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    WHY in the world are so many Penn State students supporting Paterno?

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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:23 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Did you read the grand jury report? Let me ask you this first, can you read?




    so let me ask you a question?  clearly you must have read my post, or else i presume you wouldn't be responding to it... am i correct in this assumption?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Did you read the grand jury report? Let me ask you this first, can you read?




    so let me ask you a question?  clearly you must have read my post, or else i presume you wouldn't be responding to it... am i correct in this assumption?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:29 PM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:

    Two things you'd never know tonight:

    1) JoePa was one of MANY who failed those victims.

    2) The name of the alleged predator is Jerry Sandusky

    Look, obviously he had to go, but he said he would be stepping down at season's end. Why obliterate his legacy by firing him (through a cowardly phone call, no less)? Penn State was nothing before Paterno arrived. He IS the school.

    The students are way out of line, but the maturity of the "adults" in the situation isn't a whole lot better.




    are you fucking kidding me?  JFen... i've seen your posts around here... you are not stupid enough to make a statement like this...


    i don't give a shit if he says he's going to retire... he doesn't get to control this situation the way he has CONTROLLED EVERY OTHER SITUATION IN HIS WORLD... INCLUDING THE JERRY SANDUSKY SITUATION...

    because for Joe Paterno, it is about Joe before fucking GOD in his mind... that is the way his mentality works, and always has... and THAT is the reason he did not do the right thing when he had the chance to do it...

    and THAT is why he HAS to be fired... heinously... so you send a fucking message to the next guy in this situation that you will NEVER get away with being that kind of scumbag...

    anybody who does not get that Joe Paterno is a fucking scumbag... i just do not get where your brain could possibly be...

    no!  Joe is not the ONLY scumbag... but he is THE GUY at Penn St... he is the only one who really had the clout and the power to bring this to light in a healthy way, and let it get resolved right...

    but he didn't... he made a conscious decision to SAVE HIS OWN ASS!

    that's it!  and for that... you bet your fucking ass he's fired!  and if they had truly allowed him to coach even 1 fucking game (let alone an entire season???)... they would be rioting in the fucking stands...


    you really think they could safely allow 100k fanatical people into a stadium where that situation exists?  fuck no!

    get a clue you guys... start seeing shit for the way it is... it is not ok to be so fucking blind to reality... it's not ok!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:

    Two things you'd never know tonight:

    1) JoePa was one of MANY who failed those victims.

    2) The name of the alleged predator is Jerry Sandusky

    Look, obviously he had to go, but he said he would be stepping down at season's end. Why obliterate his legacy by firing him (through a cowardly phone call, no less)? Penn State was nothing before Paterno arrived. He IS the school.

    The students are way out of line, but the maturity of the "adults" in the situation isn't a whole lot better.




    are you fucking kidding me?  JFen... i've seen your posts around here... you are not stupid enough to make a statement like this...


    i don't give a shit if he says he's going to retire... he doesn't get to control this situation the way he has CONTROLLED EVERY OTHER SITUATION IN HIS WORLD... INCLUDING THE JERRY SANDUSKY SITUATION...

    because for Joe Paterno, it is about Joe before fucking GOD in his mind... that is the way his mentality works, and always has... and THAT is the reason he did not do the right thing when he had the chance to do it...

    and THAT is why he HAS to be fired... heinously... so you send a fucking message to the next guy in this situation that you will NEVER get away with being that kind of scumbag...

    anybody who does not get that Joe Paterno is a fucking scumbag... i just do not get where your brain could possibly be...

    no!  Joe is not the ONLY scumbag... but he is THE GUY at Penn St... he is the only one who really had the clout and the power to bring this to light in a healthy way, and let it get resolved right...

    but he didn't... he made a conscious decision to SAVE HIS OWN ASS!

    that's it!  and for that... you bet your fucking ass he's fired!  and if they had truly allowed him to coach even 1 fucking game (let alone an entire season???)... they would be rioting in the fucking stands...


    you really think they could safely allow 100k fanatical people into a stadium where that situation exists?  fuck no!

    get a clue you guys... start seeing shit for the way it is... it is not ok to be so fucking blind to reality... it's not ok!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:54 PM ET #78

    Ice4Blood-

    I couldn't have said it better myself-

    JFEn- WTF? You used to have my respect but how can you think the way you are thinking?

    Let's say we give Joe Pa the benefit of the doubt:

    In summary-1994 rumors of him being involved with young children.

    1998- He is investigated but not charged

    2002- Let's just say McCreary only told Joe they were "horsing around in the shower naked"

    After all this you don't think Joe Pa should have said- FUCK YOU SANDUSKY- and distanced himself as far as he could from the guy?

    Fast foward to DEC 2010- Paterno testifies before the Grand Jury- at this time he KNOWS Sandusky is a pedophile-

    Yet- Sandusky continues to visit campus, visit practices, and still workout at the football facilities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What excuse do you have for that JFEN? None because there is no excuse- you distance yourself from this pedophile way before this point yet JOE PA DID NOT!

     

     

     

     

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    Ice4Blood-

    I couldn't have said it better myself-

    JFEn- WTF? You used to have my respect but how can you think the way you are thinking?

    Let's say we give Joe Pa the benefit of the doubt:

    In summary-1994 rumors of him being involved with young children.

    1998- He is investigated but not charged

    2002- Let's just say McCreary only told Joe they were "horsing around in the shower naked"

    After all this you don't think Joe Pa should have said- FUCK YOU SANDUSKY- and distanced himself as far as he could from the guy?

    Fast foward to DEC 2010- Paterno testifies before the Grand Jury- at this time he KNOWS Sandusky is a pedophile-

    Yet- Sandusky continues to visit campus, visit practices, and still workout at the football facilities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What excuse do you have for that JFEN? None because there is no excuse- you distance yourself from this pedophile way before this point yet JOE PA DID NOT!

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 1:58 PM ET #79

    blowout...



    not trying to pick on JFen... i generally expect his positions, but he could not possibly be more off base here, and it is really starting to piss me off that people are so convoluted in the way they are looking at this event...
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    blowout...



    not trying to pick on JFen... i generally expect his positions, but he could not possibly be more off base here, and it is really starting to piss me off that people are so convoluted in the way they are looking at this event...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 2:13 PM ET #80

    JFEN-

    To quote you" Why obliterate his legacy?"

    Have you lost your mind? Because the man knew and didn't do anything but tell the AD whom he had control over anyway. He didn't distance himself from Sandusky.

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    JFEN-

    To quote you" Why obliterate his legacy?"

    Have you lost your mind? Because the man knew and didn't do anything but tell the AD whom he had control over anyway. He didn't distance himself from Sandusky.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 2:54 PM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:




    are you fucking kidding me?  JFen... i've seen your posts around here... you are not stupid enough to make a statement like this...


    i don't give a shit if he says he's going to retire... he doesn't get to control this situation the way he has CONTROLLED EVERY OTHER SITUATION IN HIS WORLD... INCLUDING THE JERRY SANDUSKY SITUATION...

    because for Joe Paterno, it is about Joe before fucking GOD in his mind... that is the way his mentality works, and always has... and THAT is the reason he did not do the right thing when he had the chance to do it...

    and THAT is why he HAS to be fired... heinously... so you send a fucking message to the next guy in this situation that you will NEVER get away with being that kind of scumbag...

    anybody who does not get that Joe Paterno is a fucking scumbag... i just do not get where your brain could possibly be...

    no!  Joe is not the ONLY scumbag... but he is THE GUY at Penn St... he is the only one who really had the clout and the power to bring this to light in a healthy way, and let it get resolved right...

    but he didn't... he made a conscious decision to SAVE HIS OWN ASS!

    that's it!  and for that... you bet your fucking ass he's fired!  and if they had truly allowed him to coach even 1 fucking game (let alone an entire season???)... they would be rioting in the fucking stands...


    you really think they could safely allow 100k fanatical people into a stadium where that situation exists?  fuck no!

    get a clue you guys... start seeing shit for the way it is... it is not ok to be so fucking blind to reality... it's not ok!

    Absolutely 1000% spot on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:




    are you fucking kidding me?  JFen... i've seen your posts around here... you are not stupid enough to make a statement like this...


    i don't give a shit if he says he's going to retire... he doesn't get to control this situation the way he has CONTROLLED EVERY OTHER SITUATION IN HIS WORLD... INCLUDING THE JERRY SANDUSKY SITUATION...

    because for Joe Paterno, it is about Joe before fucking GOD in his mind... that is the way his mentality works, and always has... and THAT is the reason he did not do the right thing when he had the chance to do it...

    and THAT is why he HAS to be fired... heinously... so you send a fucking message to the next guy in this situation that you will NEVER get away with being that kind of scumbag...

    anybody who does not get that Joe Paterno is a fucking scumbag... i just do not get where your brain could possibly be...

    no!  Joe is not the ONLY scumbag... but he is THE GUY at Penn St... he is the only one who really had the clout and the power to bring this to light in a healthy way, and let it get resolved right...

    but he didn't... he made a conscious decision to SAVE HIS OWN ASS!

    that's it!  and for that... you bet your fucking ass he's fired!  and if they had truly allowed him to coach even 1 fucking game (let alone an entire season???)... they would be rioting in the fucking stands...


    you really think they could safely allow 100k fanatical people into a stadium where that situation exists?  fuck no!

    get a clue you guys... start seeing shit for the way it is... it is not ok to be so fucking blind to reality... it's not ok!

    Absolutely 1000% spot on

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 2:56 PM ET #82

    From NESN:

    In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.

    On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.

    What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.

    "I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

    After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.

    "I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"

    Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.

    "The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

    "My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

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    From NESN:

    In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.

    On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.

    What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.

    "I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

    After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.

    "I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"

    Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.

    "The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

    "My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 3:05 PM ET #83

    The 2000 students protesting last night are without a doubt the most uneducated bunch of baffoons I have ever seen. And they go to Penn St. Christ almighty. I am baffled and feel sorry for the stupidity in this thread. Sad that homers and jackasses whose heads are in the clouds can make such stupid misinformed comments and not see the BIG PICTURE. Nobody went to the defense of innocent young kids when there were MULTIPLE opportunities to minimize/stop what was going on. Pretty sad and all involved should be disgraced as human beings.
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    The 2000 students protesting last night are without a doubt the most uneducated bunch of baffoons I have ever seen. And they go to Penn St. Christ almighty. I am baffled and feel sorry for the stupidity in this thread. Sad that homers and jackasses whose heads are in the clouds can make such stupid misinformed comments and not see the BIG PICTURE. Nobody went to the defense of innocent young kids when there were MULTIPLE opportunities to minimize/stop what was going on. Pretty sad and all involved should be disgraced as human beings.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 3:56 PM ET #84

    Send them all to prison and make sure they are with the general population.  Then hopefully they can feel what it is like to get a dick up their Happy Valley. 
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    Send them all to prison and make sure they are with the general population.  Then hopefully they can feel what it is like to get a dick up their Happy Valley. 
     
     
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    Pokesmot... i heard a recounting of the timeline of events on late night sports radio last night, and was pretty appalled...

    after the first reported incident, Sandusky was out as DC and also out as heir apparent to Paterno, but he was still allowed to keep an office in the locker room... after the second reported incident, his office was taken away, but he was still allowed to run camps in affiliation with Penn St football...

    let me interject here... after the second incident, any claims by Joe Pa or Spanier or anybody else that they didn't realize the severity or truth of the situation... is total fucking bullshit!  i truly want to beat the shit out of anyone who makes that claim, it is so utterly ridiculous!

    finally, after further reports began to surface more recently, PSU cut all ties with Sandusky, and has started to "own up" to the events that took place all the way back into the mid 90's...

    however, they still don't have the decency or humility or integrity to just come clean and help those most hurt by all of this to get some closure and resolution... (and no, Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky and Joe Spanier... you are NOT the victims in this)...


    i know Joe Pa did so many great things for football and community and university... but i cannot suppress the hatred i have for the vileness of the actions of these people...

    this is the work of a fraternal establishment, and it is thoroughly ironic that all of these PSU students (who mostly represent the lower and middle class of this nation), are so utterly blind to what it is that they are supporting...
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    Pokesmot... i heard a recounting of the timeline of events on late night sports radio last night, and was pretty appalled...

    after the first reported incident, Sandusky was out as DC and also out as heir apparent to Paterno, but he was still allowed to keep an office in the locker room... after the second reported incident, his office was taken away, but he was still allowed to run camps in affiliation with Penn St football...

    let me interject here... after the second incident, any claims by Joe Pa or Spanier or anybody else that they didn't realize the severity or truth of the situation... is total fucking bullshit!  i truly want to beat the shit out of anyone who makes that claim, it is so utterly ridiculous!

    finally, after further reports began to surface more recently, PSU cut all ties with Sandusky, and has started to "own up" to the events that took place all the way back into the mid 90's...

    however, they still don't have the decency or humility or integrity to just come clean and help those most hurt by all of this to get some closure and resolution... (and no, Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky and Joe Spanier... you are NOT the victims in this)...


    i know Joe Pa did so many great things for football and community and university... but i cannot suppress the hatred i have for the vileness of the actions of these people...

    this is the work of a fraternal establishment, and it is thoroughly ironic that all of these PSU students (who mostly represent the lower and middle class of this nation), are so utterly blind to what it is that they are supporting...
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