, right? Hard to win by 7+ OR double digits when your special teams is garbage...
And lets not forget MSU's D is ranked 18th in points against either..
In regards to your Stanzi and Persa comparison, you couldn't be more off base. Persa can run and throw. Stanzi is a pocket passer, he is no threat to run. MSU does much better against pro-style offenses than spread teams.
MSU has the advantage at EVERY skill position player on offense. Iowa has the better D-Line. MSU has WAY better LBs. And both secondary's are average.
I don't know if MSU will win, but a TD is too many points here.
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Quote Originally Posted by hawkeyefan1433:
That "vaunted D" is still 11th in points against, and that's with giving 7 crap points up against Iowa state late in the game, 21 special team/pick six points against Arizona, and not playing with our world class defensive coordinator Norm Parker for a lot of the season. Not to mention that we had Michigan held to 7 points through the first 3 quarters and allowed 21 points really late.
What I don't think people realize is how important Norm Parker is to the Iowa defense. Norm is not well health wise, but when he is, he is the best in the business. Iowa's defense missed Norm last week badly and could not get off the field. For a guy who has gone to every single Iowa game for the last 15 years, I can personally tell you that the Iowa defense played a ton differently without Norm. With that said, Norm Parker is finally healthy enough to at least attend the game, probably not coach it, but be in the locker room. Even having Norm in the building will help us out immensly. I would not expect Sparty to do what Wisconsin did last week against us.
Another note... Our special teams are single handedly responsible for our two losses. Against Arizona we allowed a kick off return for a touchdown, a blocked punt, and missed an extra point that would have given us the lead. Last week we missed an extra point, botched the snap on a field goal, and had a 30 something yard penalty on a kickoff because of an offside. Not to mention the 4th an 18 massacre.
Michigan State's secondary looked lost at Northwestern last week, and if they do not iron that out Stanzi could have a field day. Stanzi has the second best QB rating in the country, only behind Moore who plays in the WAC.
If I have time later this week I'll add more analysis, but I just had to get something out there... And oh by the way, I like Iowa to win by double digits this week.
Sounds like a whole bunch of excuses...
So you admit that Iowa has bad special teams. So the best special teams unit in the Big 10 (MSU) should do something then, right? Hard to win by 7+ OR double digits when your special teams is garbage...
And lets not forget MSU's D is ranked 18th in points against either..
In regards to your Stanzi and Persa comparison, you couldn't be more off base. Persa can run and throw. Stanzi is a pocket passer, he is no threat to run. MSU does much better against pro-style offenses than spread teams.
MSU has the advantage at EVERY skill position player on offense. Iowa has the better D-Line. MSU has WAY better LBs. And both secondary's are average.
I don't know if MSU will win, but a TD is too many points here.
So badger if MSU is according to you better than Iowa in every phase except D line then why would you not bet MSU on moneyline? No excuses for Iowa losses however if you think Iowa defense sucks and is overrated put the house on MSU. Wisconsin apparently played bad at MSU and gave that game away according to most fans and Wisconsin coaches, they get handed a game against Iowa but that is an excuse for Iowa backers. MSU is having a special year , but I think the one loss they will have will be Iowa.
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So badger if MSU is according to you better than Iowa in every phase except D line then why would you not bet MSU on moneyline? No excuses for Iowa losses however if you think Iowa defense sucks and is overrated put the house on MSU. Wisconsin apparently played bad at MSU and gave that game away according to most fans and Wisconsin coaches, they get handed a game against Iowa but that is an excuse for Iowa backers. MSU is having a special year , but I think the one loss they will have will be Iowa.
MSU is going to give Iowa all they can handle. They are better than Arizona and Wisky, both which beat Iowa.
I also think the mental edge goes to MSU. They know the score and they are playing for something special. They will be very very focused on this game, and I'm glad it's a road game - less opportunity for distractions.
Iowa will play tough, but I don't think they are "all in" such as a team that is 8-0 to this point. There is simply less to play for.
The only reason that this line is 6.5 is because Iowa has played on the national stage in recent years and MSU has not. If you don't regard any of that at all, there is no reason to think Iowa will suddenly become better than MSU this Saturday.
So therefore in my mind, if you make a play for Iowa, it is really a play against MSU... meaning that you don't think this team is for real, and is likely to self destruct like they have in recent years. If you make a play on MSU, you are thinking those times are now behind this team.
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MSU is going to give Iowa all they can handle. They are better than Arizona and Wisky, both which beat Iowa.
I also think the mental edge goes to MSU. They know the score and they are playing for something special. They will be very very focused on this game, and I'm glad it's a road game - less opportunity for distractions.
Iowa will play tough, but I don't think they are "all in" such as a team that is 8-0 to this point. There is simply less to play for.
The only reason that this line is 6.5 is because Iowa has played on the national stage in recent years and MSU has not. If you don't regard any of that at all, there is no reason to think Iowa will suddenly become better than MSU this Saturday.
So therefore in my mind, if you make a play for Iowa, it is really a play against MSU... meaning that you don't think this team is for real, and is likely to self destruct like they have in recent years. If you make a play on MSU, you are thinking those times are now behind this team.
So badger if MSU is according to you better than Iowa in every phase except D line then why would you not bet MSU on moneyline? No excuses for Iowa losses however if you think Iowa defense sucks and is overrated put the house on MSU. Wisconsin apparently played bad at MSU and gave that game away according to most fans and Wisconsin coaches, they get handed a game against Iowa but that is an excuse for Iowa backers. MSU is having a special year , but I think the one loss they will have will be Iowa.
I am going to make a small play on the ML, waiting to see it come out. Already took MSU +7 Large.
I don't think their defense "sucks", but I do think they are overrated. Some people claim they are great, well they aren't is all I'm saying...
And what UW fan in their right mind will say they didn't lose outright to MSU. My friends and I all know our badgers got beat by the better team. MSU turned the ball over 3x, we turned it over 0x and we still lost by 10. Any badger who sais otherwise is just making excuses. Am I pumped about beating OSU and Iowa? Absolutely. But I'll give credit where credit is due to MSU.
And don't get me wrong, I won't be shocked if Iowa wins (it helps UW out too!) but I just don't see them winning by 2 scores.
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Quote Originally Posted by chaffey:
So badger if MSU is according to you better than Iowa in every phase except D line then why would you not bet MSU on moneyline? No excuses for Iowa losses however if you think Iowa defense sucks and is overrated put the house on MSU. Wisconsin apparently played bad at MSU and gave that game away according to most fans and Wisconsin coaches, they get handed a game against Iowa but that is an excuse for Iowa backers. MSU is having a special year , but I think the one loss they will have will be Iowa.
I am going to make a small play on the ML, waiting to see it come out. Already took MSU +7 Large.
I don't think their defense "sucks", but I do think they are overrated. Some people claim they are great, well they aren't is all I'm saying...
And what UW fan in their right mind will say they didn't lose outright to MSU. My friends and I all know our badgers got beat by the better team. MSU turned the ball over 3x, we turned it over 0x and we still lost by 10. Any badger who sais otherwise is just making excuses. Am I pumped about beating OSU and Iowa? Absolutely. But I'll give credit where credit is due to MSU.
And don't get me wrong, I won't be shocked if Iowa wins (it helps UW out too!) but I just don't see them winning by 2 scores.
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