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    guy on jim romes radio show today on how some college games are fixed

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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2014 - 7:49 PM ET #51

    Definitely happens in college football and basketball. The Toledo scheme was blown up by Las Vegas Sportbooks. They noticed unusual betting patterns on their games and had an investigation launched. It's got to be harder for them to spot it on the big conference teams tho
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    Definitely happens in college football and basketball. The Toledo scheme was blown up by Las Vegas Sportbooks. They noticed unusual betting patterns on their games and had an investigation launched. It's got to be harder for them to spot it on the big conference teams tho
     
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2014 - 8:50 PM ET #52

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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2014 - 9:35 PM ET #53

    The Seminoles (Criminoles) were the best point shavers I have ever seen. 2009-2012 seasons they shaved at home against cup cakes. 
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    The Seminoles (Criminoles) were the best point shavers I have ever seen. 2009-2012 seasons they shaved at home against cup cakes. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2014 - 9:59 PM ET #54

    I think Seminoles shaved in the first half and now it looks like Louisville is shaving in the second half.
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    I think Seminoles shaved in the first half and now it looks like Louisville is shaving in the second half.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2014 - 11:13 PM ET #55

    well if u heard the convo on the radio the guy sounded like he knew what he was talking about the badgers UNLV game when the lights went out that friday night was very shady with only a few mins before the game became offical i think it had to go 55 mins and the man cut the power out at 52 mins if i recall right ......
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    well if u heard the convo on the radio the guy sounded like he knew what he was talking about the badgers UNLV game when the lights went out that friday night was very shady with only a few mins before the game became offical i think it had to go 55 mins and the man cut the power out at 52 mins if i recall right ......
     
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2014 - 11:21 PM ET #56

    by the way jim rome has a horse in the 5 million breeders cup classic named shared belif plus cal crome is in the race i think he is the second choice at 4 to 1.. romes horse is the 9/5 fav with the hall of famer mike smith  in the irons but im leaning tolist the belmont winner and a horse trianed by bill mott name cigar street a lightly raced 3 yr old .....
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    by the way jim rome has a horse in the 5 million breeders cup classic named shared belif plus cal crome is in the race i think he is the second choice at 4 to 1.. romes horse is the 9/5 fav with the hall of famer mike smith  in the irons but im leaning tolist the belmont winner and a horse trianed by bill mott name cigar street a lightly raced 3 yr old .....
     
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2014 - 11:35 PM ET #57

    Don't know if Tonalist can win outside of New York..
    Cigar street is the wise guy horse odds will be short
    Shared belief will be tough to beat..
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    Don't know if Tonalist can win outside of New York..
    Cigar street is the wise guy horse odds will be short
    Shared belief will be tough to beat..
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2014 - 11:55 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by composite:

    I read up on this game b/c I was curious.  Moniz threw 0 interceptions but fumbled 2X.  And was constantly pressured all game.  Hawaii had 2 other fumbles.  And the Hawaii D gave up 40 points. 

    If the game was fixed, then the entire OL and Defense had to be on the fix as well. That's a lot of guys you need to keep quiet.  Plus, who cares if he stepped into a casino? If a guy fixed a game, the LAST place he'd want to show up is a casino.

     

    Not necessarily.  This game was the absolute PERFECT game for him to throw considering all the factors.

    1.  OL wouldn't have to have been in on it.  UH hasn't had a solid OL since June Jones' teams.  Moniz's scrambling ability was a huge asset for him and UH in getting first downs and mitigated a lot of OL problems.  Easy to force punts and make it look like the OL's fault if you don't really use your best asset (his feet).  A punt in a turnover anyways right?

    2.  Back to Back road game.  UH has always been poor on the road.  Back to Back one?  A loss wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.

    3.  UH's defense has never been special.  It would only take a little nudge by an inefficient offense to open the floodgates, tire out the defense, and make it look like the D is the reason they lost.  An inefficient O can be a big cause of a poor defensive performance as the D is on the field way too long (NY Jets or Houston Texans anyone?).  Again, no offense for the 1Q, give UNLV a nice cushion, then "play" as if you are making a comeback, sprinkled in with a TO or punt here and there?  not that hard.

    4.  UH had already lost to UW the week prior in a close game.  Losing to UNLV would have absolutely no bearing on their season.  What's another non-conference loss to a mid-major like UH?  They still Hawaii bowl bound either way really.

    5.  Huge ML.  With a ML that big, you could make it a one time deal (although i don't think this was the only time).  Especially if you have a bookie in the family.  Casino or online book isn't the ONLY way to bet...especially in Hawaii.  I can tell you A LOT of Hawaii fans bet this game.  Coming off 2010 (10-4), beating Colorado to open 2011 and then following that up with a great showing @UW, expectations were high for this UH team.  Alot of buzz was floating around.  then the UNLV turd.

    I have no doubt this game was thrown and purposely for the ML, not just in terms of the spread.  Of course I have no proof so, my opinion means nothing.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by composite:

    I read up on this game b/c I was curious.  Moniz threw 0 interceptions but fumbled 2X.  And was constantly pressured all game.  Hawaii had 2 other fumbles.  And the Hawaii D gave up 40 points. 

    If the game was fixed, then the entire OL and Defense had to be on the fix as well. That's a lot of guys you need to keep quiet.  Plus, who cares if he stepped into a casino? If a guy fixed a game, the LAST place he'd want to show up is a casino.

     

    Not necessarily.  This game was the absolute PERFECT game for him to throw considering all the factors.

    1.  OL wouldn't have to have been in on it.  UH hasn't had a solid OL since June Jones' teams.  Moniz's scrambling ability was a huge asset for him and UH in getting first downs and mitigated a lot of OL problems.  Easy to force punts and make it look like the OL's fault if you don't really use your best asset (his feet).  A punt in a turnover anyways right?

    2.  Back to Back road game.  UH has always been poor on the road.  Back to Back one?  A loss wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.

    3.  UH's defense has never been special.  It would only take a little nudge by an inefficient offense to open the floodgates, tire out the defense, and make it look like the D is the reason they lost.  An inefficient O can be a big cause of a poor defensive performance as the D is on the field way too long (NY Jets or Houston Texans anyone?).  Again, no offense for the 1Q, give UNLV a nice cushion, then "play" as if you are making a comeback, sprinkled in with a TO or punt here and there?  not that hard.

    4.  UH had already lost to UW the week prior in a close game.  Losing to UNLV would have absolutely no bearing on their season.  What's another non-conference loss to a mid-major like UH?  They still Hawaii bowl bound either way really.

    5.  Huge ML.  With a ML that big, you could make it a one time deal (although i don't think this was the only time).  Especially if you have a bookie in the family.  Casino or online book isn't the ONLY way to bet...especially in Hawaii.  I can tell you A LOT of Hawaii fans bet this game.  Coming off 2010 (10-4), beating Colorado to open 2011 and then following that up with a great showing @UW, expectations were high for this UH team.  Alot of buzz was floating around.  then the UNLV turd.

    I have no doubt this game was thrown and purposely for the ML, not just in terms of the spread.  Of course I have no proof so, my opinion means nothing.  

     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2014 - 12:19 AM ET #59

    It happens more than some people think. But no where near as much as some other people think.

    If it happened a lot, by now some broke behind Jose Canseco wannabe would come forward and sell his story and rat others out and write a book so he could buy some crack.

    It's always "some guy" that says it. 


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    It happens more than some people think. But no where near as much as some other people think.

    If it happened a lot, by now some broke behind Jose Canseco wannabe would come forward and sell his story and rat others out and write a book so he could buy some crack.

    It's always "some guy" that says it. 


     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2014 - 12:22 AM ET #60

    Can't say broke  a s s  on this cheesey website. 
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2014 - 12:50 AM ET #61

    you guys sound like a bunch of pathetic action junkie gamblers...it may happen, but I don't think its wide spread in college football...every time a bad break happens, losers like you guys, advocate that it must be fix...maybe its just bad luck...
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    you guys sound like a bunch of pathetic action junkie gamblers...it may happen, but I don't think its wide spread in college football...every time a bad break happens, losers like you guys, advocate that it must be fix...maybe its just bad luck...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2014 - 1:10 AM ET #62

    How many plays do u make in a week 10-25 ,25-50, over50. Fix games have allways been around . Vegas catches very few. But less then .001percent  are even question.  money management this is a long haul quest.   Been doing these since 1978  ask omar Rashard against the browns adout fix games  wrong side of that one
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    How many plays do u make in a week 10-25 ,25-50, over50. Fix games have allways been around . Vegas catches very few. But less then .001percent  are even question.  money management this is a long haul quest.   Been doing these since 1978  ask omar Rashard against the browns adout fix games  wrong side of that one
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:

    Not necessarily.  This game was the absolute PERFECT game for him to throw considering all the factors.

    1.  OL wouldn't have to have been in on it.  UH hasn't had a solid OL since June Jones' teams.  Moniz's scrambling ability was a huge asset for him and UH in getting first downs and mitigated a lot of OL problems.  Easy to force punts and make it look like the OL's fault if you don't really use your best asset (his feet).  A punt in a turnover anyways right?

    2.  Back to Back road game.  UH has always been poor on the road.  Back to Back one?  A loss wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.

    3.  UH's defense has never been special.  It would only take a little nudge by an inefficient offense to open the floodgates, tire out the defense, and make it look like the D is the reason they lost.  An inefficient O can be a big cause of a poor defensive performance as the D is on the field way too long (NY Jets or Houston Texans anyone?).  Again, no offense for the 1Q, give UNLV a nice cushion, then "play" as if you are making a comeback, sprinkled in with a TO or punt here and there?  not that hard.

    4.  UH had already lost to UW the week prior in a close game.  Losing to UNLV would have absolutely no bearing on their season.  What's another non-conference loss to a mid-major like UH?  They still Hawaii bowl bound either way really.

    5.  Huge ML.  With a ML that big, you could make it a one time deal (although i don't think this was the only time).  Especially if you have a bookie in the family.  Casino or online book isn't the ONLY way to bet...especially in Hawaii.  I can tell you A LOT of Hawaii fans bet this game.  Coming off 2010 (10-4), beating Colorado to open 2011 and then following that up with a great showing @UW, expectations were high for this UH team.  Alot of buzz was floating around.  then the UNLV turd.

    I have no doubt this game was thrown and purposely for the ML, not just in terms of the spread.  Of course I have no proof so, my opinion means nothing.  

    But if Moniz "tanked" that's different than "fixing".  He might've thought the team was weak from the letdown the prior week, he knew he's suck and the ML pays great odds.

    But that's different than "fixing" a game.  The UNLV offense was beyond horrible all year.  The fact they scored 40 was quite an accomplishment - even vs a team whose QB was trying to tank.  It's doubtful the entire Hawaii defense was in the on tank. They just sucked.  Moniz might've had some insight since he's w/ the team the whole time.

    Still too much uncertainty to "fix" the game though.  Really, compare with this college basketball where it happens ALL THE TIME. If you're a fixer, why bother with college football where you need the QB, the coach, the CBs, and potential others and even then the other team might eff it up so bad you still don't cover?  Just stick with soccer and basketball where fixing is so much easier.

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    Not necessarily.  This game was the absolute PERFECT game for him to throw considering all the factors.

    1.  OL wouldn't have to have been in on it.  UH hasn't had a solid OL since June Jones' teams.  Moniz's scrambling ability was a huge asset for him and UH in getting first downs and mitigated a lot of OL problems.  Easy to force punts and make it look like the OL's fault if you don't really use your best asset (his feet).  A punt in a turnover anyways right?

    2.  Back to Back road game.  UH has always been poor on the road.  Back to Back one?  A loss wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.

    3.  UH's defense has never been special.  It would only take a little nudge by an inefficient offense to open the floodgates, tire out the defense, and make it look like the D is the reason they lost.  An inefficient O can be a big cause of a poor defensive performance as the D is on the field way too long (NY Jets or Houston Texans anyone?).  Again, no offense for the 1Q, give UNLV a nice cushion, then "play" as if you are making a comeback, sprinkled in with a TO or punt here and there?  not that hard.

    4.  UH had already lost to UW the week prior in a close game.  Losing to UNLV would have absolutely no bearing on their season.  What's another non-conference loss to a mid-major like UH?  They still Hawaii bowl bound either way really.

    5.  Huge ML.  With a ML that big, you could make it a one time deal (although i don't think this was the only time).  Especially if you have a bookie in the family.  Casino or online book isn't the ONLY way to bet...especially in Hawaii.  I can tell you A LOT of Hawaii fans bet this game.  Coming off 2010 (10-4), beating Colorado to open 2011 and then following that up with a great showing @UW, expectations were high for this UH team.  Alot of buzz was floating around.  then the UNLV turd.

    I have no doubt this game was thrown and purposely for the ML, not just in terms of the spread.  Of course I have no proof so, my opinion means nothing.  

    But if Moniz "tanked" that's different than "fixing".  He might've thought the team was weak from the letdown the prior week, he knew he's suck and the ML pays great odds.

    But that's different than "fixing" a game.  The UNLV offense was beyond horrible all year.  The fact they scored 40 was quite an accomplishment - even vs a team whose QB was trying to tank.  It's doubtful the entire Hawaii defense was in the on tank. They just sucked.  Moniz might've had some insight since he's w/ the team the whole time.

    Still too much uncertainty to "fix" the game though.  Really, compare with this college basketball where it happens ALL THE TIME. If you're a fixer, why bother with college football where you need the QB, the coach, the CBs, and potential others and even then the other team might eff it up so bad you still don't cover?  Just stick with soccer and basketball where fixing is so much easier.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Quote Originally Posted by LonghornHoosier:

    not legit...not in college football...college basketball is another story...1 player can impact a cover...football it would take a half a team, and people talk...
    Nah. A qb and rb can make it tough for their team to win.....as can a corner that "keeps getting burned"....
    I'm positive this stuff happens, just have no real idea of the extent.


    Absolutely 100% happens, I'm not going to elaborate for all these people & put myself in that situation but it happens in several NCAA sports, definitely football

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonghornHoosier:

    not legit...not in college football...college basketball is another story...1 player can impact a cover...football it would take a half a team, and people talk...
    Nah. A qb and rb can make it tough for their team to win.....as can a corner that "keeps getting burned"....
    I'm positive this stuff happens, just have no real idea of the extent.


    Absolutely 100% happens, I'm not going to elaborate for all these people & put myself in that situation but it happens in several NCAA sports, definitely football

     
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    Sure it happens, but I am also sure it is fairly rare......I just figure that over the long-haul, you have to believe that you will be on the "right" side of fixes as much as the "wrong"......

    If you are really that concerned about it, just quit betting the sport.....

    Ultimately, this is just great fodder for all the touts out there who try and convince the world they have all the inside info....

    Much ado about nothing............

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    Sure it happens, but I am also sure it is fairly rare......I just figure that over the long-haul, you have to believe that you will be on the "right" side of fixes as much as the "wrong"......

    If you are really that concerned about it, just quit betting the sport.....

    Ultimately, this is just great fodder for all the touts out there who try and convince the world they have all the inside info....

    Much ado about nothing............

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by composite:

    I read up on this game b/c I was curious.  Moniz threw 0 interceptions but fumbled 2X.  And was constantly pressured all game.  Hawaii had 2 other fumbles.  And the Hawaii D gave up 40 points. 

    If the game was fixed, then the entire OL and Defense had to be on the fix as well. That's a lot of guys you need to keep quiet.  Plus, who cares if he stepped into a casino? If a guy fixed a game, the LAST place he'd want to show up is a casino.

     



    I absolutely guarantee that game was fixed!  I would bet any amount of money on it, if it were possible to do so... and that wasn't the only game Hawaii fixed that year... they also threw their game against SJ St, if memory serves me correctly...

    It is beyond question!
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    I read up on this game b/c I was curious.  Moniz threw 0 interceptions but fumbled 2X.  And was constantly pressured all game.  Hawaii had 2 other fumbles.  And the Hawaii D gave up 40 points. 

    If the game was fixed, then the entire OL and Defense had to be on the fix as well. That's a lot of guys you need to keep quiet.  Plus, who cares if he stepped into a casino? If a guy fixed a game, the LAST place he'd want to show up is a casino.

     



    I absolutely guarantee that game was fixed!  I would bet any amount of money on it, if it were possible to do so... and that wasn't the only game Hawaii fixed that year... they also threw their game against SJ St, if memory serves me correctly...

    It is beyond question!
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymo:

    Sure it happens, but I am also sure it is fairly rare......I just figure that over the long-haul, you have to believe that you will be on the "right" side of fixes as much as the "wrong"......



    I agree with this!  Over the long haul, you should benefit just as often as not... if you think every game you lose is fixed, then that is in your head!

    But CFB games are definitely fixed, from time to time...
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    Sure it happens, but I am also sure it is fairly rare......I just figure that over the long-haul, you have to believe that you will be on the "right" side of fixes as much as the "wrong"......



    I agree with this!  Over the long haul, you should benefit just as often as not... if you think every game you lose is fixed, then that is in your head!

    But CFB games are definitely fixed, from time to time...
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