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    scalabrine
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2017 - 1:33 AM ET #251

    ECU - All that has to be noted was your bold statement about questioning their run defense a few pages back. And was it ever worth the question...

    422 yards rushing. Instead of a 4-1 day I eat juice and go 3-2.

    What are your thoughts on ECU going forward?

    What's really bothering me was that I ignored their wins last year: W Carolina (Trash), NC State (in a season of struggle) and UConn (where they were starting a freshman QB for his first start ever as Diaco looked to get fired).

    That's just one win of note (NC State) after throwing out Uconn and W Carolina for Montgomery with a terrible ATS record on the season and a loss but a decent showing against South Carolina and that's it.

    That's all Montgomery gave us. And then I find myself gung ho about them vs. JMU? And they never had a chance.

    I'm quite disgusted with myself to go so wrong on this game. Your post-game analysis if any on this game?

    The West Virginia line will be enormous so no chance to fade them.
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    ECU - All that has to be noted was your bold statement about questioning their run defense a few pages back. And was it ever worth the question...

    422 yards rushing. Instead of a 4-1 day I eat juice and go 3-2.

    What are your thoughts on ECU going forward?

    What's really bothering me was that I ignored their wins last year: W Carolina (Trash), NC State (in a season of struggle) and UConn (where they were starting a freshman QB for his first start ever as Diaco looked to get fired).

    That's just one win of note (NC State) after throwing out Uconn and W Carolina for Montgomery with a terrible ATS record on the season and a loss but a decent showing against South Carolina and that's it.

    That's all Montgomery gave us. And then I find myself gung ho about them vs. JMU? And they never had a chance.

    I'm quite disgusted with myself to go so wrong on this game. Your post-game analysis if any on this game?

    The West Virginia line will be enormous so no chance to fade them.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2017 - 9:26 AM ET #252

    scalabrine,     Yeh,  I took a hit on that one also.  Not trying to speak for TD but J. Mad. may just be that good.  Should be getting generous pts. next week @W. Virg.   Don't think they'll be favored in any game until Nov.

    Stay hard,   Doc
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    scalabrine,     Yeh,  I took a hit on that one also.  Not trying to speak for TD but J. Mad. may just be that good.  Should be getting generous pts. next week @W. Virg.   Don't think they'll be favored in any game until Nov.

    Stay hard,   Doc
     
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2017 - 10:14 AM ET #253

    Quote Originally Posted by gogirl:

    Anyone have any thoughts on UCLA and Texas A& M

    Personally, I am completely done for week 1 unless something catches my attention for in-game / 2nd half.

    Solely focused on getting ready for week 2 lines at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogirl:

    Anyone have any thoughts on UCLA and Texas A& M

    Personally, I am completely done for week 1 unless something catches my attention for in-game / 2nd half.

    Solely focused on getting ready for week 2 lines at the moment.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2017 - 10:17 AM ET #254

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    ECU - All that has to be noted was your bold statement about questioning their run defense a few pages back. And was it ever worth the question...

    422 yards rushing. Instead of a 4-1 day I eat juice and go 3-2.

    What are your thoughts on ECU going forward?

    What's really bothering me was that I ignored their wins last year: W Carolina (Trash), NC State (in a season of struggle) and UConn (where they were starting a freshman QB for his first start ever as Diaco looked to get fired).

    That's just one win of note (NC State) after throwing out Uconn and W Carolina for Montgomery with a terrible ATS record on the season and a loss but a decent showing against South Carolina and that's it.

    That's all Montgomery gave us. And then I find myself gung ho about them vs. JMU? And they never had a chance.

    I'm quite disgusted with myself to go so wrong on this game. Your post-game analysis if any on this game?

    The West Virginia line will be enormous so no chance to fade them.

    Scal, will get back to some thoughts on this game this afternoon or tonight.  ... that was a rough one on an otherwise great weekend.  Wish I'd have gone more on the Total than the side when I added to my original plays on this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    ECU - All that has to be noted was your bold statement about questioning their run defense a few pages back. And was it ever worth the question...

    422 yards rushing. Instead of a 4-1 day I eat juice and go 3-2.

    What are your thoughts on ECU going forward?

    What's really bothering me was that I ignored their wins last year: W Carolina (Trash), NC State (in a season of struggle) and UConn (where they were starting a freshman QB for his first start ever as Diaco looked to get fired).

    That's just one win of note (NC State) after throwing out Uconn and W Carolina for Montgomery with a terrible ATS record on the season and a loss but a decent showing against South Carolina and that's it.

    That's all Montgomery gave us. And then I find myself gung ho about them vs. JMU? And they never had a chance.

    I'm quite disgusted with myself to go so wrong on this game. Your post-game analysis if any on this game?

    The West Virginia line will be enormous so no chance to fade them.

    Scal, will get back to some thoughts on this game this afternoon or tonight.  ... that was a rough one on an otherwise great weekend.  Wish I'd have gone more on the Total than the side when I added to my original plays on this game.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2017 - 2:25 PM ET #255

    thanks.  gl the rest of the season
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    thanks.  gl the rest of the season
     
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2017 - 3:36 PM ET #256

    Lol. Yes concentrate on week 2. By god, you've done enough damage in week 1. Give the books a breather.

    Does the money you make off this supplement your professional income? Or do you do it as a hobby.

    Mine is a hobby and because of that I find it relaxing, but the breadth of the detail in the caps and general power ratings you've posted into this leads me to believe you are making significant income off this.


    How long have you been capping?



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    Lol. Yes concentrate on week 2. By god, you've done enough damage in week 1. Give the books a breather.

    Does the money you make off this supplement your professional income? Or do you do it as a hobby.

    Mine is a hobby and because of that I find it relaxing, but the breadth of the detail in the caps and general power ratings you've posted into this leads me to believe you are making significant income off this.


    How long have you been capping?



     
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2017 - 9:27 PM ET #257

    Finally getting around to a Week 1 recap:

    Week 1 card:   31-8-1 Overall,  +16.8 units

    >1 unit plays:  5-0-1
    Boston College -3 (2.5u)  PUSH
    Boston College / Northern Illinois Under 46.5 (1u) & Under 51 (1u) -- 2u total  WIN
    BYU / LSU Under 48 (2u)  WIN
    Portland State +31,+32, +34.5, & +36 -- 1.5u total  WIN
    UAB / Alabama A&M Under 63.5 (0.5u), Under 61.5 (0.5u) & Under 61 (0.25u)  -- 1.25u overall  WIN
    Liberty +31  (0.5u), +29 (0.25u), +30.5 (0.25) & +31.5 (0.25u) -- 1.25u overall  WIN

    1 unit plays:  6-1
    Jacksonville State -2.5 (1u)  WIN
    Buffalo +28 (1u)  WIN
    Rutgers +31.5 -115 (1u)  WIN
    Boston College -2.5 (1u) WIN
    Florida State / Alabama Under 53 (1u)  WIN
    Texas Tech -7 (hook) (0.5u) & -9.5 (0.25u) & Texas Tech -7 (0.25u) -- 1u total  WIN
    East Carolina  +6  (0.25u), PK (0.25u), & +7 (0.5u) -- 1u total  LOSS

    0.75 units:  2-2
    Portland State / BYU Under 61, U60, U59.5 (0.25u each)  WIN
    Colorado State +8.5  (0.75u)  (vs. Colorado)  LOSS
    Ohio State / Indiana Under 53 (0.5u) & Under 55 (0.25u)  LOSS
    Troy +12.5 -112  (0.75u)  WIN

    0.5 units:  9-3
    Utah -20.5 -130 & -16.5 (0.25u each) -- 0.5u total  WIN
    Utah / North Dakota Under 60  WIN
    Delaware -33  LOSS
    Pittsburgh -13.5 -130 (0.25u) & Pittsburgh -13 (0.25u) -- 0.5u total  LOSS
    Indiana team total under 18  LOSS
    Kansas State -25.5  WIN
    UAB -9.5  WIN
    Eastern Kentucky +39  WIN
    7 point teaser: Alabama -0.5 with Alabama/Florida State Under 56.5  WIN
    James Madison / East Carolina Under 71  WIN
    Tulane -19 (0.25u) & Tulane -16.5 (0.25u)  -- (0.5u total)  WIN
    Liberty +20.5 2nd half  WIN

    0.25 units:  9-2
    San Jose State team total Under 24.5  WIN
    Utah / North Dakota Under 28.5 2nd half  WIN
    McNeese State -1.5  LOSS
    Tennessee-Martin -32.5  WIN
    Missouri State +35.5  WIN
    William & Mary +28 (0.25u)  WIN
    Jackson State +64.5 (0.25u)  WIN
    Florida State team total Under 21.5  WIN
    WMU / USC Under 59.5  LOSS
    Montana State +38  WIN
    TCU -21 2nd half  WIN

    UDML:  -0.25u
    East Carolina ML +230 (risking 0.25u)  LOSS

    UDML parlay:  -0.05u
    Colorado State +225 (vs. Colorado) with Troy +350   (pays +1363)  LOSS
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    Finally getting around to a Week 1 recap:

    Week 1 card:   31-8-1 Overall,  +16.8 units

    >1 unit plays:  5-0-1
    Boston College -3 (2.5u)  PUSH
    Boston College / Northern Illinois Under 46.5 (1u) & Under 51 (1u) -- 2u total  WIN
    BYU / LSU Under 48 (2u)  WIN
    Portland State +31,+32, +34.5, & +36 -- 1.5u total  WIN
    UAB / Alabama A&M Under 63.5 (0.5u), Under 61.5 (0.5u) & Under 61 (0.25u)  -- 1.25u overall  WIN
    Liberty +31  (0.5u), +29 (0.25u), +30.5 (0.25) & +31.5 (0.25u) -- 1.25u overall  WIN

    1 unit plays:  6-1
    Jacksonville State -2.5 (1u)  WIN
    Buffalo +28 (1u)  WIN
    Rutgers +31.5 -115 (1u)  WIN
    Boston College -2.5 (1u) WIN
    Florida State / Alabama Under 53 (1u)  WIN
    Texas Tech -7 (hook) (0.5u) & -9.5 (0.25u) & Texas Tech -7 (0.25u) -- 1u total  WIN
    East Carolina  +6  (0.25u), PK (0.25u), & +7 (0.5u) -- 1u total  LOSS

    0.75 units:  2-2
    Portland State / BYU Under 61, U60, U59.5 (0.25u each)  WIN
    Colorado State +8.5  (0.75u)  (vs. Colorado)  LOSS
    Ohio State / Indiana Under 53 (0.5u) & Under 55 (0.25u)  LOSS
    Troy +12.5 -112  (0.75u)  WIN

    0.5 units:  9-3
    Utah -20.5 -130 & -16.5 (0.25u each) -- 0.5u total  WIN
    Utah / North Dakota Under 60  WIN
    Delaware -33  LOSS
    Pittsburgh -13.5 -130 (0.25u) & Pittsburgh -13 (0.25u) -- 0.5u total  LOSS
    Indiana team total under 18  LOSS
    Kansas State -25.5  WIN
    UAB -9.5  WIN
    Eastern Kentucky +39  WIN
    7 point teaser: Alabama -0.5 with Alabama/Florida State Under 56.5  WIN
    James Madison / East Carolina Under 71  WIN
    Tulane -19 (0.25u) & Tulane -16.5 (0.25u)  -- (0.5u total)  WIN
    Liberty +20.5 2nd half  WIN

    0.25 units:  9-2
    San Jose State team total Under 24.5  WIN
    Utah / North Dakota Under 28.5 2nd half  WIN
    McNeese State -1.5  LOSS
    Tennessee-Martin -32.5  WIN
    Missouri State +35.5  WIN
    William & Mary +28 (0.25u)  WIN
    Jackson State +64.5 (0.25u)  WIN
    Florida State team total Under 21.5  WIN
    WMU / USC Under 59.5  LOSS
    Montana State +38  WIN
    TCU -21 2nd half  WIN

    UDML:  -0.25u
    East Carolina ML +230 (risking 0.25u)  LOSS

    UDML parlay:  -0.05u
    Colorado State +225 (vs. Colorado) with Troy +350   (pays +1363)  LOSS
     
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2017 - 10:42 PM ET #258

    Lol. Yes concentrate on week 2. By god, you've done enough damage in week 1. Give the books a breather.

    Does the money you make off this supplement your professional income?  Not part of the family earning plan, will say it that way.  I do well and come out ahead.  Extra $ to the bank account helps, but I'm not going to quit my day job.  Or do you do it as a hobby.  $ wise, its a hobby.  BUT, if you haven't noticed I take this very seriously, almost like a 2nd job.  Some day, when my kids are all grown up & out of the house, I wouldn't mind trying it from LV again and see how I do for supplemental income.  But that is many years away..... just hope I live that long.

    Mine is a hobby and because of that I find it relaxing, but the breadth of the detail in the caps and general power ratings you've posted into this leads me to believe you are making significant income off this.


    How long have you been capping?
    Officially, since 2011.  My real world engineering job took me to Las Vegas in late 2010.  If you've ever driven from Las Vegas to L.A. on I-15, I worked as a Mechanical Engineer on the big solar power plant Ivanpah at the state line (near Primm).

    Unofficially, in about 4th/5th grade or so I won the ol E-burg Daily Record weekly picks contest.  Name in the paper and everything -- head coach D's son wins weekly contest.

    Probably worth noting -- coach's son.  My Dad passed away in 2013, but prior to that was a 30+ year coaching veteran at both small college and D1 power conference schools.  Growing up I was the little kid that rode the team bus to every game.  Great memories.  I know the game and what I'm looking at schematically.  Know a lot of coaches and their tendencies / style of play, etc.  Now mostly Mom just keeps in touch with the other coaches wives.  

    Coach's son and analytical mind (engineer - good with #s) are a pretty good combination if you ask me to have a chance at this capping business.

    Take care, Scal.  Look forward to discussing some more CFB with you.

    TD


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    Lol. Yes concentrate on week 2. By god, you've done enough damage in week 1. Give the books a breather.

    Does the money you make off this supplement your professional income?  Not part of the family earning plan, will say it that way.  I do well and come out ahead.  Extra $ to the bank account helps, but I'm not going to quit my day job.  Or do you do it as a hobby.  $ wise, its a hobby.  BUT, if you haven't noticed I take this very seriously, almost like a 2nd job.  Some day, when my kids are all grown up & out of the house, I wouldn't mind trying it from LV again and see how I do for supplemental income.  But that is many years away..... just hope I live that long.

    Mine is a hobby and because of that I find it relaxing, but the breadth of the detail in the caps and general power ratings you've posted into this leads me to believe you are making significant income off this.


    How long have you been capping?
    Officially, since 2011.  My real world engineering job took me to Las Vegas in late 2010.  If you've ever driven from Las Vegas to L.A. on I-15, I worked as a Mechanical Engineer on the big solar power plant Ivanpah at the state line (near Primm).

    Unofficially, in about 4th/5th grade or so I won the ol E-burg Daily Record weekly picks contest.  Name in the paper and everything -- head coach D's son wins weekly contest.

    Probably worth noting -- coach's son.  My Dad passed away in 2013, but prior to that was a 30+ year coaching veteran at both small college and D1 power conference schools.  Growing up I was the little kid that rode the team bus to every game.  Great memories.  I know the game and what I'm looking at schematically.  Know a lot of coaches and their tendencies / style of play, etc.  Now mostly Mom just keeps in touch with the other coaches wives.  

    Coach's son and analytical mind (engineer - good with #s) are a pretty good combination if you ask me to have a chance at this capping business.

    Take care, Scal.  Look forward to discussing some more CFB with you.

    TD


     
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    Wow!
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    Wow!
     
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    TD - I can't believe you've only been capping since 11' although with your background both family and professionally I guess I can believe it!!  Anyway, cool read, thanks for sharing. Keep up the great work and again as I posted before thanks for what you do and thanks for sharing with your Covers Brothers 

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    TD - I can't believe you've only been capping since 11' although with your background both family and professionally I guess I can believe it!!  Anyway, cool read, thanks for sharing. Keep up the great work and again as I posted before thanks for what you do and thanks for sharing with your Covers Brothers 

     
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    TD before you read anything else I want to make it super clear that this is only meant to be helpful or informational, one poster potentially helping another as this site was intended, and not intended to be critical in any manner . I fully realize that people choose to exclude certain games from their records such as parlays or live plays, and in the case of what I think I found it’s only reducing your positive units, so in no way am I being critical, calling you out, etc.!!  Just wanted to say that up front so there is absolutely no way to misinterpret this, just more stumbled on it because I was so impressed with what you had done. I was messing around on Saturday night after my family went to sleep and calculated your W/L and units won (from post #244) and got 31-9 & 17.75 units not knowing what you had put on the parlay (later saw .05 units) which would reduce it to 17.70 units. When I saw the record and numbers you posted in post #259 I wondered if I made a mistake, I work with numbers for a living, was an auditor in a past life, so stuff like this would keep me up at night, so I double checked it and I see a couple things: there are 2 extra games in post #259 that weren’t in post #244 (ABSOLUTELY not doubting your integrity as the net of the 2 games is a -.25, so again to you or anyone else please don’t misinterpret my intention, purely informational in a positive way). So, I’m not sure if you’re excluding your parlay or your live 2nd half bets that day from your record or your units total but I figured since I went through and took the time to do the work I would post it up and if it’s helpful great and if it’s annoying then PLEASE IGNORE IT, this is what I got totaling everything including the parlay and 2 live bets: 31-10-1 +17.45 Units.

     

    Again thanks for what you do , it's posters like you  that have helped turn me from a lifetime .500 player into a winner the last 5 years and I truly appreciate it. I wasn’t having a bad day but wasn’t having a good one either and I blind tailed you on 2 bets at the end that put me over the top for a pretty decent payout  and then hit both my Sunday plays  and my Monday play  so you helped me turn a ho-hum week into a very nice start to the year 

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    TD before you read anything else I want to make it super clear that this is only meant to be helpful or informational, one poster potentially helping another as this site was intended, and not intended to be critical in any manner . I fully realize that people choose to exclude certain games from their records such as parlays or live plays, and in the case of what I think I found it’s only reducing your positive units, so in no way am I being critical, calling you out, etc.!!  Just wanted to say that up front so there is absolutely no way to misinterpret this, just more stumbled on it because I was so impressed with what you had done. I was messing around on Saturday night after my family went to sleep and calculated your W/L and units won (from post #244) and got 31-9 & 17.75 units not knowing what you had put on the parlay (later saw .05 units) which would reduce it to 17.70 units. When I saw the record and numbers you posted in post #259 I wondered if I made a mistake, I work with numbers for a living, was an auditor in a past life, so stuff like this would keep me up at night, so I double checked it and I see a couple things: there are 2 extra games in post #259 that weren’t in post #244 (ABSOLUTELY not doubting your integrity as the net of the 2 games is a -.25, so again to you or anyone else please don’t misinterpret my intention, purely informational in a positive way). So, I’m not sure if you’re excluding your parlay or your live 2nd half bets that day from your record or your units total but I figured since I went through and took the time to do the work I would post it up and if it’s helpful great and if it’s annoying then PLEASE IGNORE IT, this is what I got totaling everything including the parlay and 2 live bets: 31-10-1 +17.45 Units.

     

    Again thanks for what you do , it's posters like you  that have helped turn me from a lifetime .500 player into a winner the last 5 years and I truly appreciate it. I wasn’t having a bad day but wasn’t having a good one either and I blind tailed you on 2 bets at the end that put me over the top for a pretty decent payout  and then hit both my Sunday plays  and my Monday play  so you helped me turn a ho-hum week into a very nice start to the year 

     
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    Grind, saw your post.  I'll try to respond tonight after work in more detail.  BUT, only if you promise to keep the rest of the forum THIS honest.  Might be a full time job, I wouldn't do it.

    I export every wager from 5D and BOL to excel, add it up.  Some (most) of the FCS vs. FBS and college extra losses are -120 unless I bet it on game day then -110.  That may be one thing you didn't incorporate.

    I don't count UDML or UDML parlays in my win loss record.  But I do include those plays in the units won / lost.  Just keep a season running total for $ on those UDML plays.
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    Grind, saw your post.  I'll try to respond tonight after work in more detail.  BUT, only if you promise to keep the rest of the forum THIS honest.  Might be a full time job, I wouldn't do it.

    I export every wager from 5D and BOL to excel, add it up.  Some (most) of the FCS vs. FBS and college extra losses are -120 unless I bet it on game day then -110.  That may be one thing you didn't incorporate.

    I don't count UDML or UDML parlays in my win loss record.  But I do include those plays in the units won / lost.  Just keep a season running total for $ on those UDML plays.
     
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    Nice bro ... congrats ... keep rolling bud !
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    Nice bro ... congrats ... keep rolling bud !
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    ECU - All that has to be noted was your bold statement about questioning their run defense a few pages back. And was it ever worth the question...

    422 yards rushing. Instead of a 4-1 day I eat juice and go 3-2.

    What are your thoughts on ECU going forward?

    What's really bothering me was that I ignored their wins last year: W Carolina (Trash), NC State (in a season of struggle) and UConn (where they were starting a freshman QB for his first start ever as Diaco looked to get fired).

    That's just one win of note (NC State) after throwing out Uconn and W Carolina for Montgomery with a terrible ATS record on the season and a loss but a decent showing against South Carolina and that's it.

    That's all Montgomery gave us. And then I find myself gung ho about them vs. JMU? And they never had a chance.

    I'm quite disgusted with myself to go so wrong on this game. Your post-game analysis if any on this game?

    The West Virginia line will be enormous so no chance to fade them.

    Scal,
        Finally getting back to you.  .... ECU definitely needs to show some pride before I'll consider backing them again in the right spot.
         I was able to watch the game on & off on espn3 (saw most of the first half).  I felt ok really at halftime even though down 7-0.  I missed the opening play of the 2nd half.  85 yrd TD run... really?
        And they were still in the game after that.... drive the field down 14-0, Sirk throws what initially looks like a touchdown, but the CB comes down with the ball; just made a play and the WR wasn't able to "seize the moment" on that one.  Gotta make a big / key play from time to time, it's part of competition.  They got the ball back after a JMU turnover, did then cut it to 14-7.  Still down 14-7, ECU drove to the JMU 33 and couldn't convert on 4th down.  Kinda done / losing any momentum/hope at that point when JMU took it down to score (21-7).  If not done already, really done when they drive again into JMU territory and can't convert in the red zone (stopped on downs at the JMU 20).  Very next play - 80 yard TD run.  Game over!

    I re-read my original post on this game.  Should have taken my own advice / caution.  ECU run defense was a concern going in.  I talked myself into the Secondary being a strength vs. the inexperienced WR corps (further aided by the suspensions) that this would allow the DC to put 8 in the box and have another safety help with stopping the run.  But the big plays killed them.  3 runs of 85, 80, & 70 yards.  187 rushing yards on the other 41 carries (still a decent 4.56 ypc).  So going forward I think ECU will have problems stopping the run / stopping big plays until proven otherwise.  I was also buying the ECU needs this game worse than JMU angle for motivation.  And I knew JMU was solid on defense as mentioned in the original post, but really thought they'd take more of a step back on offense. Schor is pretty solid at QB and they seem fine on offense again. 

    I think the line movement fcked with our heads too.  I had to grab a little on that opening +6 thinking it wouldn't be back.  Off the board at about +4.5  Then the suspensions & ECU QB situation before it ever comes back on the board.  Some time around then I did a half a s s job of coming up with what I thought was a fair line (prior to incorporating suspensions): around +4.  With suspensions closer to PK.  When it went from +4.5 to off to PK, then back to +8.5 on game day, everyone's eyes got real big.

    In general, I am surprised most of the Saturday Vegas lines are so high for FBS vs. FCS.  I am surprised there are not more players in town that would back the FCS dogs.  I still think the Betonline & 5D of the world just hit the reset button and copy the LV casinos for gameday lines on these FBS vs. FCS games.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    ECU - All that has to be noted was your bold statement about questioning their run defense a few pages back. And was it ever worth the question...

    422 yards rushing. Instead of a 4-1 day I eat juice and go 3-2.

    What are your thoughts on ECU going forward?

    What's really bothering me was that I ignored their wins last year: W Carolina (Trash), NC State (in a season of struggle) and UConn (where they were starting a freshman QB for his first start ever as Diaco looked to get fired).

    That's just one win of note (NC State) after throwing out Uconn and W Carolina for Montgomery with a terrible ATS record on the season and a loss but a decent showing against South Carolina and that's it.

    That's all Montgomery gave us. And then I find myself gung ho about them vs. JMU? And they never had a chance.

    I'm quite disgusted with myself to go so wrong on this game. Your post-game analysis if any on this game?

    The West Virginia line will be enormous so no chance to fade them.

    Scal,
        Finally getting back to you.  .... ECU definitely needs to show some pride before I'll consider backing them again in the right spot.
         I was able to watch the game on & off on espn3 (saw most of the first half).  I felt ok really at halftime even though down 7-0.  I missed the opening play of the 2nd half.  85 yrd TD run... really?
        And they were still in the game after that.... drive the field down 14-0, Sirk throws what initially looks like a touchdown, but the CB comes down with the ball; just made a play and the WR wasn't able to "seize the moment" on that one.  Gotta make a big / key play from time to time, it's part of competition.  They got the ball back after a JMU turnover, did then cut it to 14-7.  Still down 14-7, ECU drove to the JMU 33 and couldn't convert on 4th down.  Kinda done / losing any momentum/hope at that point when JMU took it down to score (21-7).  If not done already, really done when they drive again into JMU territory and can't convert in the red zone (stopped on downs at the JMU 20).  Very next play - 80 yard TD run.  Game over!

    I re-read my original post on this game.  Should have taken my own advice / caution.  ECU run defense was a concern going in.  I talked myself into the Secondary being a strength vs. the inexperienced WR corps (further aided by the suspensions) that this would allow the DC to put 8 in the box and have another safety help with stopping the run.  But the big plays killed them.  3 runs of 85, 80, & 70 yards.  187 rushing yards on the other 41 carries (still a decent 4.56 ypc).  So going forward I think ECU will have problems stopping the run / stopping big plays until proven otherwise.  I was also buying the ECU needs this game worse than JMU angle for motivation.  And I knew JMU was solid on defense as mentioned in the original post, but really thought they'd take more of a step back on offense. Schor is pretty solid at QB and they seem fine on offense again. 

    I think the line movement fcked with our heads too.  I had to grab a little on that opening +6 thinking it wouldn't be back.  Off the board at about +4.5  Then the suspensions & ECU QB situation before it ever comes back on the board.  Some time around then I did a half a s s job of coming up with what I thought was a fair line (prior to incorporating suspensions): around +4.  With suspensions closer to PK.  When it went from +4.5 to off to PK, then back to +8.5 on game day, everyone's eyes got real big.

    In general, I am surprised most of the Saturday Vegas lines are so high for FBS vs. FCS.  I am surprised there are not more players in town that would back the FCS dogs.  I still think the Betonline & 5D of the world just hit the reset button and copy the LV casinos for gameday lines on these FBS vs. FCS games.  
     
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    Good stuff TD!

    Good luck this week!
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    Good stuff TD!

    Good luck this week!
     
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    Grind, haven't forgot about you.  Will have to be another night.  Not enough time tonight.
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    Grind, haven't forgot about you.  Will have to be another night.  Not enough time tonight.
     
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    FANTASTIC WORK BROTHER 


    It has been all off season working together ...

    APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HELP 


    Feels Great to be out to a good start 


    BEST OF LUCK BROTHER ,,,,


    WE GOT THIS ...KLETS STACK COINS AND ENJOY OUR ACTION 
    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    FANTASTIC WORK BROTHER 


    It has been all off season working together ...

    APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HELP 


    Feels Great to be out to a good start 


    BEST OF LUCK BROTHER ,,,,


    WE GOT THIS ...KLETS STACK COINS AND ENJOY OUR ACTION 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TD21:


    Scal,
        Finally getting back to you.  .... ECU definitely needs to show some pride before I'll consider backing them again in the right spot.
         I was able to watch the game on & off on espn3 (saw most of the first half).  I felt ok really at halftime even though down 7-0.  I missed the opening play of the 2nd half.  85 yrd TD run... really?
        And they were still in the game after that.... drive the field down 14-0, Sirk throws what initially looks like a touchdown, but the CB comes down with the ball; just made a play and the WR wasn't able to "seize the moment" on that one.  Gotta make a big / key play from time to time, it's part of competition.  They got the ball back after a JMU turnover, did then cut it to 14-7.  Still down 14-7, ECU drove to the JMU 33 and couldn't convert on 4th down.  Kinda done / losing any momentum/hope at that point when JMU took it down to score (21-7).  If not done already, really done when they drive again into JMU territory and can't convert in the red zone (stopped on downs at the JMU 20).  Very next play - 80 yard TD run.  Game over!

    I re-read my original post on this game.  Should have taken my own advice / caution.  ECU run defense was a concern going in.  I talked myself into the Secondary being a strength vs. the inexperienced WR corps (further aided by the suspensions) that this would allow the DC to put 8 in the box and have another safety help with stopping the run.  But the big plays killed them.  3 runs of 85, 80, & 70 yards.  187 rushing yards on the other 41 carries (still a decent 4.56 ypc).  So going forward I think ECU will have problems stopping the run / stopping big plays until proven otherwise.  I was also buying the ECU needs this game worse than JMU angle for motivation.  And I knew JMU was solid on defense as mentioned in the original post, but really thought they'd take more of a step back on offense. Schor is pretty solid at QB and they seem fine on offense again. 

    I think the line movement fcked with our heads too.  I had to grab a little on that opening +6 thinking it wouldn't be back.  Off the board at about +4.5  Then the suspensions & ECU QB situation before it ever comes back on the board.  Some time around then I did a half a s s job of coming up with what I thought was a fair line (prior to incorporating suspensions): around +4.  With suspensions closer to PK.  When it went from +4.5 to off to PK, then back to +8.5 on game day, everyone's eyes got real big.

    In general, I am surprised most of the Saturday Vegas lines are so high for FBS vs. FCS.  I am surprised there are not more players in town that would back the FCS dogs.  I still think the Betonline & 5D of the world just hit the reset button and copy the LV casinos for gameday lines on these FBS vs. FCS games.  

    I agree with everything. And to the comment the receiver couldn't come down with the ball..

    You know who would come down with it every time? Zay Jones. And he's long gone. And that was a fear I never stated. He was basically what Moss was to Culpepper in those rookie years, just chuck it up to the moon and he'll come down with it. He was involved in virtually every other play. And the receivers this time around were not good. And they started Minshew which infuriated me. And the long runs. Come on. I'm tempted to slam WVU at home even with the -24.

    Do you have any idea why Ball State is laying such a high number? Very young team. I expected -10/-11 but even against UAB -14.5. Just curious if you have any insight on that number. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by TD21:


    Scal,
        Finally getting back to you.  .... ECU definitely needs to show some pride before I'll consider backing them again in the right spot.
         I was able to watch the game on & off on espn3 (saw most of the first half).  I felt ok really at halftime even though down 7-0.  I missed the opening play of the 2nd half.  85 yrd TD run... really?
        And they were still in the game after that.... drive the field down 14-0, Sirk throws what initially looks like a touchdown, but the CB comes down with the ball; just made a play and the WR wasn't able to "seize the moment" on that one.  Gotta make a big / key play from time to time, it's part of competition.  They got the ball back after a JMU turnover, did then cut it to 14-7.  Still down 14-7, ECU drove to the JMU 33 and couldn't convert on 4th down.  Kinda done / losing any momentum/hope at that point when JMU took it down to score (21-7).  If not done already, really done when they drive again into JMU territory and can't convert in the red zone (stopped on downs at the JMU 20).  Very next play - 80 yard TD run.  Game over!

    I re-read my original post on this game.  Should have taken my own advice / caution.  ECU run defense was a concern going in.  I talked myself into the Secondary being a strength vs. the inexperienced WR corps (further aided by the suspensions) that this would allow the DC to put 8 in the box and have another safety help with stopping the run.  But the big plays killed them.  3 runs of 85, 80, & 70 yards.  187 rushing yards on the other 41 carries (still a decent 4.56 ypc).  So going forward I think ECU will have problems stopping the run / stopping big plays until proven otherwise.  I was also buying the ECU needs this game worse than JMU angle for motivation.  And I knew JMU was solid on defense as mentioned in the original post, but really thought they'd take more of a step back on offense. Schor is pretty solid at QB and they seem fine on offense again. 

    I think the line movement fcked with our heads too.  I had to grab a little on that opening +6 thinking it wouldn't be back.  Off the board at about +4.5  Then the suspensions & ECU QB situation before it ever comes back on the board.  Some time around then I did a half a s s job of coming up with what I thought was a fair line (prior to incorporating suspensions): around +4.  With suspensions closer to PK.  When it went from +4.5 to off to PK, then back to +8.5 on game day, everyone's eyes got real big.

    In general, I am surprised most of the Saturday Vegas lines are so high for FBS vs. FCS.  I am surprised there are not more players in town that would back the FCS dogs.  I still think the Betonline & 5D of the world just hit the reset button and copy the LV casinos for gameday lines on these FBS vs. FCS games.  

    I agree with everything. And to the comment the receiver couldn't come down with the ball..

    You know who would come down with it every time? Zay Jones. And he's long gone. And that was a fear I never stated. He was basically what Moss was to Culpepper in those rookie years, just chuck it up to the moon and he'll come down with it. He was involved in virtually every other play. And the receivers this time around were not good. And they started Minshew which infuriated me. And the long runs. Come on. I'm tempted to slam WVU at home even with the -24.

    Do you have any idea why Ball State is laying such a high number? Very young team. I expected -10/-11 but even against UAB -14.5. Just curious if you have any insight on that number. 
     
     
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    BOL this weekend, TD!
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    BOL this weekend, TD!
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