guy on jim romes radio show today on how some college games are fixed
I read up on this game b/c I was curious. Moniz threw 0 interceptions but fumbled 2X. And was constantly pressured all game. Hawaii had 2 other fumbles. And the Hawaii D gave up 40 points.
If the game was fixed, then the entire OL and Defense had to be on the fix as well. That's a lot of guys you need to keep quiet. Plus, who cares if he stepped into a casino? If a guy fixed a game, the LAST place he'd want to show up is a casino.
Not necessarily. This game was the absolute PERFECT game for him to throw considering all the factors.
1. OL wouldn't have to have been in on it. UH hasn't had a solid OL since June Jones' teams. Moniz's scrambling ability was a huge asset for him and UH in getting first downs and mitigated a lot of OL problems. Easy to force punts and make it look like the OL's fault if you don't really use your best asset (his feet). A punt in a turnover anyways right?
2. Back to Back road game. UH has always been poor on the road. Back to Back one? A loss wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.
3. UH's defense has never been special. It would only take a little nudge by an inefficient offense to open the floodgates, tire out the defense, and make it look like the D is the reason they lost. An inefficient O can be a big cause of a poor defensive performance as the D is on the field way too long (NY Jets or Houston Texans anyone?). Again, no offense for the 1Q, give UNLV a nice cushion, then "play" as if you are making a comeback, sprinkled in with a TO or punt here and there? not that hard.
4. UH had already lost to UW the week prior in a close game. Losing to UNLV would have absolutely no bearing on their season. What's another non-conference loss to a mid-major like UH? They still Hawaii bowl bound either way really.
5. Huge ML. With a ML that big, you could make it a one time deal (although i don't think this was the only time). Especially if you have a bookie in the family. Casino or online book isn't the ONLY way to bet...especially in Hawaii. I can tell you A LOT of Hawaii fans bet this game. Coming off 2010 (10-4), beating Colorado to open 2011 and then following that up with a great showing @UW, expectations were high for this UH team. Alot of buzz was floating around. then the UNLV turd.
I have no doubt this game was thrown and purposely for the ML, not just in terms of the spread. Of course I have no proof so, my opinion means nothing. ![]()
I read up on this game b/c I was curious. Moniz threw 0 interceptions but fumbled 2X. And was constantly pressured all game. Hawaii had 2 other fumbles. And the Hawaii D gave up 40 points.
If the game was fixed, then the entire OL and Defense had to be on the fix as well. That's a lot of guys you need to keep quiet. Plus, who cares if he stepped into a casino? If a guy fixed a game, the LAST place he'd want to show up is a casino.
Not necessarily. This game was the absolute PERFECT game for him to throw considering all the factors.
1. OL wouldn't have to have been in on it. UH hasn't had a solid OL since June Jones' teams. Moniz's scrambling ability was a huge asset for him and UH in getting first downs and mitigated a lot of OL problems. Easy to force punts and make it look like the OL's fault if you don't really use your best asset (his feet). A punt in a turnover anyways right?
2. Back to Back road game. UH has always been poor on the road. Back to Back one? A loss wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.
3. UH's defense has never been special. It would only take a little nudge by an inefficient offense to open the floodgates, tire out the defense, and make it look like the D is the reason they lost. An inefficient O can be a big cause of a poor defensive performance as the D is on the field way too long (NY Jets or Houston Texans anyone?). Again, no offense for the 1Q, give UNLV a nice cushion, then "play" as if you are making a comeback, sprinkled in with a TO or punt here and there? not that hard.
4. UH had already lost to UW the week prior in a close game. Losing to UNLV would have absolutely no bearing on their season. What's another non-conference loss to a mid-major like UH? They still Hawaii bowl bound either way really.
5. Huge ML. With a ML that big, you could make it a one time deal (although i don't think this was the only time). Especially if you have a bookie in the family. Casino or online book isn't the ONLY way to bet...especially in Hawaii. I can tell you A LOT of Hawaii fans bet this game. Coming off 2010 (10-4), beating Colorado to open 2011 and then following that up with a great showing @UW, expectations were high for this UH team. Alot of buzz was floating around. then the UNLV turd.
I have no doubt this game was thrown and purposely for the ML, not just in terms of the spread. Of course I have no proof so, my opinion means nothing. ![]()
Not necessarily. This game was the absolute PERFECT game for him to throw considering all the factors.
1. OL wouldn't have to have been in on it. UH hasn't had a solid OL since June Jones' teams. Moniz's scrambling ability was a huge asset for him and UH in getting first downs and mitigated a lot of OL problems. Easy to force punts and make it look like the OL's fault if you don't really use your best asset (his feet). A punt in a turnover anyways right?
2. Back to Back road game. UH has always been poor on the road. Back to Back one? A loss wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.
3. UH's defense has never been special. It would only take a little nudge by an inefficient offense to open the floodgates, tire out the defense, and make it look like the D is the reason they lost. An inefficient O can be a big cause of a poor defensive performance as the D is on the field way too long (NY Jets or Houston Texans anyone?). Again, no offense for the 1Q, give UNLV a nice cushion, then "play" as if you are making a comeback, sprinkled in with a TO or punt here and there? not that hard.
4. UH had already lost to UW the week prior in a close game. Losing to UNLV would have absolutely no bearing on their season. What's another non-conference loss to a mid-major like UH? They still Hawaii bowl bound either way really.
5. Huge ML. With a ML that big, you could make it a one time deal (although i don't think this was the only time). Especially if you have a bookie in the family. Casino or online book isn't the ONLY way to bet...especially in Hawaii. I can tell you A LOT of Hawaii fans bet this game. Coming off 2010 (10-4), beating Colorado to open 2011 and then following that up with a great showing @UW, expectations were high for this UH team. Alot of buzz was floating around. then the UNLV turd.
I have no doubt this game was thrown and purposely for the ML, not just in terms of the spread. Of course I have no proof so, my opinion means nothing.
But if Moniz "tanked" that's different than "fixing". He might've thought the team was weak from the letdown the prior week, he knew he's suck and the ML pays great odds.
But that's different than "fixing" a game. The UNLV offense was beyond horrible all year. The fact they scored 40 was quite an accomplishment - even vs a team whose QB was trying to tank. It's doubtful the entire Hawaii defense was in the on tank. They just sucked. Moniz might've had some insight since he's w/ the team the whole time.
Still too much uncertainty to "fix" the game though. Really, compare with this college basketball where it happens ALL THE TIME. If you're a fixer, why bother with college football where you need the QB, the coach, the CBs, and potential others and even then the other team might eff it up so bad you still don't cover? Just stick with soccer and basketball where fixing is so much easier.
Not necessarily. This game was the absolute PERFECT game for him to throw considering all the factors.
1. OL wouldn't have to have been in on it. UH hasn't had a solid OL since June Jones' teams. Moniz's scrambling ability was a huge asset for him and UH in getting first downs and mitigated a lot of OL problems. Easy to force punts and make it look like the OL's fault if you don't really use your best asset (his feet). A punt in a turnover anyways right?
2. Back to Back road game. UH has always been poor on the road. Back to Back one? A loss wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.
3. UH's defense has never been special. It would only take a little nudge by an inefficient offense to open the floodgates, tire out the defense, and make it look like the D is the reason they lost. An inefficient O can be a big cause of a poor defensive performance as the D is on the field way too long (NY Jets or Houston Texans anyone?). Again, no offense for the 1Q, give UNLV a nice cushion, then "play" as if you are making a comeback, sprinkled in with a TO or punt here and there? not that hard.
4. UH had already lost to UW the week prior in a close game. Losing to UNLV would have absolutely no bearing on their season. What's another non-conference loss to a mid-major like UH? They still Hawaii bowl bound either way really.
5. Huge ML. With a ML that big, you could make it a one time deal (although i don't think this was the only time). Especially if you have a bookie in the family. Casino or online book isn't the ONLY way to bet...especially in Hawaii. I can tell you A LOT of Hawaii fans bet this game. Coming off 2010 (10-4), beating Colorado to open 2011 and then following that up with a great showing @UW, expectations were high for this UH team. Alot of buzz was floating around. then the UNLV turd.
I have no doubt this game was thrown and purposely for the ML, not just in terms of the spread. Of course I have no proof so, my opinion means nothing.
But if Moniz "tanked" that's different than "fixing". He might've thought the team was weak from the letdown the prior week, he knew he's suck and the ML pays great odds.
But that's different than "fixing" a game. The UNLV offense was beyond horrible all year. The fact they scored 40 was quite an accomplishment - even vs a team whose QB was trying to tank. It's doubtful the entire Hawaii defense was in the on tank. They just sucked. Moniz might've had some insight since he's w/ the team the whole time.
Still too much uncertainty to "fix" the game though. Really, compare with this college basketball where it happens ALL THE TIME. If you're a fixer, why bother with college football where you need the QB, the coach, the CBs, and potential others and even then the other team might eff it up so bad you still don't cover? Just stick with soccer and basketball where fixing is so much easier.
not legit...not in college football...college basketball is another story...1 player can impact a cover...football it would take a half a team, and people talk...
I'm positive this stuff happens, just have no real idea of the extent.
Absolutely 100% happens, I'm not going to elaborate for all these people & put myself in that situation but it happens in several NCAA sports, definitely football
not legit...not in college football...college basketball is another story...1 player can impact a cover...football it would take a half a team, and people talk...
I'm positive this stuff happens, just have no real idea of the extent.
Absolutely 100% happens, I'm not going to elaborate for all these people & put myself in that situation but it happens in several NCAA sports, definitely football
Sure it happens, but I am also sure it is fairly rare......I just figure that over the long-haul, you have to believe that you will be on the "right" side of fixes as much as the "wrong"......
If you are really that concerned about it, just quit betting the sport.....
Ultimately, this is just great fodder for all the touts out there who try and convince the world they have all the inside info....
Much ado about nothing............
Sure it happens, but I am also sure it is fairly rare......I just figure that over the long-haul, you have to believe that you will be on the "right" side of fixes as much as the "wrong"......
If you are really that concerned about it, just quit betting the sport.....
Ultimately, this is just great fodder for all the touts out there who try and convince the world they have all the inside info....
Much ado about nothing............
I read up on this game b/c I was curious. Moniz threw 0 interceptions but fumbled 2X. And was constantly pressured all game. Hawaii had 2 other fumbles. And the Hawaii D gave up 40 points.
If the game was fixed, then the entire OL and Defense had to be on the fix as well. That's a lot of guys you need to keep quiet. Plus, who cares if he stepped into a casino? If a guy fixed a game, the LAST place he'd want to show up is a casino.
I read up on this game b/c I was curious. Moniz threw 0 interceptions but fumbled 2X. And was constantly pressured all game. Hawaii had 2 other fumbles. And the Hawaii D gave up 40 points.
If the game was fixed, then the entire OL and Defense had to be on the fix as well. That's a lot of guys you need to keep quiet. Plus, who cares if he stepped into a casino? If a guy fixed a game, the LAST place he'd want to show up is a casino.
Sure it happens, but I am also sure it is fairly rare......I just figure that over the long-haul, you have to believe that you will be on the "right" side of fixes as much as the "wrong"......
Sure it happens, but I am also sure it is fairly rare......I just figure that over the long-haul, you have to believe that you will be on the "right" side of fixes as much as the "wrong"......
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