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    Mice likes CHIK-FIL-A BOWL LSU-CLEMSON

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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2012 - 10:20 PM ET #1

    CLEMSON + 6
    CLEM ML + 190
    LSU has gone Chik-Fil-A'ing 5 times, winning each, and most recent a 33 pt win over GTech. Clemson last year went Bowling vs WVa and lost by 37.  So being this is an SEC team, I should be getting (33+37=) 70 pts, right?
    Really guys, I'm not picking on SEC, and whole-heartedly agree that they're the best top-to-bottom Conference in NCAA.  But like every conference, they have their own distinct style, which isn't always a guarantee to match-up with other styles of other Conferences.  That's why the SMUs cover vs the Fresno's, the Gophers cover vs. the TTech's, and the Nevada's cover against the Zona's.  I said in my Vandy thread...the SEC covered 53% Bowling last year and 58% last 2.  That's losing.
    Taj Boyd is a match-up nightmare. For any team in any game in any Conference.  If you think Les is crafty enough to come up with a scheme that can keep him in the pocket, then I lose here.  Spurrier did a little,  but I really don't think Les can.  Clemson avg's 42+pts and 520 yds a game. They have been held under 37 pts only twice.  I know someone's gonna bust me that those ##'s aren't against SEC Defenses.  SEC heart bettors can shine their bumpers there...facts are facts and 53%/58% doesn't make a D an automatic. Not with my money anyway. LSU kicking and punting game always a plus part of their game, take note that Brad Wing was suspended here.  Prolly won't matter tho.
    Clemson has played 7 Bowl teams and put up 259 pts against them. Do the math. Again, I know...not against SEC Defense.  Last year's LSU team ended regular season with a +28 pt/game margin.  This years ended with a +13 ppg.  That's quite a dropoff.  But I know, those are not relative cuz this is SEC country.  Which makes it an automatic.
    Not here. Not for crazy Mice.
    I used this as my #4 Game in Confidence Entry. I'm wrong alot, but my #1 was pretty easy. Despite the bashing it took.
    This Game hits 3 of my Bowl Angles, one of which has already easily hit on 2 games and is now 23-3.  But I know that doesn't matter.  Cuz those weren't all SEC Games.  Right.  I like Taj Boyd and I like my chances here.

    GL everyone
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    CLEMSON + 6
    CLEM ML + 190
    LSU has gone Chik-Fil-A'ing 5 times, winning each, and most recent a 33 pt win over GTech. Clemson last year went Bowling vs WVa and lost by 37.  So being this is an SEC team, I should be getting (33+37=) 70 pts, right?
    Really guys, I'm not picking on SEC, and whole-heartedly agree that they're the best top-to-bottom Conference in NCAA.  But like every conference, they have their own distinct style, which isn't always a guarantee to match-up with other styles of other Conferences.  That's why the SMUs cover vs the Fresno's, the Gophers cover vs. the TTech's, and the Nevada's cover against the Zona's.  I said in my Vandy thread...the SEC covered 53% Bowling last year and 58% last 2.  That's losing.
    Taj Boyd is a match-up nightmare. For any team in any game in any Conference.  If you think Les is crafty enough to come up with a scheme that can keep him in the pocket, then I lose here.  Spurrier did a little,  but I really don't think Les can.  Clemson avg's 42+pts and 520 yds a game. They have been held under 37 pts only twice.  I know someone's gonna bust me that those ##'s aren't against SEC Defenses.  SEC heart bettors can shine their bumpers there...facts are facts and 53%/58% doesn't make a D an automatic. Not with my money anyway. LSU kicking and punting game always a plus part of their game, take note that Brad Wing was suspended here.  Prolly won't matter tho.
    Clemson has played 7 Bowl teams and put up 259 pts against them. Do the math. Again, I know...not against SEC Defense.  Last year's LSU team ended regular season with a +28 pt/game margin.  This years ended with a +13 ppg.  That's quite a dropoff.  But I know, those are not relative cuz this is SEC country.  Which makes it an automatic.
    Not here. Not for crazy Mice.
    I used this as my #4 Game in Confidence Entry. I'm wrong alot, but my #1 was pretty easy. Despite the bashing it took.
    This Game hits 3 of my Bowl Angles, one of which has already easily hit on 2 games and is now 23-3.  But I know that doesn't matter.  Cuz those weren't all SEC Games.  Right.  I like Taj Boyd and I like my chances here.

    GL everyone
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2012 - 10:26 PM ET #2

    Agree

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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2012 - 10:33 PM ET #3

    As a lifelong LSU fan, I totally agree with your assessment.  I hate to admit it, but losing Brad Wing is huge.  The punting game is a big part of LSU's success.  This has been a weird year for the tigers and Zach M. just hasn't been very consistent.  Clemson plus points is the wise choice.  Again, hate to admit it, but it's true.  GL, though I hope you're wrong, but I have a bad feeling you're right.
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    As a lifelong LSU fan, I totally agree with your assessment.  I hate to admit it, but losing Brad Wing is huge.  The punting game is a big part of LSU's success.  This has been a weird year for the tigers and Zach M. just hasn't been very consistent.  Clemson plus points is the wise choice.  Again, hate to admit it, but it's true.  GL, though I hope you're wrong, but I have a bad feeling you're right.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2012 - 10:48 PM ET #4

    Gl bro. I think you may be right

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    Gl bro. I think you may be right

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 12:05 AM ET #5

    bang bang on the over... the scoreboard is going off like the Fireworks tonight....
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    bang bang on the over... the scoreboard is going off like the Fireworks tonight....
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 12:10 AM ET #6

    On it as well.
    Best of luck Mice
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    On it as well.
    Best of luck Mice
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 12:15 AM ET #7

    Just a heads up Mice....Les Miles isn't the DC for LSU..and he has no input in the defense at all....
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    Just a heads up Mice....Les Miles isn't the DC for LSU..and he has no input in the defense at all....
     
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    John Chavis is one of the best DC's in the game. So if you are basing your bet off the fact that "Les Miles can't come up with a gameplan to stop Boyd".....you are in trouble. 
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    John Chavis is one of the best DC's in the game. So if you are basing your bet off the fact that "Les Miles can't come up with a gameplan to stop Boyd".....you are in trouble. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 1:03 AM ET #9

    Good luck buddy
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 1:11 AM ET #10

    Bol
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 1:16 AM ET #11

    mice

    hope you win your other games besides this and vandy

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    hope you win your other games besides this and vandy

    bad luck
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 1:25 AM ET #12

    my friend i have the out most respect for you
    wish you  tons of succes in the new year, health and love for u and your folks


    now

    aside that

    i must remind you++

    So-Car 27-Clemson 17
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    my friend i have the out most respect for you
    wish you  tons of succes in the new year, health and love for u and your folks


    now

    aside that

    i must remind you++

    So-Car 27-Clemson 17
     
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    don't know which side i'm on yet but the 2 times Clemson played against SEC defense, they scored only 17 against South Carolina and only 26 vs Auburn 
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    don't know which side i'm on yet but the 2 times Clemson played against SEC defense, they scored only 17 against South Carolina and only 26 vs Auburn 
     
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    I like yur angle, especially  LSU without the best punter in the country. This will only give Clemson good field position all day. I see LSU defense holding Clemson under control from first few qtrs, but with good field position most of the time, I see Clemson capitalizing and cover spread and probably winning SU towards end. Hope line goes up to +7 for Clemson b4.kickoff. GL Mice I'm leaning with you.
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    I like yur angle, especially  LSU without the best punter in the country. This will only give Clemson good field position all day. I see LSU defense holding Clemson under control from first few qtrs, but with good field position most of the time, I see Clemson capitalizing and cover spread and probably winning SU towards end. Hope line goes up to +7 for Clemson b4.kickoff. GL Mice I'm leaning with you.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 2:46 AM ET #15

    No Way could I Invest in Clemson right now vs a Top Tier SEC Squad 

    but BOL  brother ..May you sweep the Rest of Ur Bowl Games 



    but I am on LSU Large 


    Happy New Year
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    No Way could I Invest in Clemson right now vs a Top Tier SEC Squad 

    but BOL  brother ..May you sweep the Rest of Ur Bowl Games 



    but I am on LSU Large 


    Happy New Year
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 3:15 AM ET #16

    im not sure on this one yet,   i know lsu has struggled on offense this year but they are a good team.   im def on vandy  they are favored for a reason,  they are always a dog but this team is different, they have a good coach now & the players love to play for him
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    im not sure on this one yet,   i know lsu has struggled on offense this year but they are a good team.   im def on vandy  they are favored for a reason,  they are always a dog but this team is different, they have a good coach now & the players love to play for him
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 3:59 AM ET #17

    Clemson
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 5:06 AM ET #18

    bol mice, happy new year bud
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    bol mice, happy new year bud
     
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    Happy New Year! Good luck Wally!
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    Happy New Year! Good luck Wally!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    No Way could I Invest in Clemson right now vs a Top Tier SEC Squad 
     

    Of course you couldn't.  You're one of the die-hard SEC backers that think all their team has to do is show up.  No big deal.  It's your money

    hog wild --unless times have changed, a head coach has final stamp on any game plan.  Don't read more into my write-ups than I write. GL with your plays

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    No Way could I Invest in Clemson right now vs a Top Tier SEC Squad 
     

    Of course you couldn't.  You're one of the die-hard SEC backers that think all their team has to do is show up.  No big deal.  It's your money

    hog wild --unless times have changed, a head coach has final stamp on any game plan.  Don't read more into my write-ups than I write. GL with your plays

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by shark_apreza:


    i must remind you++

    So-Car 27-Clemson 17
    sure you can my friend, I will likewise remind you: I liked SMU over Fresno.  I liked Wash over Boise. I liked Cam Newton over DrewBrees yester.  GL

    Hum2011--JKirk--tree--originator--metallica--insatiable--Baja--trap--dgnow--sam--June--jlhockey--TIN--Ray thanks and gl all you guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by shark_apreza:


    i must remind you++

    So-Car 27-Clemson 17
    sure you can my friend, I will likewise remind you: I liked SMU over Fresno.  I liked Wash over Boise. I liked Cam Newton over DrewBrees yester.  GL

    Hum2011--JKirk--tree--originator--metallica--insatiable--Baja--trap--dgnow--sam--June--jlhockey--TIN--Ray thanks and gl all you guys

     
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    Some people still don't get it. DO NOT bet against the SEC vs most teams, ESPECIALLY not the ACC. You are wasting your money. Seriously, don't do it.
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    Some people still don't get it. DO NOT bet against the SEC vs most teams, ESPECIALLY not the ACC. You are wasting your money. Seriously, don't do it.
     
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    Dominate buddy. 
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2012 - 8:38 AM ET #25

    SMU v. Fresno, Wash v. Boise and Newton over Brees are all independent events. Congrats on picking those matchups correctly. However, Newton v. Brees was a defense and motivation play. Fresno was a familiarity and motivation play. Wash v. Boise barely hit. 

    Do I think you are on the wrong side of this game? Actually no I don't. 6 Points is a lot for an LSU team to lay with a suspect offense and a suspended punter. But picking and finding value in Clemson here has nothing in common with the 3 games you listed. 

    The two biggest factors in my opinion in bowl games (coaching and motivation), both actually lean away from your Clemson/NC St choices. The other thing I always like to back in a bowl is the better defense. Still pushes me away from these choices...

    Also, perhaps I could use an explanation for the relevance of the SEC bowl ATS record, as all that shows is Vegas does their job and you can't blindly bet a conference because spreads adjust. If you showed the ACC's ATS record over the last 5-7 years, I would assume that it's near 50% as well.

    I guess based off reading your other bowl season posts, I was looking for more analysis and perspective that I had not thought of, rather than an OMG Clemson's offense can't be stopped and the SEC is overrated in bowl games type discussion (both here and in the Vandy thread about Glennon).

    Your insight normally sways me into taking your pick. And so far this bowl season that has been a profitable endeavor. I thank you for that. That being said, I think I detect a little bit too much of your "heart" and not research or angles between NC St. & Clemson, and will be laying off both today. Vandy is my alma mater, so I will cheer for us (and honestly expect us to cover the TD).

    I'm not a conspiracy theorist that thinks everything is fixed, but NC St. popped up on my radar early and often as a team that I can't trust to get an expected result out of this season. Not sure I"d go so far as to say they point shaved, but a few of their games have had irregular betting patterns, and late covers/non-covers on plays that a 13 year old could make. I lean Clemson +6, but not strong enough to be a play for me. 

    On a side note, I found it funny you mentioned that Clemson's been held below 37 pts twice this year. Those two times are the only two times they faced SEC teams. 

    Best of luck today Mice. Keep up the good work.
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    SMU v. Fresno, Wash v. Boise and Newton over Brees are all independent events. Congrats on picking those matchups correctly. However, Newton v. Brees was a defense and motivation play. Fresno was a familiarity and motivation play. Wash v. Boise barely hit. 

    Do I think you are on the wrong side of this game? Actually no I don't. 6 Points is a lot for an LSU team to lay with a suspect offense and a suspended punter. But picking and finding value in Clemson here has nothing in common with the 3 games you listed. 

    The two biggest factors in my opinion in bowl games (coaching and motivation), both actually lean away from your Clemson/NC St choices. The other thing I always like to back in a bowl is the better defense. Still pushes me away from these choices...

    Also, perhaps I could use an explanation for the relevance of the SEC bowl ATS record, as all that shows is Vegas does their job and you can't blindly bet a conference because spreads adjust. If you showed the ACC's ATS record over the last 5-7 years, I would assume that it's near 50% as well.

    I guess based off reading your other bowl season posts, I was looking for more analysis and perspective that I had not thought of, rather than an OMG Clemson's offense can't be stopped and the SEC is overrated in bowl games type discussion (both here and in the Vandy thread about Glennon).

    Your insight normally sways me into taking your pick. And so far this bowl season that has been a profitable endeavor. I thank you for that. That being said, I think I detect a little bit too much of your "heart" and not research or angles between NC St. & Clemson, and will be laying off both today. Vandy is my alma mater, so I will cheer for us (and honestly expect us to cover the TD).

    I'm not a conspiracy theorist that thinks everything is fixed, but NC St. popped up on my radar early and often as a team that I can't trust to get an expected result out of this season. Not sure I"d go so far as to say they point shaved, but a few of their games have had irregular betting patterns, and late covers/non-covers on plays that a 13 year old could make. I lean Clemson +6, but not strong enough to be a play for me. 

    On a side note, I found it funny you mentioned that Clemson's been held below 37 pts twice this year. Those two times are the only two times they faced SEC teams. 

    Best of luck today Mice. Keep up the good work.
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