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    PENN STATE vs. WISCONSIN @ Lucas Oil Stadium: Momentum - The most powerful force in sports today

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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2016 - 3:18 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear2009:

    Scal - which side are you looking to play possibly on Navy/Temple???  Am curious to know because I already locked in Temple.  If you're thinking Navy, I would buy out lol.

    I lean Temple because I believe the product on the field can beat them and we get 3 to boot for insurance, but did not post for 3 reasons:

    1. PJ Walker in a boot. Even if he plays, I want him practicing for a game of this magnitude.

    2. Because the numbers are overwhelming. Navy’s senior class is now 37-13. The team is 14-2 since joining the AAC, the same conference that just sent coaching hotshot Tom Herman from Houston to Texas. The Mids have won 15 straight at home, tied for the longest home-winning streak in the country. They haven’t lost a home game in November or December since 2002. A win Saturday would make it back-to-back 10-win seasons, something the academy has never done.

    3. And this may be the biggest reason:

    There is now full scale reporting that Navy would throw the entire Bowl schedule into flux (easily googled).

    I hate that the media has latched onto this and in the era of social media, has allowed players extra motivation (i.e., let's stick it the NCAA up on their ivory tower).

    Believe me, this is no small footnote to the game. Navy knows about it and naturally will use it to galvanize their team.




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    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear2009:

    Scal - which side are you looking to play possibly on Navy/Temple???  Am curious to know because I already locked in Temple.  If you're thinking Navy, I would buy out lol.

    I lean Temple because I believe the product on the field can beat them and we get 3 to boot for insurance, but did not post for 3 reasons:

    1. PJ Walker in a boot. Even if he plays, I want him practicing for a game of this magnitude.

    2. Because the numbers are overwhelming. Navy’s senior class is now 37-13. The team is 14-2 since joining the AAC, the same conference that just sent coaching hotshot Tom Herman from Houston to Texas. The Mids have won 15 straight at home, tied for the longest home-winning streak in the country. They haven’t lost a home game in November or December since 2002. A win Saturday would make it back-to-back 10-win seasons, something the academy has never done.

    3. And this may be the biggest reason:

    There is now full scale reporting that Navy would throw the entire Bowl schedule into flux (easily googled).

    I hate that the media has latched onto this and in the era of social media, has allowed players extra motivation (i.e., let's stick it the NCAA up on their ivory tower).

    Believe me, this is no small footnote to the game. Navy knows about it and naturally will use it to galvanize their team.




     
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    Thank you for the insights!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    I lean Temple because I believe the product on the field can beat them and we get 3 to boot for insurance, but did not post for 3 reasons:

    1. PJ Walker in a boot. Even if he plays, I want him practicing for a game of this magnitude.

    2. Because the numbers are overwhelming. Navy’s senior class is now 37-13. The team is 14-2 since joining the AAC, the same conference that just sent coaching hotshot Tom Herman from Houston to Texas. The Mids have won 15 straight at home, tied for the longest home-winning streak in the country. They haven’t lost a home game in November or December since 2002. A win Saturday would make it back-to-back 10-win seasons, something the academy has never done.

    3. And this may be the biggest reason:

    There is now full scale reporting that Navy would throw the entire Bowl schedule into flux (easily googled).

    I hate that the media has latched onto this and in the era of social media, has allowed players extra motivation (i.e., let's stick it the NCAA up on their ivory tower).

    Believe me, this is no small footnote to the game. Navy knows about it and naturally will use it to galvanize their team.





    Temple has lost exactly 1 game ats this year.... against who you ask?? against Army, who runs the triple option just not nearly as good as navy, and that was the first game of the season with extra time to prep for the triple option. im not a BIG name guy in here but id strongly learn Navy for the reasons  Scal mentioned combined with Temples issues with the Option
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    I lean Temple because I believe the product on the field can beat them and we get 3 to boot for insurance, but did not post for 3 reasons:

    1. PJ Walker in a boot. Even if he plays, I want him practicing for a game of this magnitude.

    2. Because the numbers are overwhelming. Navy’s senior class is now 37-13. The team is 14-2 since joining the AAC, the same conference that just sent coaching hotshot Tom Herman from Houston to Texas. The Mids have won 15 straight at home, tied for the longest home-winning streak in the country. They haven’t lost a home game in November or December since 2002. A win Saturday would make it back-to-back 10-win seasons, something the academy has never done.

    3. And this may be the biggest reason:

    There is now full scale reporting that Navy would throw the entire Bowl schedule into flux (easily googled).

    I hate that the media has latched onto this and in the era of social media, has allowed players extra motivation (i.e., let's stick it the NCAA up on their ivory tower).

    Believe me, this is no small footnote to the game. Navy knows about it and naturally will use it to galvanize their team.





    Temple has lost exactly 1 game ats this year.... against who you ask?? against Army, who runs the triple option just not nearly as good as navy, and that was the first game of the season with extra time to prep for the triple option. im not a BIG name guy in here but id strongly learn Navy for the reasons  Scal mentioned combined with Temples issues with the Option
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2016 - 4:53 PM ET #29

    BOL on your play Scal 
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    Hey Scal great to see you moving forward with your insight about the upcoming games. Really appreciate your opinions on Saturday's games . 
    Thanks for you Handicapping and write ups
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    Hey Scal great to see you moving forward with your insight about the upcoming games. Really appreciate your opinions on Saturday's games . 
    Thanks for you Handicapping and write ups
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2016 - 8:16 PM ET #32

    Scal's Penn st +3 vs Megalocks Wisconsin -3

    Dang.... guess im staying away
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    Dang.... guess im staying away
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2016 - 8:31 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    2016 Record: 32-16 (~67%)

    The pick:

    PENN STATE +3 over WISCONSIN

    I waited all week for this line to get back to +3. It got there.

    I waited all week for Shaquon Barkley to confirm he would play and is (mostly) healthy. I have that confirmation.

    I have to take it now.

    I capped this game and Navy/Temple aggressively (which I still may post but maybe not), and this game barely won out.

    I'll be back tomorrow with details.

    I'll also have a special pick for this forum's members only late tonight for your loyalty and readership.


    Whats the special pick you speak of? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    2016 Record: 32-16 (~67%)

    The pick:

    PENN STATE +3 over WISCONSIN

    I waited all week for this line to get back to +3. It got there.

    I waited all week for Shaquon Barkley to confirm he would play and is (mostly) healthy. I have that confirmation.

    I have to take it now.

    I capped this game and Navy/Temple aggressively (which I still may post but maybe not), and this game barely won out.

    I'll be back tomorrow with details.

    I'll also have a special pick for this forum's members only late tonight for your loyalty and readership.


    Whats the special pick you speak of? 
     
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     GL Scal
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    Bullet #3 - My final sell for Penn State.

    The Shawshank Defense

    Did you see this movie? You saw this movie. We all saw this movie.

    Do you remember the scene where the warden throws Andy in the hole for insulting him?

    In that scene right after he threatens to throw Andy down with the Sodomites, he says:

    "And the library....Gone. Sealed of brick by brick. We'll have us a little book barbecue in the yard. They'll see the flames for miles."

    Well that folks, is what you will be passing up with Penn State if you fail to take them or worse, pick against them.

    This team, this motivation, this story, will be gone...All gone. It will all come down next year. Brick by brick.

    This offense. The most explosive, dynamic and impressive offense I have seen of any Penn State team in my lifetime.

    Gone. Next year it is gone.

    Players will declare for the draft. Things will change.

    The defense? Gone. Not the same. You get both sides of the ball here folks. Remember Cabinda and Bell came back from injury against Purdue? Then both sides of ball came into full bloom and they haven't looked back since. 45 points in the second half.

    Folks I've seen Purdue get their a** kicked up and down a field dozens of times in the Hazell era. I've never seen a slaughter like I saw in that second half against Purdue. 45 points and the floodgates now opened, haven't stop gushing a raging river through them.

    Recently, I've come with the statistics to support my picks, a more micro-cap.

    But macro-cap's, a deviation away from the numbers, a bigger picture cap, can serve a right side well.

    And the bigger picture is this:

    This is the best offense I've ever seen on a Penn State team.

    The defense is impressive.

    This story, of Penn State's revival from the Paterno scandal will never be more at the forefront. The momentum that carries, that revival, is powerful. Very powerful. You get that here in this side.

    This coach, and how he motivates and connects with players will never be stronger.

    All of this....gone. Next year. Gone. Different. Not the same. The story changes. 

    You have it all right here NOW.

    Now you could counter "Scal, You could use the same argument for me to take the best Bama team ever under Saban!"

    Yes I could.

    And LOOK AT THE PRICE YOU PAY for that side. One of the highest spreads of all time in an SEC championship game. That's one hell of a price. An insane price. 4 TD's just to START to get over the number against a stingy D that can ugly up the game just like LSU did.

    What's your price here? You GET 3 points against a Wisky team that has an excellent defense. But this is not an all-time defense. And the offense, outside of running back, is unremarkable.

    Penn State knows exactly what to do. Stop the run and have this QB be it Houston or Houston/Hornibrook beat you.

    And I don't think they can do it. And if I'm Houston or Hornibrook tonight I am having trouble hitting the sack knowing what this D brings. I'd take the PSU ML here but I think the points are such valuable insurance, gift-wrapping a mis-step to the bettor.

    So it's your choice. This Penn State team will never be the same again in a Big Ten Championship. You get them today in their current incarnation.

    I have one last thing to add....Am I being Obtuse??? I can't give another month to think about it. You have 20 hours.

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    Bullet #3 - My final sell for Penn State.

    The Shawshank Defense

    Did you see this movie? You saw this movie. We all saw this movie.

    Do you remember the scene where the warden throws Andy in the hole for insulting him?

    In that scene right after he threatens to throw Andy down with the Sodomites, he says:

    "And the library....Gone. Sealed of brick by brick. We'll have us a little book barbecue in the yard. They'll see the flames for miles."

    Well that folks, is what you will be passing up with Penn State if you fail to take them or worse, pick against them.

    This team, this motivation, this story, will be gone...All gone. It will all come down next year. Brick by brick.

    This offense. The most explosive, dynamic and impressive offense I have seen of any Penn State team in my lifetime.

    Gone. Next year it is gone.

    Players will declare for the draft. Things will change.

    The defense? Gone. Not the same. You get both sides of the ball here folks. Remember Cabinda and Bell came back from injury against Purdue? Then both sides of ball came into full bloom and they haven't looked back since. 45 points in the second half.

    Folks I've seen Purdue get their a** kicked up and down a field dozens of times in the Hazell era. I've never seen a slaughter like I saw in that second half against Purdue. 45 points and the floodgates now opened, haven't stop gushing a raging river through them.

    Recently, I've come with the statistics to support my picks, a more micro-cap.

    But macro-cap's, a deviation away from the numbers, a bigger picture cap, can serve a right side well.

    And the bigger picture is this:

    This is the best offense I've ever seen on a Penn State team.

    The defense is impressive.

    This story, of Penn State's revival from the Paterno scandal will never be more at the forefront. The momentum that carries, that revival, is powerful. Very powerful. You get that here in this side.

    This coach, and how he motivates and connects with players will never be stronger.

    All of this....gone. Next year. Gone. Different. Not the same. The story changes. 

    You have it all right here NOW.

    Now you could counter "Scal, You could use the same argument for me to take the best Bama team ever under Saban!"

    Yes I could.

    And LOOK AT THE PRICE YOU PAY for that side. One of the highest spreads of all time in an SEC championship game. That's one hell of a price. An insane price. 4 TD's just to START to get over the number against a stingy D that can ugly up the game just like LSU did.

    What's your price here? You GET 3 points against a Wisky team that has an excellent defense. But this is not an all-time defense. And the offense, outside of running back, is unremarkable.

    Penn State knows exactly what to do. Stop the run and have this QB be it Houston or Houston/Hornibrook beat you.

    And I don't think they can do it. And if I'm Houston or Hornibrook tonight I am having trouble hitting the sack knowing what this D brings. I'd take the PSU ML here but I think the points are such valuable insurance, gift-wrapping a mis-step to the bettor.

    So it's your choice. This Penn State team will never be the same again in a Big Ten Championship. You get them today in their current incarnation.

    I have one last thing to add....Am I being Obtuse??? I can't give another month to think about it. You have 20 hours.

     
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    No use handicapping a title game... these things have a way of breaking hard one way or the other.

    That being said, fade team D at your own risk.

    Wisky. With any luck I will get them at even or so due to your PSU logic....

    BOL with your picks.

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    No use handicapping a title game... these things have a way of breaking hard one way or the other.

    That being said, fade team D at your own risk.

    Wisky. With any luck I will get them at even or so due to your PSU logic....

    BOL with your picks.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2016 - 1:34 AM ET #37

    Sh*t ... I'm glad you're on Penn St.  This is my only play for tomorrow.  Just curious ... what is your lean for the Navy/Temple game?  Can Temple defense stop this crazy Navy offense?  
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    Sh*t ... I'm glad you're on Penn St.  This is my only play for tomorrow.  Just curious ... what is your lean for the Navy/Temple game?  Can Temple defense stop this crazy Navy offense?  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2016 - 1:37 AM ET #38

    Woops!! Nevermind ... you already answered that.  My bad. 
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    Woops!! Nevermind ... you already answered that.  My bad. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2016 - 1:50 AM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    No use handicapping a title game... these things have a way of breaking hard one way or the other.

    That being said, fade team D at your own risk.

    Wisky. With any luck I will get them at even or so due to your PSU logic....

    BOL with your picks.

    No use? Huh? Ok. Let's just pick the winner out of a top hat and call it a day. No use capping St. John's Tulane either because well...two terrible teams. Coin Flip....Sure.

    You're the one who is fading team D against better competition in Penn State ranked 20th in the nation in total D (suddenly this is chopped liver to many posters here).

    Look at who Wisky has played down the stretch: Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota (a team that almost lost to Rutgers...An angle I've used twice to make a lot of money off of), Northwestern, Nebraska, Iowa.

    They bolstered all their Defensive stats against total trash.

    Penn State will have enough offense to win it. How anyone is laying points here with a line that translates to Wisky -6 at home, is insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    No use handicapping a title game... these things have a way of breaking hard one way or the other.

    That being said, fade team D at your own risk.

    Wisky. With any luck I will get them at even or so due to your PSU logic....

    BOL with your picks.

    No use? Huh? Ok. Let's just pick the winner out of a top hat and call it a day. No use capping St. John's Tulane either because well...two terrible teams. Coin Flip....Sure.

    You're the one who is fading team D against better competition in Penn State ranked 20th in the nation in total D (suddenly this is chopped liver to many posters here).

    Look at who Wisky has played down the stretch: Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota (a team that almost lost to Rutgers...An angle I've used twice to make a lot of money off of), Northwestern, Nebraska, Iowa.

    They bolstered all their Defensive stats against total trash.

    Penn State will have enough offense to win it. How anyone is laying points here with a line that translates to Wisky -6 at home, is insane.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2016 - 1:54 AM ET #40

    Good luck
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2016 - 1:54 AM ET #41

    Who watched this Wisky/Minnesota game? Who watched Wisky barely put up any points on lousy Iowa in a snooze-fest (PSU put up 41 on them sleepwalking through the game)?

    Who is watching these games and thinks, "Oh yes, this Wisky team will derail everything Penn State has built and ran with this season".

    Well, we'll see tomorrow on the field of play.


    I see Laramie is 21 degrees going down to 17 at night. Good luck to SDSU in that raucous walk-in freezer.

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    Who watched this Wisky/Minnesota game? Who watched Wisky barely put up any points on lousy Iowa in a snooze-fest (PSU put up 41 on them sleepwalking through the game)?

    Who is watching these games and thinks, "Oh yes, this Wisky team will derail everything Penn State has built and ran with this season".

    Well, we'll see tomorrow on the field of play.


    I see Laramie is 21 degrees going down to 17 at night. Good luck to SDSU in that raucous walk-in freezer.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2016 - 4:11 AM ET #42

    Good luck pal
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2016 - 4:19 AM ET #43

    I don't really see Penn moving the ball here. I also don't see wisky moving the ball here. Probably a low scoring coin flip game, gotta take the side getting a field goal I like it  Gonna come down to turnovers and special teams.
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    I don't really see Penn moving the ball here. I also don't see wisky moving the ball here. Probably a low scoring coin flip game, gotta take the side getting a field goal I like it  Gonna come down to turnovers and special teams.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2016 - 10:32 AM ET #44

    So Scalabrine likes Penn State and Temple? Interesting. So does ESPN's Chris Fallica. Hmm.



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    So Scalabrine likes Penn State and Temple? Interesting. So does ESPN's Chris Fallica. Hmm.



     
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    Also, for the record, I do like Penn State. But, I'm going to wait until half time to make any play. Penn State has been an average first half team, but a great second half team. I think Penn State is down at the half and there will be better value with a half time line. 

    If Penn State is leading at the half, I probably won't play it.

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    Also, for the record, I do like Penn State. But, I'm going to wait until half time to make any play. Penn State has been an average first half team, but a great second half team. I think Penn State is down at the half and there will be better value with a half time line. 

    If Penn State is leading at the half, I probably won't play it.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdr016:

    Also, for the record, I do like Penn State. But, I'm going to wait until half time to make any play. Penn State has been an average first half team, but a great second half team. I think Penn State is down at the half and there will be better value with a half time line. 

    If Penn State is leading at the half, I probably won't play it.

    This is a great point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdr016:

    Also, for the record, I do like Penn State. But, I'm going to wait until half time to make any play. Penn State has been an average first half team, but a great second half team. I think Penn State is down at the half and there will be better value with a half time line. 

    If Penn State is leading at the half, I probably won't play it.

    This is a great point.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2016 - 10:58 AM ET #47

    Whats the special pick????
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    Whats the special pick????
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2016 - 11:05 AM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by Joebeilow123:

    Whats the special pick????

    It was last night. it was a W
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joebeilow123:

    Whats the special pick????

    It was last night. it was a W
     
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    Scal....

    Was wondeting...... you really like the play but have no mention of ML. Nour value at +125? Just wondeting.
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    Was wondeting...... you really like the play but have no mention of ML. Nour value at +125? Just wondeting.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Who watched this Wisky/Minnesota game? Who watched Wisky barely put up any points on lousy Iowa in a snooze-fest (PSU put up 41 on them sleepwalking through the game)?

    Who is watching these games and thinks, "Oh yes, this Wisky team will derail everything Penn State has built and ran with this season".

    Well, we'll see tomorrow on the field of play.


    I see Laramie is 21 degrees going down to 17 at night. Good luck to SDSU in that raucous walk-in freezer.


    Are you speaking of the same Minnesota team who did not lose ATS on the road this year?   The same Minnesota who shut down Penn State in Happy Valley for over 3 quarters, held Barkley to 19-68 line until he broke one in OT.    Eerily similar to the game vs. Wisconsin where they controlled most of it and then Leidner threw a costly pick in the end zone early in the 4th when they had the game in control.    McSorley?   Made 2-3 big plays in that game, only 19-41 passing.   They got lucky to make it to OT.   

    Minnesota/Wisconsin...  a rivalry game.   Not just a rivalry game...  the OLDEST rivalry game.  If you're trying to discount Wisconsin because of that game last week you're wrong.  

    Wisconsin/Iowa?  Another long standing rivalry game that is usually a slugfest...  17-9 this year, 10-6 last year.   Iowa no slouch, just ask Michigan.  


    PSU happy to be there with bigger aspirations.   Wisconsin was disrespected all year...   All the talk was about OSU and Michigan.  Wisconsin supposed to get crushed by LSU in Lambeau.  Wisconsin RSW was 7.5.   They want it just as bad if not more than PSU. 


    We'll see tonight....  I think it's gonna be low scoring and ugly early.  Nerves from QB's on both sides early.   


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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Who watched this Wisky/Minnesota game? Who watched Wisky barely put up any points on lousy Iowa in a snooze-fest (PSU put up 41 on them sleepwalking through the game)?

    Who is watching these games and thinks, "Oh yes, this Wisky team will derail everything Penn State has built and ran with this season".

    Well, we'll see tomorrow on the field of play.


    I see Laramie is 21 degrees going down to 17 at night. Good luck to SDSU in that raucous walk-in freezer.


    Are you speaking of the same Minnesota team who did not lose ATS on the road this year?   The same Minnesota who shut down Penn State in Happy Valley for over 3 quarters, held Barkley to 19-68 line until he broke one in OT.    Eerily similar to the game vs. Wisconsin where they controlled most of it and then Leidner threw a costly pick in the end zone early in the 4th when they had the game in control.    McSorley?   Made 2-3 big plays in that game, only 19-41 passing.   They got lucky to make it to OT.   

    Minnesota/Wisconsin...  a rivalry game.   Not just a rivalry game...  the OLDEST rivalry game.  If you're trying to discount Wisconsin because of that game last week you're wrong.  

    Wisconsin/Iowa?  Another long standing rivalry game that is usually a slugfest...  17-9 this year, 10-6 last year.   Iowa no slouch, just ask Michigan.  


    PSU happy to be there with bigger aspirations.   Wisconsin was disrespected all year...   All the talk was about OSU and Michigan.  Wisconsin supposed to get crushed by LSU in Lambeau.  Wisconsin RSW was 7.5.   They want it just as bad if not more than PSU. 


    We'll see tonight....  I think it's gonna be low scoring and ugly early.  Nerves from QB's on both sides early.   


    Good luck
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