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    nropp11
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:13 PM ET #1

    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 7-11, -12.70
    December Leans: 4-16


    Coming into the season, I pegged both Elon and NC Greensboro to both have much better year’s this year as both returned quite a bit and while I have Elon finishing a few spots higher at the end of the year, it’s a direct correlation of how well this team performs at home. I guess in looking in my projections, I pegged Elon a few spots better offensively, and UNCG a few spots better defensively. In looking at what each team has done to this point in the season, it would appear that Elon has had a much better start, and that is true, but their offense has in no way looked anything close to what I projected it could be, and while their defense has been spectacular to this point, I think it’s more-so a case of what types of offenses they have played thus far. If I gave you a list of the following teams, take what you feel is the top two offenses: Umass, South Carolina, Princeton, NC State, Furman, and Navy. From my perspective, I’m taking Umass and NC State, two teams that Elon lost to in convincing fashion, and the only two losses on the year for Elon, which coincidentally occur on the road. Other than that, they won a one point game at Princeton, they beat South Carolina at home in the biggest game in program history, and most recently they beat Furman by 7 at home, and needed a twenty-six footer to beat Navy just two days ago. The Navy win was going to be key in tonight’s analysis, and the Furman game I will point out that I project this UNCG team to be a bit better than Furman by season’s end. So, in looking at Elon, I don’t think the offense has quite yet hit expectations that I was hoping for, which is what I would need to take a stab at them here tonight against what I project to be a better defense than what they bring to the table. In looking at UNC Greensboro’s season, they’ve spent the better part of the year on the road and opened the year at Tennessee, at Georgetown, and at Middle Tennessee State. The first two, they’re clearly over-matched, and while they matchup decent with MTSTU, this MTSTU offense has sort of woken up from a dreadful season just one year ago and they’re scoring on anybody and everybody. Clearly, this UNC Greensboro defense has been far from impressive, but when you play those types of schools that are going to shoot 50+% (I think Georgetown shot better than that with all the beef in the paint), obviously the stats are going to be a bit down. After the neutral court win over Towson (where they were favored by a TD against what I feel is a similar offense to Elon), they took to the road for three more and lost all three before returning home tonight for the real home opener against a D-1 school, and the conference opener. The home loss to NC A&T was bad, and there is no hiding from that, but I’ll take that as having a week off was generally not a good thing for the team heading into SoCon play just a few days later. Once SoCon play started up, they drew Appy State, one of the best offenses in the SoCon on the road in game #1, and in game #2 they travelled to Western Carolina who owns one of the top defenses in the league. They went into the SoCon road opener playing a team that likes to play their style, and went from that to a team that will generally slow it down with a good defense and and hung around in the latter of the two. This UNC Greensboro team has seen good offenses thus far this year, and there is no reason that they should be scared of Elon tonight. One thing I focused on in the offseason with Elon, and within the landscape of NCAAB in general was how do teams that rely on good shooting bounce back after playing or having to play a drastically different style just a few days later. I knew what I was getting myself into, and will share at a later date, but when you go into the Navy, Penn State, Princeton, just the really weird styles of play that are rare to find, your offense generally takes a slight hit for a few reasons...
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    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 7-11, -12.70
    December Leans: 4-16


    Coming into the season, I pegged both Elon and NC Greensboro to both have much better year’s this year as both returned quite a bit and while I have Elon finishing a few spots higher at the end of the year, it’s a direct correlation of how well this team performs at home. I guess in looking in my projections, I pegged Elon a few spots better offensively, and UNCG a few spots better defensively. In looking at what each team has done to this point in the season, it would appear that Elon has had a much better start, and that is true, but their offense has in no way looked anything close to what I projected it could be, and while their defense has been spectacular to this point, I think it’s more-so a case of what types of offenses they have played thus far. If I gave you a list of the following teams, take what you feel is the top two offenses: Umass, South Carolina, Princeton, NC State, Furman, and Navy. From my perspective, I’m taking Umass and NC State, two teams that Elon lost to in convincing fashion, and the only two losses on the year for Elon, which coincidentally occur on the road. Other than that, they won a one point game at Princeton, they beat South Carolina at home in the biggest game in program history, and most recently they beat Furman by 7 at home, and needed a twenty-six footer to beat Navy just two days ago. The Navy win was going to be key in tonight’s analysis, and the Furman game I will point out that I project this UNCG team to be a bit better than Furman by season’s end. So, in looking at Elon, I don’t think the offense has quite yet hit expectations that I was hoping for, which is what I would need to take a stab at them here tonight against what I project to be a better defense than what they bring to the table. In looking at UNC Greensboro’s season, they’ve spent the better part of the year on the road and opened the year at Tennessee, at Georgetown, and at Middle Tennessee State. The first two, they’re clearly over-matched, and while they matchup decent with MTSTU, this MTSTU offense has sort of woken up from a dreadful season just one year ago and they’re scoring on anybody and everybody. Clearly, this UNC Greensboro defense has been far from impressive, but when you play those types of schools that are going to shoot 50+% (I think Georgetown shot better than that with all the beef in the paint), obviously the stats are going to be a bit down. After the neutral court win over Towson (where they were favored by a TD against what I feel is a similar offense to Elon), they took to the road for three more and lost all three before returning home tonight for the real home opener against a D-1 school, and the conference opener. The home loss to NC A&T was bad, and there is no hiding from that, but I’ll take that as having a week off was generally not a good thing for the team heading into SoCon play just a few days later. Once SoCon play started up, they drew Appy State, one of the best offenses in the SoCon on the road in game #1, and in game #2 they travelled to Western Carolina who owns one of the top defenses in the league. They went into the SoCon road opener playing a team that likes to play their style, and went from that to a team that will generally slow it down with a good defense and and hung around in the latter of the two. This UNC Greensboro team has seen good offenses thus far this year, and there is no reason that they should be scared of Elon tonight. One thing I focused on in the offseason with Elon, and within the landscape of NCAAB in general was how do teams that rely on good shooting bounce back after playing or having to play a drastically different style just a few days later. I knew what I was getting myself into, and will share at a later date, but when you go into the Navy, Penn State, Princeton, just the really weird styles of play that are rare to find, your offense generally takes a slight hit for a few reasons...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:14 PM ET #2

    ...One, you spend a majority of your preparation in defending those styles defensively, rather than focusing on what your offense can do to defeat that style. And two, it’s basically some time off for your offense, with much fewer possessions and a greater emphasis on the defensive end. The last few years, Elon has not bounced back at all offensively in the game directly following Navy. They have posted offensive point totals of 52, 48, and 70. The 70 point game came at a horrendous and fast paced Columbia team and a game that saw 70 possessions, so that doesn’t concern me. This Navy team had Elon beat, on their home court, as they held a three-point lead and turned the ball over on three straight possessions down the stretch before Elon banked in a three with no time remaining. Elon got a key contribution from Isenbarger who was 6/11 from the field. The rest of the team was 11/40 from the floor, a testament to how this Navy team really defends and throws good offensive teams out of a rhythm. With that said, I sort of look for the Elon offense to take a slight hit tonight coming off of Navy as it usually does, and when this team isn’t firing on all cylinders, they really pose no threat. In last year’s two meetings, Elon posted 99 and 80 in two fairly up-tempo style games.  Both meetings saw Elon hold huge halftime leads which really changed what each coach wanted to do in the second half. Having already pointed out what kind of effect Navy can have on your future scheduling and not having too much time to recuperate from that style of play, I would be flat out shocked if Elon was able to come in here and build the big halftime lead as they did in both meetings last year. If that’s the case, then Mike Dement gets implement his gameplan for a full 40 minutes, where he uses a style of constantly bringing in fresh bodies to defend, something he has yet to have the chance in doing this year. When he is able to get the veteran’s some rest, both the offense and defense will improve in the long haul. The home loss to Elon last year certainly lit a fire under UNC Greensboro. They were winless at the time, then somehow ventured into getting six conference victories the rest of the way. Whatever happened after that Elon game last year, I want that fire to come out tonight. They have double revenge, and draw a team that comes in having played a snail in Furman and the tough style of Navy. When Dement can execute his game-plan, spread the time around on the court, give the bigger names a break, this team can succeed. This team beat Davidson last year, not once, but twice. And one of those times occurred on this home court. The second occurred in a neutral setting. Clearly, I’m taking a shot at double revenge, with what I feel is the better defense going against an offense that should sputter early and often, which allows UNC Greensboro to play their style of basketball. This Elon offense requires the three-point shot to go in just as much as any team in the country. They don’t crash the glass, they depend on hitting their one and only shot of the possession in beating you. For the past four years, this team has finished in the bottom forty in all of college basketball in offensive rebounding, and when you do that, and your shots aren’t falling, you really have no other option to score. Do I think Elon is the better team? Probably, by year’s end, yes. Do I think Elon is the better team in this spot? Given the above, I do not believe so, and I will take a chance with the pup. This game should be a bit more up and down, something Elon is very inexperienced with at this point in the season, and when the game becomes a bit more up-tempo, this defense should not look anywhere near what it’s looked thus far.

    2* UNC Greensboro +1.5

    I leaned Brown/Iowa over this same # the other day and Brown’s offense failed to show up against McCaffrey’s defensive pressure. They should show a bit more on offense here, and Providence pushes more than Iowa does. Combine that with the fact that Providence really hasn’t shown any ability to defend and Cooley’s offense being tough to defend, this one should point to the over. A little hesitancy with the teams being familiar with each other’s offensive styles, but neither defense has proved anything other than the motto “we want to outscore you.” Last year’s meeting: 129 shots, and the same amount of offensive rebounds as free throw attempts (24).

    Lean: Brown/Providence Over 141

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    ...One, you spend a majority of your preparation in defending those styles defensively, rather than focusing on what your offense can do to defeat that style. And two, it’s basically some time off for your offense, with much fewer possessions and a greater emphasis on the defensive end. The last few years, Elon has not bounced back at all offensively in the game directly following Navy. They have posted offensive point totals of 52, 48, and 70. The 70 point game came at a horrendous and fast paced Columbia team and a game that saw 70 possessions, so that doesn’t concern me. This Navy team had Elon beat, on their home court, as they held a three-point lead and turned the ball over on three straight possessions down the stretch before Elon banked in a three with no time remaining. Elon got a key contribution from Isenbarger who was 6/11 from the field. The rest of the team was 11/40 from the floor, a testament to how this Navy team really defends and throws good offensive teams out of a rhythm. With that said, I sort of look for the Elon offense to take a slight hit tonight coming off of Navy as it usually does, and when this team isn’t firing on all cylinders, they really pose no threat. In last year’s two meetings, Elon posted 99 and 80 in two fairly up-tempo style games.  Both meetings saw Elon hold huge halftime leads which really changed what each coach wanted to do in the second half. Having already pointed out what kind of effect Navy can have on your future scheduling and not having too much time to recuperate from that style of play, I would be flat out shocked if Elon was able to come in here and build the big halftime lead as they did in both meetings last year. If that’s the case, then Mike Dement gets implement his gameplan for a full 40 minutes, where he uses a style of constantly bringing in fresh bodies to defend, something he has yet to have the chance in doing this year. When he is able to get the veteran’s some rest, both the offense and defense will improve in the long haul. The home loss to Elon last year certainly lit a fire under UNC Greensboro. They were winless at the time, then somehow ventured into getting six conference victories the rest of the way. Whatever happened after that Elon game last year, I want that fire to come out tonight. They have double revenge, and draw a team that comes in having played a snail in Furman and the tough style of Navy. When Dement can execute his game-plan, spread the time around on the court, give the bigger names a break, this team can succeed. This team beat Davidson last year, not once, but twice. And one of those times occurred on this home court. The second occurred in a neutral setting. Clearly, I’m taking a shot at double revenge, with what I feel is the better defense going against an offense that should sputter early and often, which allows UNC Greensboro to play their style of basketball. This Elon offense requires the three-point shot to go in just as much as any team in the country. They don’t crash the glass, they depend on hitting their one and only shot of the possession in beating you. For the past four years, this team has finished in the bottom forty in all of college basketball in offensive rebounding, and when you do that, and your shots aren’t falling, you really have no other option to score. Do I think Elon is the better team? Probably, by year’s end, yes. Do I think Elon is the better team in this spot? Given the above, I do not believe so, and I will take a chance with the pup. This game should be a bit more up and down, something Elon is very inexperienced with at this point in the season, and when the game becomes a bit more up-tempo, this defense should not look anywhere near what it’s looked thus far.

    2* UNC Greensboro +1.5

    I leaned Brown/Iowa over this same # the other day and Brown’s offense failed to show up against McCaffrey’s defensive pressure. They should show a bit more on offense here, and Providence pushes more than Iowa does. Combine that with the fact that Providence really hasn’t shown any ability to defend and Cooley’s offense being tough to defend, this one should point to the over. A little hesitancy with the teams being familiar with each other’s offensive styles, but neither defense has proved anything other than the motto “we want to outscore you.” Last year’s meeting: 129 shots, and the same amount of offensive rebounds as free throw attempts (24).

    Lean: Brown/Providence Over 141

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    On the other side, but GL
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    On the other side, but GL
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:25 PM ET #4

    Elon isn't a world beater by any means but Matheny is a solid coach who was an assistant at  Davidson for 16 years. McKillop is a great coach there and its obvious that Matheny picked up a lot there. Buzz Petersen gets a bad rep as a coach. He's not a bad coach, but he's not a good coach either. Elon has the better coach, which makes me comfortable in this game. 
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    Elon isn't a world beater by any means but Matheny is a solid coach who was an assistant at  Davidson for 16 years. McKillop is a great coach there and its obvious that Matheny picked up a lot there. Buzz Petersen gets a bad rep as a coach. He's not a bad coach, but he's not a good coach either. Elon has the better coach, which makes me comfortable in this game. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:27 PM ET #5

    thanks 4 the info neil g/l 2day
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    thanks 4 the info neil g/l 2day
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:28 PM ET #6

    GL Neil
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    GL Neil
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:32 PM ET #7

    Neil. What do u think about providence. Should they win. I think they should win outrite w no problem ?????
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    Neil. What do u think about providence. Should they win. I think they should win outrite w no problem ?????
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:33 PM ET #8

    Thanks for the info. Rolling w u.
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    Thanks for the info. Rolling w u.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:35 PM ET #9

    Get them tonight :)
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    Get them tonight :)
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:46 PM ET #10

    BOL
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:46 PM ET #11

    hey neil... any thoughts on the Johnnies tonight??
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    hey neil... any thoughts on the Johnnies tonight??
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:51 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by Laroja:

    Elon isn't a world beater by any means but Matheny is a solid coach who was an assistant at  Davidson for 16 years. McKillop is a great coach there and its obvious that Matheny picked up a lot there. Buzz Petersen gets a bad rep as a coach. He's not a bad coach, but he's not a good coach either. Elon has the better coach, which makes me comfortable in this game. 

    Hopefully Matheny takes the same approach as McKillop took last year, not covering all three games and losing two of those outright as -10.5 favorites. The guy is 28-42 as a head coach in his three years and really has no identity other than hoping to shoot and make more three-pointers than the other team. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laroja:

    Elon isn't a world beater by any means but Matheny is a solid coach who was an assistant at  Davidson for 16 years. McKillop is a great coach there and its obvious that Matheny picked up a lot there. Buzz Petersen gets a bad rep as a coach. He's not a bad coach, but he's not a good coach either. Elon has the better coach, which makes me comfortable in this game. 

    Hopefully Matheny takes the same approach as McKillop took last year, not covering all three games and losing two of those outright as -10.5 favorites. The guy is 28-42 as a head coach in his three years and really has no identity other than hoping to shoot and make more three-pointers than the other team. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:52 PM ET #13

    Damn Nropp I just put up a thread about this game and you just answered all my questions.... Saw the line movement in this game and wanted to take UNC right away but looking at their record and style of play I was really concerned but your angle makes me feel a lot better. Great writeup as always. Good luck, I will be tailing you on this one....
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    Damn Nropp I just put up a thread about this game and you just answered all my questions.... Saw the line movement in this game and wanted to take UNC right away but looking at their record and style of play I was really concerned but your angle makes me feel a lot better. Great writeup as always. Good luck, I will be tailing you on this one....
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:56 PM ET #14

    THAT, is how you handicap college basketball....

    5-star write-up and analysis. 

    Thanks and good luck

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    THAT, is how you handicap college basketball....

    5-star write-up and analysis. 

    Thanks and good luck

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:56 PM ET #15

    g/l and thanks for your efforts
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    g/l and thanks for your efforts
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:57 PM ET #16

    Nice write up.  I'm going the other way.  UNC-G may be as good as Elon but it doesn't appear that way right now.  I'm willing to lay the 2.5.  Good luck.
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    Nice write up.  I'm going the other way.  UNC-G may be as good as Elon but it doesn't appear that way right now.  I'm willing to lay the 2.5.  Good luck.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:59 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by njnspigly:

    Neil. What do u think about providence. Should they win. I think they should win outrite w no problem ?????

    Brown's last victory against a big-name school on the road came in 2007. Coincidentally, that was at Providence. I don't think Providence loses, no. But their defense has been shockingly bad, which is sort of awkward as that has sort of been Cooley's forte in recent years. Providence hung 91 last year, and the Council kid had 16 assists, which was a school record (granted, a lot of those came on passes to Marshon Brooks). Just an ugly game to try and break down. I think, obviously with the lean, that this game is played at a pretty fast pace, and if that is the case, Providence's defense probably shows no improvement.

    GL
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    Quote Originally Posted by njnspigly:

    Neil. What do u think about providence. Should they win. I think they should win outrite w no problem ?????

    Brown's last victory against a big-name school on the road came in 2007. Coincidentally, that was at Providence. I don't think Providence loses, no. But their defense has been shockingly bad, which is sort of awkward as that has sort of been Cooley's forte in recent years. Providence hung 91 last year, and the Council kid had 16 assists, which was a school record (granted, a lot of those came on passes to Marshon Brooks). Just an ugly game to try and break down. I think, obviously with the lean, that this game is played at a pretty fast pace, and if that is the case, Providence's defense probably shows no improvement.

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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 3:04 PM ET #18

    Neil what are your early thoughts on these Bowl games involving the MAC:

    Temple -5.5
    Wyoming

    Ohio U
    Utah St -2.5

    West Mich -2.5
    Purdue

    Toledo -1.5
    Air Force


    Ark St
    Nor Ill pk


    Any match ups stick out, any mismatches?

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    Neil what are your early thoughts on these Bowl games involving the MAC:

    Temple -5.5
    Wyoming

    Ohio U
    Utah St -2.5

    West Mich -2.5
    Purdue

    Toledo -1.5
    Air Force


    Ark St
    Nor Ill pk


    Any match ups stick out, any mismatches?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 3:08 PM ET #19

    No thoughts on Depaul vs Wisconsin Mulwaukee?  I like DePaul -3 but not sure about it. thanks
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    No thoughts on Depaul vs Wisconsin Mulwaukee?  I like DePaul -3 but not sure about it. thanks
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 3:11 PM ET #20

    Thanks a lot Neil for the insight. Always greatly appreciated. GL.
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    Thanks a lot Neil for the insight. Always greatly appreciated. GL.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 3:15 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by WagnerSeahawk:

    hey neil... any thoughts on the Johnnies tonight??

    Detroit played two conference games and will be playing the 3rd game in five days, and St. John's is still on the road after playing #1 team in the nation. Probably lean Detroit here as St. John's has no one to defend McCallum and the motivation should be there in this one (Court being named after Dickie-V prior to tip). I can't really recall Detroit welcoming a big name school like this to their gymnasium in recent years, so they'll be ready to play. 

    However, Detroit sort of is McCallum or bust. Minnerath tore his MCL and he's done for the season. He was playing minutes since Holman hasn't seen the court yet, and to date he was another scoring option, and actually their best offensive player from an efficiency standpoint (primarily b/c outside of McCallum, the offense is set to run through the post players). Aside from that, they're still without Blake (grades), and I have no idea when Holman is coming back. 

    Simply put, this team is a f*cking mess until the semester when they get a few more bodies in the mix, other than the 8 they're trotting out there presently. Coming into the year, I looked at this team and you probably have three first teamers in McCallum, Simon, & Holman, and they just needed a GLIMPSE or any offensive spark from anybody else, and just when they realized that this Minnerath kid could play, they take it up the poop-chute again.

    Gun to my head, watch the Dickie V ceremony and change the channel.

    GL
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    Quote Originally Posted by WagnerSeahawk:

    hey neil... any thoughts on the Johnnies tonight??

    Detroit played two conference games and will be playing the 3rd game in five days, and St. John's is still on the road after playing #1 team in the nation. Probably lean Detroit here as St. John's has no one to defend McCallum and the motivation should be there in this one (Court being named after Dickie-V prior to tip). I can't really recall Detroit welcoming a big name school like this to their gymnasium in recent years, so they'll be ready to play. 

    However, Detroit sort of is McCallum or bust. Minnerath tore his MCL and he's done for the season. He was playing minutes since Holman hasn't seen the court yet, and to date he was another scoring option, and actually their best offensive player from an efficiency standpoint (primarily b/c outside of McCallum, the offense is set to run through the post players). Aside from that, they're still without Blake (grades), and I have no idea when Holman is coming back. 

    Simply put, this team is a f*cking mess until the semester when they get a few more bodies in the mix, other than the 8 they're trotting out there presently. Coming into the year, I looked at this team and you probably have three first teamers in McCallum, Simon, & Holman, and they just needed a GLIMPSE or any offensive spark from anybody else, and just when they realized that this Minnerath kid could play, they take it up the poop-chute again.

    Gun to my head, watch the Dickie V ceremony and change the channel.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 3:18 PM ET #22

    I never thought anyone could write that much about a SoCon game lol, great writeup. We disagree but I applaud your work and anticipate a tightly contested game.
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    I never thought anyone could write that much about a SoCon game lol, great writeup. We disagree but I applaud your work and anticipate a tightly contested game.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 3:24 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by ultimatetailer1:

    Neil what are your early thoughts on these Bowl games involving the MAC:


    Temple -5.5
    Wyoming

    Ohio U
    Utah St -2.5

    West Mich -2.5
    Purdue

    Toledo -1.5
    Air Force


    Ark St
    Nor Ill pk


    Any match ups stick out, any mismatches?


    Haven't gotten into Bowls or looked at anything yet, but probably going to fade the MAC and will be on Arkansas State for sure. They played similar offense in Champaign and really took Illinois out of what they wanted to do from a running standpoint, and doubt NIU can defend the option looks from Arky State. Although, the little wrinkle thrown in here is that both teams have about 30+ days of preparation. Plan on having a thread, just need to find some time.

    GL
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultimatetailer1:

    Neil what are your early thoughts on these Bowl games involving the MAC:


    Temple -5.5
    Wyoming

    Ohio U
    Utah St -2.5

    West Mich -2.5
    Purdue

    Toledo -1.5
    Air Force


    Ark St
    Nor Ill pk


    Any match ups stick out, any mismatches?


    Haven't gotten into Bowls or looked at anything yet, but probably going to fade the MAC and will be on Arkansas State for sure. They played similar offense in Champaign and really took Illinois out of what they wanted to do from a running standpoint, and doubt NIU can defend the option looks from Arky State. Although, the little wrinkle thrown in here is that both teams have about 30+ days of preparation. Plan on having a thread, just need to find some time.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 3:29 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by sportsanalyst:

    No thoughts on Depaul vs Wisconsin Mulwaukee?  I like DePaul -3 but not sure about it. thanks

    I played last year's under 143 and I think the final landed 61-47. Both had horrendous shooting nights, but played the angle of Wisky MKE not really being able to get into their offense against Purnell's defensive pressure. Both defenses have gotten better, much better, and while Depaul's offense has gotten better too (primarily b/c their defensive pressure being better), Wisky MKE's offense is struggling to find some scorers they lost last year. I wanted to lean under, but something just didn't feel right. Depaul's helter-skelter can force this to go a bit more up and down, which is what scared me.

    GL
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportsanalyst:

    No thoughts on Depaul vs Wisconsin Mulwaukee?  I like DePaul -3 but not sure about it. thanks

    I played last year's under 143 and I think the final landed 61-47. Both had horrendous shooting nights, but played the angle of Wisky MKE not really being able to get into their offense against Purnell's defensive pressure. Both defenses have gotten better, much better, and while Depaul's offense has gotten better too (primarily b/c their defensive pressure being better), Wisky MKE's offense is struggling to find some scorers they lost last year. I wanted to lean under, but something just didn't feel right. Depaul's helter-skelter can force this to go a bit more up and down, which is what scared me.

    GL
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 4:09 PM ET #25

    nropp,

    I know you touched on the possible shooting letdown from Elon following the Navy game. What are your thoughts on the 145 under angle?

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    nropp,

    I know you touched on the possible shooting letdown from Elon following the Navy game. What are your thoughts on the 145 under angle?

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