🏀🔥 TOP GUN cbb forum handicappers!!!

  UGACLP1995  performed well in a short time frame but strangely it seems almost unnoticed by the majority of the forum

Updated

TOP GUNS ranked per win%

64.9%   Fubah2           168-91    +46.64 sru (units)
63.4%   KC_4_LIFE       78-45     +27.97 sru (units)
58.7%   Michigan_D   158-111     +28.65 sru (units)
56.1%   Sportsfixx     213-167     +27.69 sru (units)

Congratulations gentlemen on fine seasons! 

may be helpful if you post the worst pickers that qualify          love a good record keeper either way

@zircon

I believe I likely speak for the others listed in saying THANKS for the shout out!

  No doubt a ton of work for you.

But I am surprised that more did not achieve those baseline criteria. Same thing with the results you showed in MLB last season (per post#1 above)

BoL with your bets in the MLB season

i can answer that question…those that fit the baseline don’t agree with him politically or aren’t cool enough in this club. 

sad state of affairs the agenda of people like zircon and Kelly… honestly no sports intelligence, just instigator's against whoever they feel like.   

ive watched it more than a few times, and honestly as a completely moral man like yourself Fubah, Iam surprised you support this belittling of those who try their hand at posting in a gambling forum for free, with their predictions.  For better or for worse, it should go without restrictions as these guys have ridiculed many for years. 

In fact for the past few years your pal Zircon had an auto signature stating something about another member telling him he was a class act.. 

Mr Kelly clearly has motives against anyone not in line with his political views…and I hope you guys don’t bring that around next year now the election is finished.   Clearly stains the NEUTRAL sports forums.

Zircon, any answer why this list was so selective?  I can think of 22 others that fit the parameters, perhaps you’re not sharp with numbers at all….the facade looks cool for the “select few” and again I can’t tell you enough how great it is you dropped that auto signature that made you look like a jealous old girlfriend of WIZERGUY.   

I’ve told you before you don’t make the rules, laws, and stop the bash on our freedom of speech in forums.

rack em 

@JJWoods

I don't want to get into the middle of your feud. 

But you posted to me and I am curious about this particular comment.  I commented to zircon that I was surprised more forum members did not achieve the criteria he listed. Perhaps I am not very good with numbers/research but upon review I can't see any more than zircon does.  He did request that if he left anyone out to inform him and we would update the list - but nobody has

However, you believe zircon overlooked 22 others who meet his criteria, and if true, then zircon's abilities or motives would come into serious question!  But the only way to know for sure is if you list them. Simple.   I believe even just listing 10 would suffice in my mind to prove your point.

My point here deals only with the specific issue (highlighted in red)

PS.  zircon is not my "pal" as you stated.  Please don't go there.

Major respect, and great call not getting in the middle of this because my only concern is with two other members.   And I mean that, you are as classy as can be.  

i would like to ask you Fubah, why can’t a person start an open thread without being ridiculed by rules and laws? I consider this freedom of speech. The numerous 22+ are in every forum…especially NCAAF.  
Im almost certain Fubah, as an intelligent man, you know exactly the point I’m making of the numerous posters that have been run away from this type of abuse. Let’s use Ryoshi as an example. 100% a personal witch hunt.  I found the guy entertaining, plays Alot of volume and offered his opinions.  Why should jerks with accounting degrees, boredom, and time that should clearly go to helping a charity haggle these members? I’m thankful when it goes to the penalty box junk.  Too old for that business. 

Covers doesn’t mind do why should it be the law according to Zirco, It’s unnecessary and, then taking credit as a savior to these forums. Helping others from being manipulated by those who (allegedly have an agenda) cmon man.  That’s silly we’re all adults in an adult hobby…no Security or bouncers required here. lol. No one is blatantly misleading.  ***  

If you question Zircon’s motive brotha, you tell me why for 3 years he’s been hung up on a great guy named WizerGuy?  Making things personal are a major red flag of disrespect to me…it’s attacking, abusive and very much reminds me of our current leadership in office, a name caller so to speak, and one who needs to poke into others business and threads. Gestapo.   Would absolutely appreciate your thoughts on that subject? Because that’s the absolute point I’m trying to make. 

As for the names you’ve requested, and honestly this is against my point, but I see my exaggeration of 22+ annoyed you and probably others where numbers and parameters are everything and the absolute law.  Maybe my name should be splashed all over the forums in ZIRCON’s Auto Signature. Junior high weeee. 

When looking back at the selectivity of the OP, the major flaw is anyone that weights their bet by unit size is not included   It has to only meet zircon’s pointed laws of this website for credibility.  Silly 

I plan to help volunteer tomorrow at the humane society for 6 hours, so I’m limited on time, and honestly effort (very petty all this)..BUT:

So accounting and this “good ole boys club” can have something to do today….Why didnt these cappers qualify? 
Pho20   
old wise one   
east side bangers   
Rum 151   
Dirtbags   
Damon   
Morrissey   
Lv Truck   
Ia Decimal   
totter   
Stl Tarheels    
Bird    
Redline

Sincerely and my honest opinion,  Jwoods 

CJL, Cal Bear, Spot, big giant killer, … 

Take care guys, and take it easy, life’s to short to not respect the liberties of others on an open forum and institute your own scoreboard then insinuate its the only way to score or your scorn. Very SS hitlerish 

no personal feelings or attacks please, again much too old for that petty business. Respect 

”multi-unit designations with picks are irrelevent to handicapping skill and ignored; all results counted at one unit each” -zircon hitler

NO, VERY RELEVANT CAPPERS SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED!!! Segregation is dangerous… all the best I follow of course use a unit system in confidence:

oldwiseone and Funky Rufus immediately come to mind 

PLEASE don’t harass these two members on their records etc! They both deserve the respect and politeness. 

Are you honestly handicapping how popular or how much attention one gets from the forum? Like voting for homecoming king, you only got an attaboy this year UGACLP1995   

Imagine all the others that missed the “short time frame” and thus only reached Honorable Mention status… You must have known someone special or very important for the shout out Athens brutha. To be the only one of 22+ talented others to be able to buck the qualifications… oh wait I thought it was all black and white and only provable numbers, laws, parameters, and restrictions etc.  no weighted units, no outliers, no taking time off (must be enough of a time frame and thus potentially a forced play to reach Club Top Gun). If you slip on a posted line be ready for the pitchfork!! 

@JJWoods

To answer your query per the list of 16 you submitted (presumed to be those members you felt met the criteria zircon listed in post#1) ....for me this search took quite a bit of doing, but objectively, without taking sides, this is what I found:

Pho-20  ---------------- did not achieve postive units;   and not 55%
oldwiseone ------------- did not consistently update YTD
eastsidebangers ------- did not consistently update YTD
Rum151 --------------- did not consistently update YTD
LB_Dirtbags ----------- did not consistently update YTD
Damon102 ---------never posted an updated YTD
Morrissey ----------chose not to post a YTD
LvTruck ---------------- did not consistently update YTD
IAdecimal5 ------------ did not achieve postive units;   and not 55%
totter ------------------- did not consistently update YTD
Bird ? (Bird4332) -------------- 20 - 19 YTD
Byrdmayne ---------chose not to post a YTD
Redline ----------- small sample size well under 100+ picks
FunkyRufus -------------- no YTD results posted
Ryoshiii -------------- failed to achieve 55%; BANNED
STLTarheels ---------------407 - 425 - 10 YTD

It appears zircon did his homework accurately, without bias. The four listed in TOP GUN are the only ones to meet what I agree is reasonable criteria. Although, going forward, perhaps the number of picks could be lowered some from 100 minimum and still achieve a sample size with significant confidence level...

Quote Originally Posted by JJWoods:

When looking back at the selectivity of the OP, the major flaw is anyone that weights their bet by unit size is not included  

JJ, objectively, it appears you are misreading this. They do not appear to be excluded.

But rather, member's picks will be reduced to count at  the same one unit. 

The cash (units) one claims he bets is not relevant to handicapping skill. Maybe to Money Management skill (or lack thereof) but not at all to the skill of picking winners over losers.  I fully agree with this as do most others I know, especially when comparing skills/records!

Certainly members are free to claim "20 unit BOMB PODs" as often as they wish. It's silly but they have the right.

But I fully agree with the OP on this....Take as an example the listed TOP GUN: KC_4_LIFE   78-45   +27.97 

It's entirely possible some "50-unit-BOMB POD" dude could come along with an ugly Win/Loss in complete reverse, at  45 - 78 but claim he has +47.97 units. Should his dreadful skill at picking winners be judged better than fubah2 and better than KC_4_LIFE on the basis he claims he bet more money??????

Two dudes with identical 50 - 38 records (pt spreads) have the same skill level!  Neither is better than the other at picking winners over losers.

The fact that one dude claims he bets $10 (one unit) on all his bets and the other dude claims he bets $50 (5 units) on all his bets makes absolutely no difference whatsover in skills at picking winners. That's the point.

The 50-unit-BIG BOMB POD dude should still get his records considered but after all his picks are recalculated at one unit each.  Nobody gets left out.

JJ, again it appears to me you are misreading this.

I submit no cappers are ignored....only the multiple unit designations are ignored and recalculated at one unit results each pick.

I further submit that virtually everybody on the forum (the few who actually bet real money) bet various amounts of money (units!) on different bets from time to time, myself included!  That's just fine!  We all do it!

But once again, how much money one says he bets (units) is not at all relevant to his handicapping analysis skills at picking winners over losers.

So to judge one's skill it is count up the wins vs. losses and the results of those wins vs. losses and disregard alleged money bet, so it is all graded at one unit each.  This is of particular importance when comparing records.  Judge on the wins vs losses skills, not how much money they want you to believe they are betting.

JJ, I don't read it negatively at all.

66.6% win percentage is extremely rare and worthy of his specific note imo, (it is higher than all the TOP GUNS!) even though it fails to meet all the listed criteria. So I see an "honorable mention" in a positive light.

@zircon

 Excellent work in honoring those who deserve credit based on their performance!! and also getting rid of all the scumbags at the same time and keeping this forum clutter free.. Why JJ is not respecting your decision in all fairness and move on?.. is he part of same group? (ryoshii, leventis etc etc?).. Time to ban him? Lol..

@JJWoods

Yes, I see.  It is a complex problem, because both sides have equal freedom of speech....But I agree I don't favor seeing anyone being ridiculed, on any forum, or anywhere in life.  Criticism in very small doses perhaps, if valid, but it shouldn't be carried too far and never with direct personal attacks.

JASON3958 you know nothing about me bud…and I’ve never heard of you knucklehead. Beat it with the personal attacks and threats.    
But before that, I think you do a great job of proving my point!! Thank you. 

Indeed, why weren’t the numerous and I mean very numerous, names of the “scumbags” as you note, that met all these requirements and have losing records not included  ? 

My thoughts and I’m certain for fact, that I’m not alone here is that Zircon the OP had a very disturbing and completely out of line obsession with one particular poster WIZERGUY.  A very respected in my opinion and talented handicapper that puts in a helluva lot of work which he offers to a public forum free of charge and obligations. Honest Dilligence. The maturity of him to walk away from all the Kelly and Zircon attacks should be admired.  A true gentleman… 

The disrespect didn’t end there….for over 2 years this Zircon has had a childish and harassing auto signature instigating with immaturity and confrontation with and I quote “you’re a great guy Zircon anyone can see that.” For Years  

This quote magically disappeared when I called this monster Bully Zircon out…SO I feel I won that one as a person who believes in standing in the way of bullies on a witch hunt to hurt another due to their own insecurities.  I knocked a few big ones out in HS. Im certain we will never see that blatant disrespect on these forums ever again. 

Even better, somehow the OP grew up quickly and quit listing the only 2 people he felt like harassing!! The other being ryoshi.

So to close, I’m disappointed that my initial post and points of the Top Gun club being a selective gestapo and with only bad and personal intentions, brutally and unnecessarily cruel to the only 2 losers he decided to go after didn’t come across correctly and I was sent to the box for roughing 2 minutes. But I couldn’t wait all week to correct my point with intelligence, respectfully, and defend the little guy who’s been belittled for years by a few bullies as I always have….and might end up in detention hall da penalty box again. 

I honestly and humbly am curious Fubah your thoughts regarding mine…as I wanted to ensure I was clearer this time and I 100% welcome all criticism and responses.  We’re all humans and all deserve to be heard and not ridiculed out. 

Take care guys, sorry to drag on…

jwoods 

100% and thank you   

copy that  exactly my point…. Good man PG333.  Why were only 2-3 listed when 50 qualified?

Censorship is dangerous and third reich…. 

OK, JJ....

From  my research as per your request, the first contact between zircon and Wizerguy was a cordial contact on December 05, 2023.  That was 1 year +4 months ago, not multiple years...

Ryoshiii has not been harrassed for years by anyone. He was registered for just over 15 months but primarily active just the past 6 months.

  From the same research, I can see the "harassment" appeared to go both ways. Wizerguy didn't "walk away" from anything.  The alleged immaturity was there, but it went both ways.  Wizerguy even chased Kelly into the politics forum last year just to harass Kelly and when he got there he lied    Wizerguy also attacked in zircon's "picks" thread.  And *WORSE* he made the laughable UNsubstantiated accusation - stated as a fact - that his losing records several years past were,   ummm,  err,  uhh,  due to those guys hacking his account and posting hundreds of losing picks (no evidence)  

The aforementioned names on both sides are certainly no "choir boys" that's for certain.

No.   50 did not qualify, as I pointed out in post 35 above.

Only 4 met the criteria for TOP GUN. 

Fair enough and major respect to you  I appreciate your reply.  

Take care Fubah..

ive only been seeking the reasoning for the BOTTOM GUNS Fubah and not sure how else to make it clear.  My issue is why zircon selects 2 posters to hassle like hell and with a bent vengeance that I believe to be bullying and harassing?  

This should help clarify do you honestly, my good man , think that only two posters met these qualifications and had losing records??  That’s really all I’m referring to.  

So this is also very interesting, you both have amazing talents for research and flying through these forums for accurate results which I commend! Trust me on this Fubah my friend, transparency is very very important to me and many other Cappers that pay attention here. Why didn’t anyone deep dive and research for the “Bottom Guns”? 

A lot gets lost in verbiage on forums, and I understand you’re one helluva debater Fubah and enjoy this kinda thing…not me.  Peace love and happiness and no bullies has lead me to a great life. I’m blessed and grateful.

Simple question, how many contributing members meet the parameters and had a losing record? 

Please advise Zircon, this entire project and personal crusade is your doing.  One simple question above. 

Take care and respect to the good folks out there… keep living the golden rule… 

Jwoods 

Good lord why was this posted numerous times with different results of thumbs up… And I’m sorry Mr Kelly the fact you trust and support this president as being honest  I respectfully disagree… Not interested in politics necessarily but your auto signature seems aggressive in support…in fact I would be happy to dig up 10 non truths for you from DT.  The guy is the farthest thing from a truth teller. Possibly look in the mirror if you also find yourself the feller of truth and reconsider your support and statement. 

Just an honest opinion and not an attack, I just think you should take a look at DT’s history. Good luck 

i agree major respect for UGACLP I’ve followed him over a decade…  if I were to choose one and only one lucky forum member outside the parameters…he would be top 5-10.  Major respect Athens 

“Fubah “The cash (units) one claims he bets is not relevant to handicapping skill. Maybe to Money Management skill (or lack thereof) but not at all to the skill of picking winners over losers.  I fully agree with this as do most others I know, especially when comparing skills/records! Certainly members are free to claim "20 unit BOMB PODs" as often as they wish. It's silly but they have the right.   But I fully agree with the OP on this....Take as an example the listed TOP GUN: KC_4_LIFE   78-45   +27.97  It's entirely possible some "50-unit-BOMB POD" dude could come along with an ugly Win/Loss in complete reverse, at  45 - 78 but claim he has +47.97 units. Should his dreadful skill at picking winners be judged better than fubah2 and better than KC_4_LIFE on the basis he claims he bet more money?????? Two dudes with identical 50 - 38 records (pt spreads) have the same skill level!  Neither is better than the other at picking winners over losers. The fact that one dude claims he bets $10 (one unit) on all his bets and the other dude claims he bets $50 (5 units) on all his bets makes absolutely no difference whatsover in skills at picking winners. That's the point. The 50-unit-BIG BOMB POD dude should still get his records considered but after all his picks are recalculated at one unit each.  Nobody gets left out.[/Quote]

i understand your point completely… any thoughts that maybe your record is incredibly weighted toward LIVE BETS? And not necessarily Ideal nor helpful for most of the forum?  100% not me!!! I understand your niche and have learned from it.  I have a nice bank roll over 14 years and I wager frugal and can afford the loss of Juiced ML knowing this is a hobby of 35 years and a marathon.  The cycles come and go.  But for say, most of the forum, I kind of feel your approach is unique….and not recommended for most Amateur players. The Live Lines and the algorithms are intended to vastly favor the Book…. The juice is often absurdly bad value. 

KC4LIFE I’m thankful he placed enough wagers to make this system.  Again just my opinion but a minimum of 100 plays well, to me, seems absurdly high in a 4 month period and will enduce the forcing of plays. A very often bad trait of the Forums.  Volume shouldn’t be an elimination factor. But that’s just my thoughts… A lot of outlier factors to be considered with your winning approach and thus record on this list of Top Guns. 

i see Badlands is in the crossfire… Instead of choosing one victim, maybe be prudent, due some Dilligence, hang up the hat of hunting per your personal vendetta and honestly look at at least more than 5-10 that could be fudging records. 

Then magically, just like your dropping of the auto signature, and also dropping per your intelligent and mature move the BOTTOM GUNS hunt on 2 members when I would say many dishonest members were ignore by you. Then you will grow some respect and maybe some appreciation.  Good luck. 

ALSO, please consider volunteering to everyone here that chooses too! Feeding the hungry Kelly for one hour  Might change your perspective on Trump and what he’s done to the United States democracy. He’s far from an honest man buddy. 

We should all be involved for the good deeds and humanity were deeply missing….