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#26
Your not guaranteed a Win only to be entertained .
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guy on jim romes radio show today on how some college games are fixed
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#27
I beleive it occurs for multiple reasons, debt, poor families, not having the chance to go to the next level. Especailly on games with big point spreads, the main thing is their teams win but the cover is a diffrent and seperate issue.
I would, why not if i have 50 K in student loans or my family is struggling to get by, my mom has two work two jobs and so on.
you praactically can call a hold on every down, easy to fumble trying to get those extra yards, muffed punt all too EZ to make look real.
How about the guys you scratch your head on say why did he catch the punt inside the 5 and fair catch to boot?
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#28
I watched Bridgewater last year shaving points so don't tell me its not possible.....he scored at will in the first half.....get to 4th quarter, march 80 yards every drive "at will"..... Then incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, field goal every single drive.....and guess what, missed the over by a couple points. And it's funny everyone was on the over. Way to obvious there Teddy. Yes college kids shave points when they know they can toy with the other team. Its a fact. ECU did it twice this year
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#30
What you guys are naïve about is the level of control a player has in college football. An offensive player never plays defense. Or special teams. You're only on the field HALF THE TIME (actually a little less). That means you can't control what happens in HALF THE GAME!
Think about it if you're the fixer. Your QB can be shitty. But what happens if the other team's QB is even shittier? Or the defense scores a bunch of TDs? You can't control that.
In basketball there's only 5 players and they play both offense and defense. Of course you could fix that easily. It happens all the time. And same w/ soccer. The goalie has so much more influence than a football QB.
The Hawaii QB story is the only one that might be possible. A fixer could count on huge odds so he won't care in case he loses. But I'd figure that massive bets on big underdogs raise lots of red flags with Vegas bookies.
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#31
It's unfortunate that if you screw up, it opens the floodgates for allegations of shaving points. Crap happens on the field of play. A receiver runs the run route on a timing pattern. The cornerback gets picked and falls behind his man by a step and gives up a score. A running back fumbles because the center misses his block. Gamblers are too quick to yell fix or point shaving when the contest does not go their way.
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#35
Just like the onside kick in the final mins of the OU/Ore game a few years back.. Im sure Duck Fan remembers... Sooners OBVIOUSLY recovered onside kick. Officials IMMEDIATELY signaled a recovery by Ducks...everyone and their Mom saw that the OU guy was walking off the field with the ball....
I lean more to officials on the take BUT i agree that point shaving has and will always be around..esp Basketball
I lean more to officials on the take BUT i agree that point shaving has and will always be around..esp Basketball
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#37
Quote Originally Posted by crafty_cockney:
college football is bent as a nine bob note
you see it in the games where a team should
win by 21 but only wins by 7
its always the games that are stick out
too good to be true lines
It is normal in sports for the losing team to play harder at the end of the game and if you are fixing a game, you don't let it come down to the last drive if you can help it.
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#41
Quote Originally Posted by salanoa:
Sometimes the players know they will never make the pros so they wait till a game comes around to make money..
Sometimes the players know they will never make the pros so they wait till a game comes around to make money..
Bryant Moniz (UH Quarterback) went into unlv as double digit favorites came out with a straight up loss..
Reports seen him leaving a casino....
Reports say his uncle was a bookie...
After he graduated he was seen driving around in an escalade..
This was a kid that was a walk on had no scholarship and was still delivering pizza while being on the UH roster..
ML on that game was +1900
I honestly can not believe what I just read!!!
My buddy and I used to always say that this kid was on the take. He didn't even try to hide it.
Thanks for the confirmation, salanoa!
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everyone.....
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#47
Nevada keeps an eye on this all the time. When heavy money comes in on one side phones are ringing between sportsbook managers. They watch this crap pretty close. Can they stop it? No. Is it widespread? No.
I mentioned earlier Hedake Smith (guard @ Arizona St. basketball) about getting caught shaving points. It was actually Vegas that caught him. They noticed large amounts of money being bet on certain ASU games. Big red flag. Especially if they have never seen the bettors before. Anyways it was investigated and he was charged. Vegas would hate to lose sports gambling because of widespread cheating. They have a BIG dog in the fight to prevent this. Sports bettors also play craps, blackjack, roulette etc... It would cost them billions.
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#48
Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:
UL-LAF did this guy cite any examples on Rome's show? It would be interesting to go back and watch a game or 2 that he said was fixed.
no he did not cite any examaples but he did say a lotta reasons to think that a lotta games are being fixed because its all about the spreadUL-LAF did this guy cite any examples on Rome's show? It would be interesting to go back and watch a game or 2 that he said was fixed.
Another question, has anybody on here ever talked to a former player that admits to doing this or even one of their teammates?
I remember back in the 90's Hedake Smith (guard on Ariz. St. basketball team) got busted for point shaving. So we know that it does happen. I have never heard of a case in college football though.
now a days even the TV anouncers talk about it now ....i know al michels and brent and few more have been talking about it for years but but now yo every day joe talks about the number and dese kids are getting in over there heads in debt so put 2 and 2 and cee what it adds up to .....u figure out the rest somebody is ready take some chances.....
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#49
Quote Originally Posted by salanoa:
Sometimes the players know they will never make the pros so they wait till a game comes around to make money..
Sometimes the players know they will never make the pros so they wait till a game comes around to make money..
Bryant Moniz (UH Quarterback) went into unlv as double digit favorites came out with a straight up loss..
Reports seen him leaving a casino....
Reports say his uncle was a bookie...
After he graduated he was seen driving around in an escalade..
This was a kid that was a walk on had no scholarship and was still delivering pizza while being on the UH roster..
ML on that game was +1900
I read up on this game b/c I was curious. Moniz threw 0 interceptions but fumbled 2X. And was constantly pressured all game. Hawaii had 2 other fumbles. And the Hawaii D gave up 40 points.
If the game was fixed, then the entire OL and Defense had to be on the fix as well. That's a lot of guys you need to keep quiet. Plus, who cares if he stepped into a casino? If a guy fixed a game, the LAST place he'd want to show up is a casino.
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