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tdsONE

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Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 5:14 PM ET #51

-Ice4blood-

"oh come on Jimmy! you think Oregon is scared of Alabama? you have to be fucking kidding me! that offense is so ridiculously inept... there is very little chance Alabama would stand of outscoring Oregon... maybe on their absolute best day..."

Bama may not have the same caliber O but we saw what that Ducks Offense did against a stout D like LSU and Auburn last year. and statistically Bama D is better than both LSU this yr and Auburn last yr.

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Ice4Blood

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Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 5:17 PM ET #52

yea, but... both Auburn (last year) and LSU (this year) have vastly superior offenses to what Alabama puts on the field...

Oregon outplayed Auburn last year in the NC game, but came up about 1 mistake short... nobody in their right mind could have watched that game and not recognized that those two teams were dead even...

you telling me Bama this year is as good as Auburn last year? cuz i beg to differ, very strongly... Oregon, on the other hand, is just as good or better...

Oregon would be favored over Bama by gametime on a neutral field, you can bet your ass on that much!

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tdsONE

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Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 5:33 PM ET #53

Ice4Blood-

"you telling me Bama this year is as good as Auburn last year? cuz i beg to differ, very strongly... Oregon, on the other hand, is just as good or better.."

No I dont think so. Oregon is def as good or better than last yr. Im not that impressed with Bama as the best team. Maybe best D but they do have more weaknesses than last yrs Auburn squad. I love watching Ducks play they are great, they just seem to have a hard time on neutral field when their opponents D is real good. They just seem to lose the battle up front and get worn down over the course of the game. LSu has so much depth they just plug in another stud at almost every position. I really thought LSU was in trouble vs. Ducks in that opener with Sheppard and Jefferson out but they werent missed. Oregon did show some depth on O when Thomas and LJ went down at the same time. but it really do seem there issue is not the skill players or skill player depth its the O and D lines that cant run with the stronger SEC Ds.

BTW i had Ducks in last yrs NC game

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lallypop

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Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 5:42 PM ET #54

Quote Originally Posted by rLp:

How in the hell would Ark get into the NC game? They got crushed by 'Bama. Even if they beat LSU, they would still have one loss. If 'Bama wins out, they would have one loss. 'Bama's one loss would be in overtime to the #1 team in the country. Ark's one loss would be to 'Bama. How does Ark jump a team that beat them? And beat them horribly bad?

Second. If Oklahoma beats OK St, that's great, but they got beat as a 28 point favorite AT HOME, to a horrible TTECH team, who is a .500 ball club. So again, Oklahoma is going to jump both 'Bama (one loss to #1 team in the country) and if LSU loses to either Ark or Georiga (both VERY good teams) Oklahoma would jump them because they got beat by a .500 team at home as 28 point favorites? What?

Oregon? They got beat by LSU. So, if LSU gets beat at some point, Oregon would jump LSU, even though they lost to them? What?

Am I missing something? Are people crazy? How do teams jump other teams, when they played head to head and lost? Seriously. Please explain this to me? If LSU loses to either a very good Ark team or a very good Georgia team, how would either 'Bama OR Oregon jump them, considering they have beat both of them?

If everybody ends up with one loss (which I don't think is going to happen).. You would have LSU, 'Bama, OkState, Oklahoma, Oregon, Stanford... etc ... all with one loss. And with that said.. just look at the 1 loss. It's easy. It's a no brainer. LSU would face 'Bama. And as much as I hate to say it, and as much as I don't want to see it, just by the 1 loss situation, it HAS to be those two teams. Period.

the only way the hogs would be in the NC game is to beat LSU and for Bama to get beat by either auburn or georgia in the sec champ game. If Georgia won the SEC championship they would be in sugar bowl and The hogs could end up in Nc game. That is a lot of what if's and most likely wont happen. The scores of the game are not apart of the rankings cause teams have bad games. Bama beat the snot out of the hogs but they played like shit and gave up 21 points to defensive scores and the other two was a fake FG and a 60yd run. The game should have been closer, but bama was the better team. Also the loss was early in the year allowing the computers and people to forget about the game. If ya remember back a couple years ago when Ark beat LSU in the final game knocking them out of SEC championship game, but they still got to play for the NC game. I played for the hogs in 98 "well practiced never got on field"f so Im a homer I know, but I don't think we are the best in the country and dont deserve the NC. If all the cards fall into the right spot and it happens that way I wont complain.

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Quote Originally Posted by rLp:

How in the hell would Ark get into the NC game? They got crushed by 'Bama. Even if they beat LSU, they would still have one loss. If 'Bama wins out, they would have one loss. 'Bama's one loss would be in overtime to the #1 team in the country. Ark's one loss would be to 'Bama. How does Ark jump a team that beat them? And beat them horribly bad?

Second. If Oklahoma beats OK St, that's great, but they got beat as a 28 point favorite AT HOME, to a horrible TTECH team, who is a .500 ball club. So again, Oklahoma is going to jump both 'Bama (one loss to #1 team in the country) and if LSU loses to either Ark or Georiga (both VERY good teams) Oklahoma would jump them because they got beat by a .500 team at home as 28 point favorites? What?

Oregon? They got beat by LSU. So, if LSU gets beat at some point, Oregon would jump LSU, even though they lost to them? What?

Am I missing something? Are people crazy? How do teams jump other teams, when they played head to head and lost? Seriously. Please explain this to me? If LSU loses to either a very good Ark team or a very good Georgia team, how would either 'Bama OR Oregon jump them, considering they have beat both of them?

If everybody ends up with one loss (which I don't think is going to happen).. You would have LSU, 'Bama, OkState, Oklahoma, Oregon, Stanford... etc ... all with one loss. And with that said.. just look at the 1 loss. It's easy. It's a no brainer. LSU would face 'Bama. And as much as I hate to say it, and as much as I don't want to see it, just by the 1 loss situation, it HAS to be those two teams. Period.

the only way the hogs would be in the NC game is to beat LSU and for Bama to get beat by either auburn or georgia in the sec champ game. If Georgia won the SEC championship they would be in sugar bowl and The hogs could end up in Nc game. That is a lot of what if's and most likely wont happen. The scores of the game are not apart of the rankings cause teams have bad games. Bama beat the snot out of the hogs but they played like shit and gave up 21 points to defensive scores and the other two was a fake FG and a 60yd run. The game should have been closer, but bama was the better team. Also the loss was early in the year allowing the computers and people to forget about the game. If ya remember back a couple years ago when Ark beat LSU in the final game knocking them out of SEC championship game, but they still got to play for the NC game. I played for the hogs in 98 "well practiced never got on field"f so Im a homer I know, but I don't think we are the best in the country and dont deserve the NC. If all the cards fall into the right spot and it happens that way I wont complain.

thorpe

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Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 5:46 PM ET #55

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

I have no clue where you are coming up with these bowl matchups. If LSU and Oklahoma State play in the national championship game, the PAC 10 champion (probably Oregon) will play the Big 10 champion (maybe Wisconsin) in the Rose Bowl just like they do every year.

Under the LSU/Oklahoma State championship game scenario, and assuming Alabama and Houston win out, Alabama will most likely be playing Houston in the Sugar Bowl. Under no circumstance will Alabama be playing either Oregon or Stanford. That is news I'm sure both Oregon and Stanford are celebrating because both would get skull-drugged by Alabama.

Bama/Stanford is possible if Oregon goes to the rose Bowl and the Fiesta Bowl passes on Stanford as an at-large. Sugar has second at-large pick and might take Stanford ahead of a non-AQ school or the Big East champ.

But I agree modt likely scenario is Houston/Bama which is a lousy game IMO. Bama might run for 500 yards.

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jwheels86

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Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 5:50 PM ET #56

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

Well I know you have heard me say it many times. I've typed it so much I think I have worn the keys out on my keyboard.

I am constantly amazed by Alabama fans who are worried about some school hiring McElwain away from Alabama. I just have to shake my head in disbelief.

First of all, what has McElwain shown that would give a college administartor the bright idea to hire him? How could anyone think that's a good idea?

Secondly, if some school were foolish enough to turn the reins of their football program over to McElwain, that will be the day I pop the cork on a bottle of Dom Perignon that I've been saving for a special occasion. My only concern would be whether Saban will exercise better judgement on his next hire.

Alabama has recruited more highly-touted, blue-chip 4* wider receiver prospects the last 4 years than any other school in the country (something like 12 or 3 per year). Where are all these supposed superstars? Nowhere. They never even see the field. I know they can play because I've seen them perform at a high level in practice.

They finally put Kevin Norwood in the game last week. They threw to him twice, and both catches led to points. Where has this guy been all year? Where was he against LSU when we really needed a big physical receiver to provide a size mismatch versus the Honey Badger? I don't think he ever saw the field.

Lastly, after losing to LSU, what Alabama needs more than anything to work their way back into the national championship discussion is style points. They need to beat every team as convincing as possible. Yet against Mississippi State, the offense was executing like they were fresh out of fall camp, not like a team that has been playing together for 9 weeks.

How Saban can stand on the sideline and watch this shitfest week after week and not take corrective action is beyond my comprehension. Honestly it is. If they put together a potent offensive attack like Arkansas' to go with Saban ridiculous defense, they'd never lose. As I said above, the problem is not a dearth of offensive talent. Any offensive coordinator in the country would bust a nut if they had the level of talent McElwain has to work with.

I've been saying it for 3 years at least now, the guys offense could ONLY work at Alabama with a defense to back it like that, he would fail anywhere else. They literally run 4 plays and 3 of them run through the RB, every 3rd down and medium is a drag route to a TE or a WR. There is no way I would go to play in that offense as a WR, it is basically playing an extended blocker like GT. This is how Saban has always been, if he ever had an explosive OC and play calling scheme, like you said… His teams might never lose, it kills them when they face equal or higher talent. If anything is positive about my Gators, it is that our offenses will be explosive in the future with Weis, as of now we have absolutely no depth on either side of the ball as Meyer left the Cupboard bare with 69 scholarship players and overrated recruiting classes.