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#626
Nice call on the under, in Houston game. Hoyer is our friend.
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Jimmydafreak
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#628
Interesting take. Highly respect your opinion. Don't see Deshaun frustration having much to do with the outcome though, after seeing all their games this year. He has thrown some early interceptions, and tends to throw a little high or low if not getting many openings, but I don't see him just throwing it up for grabs out of frustration very often. South Carolina had some success with standing the Clemson players up and stripping them. But Bama doesn't usually do that. Hoping its just a clean, low turnovers, and fairly called game all around.
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1st half UNDER and Houston TT UNDER
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#631
Quote Originally Posted by acoustix:
Interesting take. Highly respect your opinion. Don't see Deshaun frustration having much to do with the outcome though, after seeing all their games this year. He has thrown some early interceptions, and tends to throw a little high or low if not getting many openings, but I don't see him just throwing it up for grabs out of frustration very often. South Carolina had some success with standing the Clemson players up and stripping them. But Bama doesn't usually do that. Hoping its just a clean, low turnovers, and fairly called game all around.
Interesting take. Highly respect your opinion. Don't see Deshaun frustration having much to do with the outcome though, after seeing all their games this year. He has thrown some early interceptions, and tends to throw a little high or low if not getting many openings, but I don't see him just throwing it up for grabs out of frustration very often. South Carolina had some success with standing the Clemson players up and stripping them. But Bama doesn't usually do that. Hoping its just a clean, low turnovers, and fairly called game all around.
Alabama will take away the run game, and force Watson to win the game through the air, something he has never had to do in his career. They will force him to throw into very tight windows, again something he's never had to do. I don't think he will be able to do it consistently, and it'll result in interceptions in my opinion.
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#632
Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:
Alabama will take away the run game, and force Watson to win the game through the air, something he has never had to do in his career. They will force him to throw into very tight windows, again something he's never had to do. I don't think he will be able to do it consistently, and it'll result in interceptions in my opinion.
Wow... very shocked at this statement.
This is very shocking to be honest.
Watson is the one of if not the most accurate passers in college football and can/will beat you with his arm.
This statement coming from you is shocking... almost like you haven't done your homework. If you think Watson can't beat Bama with his arm you are sadly mistaken
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Posted:
#634
Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:
huge game for me thanks to you! also had kc-3 and prop kc-18.5 @ 6.1/1.
I expect the Kansas City/Houston game to be a very low-scoring slugfest. Houston gets Brian Hoyer back this week, but is that really something Houston can hang their hat on. I suppose he does give Houston the best shot to win the game, but I expect Kansas City's defense to pretty much shut Houston down offensively.
My Plays:
Kansas City @ Houston UNDER 20 (1st Half)
Houston Team Total UNDER 18
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Posted:
#637
Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:
I can appreciate the time you have taken to give your thoughts on this game....and I can say this, I usually never care too much about what others think when it comes to breaking a game down vs what I think in my head...but in this case I'm glad you did and I think we might have a good conversation leading up to the game.
Let's talk about what I agree with you on:
Yes and YES! Anyone who believes that Saban hasn't adapted to his " kryptonite " isn't paying attention. If you read my brief breakdown of this game you would see that Saban has actually recruited different athletes to defended HUNH offenses. He has gotten better at 2 places. LB where he isn't using the traditional 270ln LB who can cover in space, yet he has changed to a more quicker lighter athlete who can do what?? cover in space. The other is of course the fast lighter pass rusher who can get after the QB. In years past never seemed to have that Vic Beasley type of guy who could play meet you at the QB.
Let's talk about what I disagree:
The guys you listed that Bama has played at QB are not what?
They're not Deshaun Watson...not even close. Watson besides being a tremendous athlete he reads defense better than any of the QB's you mentioned.
Let's talk about the corners Mac island and Tank. If Alabama wants to be successful at passing the ball you are correct... they better attack the 2nd level at the LB position. Why? IMO, Coker has NO shot at beating Tank and Mac island. These will be the best corners Bama has faced all year...and why will they be locked down in this game? Venables knows what I know.... We don't have to worry about Coker running the ball. Clemson has played so many teams with dual threat QB's lately that the secondary has to help with accountability. This game!!! Not so much.. it's do your job.
I completely disagree with your bets on Alabama, Clemson TT under and Alabama TT over. As a matter of fact.... I think the chances of Alabama team total going over 29 is are almost about slim and none....only way it happens is of course what you said.... Clemson turns the ball over, and special teams return or defensive TD's. I for one, am very confident that Alabama can NOT line up and drive the field and score offensively no more than 14 points...at best.
Forget the Deshaun vs Alabama focal point here.....The biggest advantage Clemson has in this game IMO, is the Clemson's DL completely getting after Jake Coker. I think at the end of the night every ESPN analysis and talking head will repeat what I'm about to say. Wow.....the Clemson DL took over this football game.
I have said it over and over....and it's simple. We have Deshaun Watson and you don't.
Look forward to you response....... I think we can give this forum a good conversation leading up to this game.
I can appreciate the time you have taken to give your thoughts on this game....and I can say this, I usually never care too much about what others think when it comes to breaking a game down vs what I think in my head...but in this case I'm glad you did and I think we might have a good conversation leading up to the game.
Let's talk about what I agree with you on:
Yes and YES! Anyone who believes that Saban hasn't adapted to his " kryptonite " isn't paying attention. If you read my brief breakdown of this game you would see that Saban has actually recruited different athletes to defended HUNH offenses. He has gotten better at 2 places. LB where he isn't using the traditional 270ln LB who can cover in space, yet he has changed to a more quicker lighter athlete who can do what?? cover in space. The other is of course the fast lighter pass rusher who can get after the QB. In years past never seemed to have that Vic Beasley type of guy who could play meet you at the QB.
Let's talk about what I disagree:
The guys you listed that Bama has played at QB are not what?
They're not Deshaun Watson...not even close. Watson besides being a tremendous athlete he reads defense better than any of the QB's you mentioned.
Let's talk about the corners Mac island and Tank. If Alabama wants to be successful at passing the ball you are correct... they better attack the 2nd level at the LB position. Why? IMO, Coker has NO shot at beating Tank and Mac island. These will be the best corners Bama has faced all year...and why will they be locked down in this game? Venables knows what I know.... We don't have to worry about Coker running the ball. Clemson has played so many teams with dual threat QB's lately that the secondary has to help with accountability. This game!!! Not so much.. it's do your job.
I completely disagree with your bets on Alabama, Clemson TT under and Alabama TT over. As a matter of fact.... I think the chances of Alabama team total going over 29 is are almost about slim and none....only way it happens is of course what you said.... Clemson turns the ball over, and special teams return or defensive TD's. I for one, am very confident that Alabama can NOT line up and drive the field and score offensively no more than 14 points...at best.
Forget the Deshaun vs Alabama focal point here.....The biggest advantage Clemson has in this game IMO, is the Clemson's DL completely getting after Jake Coker. I think at the end of the night every ESPN analysis and talking head will repeat what I'm about to say. Wow.....the Clemson DL took over this football game.
I have said it over and over....and it's simple. We have Deshaun Watson and you don't.
Look forward to you response....... I think we can give this forum a good conversation leading up to this game.
I said in my write-up that Deshaun Watson is better than the QBs I listed (Alabama faced this season), not that I think that will matter much. The same fate awaits him.
That's not to say that Watson will not make some plays, because I'm sure he will. I just think it won't be nearly enough to keep them in the game.
The duo that most closely resembles the Desahun Watson/Wayne Gallman combination is Joshua Dobbs/Jalen Hurd from Tennessee, and that duo did have the most success against Alabama this season. I think we'll see a similar performance and point output Monday night from Clemson.
Watson is a one read and run QB, so he is far from a defense reading savant. Most of his reads are pre-snap, not post-snap, ie. getting to his second and third reads. These are two completely different animals.
Clemson has two outstanding corners. Mac Alexander will almost certainly be a 1st round selection in the NFL draft. One of the biggest advantages that they confer is they provide Clemson's very quick defensive line to get coverage sacks.
I don't want to elaborate too much on this because none of us know how the Calvin Ridley/Mac Alexander will play out. What we do know is that NFL scouts rank Florida's CB Vernon Hargraves higher than Alexander, and Ridley had 8 catches for 102 yards against him.
I will also note that Hargraves is a far more battle tested CB than Alexander. Not only has Hargreaves faced Calvin Ridley, he has matched up against guys like Amari Cooper, LaqonTreadwell, Malachi Dupre, and he also went against Justin Hardy who plays for the Falcons. Outside of Will Fuller (who the corner from Temple kept in check) and Sterling Shepherd, who has Alexander gone against?
Moreover, in watching the Notre Dame/Clemson game, back-up QB DeShone Kizer had opportunities to get Fuller the ball, but whether it was ineptness on his part or the weather conditions, he wasn't able to do so.
Clemson's pass rush, while very good, is not likely to have much impact on this game. The salient issue is Clemson's front 7 getting mauled at the point of attack. And they aren't going to get mauled because they are bad, they are going to get mauled because a) they haven't faced anything remotely like Alabama's offensive line/Derrick Henry combination (Henry is as big or bigger than every linebacker Clemson has), and b) and most importantly, Clemson has no depth in their defensive front. You can put a NFL defensive line out there, but if you can't keep them fresh, they'll eventually wear down.
I have preached on this point more than once in the past. All teams have some great players, and Clemson is no different. But the #1 thing that sets Alabama apart from the rest of college football is depth. They can constantly rotate fresh guys into the game with no drop-off in performance. For example, Alabama has a potential NFL 1st rounder playing 3rd string on the defensive line. If Da' Shawn Hand played for any other team in the country, he'd be an every down DE.
So all the talk of shut down corners and great pass rush are rendered nugatory if Clemson's front 7 is getting blown up at the point of attack, which is exactly what's going to happen. Sure they'll hang tough in the 1st half, but they'll eventually get caught in the meat-grinder in the 2nd half when they inevitably wear down.
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Posted:
#638
Quote Originally Posted by mws:
Four of Bama's five non-conference opponents turned it over fewer than 3 times, so I'm not sure that's a reasonable assumption.
Four of Bama's five non-conference opponents turned it over fewer than 3 times, so I'm not sure that's a reasonable assumption.
Alabama and Clemson are similar offensively in that they both run the ball to set up the pass. To date no team this season has been able to make Clemson one-dimensional by taking away their running game. So what happens if Alabama gets a lead, takes away Clemson's bread and butter, contains Watson in the pocket and forces him to throw into tight windows? Now clearly those are a lot of "ifs", and much easier to type on a message board than actually make happen on the football field, but I think that's exactly what's going to happen in this game. And if I'm right, I don't think it's a stretch at all to surmise that Watson will make mistakes under those adverse conditions.
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Posted:
#640
Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:
I said in my write-up that Deshaun Watson is better than the QBs I listed (Alabama faced this season), not that I think that will matter much. The same fate awaits him.
That's not to say that Watson will not make some plays, because I'm sure he will. I just think it won't be nearly enough to keep them in the game.
The duo that most closely resembles the Desahun Watson/Wayne Gallman combination is Joshua Dobbs/Jalen Hurd from Tennessee, and that duo did have the most success against Alabama this season. I think we'll see a similar performance and point output Monday night from Clemson.
Watson is a one read and run QB, so he is far from a defense reading savant. Most of his reads are pre-snap, not post-snap, ie. getting to his second and third reads. These are two completely different animals.
Clemson has two outstanding corners. Mac Alexander will almost certainly be a 1st round selection in the NFL draft. One of the biggest advantages that they confer is they provide Clemson's very quick defensive line to get coverage sacks.
I don't want to elaborate too much on this because none of us know how the Calvin Ridley/Mac Alexander will play out. What we do know is that NFL scouts rank Florida's CB Vernon Hargraves higher than Alexander, and Ridley had 8 catches for 102 yards against him.
I will also note that Hargraves is a far more battle tested CB than Alexander. Not only has Hargreaves faced Calvin Ridley, he has matched up against guys like Amari Cooper, LaqonTreadwell, Malachi Dupre, and he also went against Justin Hardy who plays for the Falcons. Outside of Will Fuller (who the corner from Temple kept in check) and Sterling Shepherd, who has Alexander gone against?
Moreover, in watching the Notre Dame/Clemson game, back-up QB DeShone Kizer had opportunities to get Fuller the ball, but whether it was ineptness on his part or the weather conditions, he wasn't able to do so.
Clemson's pass rush, while very good, is not likely to have much impact on this game. The salient issue is Clemson's front 7 getting mauled at the point of attack. And they aren't going to get mauled because they are bad, they are going to get mauled because a) they haven't faced anything remotely like Alabama's offensive line/Derrick Henry combination (Henry is as big or bigger than every linebacker Clemson has), and b) and most importantly, Clemson has no depth in their defensive front. You can put a NFL defensive line out there, but if you can't keep them fresh, they'll eventually wear down.
I have preached on this point more than once in the past. All teams have some great players, and Clemson is no different. But the #1 thing that sets Alabama apart from the rest of college football is depth. They can constantly rotate fresh guys into the game with no drop-off in performance. For example, Alabama has a potential NFL 1st rounder playing 3rd string on the defensive line. If Da' Shawn Hand played for any other team in the country, he'd be an every down DE.
So all the talk of shut down corners and great pass rush are rendered nugatory if Clemson's front 7 is getting blown up at the point of attack, which is exactly what's going to happen. Sure they'll hang tough in the 1st half, but they'll eventually get caught in the meat-grinder in the 2nd half when they inevitably wear down.
I think you have the wrong read completely...
You have NOT watched film because Watson is not a one read/pre snap read only QB.... Watson might be the most cerebral QB in the country. This kid goes through his reads better than any QB Alabama has seen. The only QB I have seen that's better at reading a defense is Goff from Cal.
Another thing I'm completely shocked at is your thoughts on Clemson not having depth on the DL....LMAO. Are you kidding bro? This is a serious question. Lawson, Reader, Wilkins, Dodd, Pagano, Bryant, Watkins, Yeargin, are constantly rotating in and out....there are 4 other guys who play...but these 8 rotate out consistently through out the game.
Mac Island will take Ridley completely out of this game.
Where you say Clemson defense will have no impact.... I no certainly that this IS the group that will take over this game. Coker will be shook. Venables will lock the WR down man to man and put constant heat on that OL and Coker.
Where Alabama can have success is the intermediate passing game....crossing routes and screens.
Is Watson gonna do great things in this game? Yes.... He is the best player in the country.
I always enjoy your thoughts but it almost seems like there is NO RESPECT here for what Bama is about to go up against. Trust me, after about 3 drives in this game Bama will know they should have taken this game more seriously and not stroll in with the " we are Bama " attitude. I don't think there players respect Clemson and nor do I think Saban does....and they will be running into a hornets nest Monday night
jimmy0
Posted:
#641
Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:
Wow... very shocked at this statement.
This is very shocking to be honest.
Watson is the one of if not the most accurate passers in college football and can/will beat you with his arm.
This statement coming from you is shocking... almost like you haven't done your homework. If you think Watson can't beat Bama with his arm you are sadly mistaken
Wow... very shocked at this statement.
This is very shocking to be honest.
Watson is the one of if not the most accurate passers in college football and can/will beat you with his arm.
This statement coming from you is shocking... almost like you haven't done your homework. If you think Watson can't beat Bama with his arm you are sadly mistaken
I don't think it's quite as simple as that. See my response to mws.
If Clemson can remained balanced offensively, which is to say that they can run the ball effectively to set up the pass like they have done all season, then they will be successful offensively in this game. It's an entirely different calculus however, if Clemson can't run the ball, and Watson is forced to throw the ball into the teeth of Alabama's defense. No team has been able to do that to Clemson all season. Can Alabama? They will certainly try.
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#643
This is classic: This proven IDIOT BOOM telling a seasoned capper who actually has honor he hasn't watched film nor did anything he has said he has. Its almost not believable until you consider the source. The other classic line is " I'll stand behind my pick" Are you kidding me what are you going to do if you lose leave ! You have proven you will never leave you are like mold you cant leave you have no life ! This is truly unreal I give Jimmy all the credit for having the patience I did not after carving this idiot up on x and o's. Now that you have his home team he is "attempting" to sound educated when we all know he knows nothing about the x and o of the game. If you read Booms thread you walk away thinking Watson had a better arm then Marino and was a better runner then Bo Jackson ! Did he watch the South Carolina game ! YES the WORST Team in the SEC almost beat this team.. If he really was finally leaving he went our right. More delusional then at any point ..
I could do a write up a mile long in this thread of why Alabama will beat Clemson soundly but its not my thread. This life long covers loser just cannot let Jimmy have the attention he deserves even in his own thread ! He cant stand someone else getting the props he deserves.
He then says "I think you have the wrong read " ! Are you kidding me like you have any idea ? You have lost every big bet on this thread yet you are STILL HERE ! BEAT IT DUDE ! Best player in the country you are on crack .. Bama will push this team all over the field .. After this final beating please just leave ! If you disagree with his bets shut you mouth and bet the opposite ! I'd bet you 5 grand right now but we all know your word is worthless .. I thought I had seen it all but this takes the cake... And I'm sorry Its in this great mans thread but I read BOOMS breakdown of the game there isn't ONE technical reason he discuses that even is debatable ! Its his biased opinion about how great the Clemson players are lol its freaking hysterical ! Leave dude you are pathetic now trying to get any attention you can by debating guys like Jimmy who would eat your lunch.. I already have you know squat about the game.. You are a 40 something old un athletic pathetic cheerleader who has treated people like crap. You know NOTHING about football and are am embarrassment to anyone who has ever played the game.. Now beat it
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#645
Let's not forget that Bama has big name coaches that are unemployed helping them in preparation for this game, and another BIG factor is this though I don't know if it's been brought up yet since I haven't read the thread or visited the site in over a month....
Bama has basically THREE defensive coordinators prepping this game, Saban, Smart still being there and now pruitt from UGA taking over for him. That's a big factor
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#647
jimmy, i totally agree with you
clemson will probably make this a tight game in the first half
then fatigue and bama / defense / talent will take over in the second half...
i think the bama front 7 is too much for clemson...
pocket will collapse and watson will be running for his life...
he cant do it for entire 60 minutes right?
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#648
holy shiiit-balls!!!!...epic write-up and conversation,jimmydafreak.....and this coming from someone who doesnt watch nor follow the game at all......i wont give you shiit about your strong feelings on the game this time,but how do you rate your confidence level outta 10,if spartans game you were at 9.9 on the spread and 20 on the moneyline where do you sit on this one??..must be a little less surely given clemson offers so much more on offense.
.....and this coming from someone who doesnt watch nor follow the game at all......i wont give you shiit about your strong feelings on the game this time,but how do you rate your confidence level outta 10,if spartans game you were at 9.9 on the spread and 20 on the moneyline where do you sit on this one??..must be a little less surely given clemson offers so much more on offense.
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#650
Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:
holy shiiit-balls!!!!...epic write-up and conversation,jimmydafreak.....and this coming from someone who doesnt watch nor follow the game at all......i wont give you shiit about your strong feelings on the game this time,but how do you rate your confidence level outta 10,if spartans game you were at 9.9 on the spread and 20 on the moneyline where do you sit on this one??..must be a little less surely given clemson offers so much more on offense.
holy shiiit-balls!!!!...epic write-up and conversation,jimmydafreak
.....and this coming from someone who doesnt watch nor follow the game at all......i wont give you shiit about your strong feelings on the game this time,but how do you rate your confidence level outta 10,if spartans game you were at 9.9 on the spread and 20 on the moneyline where do you sit on this one??..must be a little less surely given clemson offers so much more on offense. 10 - this going to be murder on national television.
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