One way to look at whether or not the Irish have a chance, is to look at the statistics in regards to how well a team does against what their opponents normally give up. It is kind of useless to look at a team's total scoring average without factoring in the strength of opposing defenses. In ND's case, we have faced three top 10 defenses (by yards) so far this year (BYU, Michigan, MSU, with Stanford joining them as a top 24 scoring defense nationally).
I think to be accurate you can't just look at points plus or minus versus points given up. My preference is to use percentages to capture the impact of those strengths.
Under that basis, ND's defense is holding opposing offenses to 33.5% of their normal total points scored. So if you instead look at it that way, Oklahoma should score about 15 points against the Irish. The other way to analyze it is based on the strength of OU offense. How many more yards does OU offense score than what opposing defenses give up. Now if you look at OU offense in comparison to the strength of the opposing defense, you see that Oklahoma tends to score about 72% more points than the opposing defense normally gives up. So based on that metric, they should score about 16 points against ND, based on 9.43 points per game that the Irish currently give up. Interestingly, these numbers are actually quite close to each other.
Now using the same formulas in regards to ND, Oklahoma is holding opponents to 50% of their scoring average, which would mean they should hold ND to 13 points. However, on average ND's offense scores 24% more points than opposing teams on average normally give up. So based on that fact, ND should score around 19 points in this game offensively.
So if you average the two approaches out for each, you would get 15+16=31 divided by 2 or Oklahoma scoring 15.5 points. While ND is 13+19=32 divided by 2 or ND scoring 16 points.
I think that both observations are somewhat backed up by empirical data. My opinion is that points mean a lot less against the really bad teams in college football, while against the really good ones, especially defenses, you get less variance and chances to "run up the score". It also means less points and turnovers from getting outmatched teams out of their comfort zones and playing one dimensional football to try and catch up. Hence it makes sense to weed out the weak sisters from reviewing opponents. In this veign, we should be able to look at just the very top defenses each team has played to get a feeling how each team will do against a good all around team, top 15 defenses in total defense or top 15 in scoring defense (Oklahoma hasn't faced a defense that is in the top 20 of total defense, but KSU is #23 and #14 in scoring defense, so we will have to make due).
We have three examples of ND playing top 10 total defenses, and ND scored 20, 13, and 17 points against those defenses that give up 15, 16, and 14 points per game. Just based on those top defenses, we scored +5, -3, and +3 points in those games (or roughly +3). Oklahoma is giving up 15.33 points per game, so it is reasonable to think we will score 18 points against Oklahoma's defense. In contrast, Oklahoma has played one top 15 scoring defense in KSU (they are actually ranked 23rd in total defense for yards given up). They scored 19 points against KSU, or +3. Granted, the sample size is really small, but that would seem to indicate that they would only score about 12.5 points against us. Note, in this case I am using actual points because the difference in the base is so small, that percentages don't make sense.
Statistically from a number of different approaches, it seems to be almost a dead draw/coin flip with ND having an ever so slight numerical advantage.
In other words, ND has a much better chance than the national prognosticators are giving them, or even Vegas at this point.
One way to look at whether or not the Irish have a chance, is to look at the statistics in regards to how well a team does against what their opponents normally give up. It is kind of useless to look at a team's total scoring average without factoring in the strength of opposing defenses. In ND's case, we have faced three top 10 defenses (by yards) so far this year (BYU, Michigan, MSU, with Stanford joining them as a top 24 scoring defense nationally).
I think to be accurate you can't just look at points plus or minus versus points given up. My preference is to use percentages to capture the impact of those strengths.
Under that basis, ND's defense is holding opposing offenses to 33.5% of their normal total points scored. So if you instead look at it that way, Oklahoma should score about 15 points against the Irish. The other way to analyze it is based on the strength of OU offense. How many more yards does OU offense score than what opposing defenses give up. Now if you look at OU offense in comparison to the strength of the opposing defense, you see that Oklahoma tends to score about 72% more points than the opposing defense normally gives up. So based on that metric, they should score about 16 points against ND, based on 9.43 points per game that the Irish currently give up. Interestingly, these numbers are actually quite close to each other.
Now using the same formulas in regards to ND, Oklahoma is holding opponents to 50% of their scoring average, which would mean they should hold ND to 13 points. However, on average ND's offense scores 24% more points than opposing teams on average normally give up. So based on that fact, ND should score around 19 points in this game offensively.
So if you average the two approaches out for each, you would get 15+16=31 divided by 2 or Oklahoma scoring 15.5 points. While ND is 13+19=32 divided by 2 or ND scoring 16 points.
I think that both observations are somewhat backed up by empirical data. My opinion is that points mean a lot less against the really bad teams in college football, while against the really good ones, especially defenses, you get less variance and chances to "run up the score". It also means less points and turnovers from getting outmatched teams out of their comfort zones and playing one dimensional football to try and catch up. Hence it makes sense to weed out the weak sisters from reviewing opponents. In this veign, we should be able to look at just the very top defenses each team has played to get a feeling how each team will do against a good all around team, top 15 defenses in total defense or top 15 in scoring defense (Oklahoma hasn't faced a defense that is in the top 20 of total defense, but KSU is #23 and #14 in scoring defense, so we will have to make due).
We have three examples of ND playing top 10 total defenses, and ND scored 20, 13, and 17 points against those defenses that give up 15, 16, and 14 points per game. Just based on those top defenses, we scored +5, -3, and +3 points in those games (or roughly +3). Oklahoma is giving up 15.33 points per game, so it is reasonable to think we will score 18 points against Oklahoma's defense. In contrast, Oklahoma has played one top 15 scoring defense in KSU (they are actually ranked 23rd in total defense for yards given up). They scored 19 points against KSU, or +3. Granted, the sample size is really small, but that would seem to indicate that they would only score about 12.5 points against us. Note, in this case I am using actual points because the difference in the base is so small, that percentages don't make sense.
Statistically from a number of different approaches, it seems to be almost a dead draw/coin flip with ND having an ever so slight numerical advantage.
In other words, ND has a much better chance than the national prognosticators are giving them, or even Vegas at this point.
Bleed, I kow it was a deep read but the numbers are the numbers.
GL with the play but I may be one of the few on this Irish on Saturday.
I'll probably join ya on the Irish, but I'll be holding out 'cuz this line will go up, with the entire free world on OU. Looks like it's me, you, and Lou Holtz vs the World!!!
Bleed, I kow it was a deep read but the numbers are the numbers.
GL with the play but I may be one of the few on this Irish on Saturday.
I'll probably join ya on the Irish, but I'll be holding out 'cuz this line will go up, with the entire free world on OU. Looks like it's me, you, and Lou Holtz vs the World!!!
I'm waiting for 5 min before kickoff and parlaying ND to cover against the under. Nothing big, probably 50 or 100 bucks.
I hate ND. So if they get blown out, great. If they cover in a low-scoring game, I'll still hate them but can appreciate the fact that they've won me money.
I'm waiting for 5 min before kickoff and parlaying ND to cover against the under. Nothing big, probably 50 or 100 bucks.
I hate ND. So if they get blown out, great. If they cover in a low-scoring game, I'll still hate them but can appreciate the fact that they've won me money.
Bleed, I kow it was a deep read but the numbers are the numbers.
GL with the play but I may be one of the few on this Irish on Saturday.
the numbers are the numbers ...... mmmmm.....well , also many many things ... i am a very very huge choklahoma critic , and right now the irish is heading on the opposite direction of the sooners... what i mean okalhoma is o the rise and nd is deflating , ND deffense has been good... but oklahoma since that loss to ksst had been playing with s chip, and being a big 12 powerhouse ..at home ... vs #5 team in the nation .... cant imagine , how motivated they can be to crush the irish and boost their hopes for a major bowl
Bleed, I kow it was a deep read but the numbers are the numbers.
GL with the play but I may be one of the few on this Irish on Saturday.
the numbers are the numbers ...... mmmmm.....well , also many many things ... i am a very very huge choklahoma critic , and right now the irish is heading on the opposite direction of the sooners... what i mean okalhoma is o the rise and nd is deflating , ND deffense has been good... but oklahoma since that loss to ksst had been playing with s chip, and being a big 12 powerhouse ..at home ... vs #5 team in the nation .... cant imagine , how motivated they can be to crush the irish and boost their hopes for a major bowl
ND has beaten inept offenses in comparison to the OU offense they will see. Michigan has a QB who can't throw. Purdue is sorry. MSU isn't healthy and has poor QB play. BYU and Stanford don't beat ya with their offense. Navy is not very good.
ND has beaten inept offenses in comparison to the OU offense they will see. Michigan has a QB who can't throw. Purdue is sorry. MSU isn't healthy and has poor QB play. BYU and Stanford don't beat ya with their offense. Navy is not very good.
If only handicapping were that simple, we could just have our computers crunch the numbers for us, go to the book, lay our money down, come back after game to pick up our cash.
The problem with trying to analyse a matchup using numbers that way is the lack of an accurate base line as to the quality of the opponents ON THE DAY THE GAMES WERE PLAYED. Teams can improve or decline as season goes along. Players can suddenly gel into a well organized TEAM. Also the matchups of personnel are not constant between opponents.
OU has had two offensive teams this season. The first team never really got it rolling. The second team is an offensive jugernaut. ND hasn't seen this much speed all year. The Sooners D is more than enough to handle a very impotent ND offense.
ND's defensive stats will not look so good Saturday night.
If only handicapping were that simple, we could just have our computers crunch the numbers for us, go to the book, lay our money down, come back after game to pick up our cash.
The problem with trying to analyse a matchup using numbers that way is the lack of an accurate base line as to the quality of the opponents ON THE DAY THE GAMES WERE PLAYED. Teams can improve or decline as season goes along. Players can suddenly gel into a well organized TEAM. Also the matchups of personnel are not constant between opponents.
OU has had two offensive teams this season. The first team never really got it rolling. The second team is an offensive jugernaut. ND hasn't seen this much speed all year. The Sooners D is more than enough to handle a very impotent ND offense.
ND's defensive stats will not look so good Saturday night.
I'll probably join ya on the Irish, but I'll be holding out 'cuz this line will go up, with the entire free world on OU. Looks like it's me, you, and Lou Holtz vs the World!!!
thats funny. As a ND fan, I cringe having to hear Holt's homerism
I'll probably join ya on the Irish, but I'll be holding out 'cuz this line will go up, with the entire free world on OU. Looks like it's me, you, and Lou Holtz vs the World!!!
thats funny. As a ND fan, I cringe having to hear Holt's homerism
ND woulda been better off facing an undefeated OU team!!!
That is a great point!
That's usually when they screw up. Now they think they still have a shot for BCS if they win out. I think the players have figured that out even if the Stoops havn't.
ND woulda been better off facing an undefeated OU team!!!
That is a great point!
That's usually when they screw up. Now they think they still have a shot for BCS if they win out. I think the players have figured that out even if the Stoops havn't.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lou Holtz is addressing the ND team this week and talking up this game and how ND has a chance to pull off the biggest upset of the year. The Sooners were 24pt favorites and from what I understand partied real hard the night before the game figuring it was in the bag:
The 1978 Orange Bowl was a college football bowl game played on January 2, 1978, featuring the Arkansas Razorbacks against the heavily-favored Oklahoma Sooners.
The #6 ranked Razorbacks were coming off a 10–1 season, but were considered to be heavy underdogs against the #2 ranked Sooners. The #1 ranked Texas Longhorns and their star running back Earl Campbell had just lost the 1978 Cotton Bowl to Joe Montana and the Notre Dame Irish, thus giving the Sooners an almost sure bid for the national championship title if they defeated Arkansas. To make matters worse for Arkansas, first year Arkansas head coach Lou Holtz had suspended three players prior to the game for team violations. Two of those players, rushing backs Ben Cowins and Donny Bobo, had together accounted for 78% of the points scored by the Razorbacks that season.[1] On the other hand, the Oklahoma Sooners were led offensively by their future Heisman Trophy winning running back Billy Sims and on defense by their safety Darrol Ray, defensive tackle Dan Hampton and linebacker Daryl Hunt.
Although the suspended Arkansas players protested, Holtz refused to back down and the suspensions stood. Already considered a heavy underdog to Oklahoma, with the loss of those starters Arkansas was expected to give little competition in the game. Arkansas was an 18 point underdog prior to the suspensions. After the suspensions they were given as 24 point underdogs by Las Vegas, Nevada odds.[2] The 1978 Orange Bowl would in all likelihood be the game that decided the National Championship. And it did in many ways, but not in the way that most expected.[3]
Backup running back Roland Sales started for Arkansas in the place of Ben Cowins. With Sales doing most of the running of the ball, Arkansas out-rushed Oklahoma 126 yards to 116 yards in the first half, with Billy Sims fumbling the ball early in the first quarter causing the Razorbacks to recover on the Oklahoma 9 yard line. That resulted in a Sales touchdown followed by a PAT by Arkansas kicker Steve Little. Another Oklahoma fumble by Kenny King resulted in another Arkansas touchdown rushed in by Arkansas quarterback Ron Calcagni in the first quarter. In the second half Sales would rush for another touchdown, Brian White rushed for a touchdown and Steve Little kicked a field goal. During the fourth quarter Oklahoma scored a touchdown but the two point conversion attempt failed.[1]
For Arkansas, in total Roland Sales rushed 22 times for 205 yards setting an Orange Bowl record. He also received 4 times for 52 yards and rushed for 2 touchdowns. Arkansas defeated Oklahoma 31–6. Sales' Orange Bowl rushing record stood for 20 years until broken by Ahman Green in 1998 when Green rushed for 206 yards in the Orange Bowl. Roland Sales and Arkansas teammate Reggie Freeman were named MVPs for the game. Arkansas finished the season ranked #3 in the nation behind #1 ranked Notre Dame and #2 ranked Alabama
I wouldn't be surprised if Lou Holtz is addressing the ND team this week and talking up this game and how ND has a chance to pull off the biggest upset of the year. The Sooners were 24pt favorites and from what I understand partied real hard the night before the game figuring it was in the bag:
The 1978 Orange Bowl was a college football bowl game played on January 2, 1978, featuring the Arkansas Razorbacks against the heavily-favored Oklahoma Sooners.
The #6 ranked Razorbacks were coming off a 10–1 season, but were considered to be heavy underdogs against the #2 ranked Sooners. The #1 ranked Texas Longhorns and their star running back Earl Campbell had just lost the 1978 Cotton Bowl to Joe Montana and the Notre Dame Irish, thus giving the Sooners an almost sure bid for the national championship title if they defeated Arkansas. To make matters worse for Arkansas, first year Arkansas head coach Lou Holtz had suspended three players prior to the game for team violations. Two of those players, rushing backs Ben Cowins and Donny Bobo, had together accounted for 78% of the points scored by the Razorbacks that season.[1] On the other hand, the Oklahoma Sooners were led offensively by their future Heisman Trophy winning running back Billy Sims and on defense by their safety Darrol Ray, defensive tackle Dan Hampton and linebacker Daryl Hunt.
Although the suspended Arkansas players protested, Holtz refused to back down and the suspensions stood. Already considered a heavy underdog to Oklahoma, with the loss of those starters Arkansas was expected to give little competition in the game. Arkansas was an 18 point underdog prior to the suspensions. After the suspensions they were given as 24 point underdogs by Las Vegas, Nevada odds.[2] The 1978 Orange Bowl would in all likelihood be the game that decided the National Championship. And it did in many ways, but not in the way that most expected.[3]
Backup running back Roland Sales started for Arkansas in the place of Ben Cowins. With Sales doing most of the running of the ball, Arkansas out-rushed Oklahoma 126 yards to 116 yards in the first half, with Billy Sims fumbling the ball early in the first quarter causing the Razorbacks to recover on the Oklahoma 9 yard line. That resulted in a Sales touchdown followed by a PAT by Arkansas kicker Steve Little. Another Oklahoma fumble by Kenny King resulted in another Arkansas touchdown rushed in by Arkansas quarterback Ron Calcagni in the first quarter. In the second half Sales would rush for another touchdown, Brian White rushed for a touchdown and Steve Little kicked a field goal. During the fourth quarter Oklahoma scored a touchdown but the two point conversion attempt failed.[1]
For Arkansas, in total Roland Sales rushed 22 times for 205 yards setting an Orange Bowl record. He also received 4 times for 52 yards and rushed for 2 touchdowns. Arkansas defeated Oklahoma 31–6. Sales' Orange Bowl rushing record stood for 20 years until broken by Ahman Green in 1998 when Green rushed for 206 yards in the Orange Bowl. Roland Sales and Arkansas teammate Reggie Freeman were named MVPs for the game. Arkansas finished the season ranked #3 in the nation behind #1 ranked Notre Dame and #2 ranked Alabama
Lou Holtz old ass couldnt motivate anybody..maybe spit on them, and who can understand that old coot...Joe washington, Why do you pretend to be an OU fan...Is it because "your" team Okie St. has always been bad and you want to talk about a relevant team??
Lou Holtz old ass couldnt motivate anybody..maybe spit on them, and who can understand that old coot...Joe washington, Why do you pretend to be an OU fan...Is it because "your" team Okie St. has always been bad and you want to talk about a relevant team??
I wouldn't be surprised if Lou Holtz is addressing the ND team this week and talking up this game and how ND has a chance to pull off the biggest upset of the year. The Sooners were 24pt favorites and from what I understand partied real hard the night before the game figuring it was in the bag:
The 1978 Orange Bowl was a college football bowl game played on January 2, 1978, featuring the Arkansas Razorbacks against the heavily-favored Oklahoma Sooners.
The #6 ranked Razorbacks were coming off a 10–1 season, but were considered to be heavy underdogs against the #2 ranked Sooners. The #1 ranked Texas Longhorns and their star running back Earl Campbell had just lost the 1978 Cotton Bowl to Joe Montana and the Notre Dame Irish, thus giving the Sooners an almost sure bid for the national championship title if they defeated Arkansas. To make matters worse for Arkansas, first year Arkansas head coach Lou Holtz had suspended three players prior to the game for team violations. Two of those players, rushing backs Ben Cowins and Donny Bobo, had together accounted for 78% of the points scored by the Razorbacks that season.[1] On the other hand, the Oklahoma Sooners were led offensively by their future Heisman Trophy winning running back Billy Sims and on defense by their safety Darrol Ray, defensive tackle Dan Hampton and linebacker Daryl Hunt.
Although the suspended Arkansas players protested, Holtz refused to back down and the suspensions stood. Already considered a heavy underdog to Oklahoma, with the loss of those starters Arkansas was expected to give little competition in the game. Arkansas was an 18 point underdog prior to the suspensions. After the suspensions they were given as 24 point underdogs by Las Vegas, Nevada odds.[2] The 1978 Orange Bowl would in all likelihood be the game that decided the National Championship. And it did in many ways, but not in the way that most expected.[3]
Backup running back Roland Sales started for Arkansas in the place of Ben Cowins. With Sales doing most of the running of the ball, Arkansas out-rushed Oklahoma 126 yards to 116 yards in the first half, with Billy Sims fumbling the ball early in the first quarter causing the Razorbacks to recover on the Oklahoma 9 yard line. That resulted in a Sales touchdown followed by a PAT by Arkansas kicker Steve Little. Another Oklahoma fumble by Kenny King resulted in another Arkansas touchdown rushed in by Arkansas quarterback Ron Calcagni in the first quarter. In the second half Sales would rush for another touchdown, Brian White rushed for a touchdown and Steve Little kicked a field goal. During the fourth quarter Oklahoma scored a touchdown but the two point conversion attempt failed.[1]
For Arkansas, in total Roland Sales rushed 22 times for 205 yards setting an Orange Bowl record. He also received 4 times for 52 yards and rushed for 2 touchdowns. Arkansas defeated Oklahoma 31–6. Sales' Orange Bowl rushing record stood for 20 years until broken by Ahman Green in 1998 when Green rushed for 206 yards in the Orange Bowl. Roland Sales and Arkansas teammate Reggie Freeman were named MVPs for the game. Arkansas finished the season ranked #3 in the nation behind #1 ranked Notre Dame and #2 ranked Alabama
OU was not a 24 point favorite...............it was closer to 17. Get your facts straight.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lou Holtz is addressing the ND team this week and talking up this game and how ND has a chance to pull off the biggest upset of the year. The Sooners were 24pt favorites and from what I understand partied real hard the night before the game figuring it was in the bag:
The 1978 Orange Bowl was a college football bowl game played on January 2, 1978, featuring the Arkansas Razorbacks against the heavily-favored Oklahoma Sooners.
The #6 ranked Razorbacks were coming off a 10–1 season, but were considered to be heavy underdogs against the #2 ranked Sooners. The #1 ranked Texas Longhorns and their star running back Earl Campbell had just lost the 1978 Cotton Bowl to Joe Montana and the Notre Dame Irish, thus giving the Sooners an almost sure bid for the national championship title if they defeated Arkansas. To make matters worse for Arkansas, first year Arkansas head coach Lou Holtz had suspended three players prior to the game for team violations. Two of those players, rushing backs Ben Cowins and Donny Bobo, had together accounted for 78% of the points scored by the Razorbacks that season.[1] On the other hand, the Oklahoma Sooners were led offensively by their future Heisman Trophy winning running back Billy Sims and on defense by their safety Darrol Ray, defensive tackle Dan Hampton and linebacker Daryl Hunt.
Although the suspended Arkansas players protested, Holtz refused to back down and the suspensions stood. Already considered a heavy underdog to Oklahoma, with the loss of those starters Arkansas was expected to give little competition in the game. Arkansas was an 18 point underdog prior to the suspensions. After the suspensions they were given as 24 point underdogs by Las Vegas, Nevada odds.[2] The 1978 Orange Bowl would in all likelihood be the game that decided the National Championship. And it did in many ways, but not in the way that most expected.[3]
Backup running back Roland Sales started for Arkansas in the place of Ben Cowins. With Sales doing most of the running of the ball, Arkansas out-rushed Oklahoma 126 yards to 116 yards in the first half, with Billy Sims fumbling the ball early in the first quarter causing the Razorbacks to recover on the Oklahoma 9 yard line. That resulted in a Sales touchdown followed by a PAT by Arkansas kicker Steve Little. Another Oklahoma fumble by Kenny King resulted in another Arkansas touchdown rushed in by Arkansas quarterback Ron Calcagni in the first quarter. In the second half Sales would rush for another touchdown, Brian White rushed for a touchdown and Steve Little kicked a field goal. During the fourth quarter Oklahoma scored a touchdown but the two point conversion attempt failed.[1]
For Arkansas, in total Roland Sales rushed 22 times for 205 yards setting an Orange Bowl record. He also received 4 times for 52 yards and rushed for 2 touchdowns. Arkansas defeated Oklahoma 31–6. Sales' Orange Bowl rushing record stood for 20 years until broken by Ahman Green in 1998 when Green rushed for 206 yards in the Orange Bowl. Roland Sales and Arkansas teammate Reggie Freeman were named MVPs for the game. Arkansas finished the season ranked #3 in the nation behind #1 ranked Notre Dame and #2 ranked Alabama
OU was not a 24 point favorite...............it was closer to 17. Get your facts straight.
If only handicapping were that simple, we could just have our computers crunch the numbers for us, go to the book, lay our money down, come back after game to pick up our cash.
The problem with trying to analyse a matchup using numbers that way is the lack of an accurate base line as to the quality of the opponents ON THE DAY THE GAMES WERE PLAYED. Teams can improve or decline as season goes along. Players can suddenly gel into a well organized TEAM. Also the matchups of personnel are not constant between opponents.
OU has had two offensive teams this season. The first team never really got it rolling. The second team is an offensive jugernaut. ND hasn't seen this much speed all year. The Sooners D is more than enough to handle a very impotent ND offense.
ND's defensive stats will not look so good Saturday night.
I like the sooners to cover by at least a TD.
so true.. besides , some mentioned the teams that ND had faced so far...and those are teams that are mostly one dimensional .... Navy.. use option---on the ground MSU -- QB is pedestrian they only have the running game..shut down bell and MSU is gone MU -- if u can contain shoe lace and challenge him to throw.. the wolverines are toasted BYU -- has a pathetic over all offense and they lack of a kicking game Stanford,Canes are more rounded teams, but are not that great purdue is average
OU is right now clicking on all cylinders on offense, they can throw the rock very effectively and certainly have a good ground and pound rushing attack.....its a mismatch for the irish
If only handicapping were that simple, we could just have our computers crunch the numbers for us, go to the book, lay our money down, come back after game to pick up our cash.
The problem with trying to analyse a matchup using numbers that way is the lack of an accurate base line as to the quality of the opponents ON THE DAY THE GAMES WERE PLAYED. Teams can improve or decline as season goes along. Players can suddenly gel into a well organized TEAM. Also the matchups of personnel are not constant between opponents.
OU has had two offensive teams this season. The first team never really got it rolling. The second team is an offensive jugernaut. ND hasn't seen this much speed all year. The Sooners D is more than enough to handle a very impotent ND offense.
ND's defensive stats will not look so good Saturday night.
I like the sooners to cover by at least a TD.
so true.. besides , some mentioned the teams that ND had faced so far...and those are teams that are mostly one dimensional .... Navy.. use option---on the ground MSU -- QB is pedestrian they only have the running game..shut down bell and MSU is gone MU -- if u can contain shoe lace and challenge him to throw.. the wolverines are toasted BYU -- has a pathetic over all offense and they lack of a kicking game Stanford,Canes are more rounded teams, but are not that great purdue is average
OU is right now clicking on all cylinders on offense, they can throw the rock very effectively and certainly have a good ground and pound rushing attack.....its a mismatch for the irish
nice work RR......... *attempting to make Covers think.....
OU has a definite fundamental edge (match-up wise)....
BUT....mind-blowing to hear so many say .... "No way OU loses this one!!!"......Irish have no shot!!!
How many times has this been said over the years? * I have said it MANY times myself...most notably vs W Virg in 2007 or so....the year off the Boise disaster.......no way man.....no way!
That '78 Orange Bowl...it seems like OU OPENED....as a 17 pt favorite or so ......after the suspensions...the game was taken off the books by many....a few that offered it made it 24 or so.....(prolly at very low limits)
The impediment to action advances action - what stands in the way becomes the way.
nice work RR......... *attempting to make Covers think.....
OU has a definite fundamental edge (match-up wise)....
BUT....mind-blowing to hear so many say .... "No way OU loses this one!!!"......Irish have no shot!!!
How many times has this been said over the years? * I have said it MANY times myself...most notably vs W Virg in 2007 or so....the year off the Boise disaster.......no way man.....no way!
That '78 Orange Bowl...it seems like OU OPENED....as a 17 pt favorite or so ......after the suspensions...the game was taken off the books by many....a few that offered it made it 24 or so.....(prolly at very low limits)
At first I was thinking great chance to fade the Irish on the road against a tough Oklahoma team. Then I checked out the line today and saw the supposed #5 team in the nation as 10.5 point dogs
Now I'm thinking the exact opposite. Oklahoma has yet to play a defence like this. It's easy to look good playing a God awful Longhorns team, but ND has a legit top 5 defence, even if their top 5 team ranking is a bit unjustified (which the oddsmakers certainly seem to think looking at this line)
At first I was thinking great chance to fade the Irish on the road against a tough Oklahoma team. Then I checked out the line today and saw the supposed #5 team in the nation as 10.5 point dogs
Now I'm thinking the exact opposite. Oklahoma has yet to play a defence like this. It's easy to look good playing a God awful Longhorns team, but ND has a legit top 5 defence, even if their top 5 team ranking is a bit unjustified (which the oddsmakers certainly seem to think looking at this line)
Hmm how about the canes that offense isn't exactly one dimensional and was putting up huge numbers before playing ND. Morris set ACC single game passing record this year if I am not mistaken. Was a lot of U love on this forum UM scored 3 pts. Don't be shocked when ND dominates both lines of scrimmage.
Hmm how about the canes that offense isn't exactly one dimensional and was putting up huge numbers before playing ND. Morris set ACC single game passing record this year if I am not mistaken. Was a lot of U love on this forum UM scored 3 pts. Don't be shocked when ND dominates both lines of scrimmage.
Too fast for the Irish. OU also gets back senior defensive tackle Stacy McGee who should make it significantly more difficult for Notre Dame to run between the tackles. When the smoke clears Saturday nite we will all agree that OU had the best defensive unit on the field.
Too fast for the Irish. OU also gets back senior defensive tackle Stacy McGee who should make it significantly more difficult for Notre Dame to run between the tackles. When the smoke clears Saturday nite we will all agree that OU had the best defensive unit on the field.
THAT IS DEFINITLY HOW YOU SHOULD CAP GAMES. THATS HOW I DO IT IN A WAYS. CAUSE IN COLLEGE LIGHTING UP THE SCORE BOARD ON BAD EFENSIVE TEAMS DONT MEAN ANYTHING.
JUST LIKE WEST VIRGINIA, I HAVE MADE A KILLING OFF OF THEM. THEY CAN SCORE BUT THIER DEFENSE GIVES UP AS MUCH AS THEY SCORE
THAT IS DEFINITLY HOW YOU SHOULD CAP GAMES. THATS HOW I DO IT IN A WAYS. CAUSE IN COLLEGE LIGHTING UP THE SCORE BOARD ON BAD EFENSIVE TEAMS DONT MEAN ANYTHING.
JUST LIKE WEST VIRGINIA, I HAVE MADE A KILLING OFF OF THEM. THEY CAN SCORE BUT THIER DEFENSE GIVES UP AS MUCH AS THEY SCORE
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