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    ... Why is Bobby Bowden being Forced to Retire ??? ...

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    joemw74
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 8:24 PM ET #1

    Total Unbelievable!

    He made the Seminole Football what it is today!!!

    Why does everyone want him to retire?

    People think they know everything!

    Let Bobby Bowden coach until whenever...

    I dont understand it ...

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    Total Unbelievable!

    He made the Seminole Football what it is today!!!

    Why does everyone want him to retire?

    People think they know everything!

    Let Bobby Bowden coach until whenever...

    I dont understand it ...

     
    Qb4011
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 9:02 PM ET #2

    im an fsu fan, and to be perfectly honest, i dont know why the hell theyre forcing him out, he recruits good players for the acc and his record this year is alot worse then the team really was, they had a BUNCH of tough losses and that included a heartbreaker to miami and a game they had a chance to win vs ga tech.  he wins those 2 games and his job is never a question

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    im an fsu fan, and to be perfectly honest, i dont know why the hell theyre forcing him out, he recruits good players for the acc and his record this year is alot worse then the team really was, they had a BUNCH of tough losses and that included a heartbreaker to miami and a game they had a chance to win vs ga tech.  he wins those 2 games and his job is never a question

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 9:05 PM ET #3

    It reflects an unpleasant reality in college football today... the "What have you done for me lately," mentality.

    JoePa was very nearly forced out at Penn State in a similar scenario a few years ago after an 0-11 season.  People simply can't be patient any more while a program rebuilds... they have to see immediate results, or fuck the coach, he needs to go.

    Sad to see Bowden go, but FSU now deserves whatever it gets.  They needed him far more than he needed them. 
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    It reflects an unpleasant reality in college football today... the "What have you done for me lately," mentality.

    JoePa was very nearly forced out at Penn State in a similar scenario a few years ago after an 0-11 season.  People simply can't be patient any more while a program rebuilds... they have to see immediate results, or fuck the coach, he needs to go.

    Sad to see Bowden go, but FSU now deserves whatever it gets.  They needed him far more than he needed them. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 9:12 PM ET #4

    college football is a cyclical thing. why is this relevant you ask? because right now the gators are killing them in statewide recruiting. ive dont recall fsu ever having to depend so much on out of state recruiting as they do now. simply put. the powers that be expect fsu to not only compete. they want them to get back to where they were. medicority doesnt keep the boosters happy at fsu. even if your last name is bowden.
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    college football is a cyclical thing. why is this relevant you ask? because right now the gators are killing them in statewide recruiting. ive dont recall fsu ever having to depend so much on out of state recruiting as they do now. simply put. the powers that be expect fsu to not only compete. they want them to get back to where they were. medicority doesnt keep the boosters happy at fsu. even if your last name is bowden.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 9:18 PM ET #5

    No one cares that he built the FSU program  they only care about what can you do for me now?
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    No one cares that he built the FSU program  they only care about what can you do for me now?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 9:27 PM ET #6

    Do you REALLY need to ask?
    Bagel Sandwiches Suck
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    Do you REALLY need to ask?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 9:29 PM ET #7

    Actually it's not what has he done for FSU lately...it's what has he done for FSU in the past 5 years+.  It's either good defense, no QB or offense, or decent offense and shitty defense.  


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    Actually it's not what has he done for FSU lately...it's what has he done for FSU in the past 5 years+.  It's either good defense, no QB or offense, or decent offense and shitty defense.  


     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 9:40 PM ET #8

    Bobby Bowden retired 5 years ago.
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    Bobby Bowden retired 5 years ago.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 9:43 PM ET #9

    they asked him to leave because they were tired of listening to his fucking wife  
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    they asked him to leave because they were tired of listening to his fucking wife  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 10:11 PM ET #10

    really? You're asking why? Were you in a coma for the past 5+ years?
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    really? You're asking why? Were you in a coma for the past 5+ years?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 10:18 PM ET #11

    He is an old senile 80 year old bitch who should be in a nursing home, not running a major college football team.  Same with PAterno.  They can't recruit or coach anymore.  Good riddance to that old fuck!!
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    He is an old senile 80 year old bitch who should be in a nursing home, not running a major college football team.  Same with PAterno.  They can't recruit or coach anymore.  Good riddance to that old fuck!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 10:25 PM ET #12

    geez, harsh words. Why does he have to be an 80 year old bitch? If anything, he's one of the best dudes in college. I respect the hell out of him, but that doesnt mean i think he should be there. This was long overdue. FSU has been giving him chances for quite some time now.
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    geez, harsh words. Why does he have to be an 80 year old bitch? If anything, he's one of the best dudes in college. I respect the hell out of him, but that doesnt mean i think he should be there. This was long overdue. FSU has been giving him chances for quite some time now.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 10:27 PM ET #13

    He is 80 years old. There cant be much in common with todays recruits... Plus dont feel sorry for him, he has been paid millions of dollars for many years, win or lose.
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    He is 80 years old. There cant be much in common with todays recruits... Plus dont feel sorry for him, he has been paid millions of dollars for many years, win or lose.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 10:31 PM ET #14

    because he farts dust. Dude he will have a heart attack if he continues. They are horrible. its time.
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    because he farts dust. Dude he will have a heart attack if he continues. They are horrible. its time.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 10:32 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by joemw74:

    Total Unbelievable!

    He made the Seminole Football what it is today!!!

    Why does everyone want him to retire?

    People think they know everything!

    Let Bobby Bowden coach until whenever...

    I dont understand it ...

    U DONT UNDERSTAND?? HE IS OLD! THE GAME HAS PASSED HIM BY! ACTUALLY HE HASNT COACHED IN YEARS IF U EVER NOTICE HIM ON THE SIDELINES HE HAS BEEN REDUCED TO AN OBSERVOR. I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I SAW HIM WITH HEADPHONES ON CALLING PLAYS OR MAKING DECISIONS HE HAS LOST HIS EDGE LONG AGO!! THE ATHLETES R GOING TO MIAMI. USF, FLORIDA ANYWHERE BUT FSU. EVERY EMPLOYEE OF A COMPANY HAS TO RETIRE IT IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD, BOBBOY BOWDEN AS GOOD AS HE HAS BEEN FOR FSU IS NOT I REPEAT NOT BIGGER THEN THE PROGRAM OR UNIVERSITY!!!! HE SHOULD HAVE LEFT 3 YEARS AGO BUT HE WAS HOLDING ON IN ORDER TO PASS JOE P. AT PENN STATE PERIOD!!!!! GREAT MOVE FOR FSU!!!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemw74:

    Total Unbelievable!

    He made the Seminole Football what it is today!!!

    Why does everyone want him to retire?

    People think they know everything!

    Let Bobby Bowden coach until whenever...

    I dont understand it ...

    U DONT UNDERSTAND?? HE IS OLD! THE GAME HAS PASSED HIM BY! ACTUALLY HE HASNT COACHED IN YEARS IF U EVER NOTICE HIM ON THE SIDELINES HE HAS BEEN REDUCED TO AN OBSERVOR. I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I SAW HIM WITH HEADPHONES ON CALLING PLAYS OR MAKING DECISIONS HE HAS LOST HIS EDGE LONG AGO!! THE ATHLETES R GOING TO MIAMI. USF, FLORIDA ANYWHERE BUT FSU. EVERY EMPLOYEE OF A COMPANY HAS TO RETIRE IT IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD, BOBBOY BOWDEN AS GOOD AS HE HAS BEEN FOR FSU IS NOT I REPEAT NOT BIGGER THEN THE PROGRAM OR UNIVERSITY!!!! HE SHOULD HAVE LEFT 3 YEARS AGO BUT HE WAS HOLDING ON IN ORDER TO PASS JOE P. AT PENN STATE PERIOD!!!!! GREAT MOVE FOR FSU!!!

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 10:41 PM ET #16

    harsh words about the old fella but TRUE! i mean i understand the sentiments and all that but gawddamn man!! even lou holtz knew it was time to just hangout with herbstreit and the gang!!
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    harsh words about the old fella but TRUE! i mean i understand the sentiments and all that but gawddamn man!! even lou holtz knew it was time to just hangout with herbstreit and the gang!!
     
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    So much disrespect on here, I'm surprised.  He's the second winningest coach ever!  Bowden has had a career none of us will ever imagine.  I'm not saying they haven't sucked, but just like JoePa's position at PSU, he should go when he's ready.  Let him stand on the sideline and observe, if that's what he wants.  They didn't have to announce it to the world.  He didn't stay because they made it known to the world that's all he would be doing.  JoePa's been doing it for years, and nobody even thinks twice about it.  He is still perceived as the Head Coach of Penn State. 
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    So much disrespect on here, I'm surprised.  He's the second winningest coach ever!  Bowden has had a career none of us will ever imagine.  I'm not saying they haven't sucked, but just like JoePa's position at PSU, he should go when he's ready.  Let him stand on the sideline and observe, if that's what he wants.  They didn't have to announce it to the world.  He didn't stay because they made it known to the world that's all he would be doing.  JoePa's been doing it for years, and nobody even thinks twice about it.  He is still perceived as the Head Coach of Penn State. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 11:11 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by longhornswin:

    So much disrespect on here, I'm surprised.  He's the second winningest coach ever!  Bowden has had a career none of us will ever imagine.  I'm not saying they haven't sucked, but just like JoePa's position at PSU, he should go when he's ready.  Let him stand on the sideline and observe, if that's what he wants.  They didn't have to announce it to the world.  He didn't stay because they made it known to the world that's all he would be doing.  JoePa's been doing it for years, and nobody even thinks twice about it.  He is still perceived as the Head Coach of Penn State. 

    You cant possibly think having Bowden standing on the sidelines is a good thing. Thats as big of a distraction as it gets. but actually, thats what he does now. How often did he join huddles? SI had a great article about him a couple months ago. Basically, he does NOTHING football related. Just shows up to practice and watches. How long should they endure that? Another 5 years?

    It was time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhornswin:

    So much disrespect on here, I'm surprised.  He's the second winningest coach ever!  Bowden has had a career none of us will ever imagine.  I'm not saying they haven't sucked, but just like JoePa's position at PSU, he should go when he's ready.  Let him stand on the sideline and observe, if that's what he wants.  They didn't have to announce it to the world.  He didn't stay because they made it known to the world that's all he would be doing.  JoePa's been doing it for years, and nobody even thinks twice about it.  He is still perceived as the Head Coach of Penn State. 

    You cant possibly think having Bowden standing on the sidelines is a good thing. Thats as big of a distraction as it gets. but actually, thats what he does now. How often did he join huddles? SI had a great article about him a couple months ago. Basically, he does NOTHING football related. Just shows up to practice and watches. How long should they endure that? Another 5 years?

    It was time.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2009 - 1:22 AM ET #19

    All points made above have merit...one of the most compelling is the one not mentioned: Money...i'm not sure of the year (possibly a year or two ago) Jimbo Fisher was brought in as off coord with the caveat of "Coach in waiting" AND a 5 million clause if jimbo didn't take over. Coach Bowden was well aware of this, we didn't hear all this then.....     
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    All points made above have merit...one of the most compelling is the one not mentioned: Money...i'm not sure of the year (possibly a year or two ago) Jimbo Fisher was brought in as off coord with the caveat of "Coach in waiting" AND a 5 million clause if jimbo didn't take over. Coach Bowden was well aware of this, we didn't hear all this then.....     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by c-money:

    All points made above have merit...one of the most compelling is the one not mentioned: Money...i'm not sure of the year (possibly a year or two ago) Jimbo Fisher was brought in as off coord with the caveat of "Coach in waiting" AND a 5 million clause if jimbo didn't take over. Coach Bowden was well aware of this, we didn't hear all this then.....     

    They would have had to pay him the 5 Mil after next year if Bowden was not gone... But I agree he had to go, he has not cared for a while and it shows... Who kicks a FG on the 2 down by 30?? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by c-money:

    All points made above have merit...one of the most compelling is the one not mentioned: Money...i'm not sure of the year (possibly a year or two ago) Jimbo Fisher was brought in as off coord with the caveat of "Coach in waiting" AND a 5 million clause if jimbo didn't take over. Coach Bowden was well aware of this, we didn't hear all this then.....     

    They would have had to pay him the 5 Mil after next year if Bowden was not gone... But I agree he had to go, he has not cared for a while and it shows... Who kicks a FG on the 2 down by 30?? 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2009 - 1:59 AM ET #21

    okay, how long should he be allowed to stay on the sidelines as a head coach...1 answer...let coach bowden get to 400 wins!!!

    then ask him to leave, have him retire! hes not ready to go...

    so what if florida state isnt competing with recruits of other florida schools, i know its about winning, you guys are a bunch of smartasses, disrespectful when you post, what have you did lately?

    so if you cant say anything nice, dont post, dont answer!

    its not time for coach to go, now he will die sooner than if he stays as coach...this is total bull shit, who cares what the boosters say or wants, did they do all the hard work at the beginning to get the florida state football where it is today...

    i know its about winning and the money from the boosters, but doesnt the university pay the coach, not the boosters?

    anyways, my point, let him coach til he gets 400 wins!!! standing on sidelines as head coach, who gives a damn if he doesnt do anything, hell, thats why you pay 50 assistants...he shouldnt have to do anything...but every one knows every damn thing...

    just because he is old, doesnt mean anything, age doesnt mean a damn thing...thats disrespectful...experience is more important than age...yes, he lost his edge, so what, everyone does...

    look at notre dame...nebraska sucks...miami was on probation...bama is finally back after on probation...at least florida state finished in the top 5 for 14 straight years!!!

    wide rights, wide lefts, its not coaches fault that a kicker misses a fg, remember the minnesota vikings kicker missing that fg to go to the super bowl when randy moss was a rookie or 2nd year...

    lol @ an alabama fan talking shit...who kicks a fg down 30, who cares, just because bama has won 1 to 2 years in a row, you can talk shit on the 2nd winningest coach of all time ???

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    okay, how long should he be allowed to stay on the sidelines as a head coach...1 answer...let coach bowden get to 400 wins!!!

    then ask him to leave, have him retire! hes not ready to go...

    so what if florida state isnt competing with recruits of other florida schools, i know its about winning, you guys are a bunch of smartasses, disrespectful when you post, what have you did lately?

    so if you cant say anything nice, dont post, dont answer!

    its not time for coach to go, now he will die sooner than if he stays as coach...this is total bull shit, who cares what the boosters say or wants, did they do all the hard work at the beginning to get the florida state football where it is today...

    i know its about winning and the money from the boosters, but doesnt the university pay the coach, not the boosters?

    anyways, my point, let him coach til he gets 400 wins!!! standing on sidelines as head coach, who gives a damn if he doesnt do anything, hell, thats why you pay 50 assistants...he shouldnt have to do anything...but every one knows every damn thing...

    just because he is old, doesnt mean anything, age doesnt mean a damn thing...thats disrespectful...experience is more important than age...yes, he lost his edge, so what, everyone does...

    look at notre dame...nebraska sucks...miami was on probation...bama is finally back after on probation...at least florida state finished in the top 5 for 14 straight years!!!

    wide rights, wide lefts, its not coaches fault that a kicker misses a fg, remember the minnesota vikings kicker missing that fg to go to the super bowl when randy moss was a rookie or 2nd year...

    lol @ an alabama fan talking shit...who kicks a fg down 30, who cares, just because bama has won 1 to 2 years in a row, you can talk shit on the 2nd winningest coach of all time ???

     
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    They gave him the option to stay on but with no responsibility at all.. You think a man of his stature is going to do that? Hell no...You asked a damn question and people are giving you answers, so now you have your panties in a wad because you are not getting the answers that you want... The man is old, something is not going right, recruites are starting to look else where this year, someone had to be done... This year next year doesn't matter, he just wanted to catch JoPa and that is not happening now with JoPa having his team back to a 10 win a year team...So before you ask a stupid question next time, stop and think what answers you may get and ask yourself if those answers will be acceptable to you..And for the record I am not talking shit, I am saying Bowden has a it is all about me attitude now and it shows with everything he does.... I have always loved FSU and Bowden, he is from Birmingham, AL, coached at Samford in Birmingham, and almost got the job at Bama after the Bear retired, but they went in the wrong direction...But just because someone has an outstanding record and have done great things for a University that use to be a womens only college doesn't mean he gets a pass. He has let it slip away the last 10 years slowly, and rapidly the last 5... He knew it was time for a change but he loves FSU so much, he just could not let go, and that is understandable, but I think he knows he is doing what is best for the University..
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    They gave him the option to stay on but with no responsibility at all.. You think a man of his stature is going to do that? Hell no...You asked a damn question and people are giving you answers, so now you have your panties in a wad because you are not getting the answers that you want... The man is old, something is not going right, recruites are starting to look else where this year, someone had to be done... This year next year doesn't matter, he just wanted to catch JoPa and that is not happening now with JoPa having his team back to a 10 win a year team...So before you ask a stupid question next time, stop and think what answers you may get and ask yourself if those answers will be acceptable to you..And for the record I am not talking shit, I am saying Bowden has a it is all about me attitude now and it shows with everything he does.... I have always loved FSU and Bowden, he is from Birmingham, AL, coached at Samford in Birmingham, and almost got the job at Bama after the Bear retired, but they went in the wrong direction...But just because someone has an outstanding record and have done great things for a University that use to be a womens only college doesn't mean he gets a pass. He has let it slip away the last 10 years slowly, and rapidly the last 5... He knew it was time for a change but he loves FSU so much, he just could not let go, and that is understandable, but I think he knows he is doing what is best for the University..
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by longhornswin:

    So much disrespect on here, I'm surprised.  He's the second winningest coach ever!  Bowden has had a career none of us will ever imagine.  I'm not saying they haven't sucked, but just like JoePa's position at PSU, he should go when he's ready.  Let him stand on the sideline and observe, if that's what he wants.  They didn't have to announce it to the world.  He didn't stay because they made it known to the world that's all he would be doing.  JoePa's been doing it for years, and nobody even thinks twice about it.  He is still perceived as the Head Coach of Penn State. 

    CORRECTION DUDE BOWDEN IS NOT THE 2nd WINNINGEST COACH NOR IS JOE PATERNO #1 HERE R THE TOP WINNINGESY COACHES:

    Eddie Robinson (Grambling State University)  -  408–165–15
     
    Joe Paterno (Penn State University) - 393-129-3
     
    Bobby Bowden (Florida State University) - 388–141–4
     
    NO DISRESPECT TO BOWDEN BUT HE SHOULD HAVE LEFT 4 YEARS AGO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by longhornswin:

    So much disrespect on here, I'm surprised.  He's the second winningest coach ever!  Bowden has had a career none of us will ever imagine.  I'm not saying they haven't sucked, but just like JoePa's position at PSU, he should go when he's ready.  Let him stand on the sideline and observe, if that's what he wants.  They didn't have to announce it to the world.  He didn't stay because they made it known to the world that's all he would be doing.  JoePa's been doing it for years, and nobody even thinks twice about it.  He is still perceived as the Head Coach of Penn State. 

    CORRECTION DUDE BOWDEN IS NOT THE 2nd WINNINGEST COACH NOR IS JOE PATERNO #1 HERE R THE TOP WINNINGESY COACHES:

    Eddie Robinson (Grambling State University)  -  408–165–15
     
    Joe Paterno (Penn State University) - 393-129-3
     
    Bobby Bowden (Florida State University) - 388–141–4
     
    NO DISRESPECT TO BOWDEN BUT HE SHOULD HAVE LEFT 4 YEARS AGO!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2009 - 9:12 AM ET #24

    He and Paterno deserve respect for their accomplishments, but let's be real. They are both figure heads at this point. Paterno isn't getting as much heat because his program is winning more games.  When alumni $$$ starts dropping, the AD has no choice.  An 80-year-old can't help but be less fervent in recruiting.  No young coach would have kept Andrews(DC) this long. You can't compare Bowden's coaching staff today to that of 10 years ago. he no longer is grooming future head coaches, but riding it out. Jimbo's hire was a hint and the last nail in the coffin. Not a FSU fan, but Bowden is top 5 coaches of all time for me!
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    He and Paterno deserve respect for their accomplishments, but let's be real. They are both figure heads at this point. Paterno isn't getting as much heat because his program is winning more games.  When alumni $$$ starts dropping, the AD has no choice.  An 80-year-old can't help but be less fervent in recruiting.  No young coach would have kept Andrews(DC) this long. You can't compare Bowden's coaching staff today to that of 10 years ago. he no longer is grooming future head coaches, but riding it out. Jimbo's hire was a hint and the last nail in the coffin. Not a FSU fan, but Bowden is top 5 coaches of all time for me!
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2009 - 9:45 AM ET #25

    Its simple 1999 last championship unfortunately your judged for what you've done lately. The past is gone the future is unknown and your responsible for today! No doubt what he HAS done in past speaks high volumebut look in the state of Florida new coach Meyer new championship even Miami won a few yrs past. The last 10yrs is a disgrace under FSU standards who's fault is it a 18 yr old Freshman a 19 yr old sophmore? you cant blame teenagers the blame goes to your fearless leader. The tv analysts have been commenting every week this yr how you can run around corners on FSU when in yrs past never. Look at the NFL players they use to produce now u get 1 if your lucky. Mickey Anrews had that defense great for 20yrs this is the 1st yr he got blasted is his fault for failling offenses the last 10yrs. Everyone is replaceable even the president they change. The bottom line college football is big money for universities and even bigger when you win its one of the bissest revenues they make FSU fans started not showing up in the stands for the 1st time in 20yrs in todays world you can't afford that to happen.
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    Its simple 1999 last championship unfortunately your judged for what you've done lately. The past is gone the future is unknown and your responsible for today! No doubt what he HAS done in past speaks high volumebut look in the state of Florida new coach Meyer new championship even Miami won a few yrs past. The last 10yrs is a disgrace under FSU standards who's fault is it a 18 yr old Freshman a 19 yr old sophmore? you cant blame teenagers the blame goes to your fearless leader. The tv analysts have been commenting every week this yr how you can run around corners on FSU when in yrs past never. Look at the NFL players they use to produce now u get 1 if your lucky. Mickey Anrews had that defense great for 20yrs this is the 1st yr he got blasted is his fault for failling offenses the last 10yrs. Everyone is replaceable even the president they change. The bottom line college football is big money for universities and even bigger when you win its one of the bissest revenues they make FSU fans started not showing up in the stands for the 1st time in 20yrs in todays world you can't afford that to happen.
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