Before you bet with OU over ND..Read this!

Quote Originally Posted by jtoler:

What nobody has said yet including broadcasters and that is Notre Dame's defense is overrated.

Quote Originally Posted by ruderunner:

Why the Irish have a good shot at a W against OU:



One way to look at whether or not the Irish have a chance, is to look at 
the statistics in regards to how well a team does against what their 
opponents normally give up. It is kind of useless to look at a team's 
total scoring average without factoring in the strength of opposing 
defenses. In ND's case, we have faced three top 10 defenses (by yards) 
so far this year (BYU, Michigan, MSU, with Stanford joining them as a 
top 24 scoring defense nationally).



I think to be accurate you can't just look at points plus or minus 
versus points given up. My preference is to use percentages to capture 
the impact of those strengths. 



Under that basis, ND's defense is holding opposing offenses to 33.5% 
of their normal total points scored. So if you instead look at it that 
way, Oklahoma should score about 15 points against the Irish. The other way to
analyze it is based on the strength of OU offense. How many more 
yards does OU offense score than what opposing defenses give up. Now
if you look at OU offense in comparison to the strength of the 
opposing defense, you see that Oklahoma tends to score about 72% more 
points than the opposing defense normally gives up. So based on that 
metric, they should score about 16 points against ND, based on 9.43 
points per game that the Irish currently give up. Interestingly, these numbers
are actually quite close to each other.



Now using the same formulas in regards to ND, Oklahoma is holding 
opponents to 50% of their scoring average, which would mean they should 
hold ND to 13 points. However, on average ND's offense scores 24% more 
points than opposing teams on average normally give up. So based on 
that fact, ND should score around 19 points in this game offensively. 



So if you average the two approaches out for each, you would get 
15+16=31 divided by 2 or Oklahoma scoring 15.5 points. While ND is 
13+19=32 divided by 2 or ND scoring 16 points. 



I think that both observations are somewhat backed up by empirical 
data. My opinion is that points mean a lot less against the really bad 
teams in college football, while against the really good ones, 
especially defenses, you get less variance and chances to "run up the 
score". It also means less points and turnovers from getting outmatched
teams out of their comfort zones and playing one dimensional football 
to try and catch up. Hence it makes sense to weed out the weak sisters 
from reviewing opponents. In this veign, we should be able to look at 
just the very top defenses each team has played to get a feeling how 
each team will do against a good all around team, top 15 defenses in 
total defense or top 15 in scoring defense (Oklahoma hasn't faced a 
defense that is in the top 20 of total defense, but KSU is #23 and #14 
in scoring defense, so we will have to make due). 



We have three examples of ND playing top 10 total defenses, and ND
scored 20, 13, and 17 points against those defenses that give up 15, 16,
and 14 points per game. Just based on those top defenses, we scored 
+5, -3, and +3 points in those games (or roughly +3). Oklahoma is 
giving up 15.33 points per game, so it is reasonable to think we will 
score 18 points against Oklahoma's defense. In contrast, Oklahoma has 
played one top 15 scoring defense in KSU (they are actually ranked 23rd 
in total defense for yards given up). They scored 19 points against 
KSU, or +3. Granted, the sample size is really small, but that would 
seem to indicate that they would only score about 12.5 points against 
us. Note, in this case I am using actual points because the difference 
in the base is so small, that percentages don't make sense.



Statistically from a number of different approaches, it seems to be 
almost a dead draw/coin flip with ND having an ever so slight numerical 
advantage.



In other words, ND has a much better chance than the national 
prognosticators are giving them, or even Vegas at this point.

 

ND plus 10.5 or more if the line goes up!!!!

 

GL

Quote Originally Posted by jtoler:

Sir the problem you have is that ND has only faced mediocre to decent offenses. Theyve faced teams with one good receiver, what happens when they face 3 or 4 good receivers as Oklahoma has. ND the past two weeks have begged to get beaten, been living on a prayer and robbed Stanford. They have one receiver who will be at the next level and he's a tight end, its not enough, they struggle to score and the secondary will fall apart this weekend.