Remember the big debate two years ago about Dullahan running on dirt in the Derby? Same thing with We Miss Artie. Dullahan ended up finishing 3rd in the 2012 Derby losing by only 1.75 lengths.
One thing I remember being said after the 2012 Derby is that the Churchill dirt surface is "favorable to turf horses".
I'm leaning against We Miss Artie winning the Derby although very possible he runs well just like Dullahan did.
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Remember the big debate two years ago about Dullahan running on dirt in the Derby? Same thing with We Miss Artie. Dullahan ended up finishing 3rd in the 2012 Derby losing by only 1.75 lengths.
One thing I remember being said after the 2012 Derby is that the Churchill dirt surface is "favorable to turf horses".
I'm leaning against We Miss Artie winning the Derby although very possible he runs well just like Dullahan did.
"Despite his lack of success on dirt, Pletcher said regarding a potential start in the Derby, "I don't think that will be much of a discussion, [given that the owner is] Mr. Ramsey. We were hoping he could get us there and he did."
"You know, the track at Churchill is different than Florida," Ramsey added. "Some horses like it, some don't. If he handles it, he handles it; if he can't, he can't. We won't worry about it. The whole game plan was to get enough points to get him in.""
"Despite his lack of success on dirt, Pletcher said regarding a potential start in the Derby, "I don't think that will be much of a discussion, [given that the owner is] Mr. Ramsey. We were hoping he could get us there and he did."
"You know, the track at Churchill is different than Florida," Ramsey added. "Some horses like it, some don't. If he handles it, he handles it; if he can't, he can't. We won't worry about it. The whole game plan was to get enough points to get him in.""
I heard a discussion on TvG after the race on Saturday.....that Pletcher is considering three options: the KY. Derby, the American Turf on Derby day, or another turf route to the Breeders Cup.
I think there is no doubt the horse's future is on the turf. Unless the owner insists on going to the Derby, I think Todd goes the turf route.
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I heard a discussion on TvG after the race on Saturday.....that Pletcher is considering three options: the KY. Derby, the American Turf on Derby day, or another turf route to the Breeders Cup.
I think there is no doubt the horse's future is on the turf. Unless the owner insists on going to the Derby, I think Todd goes the turf route.
That's Ramsey's massive ego talking. Even he is smart enough to figure out that the horse doesn't like the dirt.
After reading this article below, I don't think there is any doubt that We Miss Artie is going to be running in the KY Derby. And Ramsey has a point. Dullahan only lost by 1.75 lengths and didn't have the cleanest of trips that day. Like I said above, I'm leaning against him winning it but stranger things have happened that's for sure.
That's Ramsey's massive ego talking. Even he is smart enough to figure out that the horse doesn't like the dirt.
After reading this article below, I don't think there is any doubt that We Miss Artie is going to be running in the KY Derby. And Ramsey has a point. Dullahan only lost by 1.75 lengths and didn't have the cleanest of trips that day. Like I said above, I'm leaning against him winning it but stranger things have happened that's for sure.
Getting to the first leg of the Triple Crown was the sole reason We Miss Artie was in the Grade III Spiral. With 50 qualifying points to the winner on the line, the Grade I-winning son of Artie Schiller now tops the Kentucky Derby standings with 60 points, which led to an impromptu rendition of My Old Kentucky Homefrom the ever-enthusiastic Ramsey when he was reached by phone afterward.
"This one is in," said Ramsey, who along with his wife, Sarah, swept the 2013 Eclipse Awards for Outstanding Owner and Outstanding Breeder. "I was jumping up and down, I could not see where the wire was. It was too close to call from down here. He looked like (2011 Spiral and Kentucky Derby winner) Animal Kingdom to me, I don't know about you."
Ramsey has been plotting this Derby-bound course for We Miss Artie ever since the Todd Pletcher-trainee won the Grade I Breeders' Futurity over the Polytrack at Keeneland in October.
The colt's dirt form is certainly a question mark as he is 0-for-3 on the main track including an eighth-place finish in the Grade II Fountain of Youth on Feb. 22. However, Ramsey cited the fact that the Churchill Downs dirt seemingly plays more kind toward turf and synthetic horses.
"The track at Churchill Downs is totally different," Ramsey said. "It's a little bit of a sandy loam and some horses like it and some don't. We're taking a shot, we're in, and if he can handle it he can, if he can't he can't. But the whole game plan was to get enough points to get in.
Getting to the first leg of the Triple Crown was the sole reason We Miss Artie was in the Grade III Spiral. With 50 qualifying points to the winner on the line, the Grade I-winning son of Artie Schiller now tops the Kentucky Derby standings with 60 points, which led to an impromptu rendition of My Old Kentucky Homefrom the ever-enthusiastic Ramsey when he was reached by phone afterward.
"This one is in," said Ramsey, who along with his wife, Sarah, swept the 2013 Eclipse Awards for Outstanding Owner and Outstanding Breeder. "I was jumping up and down, I could not see where the wire was. It was too close to call from down here. He looked like (2011 Spiral and Kentucky Derby winner) Animal Kingdom to me, I don't know about you."
Ramsey has been plotting this Derby-bound course for We Miss Artie ever since the Todd Pletcher-trainee won the Grade I Breeders' Futurity over the Polytrack at Keeneland in October.
The colt's dirt form is certainly a question mark as he is 0-for-3 on the main track including an eighth-place finish in the Grade II Fountain of Youth on Feb. 22. However, Ramsey cited the fact that the Churchill Downs dirt seemingly plays more kind toward turf and synthetic horses.
"The track at Churchill Downs is totally different," Ramsey said. "It's a little bit of a sandy loam and some horses like it and some don't. We're taking a shot, we're in, and if he can handle it he can, if he can't he can't. But the whole game plan was to get enough points to get in.
We miss arties top beyer is 87 and that was on the turf in a race where he was the beaten favorite. His beyer for the spiral was an 85. Comparing him to Dullahan is a bit ridiculous at least Dullahan beat accomplished horses leading up to the derby, we miss artie hasnt beat 1 decent horse and hes slow. they could run the derby on his preferred surface and he still wouldnt finish top 3, his owner is obviously just happy to be there and will tout any angle he can to make himself feel better about his chances. We miss artie is an easy toss on May 3rd im glad hes running
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We miss arties top beyer is 87 and that was on the turf in a race where he was the beaten favorite. His beyer for the spiral was an 85. Comparing him to Dullahan is a bit ridiculous at least Dullahan beat accomplished horses leading up to the derby, we miss artie hasnt beat 1 decent horse and hes slow. they could run the derby on his preferred surface and he still wouldnt finish top 3, his owner is obviously just happy to be there and will tout any angle he can to make himself feel better about his chances. We miss artie is an easy toss on May 3rd im glad hes running
We miss arties top beyer is 87 and that was on the turf in a race where he was the beaten favorite. His beyer for the spiral was an 85. Comparing him to Dullahan is a bit ridiculous at least Dullahan beat accomplished horses leading up to the derby, we miss artie hasnt beat 1 decent horse and hes slow. they could run the derby on his preferred surface and he still wouldnt finish top 3, his owner is obviously just happy to be there and will tout any angle he can to make himself feel better about his chances. We miss artie is an easy toss on May 3rd im glad hes running
Well, first off I don't believe in Beyer speed figures at all so you can rattle off all the Beyer speed figures you want and I don't care.
Second, you do realize that 3 yr olds can improve on a previous figure at any time right?
Third I said twice in posts up above that I don't think We MIss Artie is going to win the Derby. ("lean against") I was referring to Dullahan because a decision has to be made about We Miss Arties ability to run at Churchill on dirt just like it did with Dullahan.
Fourth, I remember you saying that Dullahan was going to be "up the track" in the Derby. He was 3rd and lost by 1.75 lengths. You were wrong and it's possible you are wrong again.
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We miss arties top beyer is 87 and that was on the turf in a race where he was the beaten favorite. His beyer for the spiral was an 85. Comparing him to Dullahan is a bit ridiculous at least Dullahan beat accomplished horses leading up to the derby, we miss artie hasnt beat 1 decent horse and hes slow. they could run the derby on his preferred surface and he still wouldnt finish top 3, his owner is obviously just happy to be there and will tout any angle he can to make himself feel better about his chances. We miss artie is an easy toss on May 3rd im glad hes running
Well, first off I don't believe in Beyer speed figures at all so you can rattle off all the Beyer speed figures you want and I don't care.
Second, you do realize that 3 yr olds can improve on a previous figure at any time right?
Third I said twice in posts up above that I don't think We MIss Artie is going to win the Derby. ("lean against") I was referring to Dullahan because a decision has to be made about We Miss Arties ability to run at Churchill on dirt just like it did with Dullahan.
Fourth, I remember you saying that Dullahan was going to be "up the track" in the Derby. He was 3rd and lost by 1.75 lengths. You were wrong and it's possible you are wrong again.
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He was 3rd and lost by 1.75 lengths. You were wrong and it's possible you are wrong again. 
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