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    Posted: May. 9, 2009 - 3:47 AM ET #1

    hello

    this is my first try of a system. soo simple that i'm sure someone is using already. 

    for me good system is the one that will get e to a certain goal during a season. in my case it's to win 20u (humble start) and not to lose my bank in the process.

    ah... the 4/4 thing...

    bet the home team that has more than 4 wins in their last 10 games overall against the team that has less then 4 wins in their last 10 games overall 

    HL10>4 and VTL10<4 

    only other modifier is that home team isn't in a bad streak. L4 or L5 in a row

    these are the numbers i got from backtesting. i always start with the month of may
    columns are:
    season /end profit / w-l / w perc. /max. profit/ min. profit/ date of achieving 20u/ date of busting (-20u)/ longest w streak/ longest l streak

    2000   -3,94  189-134  58,51%   3,92   -13,22       0     0    9    6
    2001  28,70  189-112  62,79%  30,76   -12,62   909     0  12    7
    2002 -33,65  151-121  55,51%    7,30   -44,20      0  614  10    7
    2003   -2,87  167-110  60,29%    3,13   -25,57      0  524  12    6
    2004  26,59  172-93    64,91%  31,67     -3,92  707      0  15    4
    2005    3,40  144-96    60,00%  20,18      0,00  605      0  11  10
    2006  15,37  171-106  61,73%   27,74    -6,41  921       0  10   7
    2007  19,08  147-91    61,76%   21,34    -8,45  901       0  12   5
    2008  31,42  163-91    64,17%   32,92    -2,35  914       0  17   5
    2009   4,50      9-3      75,00%     4,50    -0,05     0       0    3   1

    with friday games i think it's 11-3 for 2009 with +6.5u. haven't done proper math for that yet


    as you can see 2000-2003 wasn't that good. rubbish except 2001.
    but since 2004 things are looking much better 

    good enough not to seriously dent the bank and to reach a goal of 20u safely enough.

    there could be nice long streaks with this one and some kind of mild progression could be used to get some more value

    i tested it as a chase system for series (that's how i got to this 4/4 actually) but most of these games are heavily chalked and 1 loss could cost you dearly. example:  sea 2005 last series before all-star break... would be a 70u wipeout 

    i'd appreciate if someone could backtest this results, just to be sure.
    i will be 'fooling around' with some advanced statistics for a better system and must be sure that what i've done here computes well 

    i won't be posting picks for this one. maybe i'll update how it's progressing if there are interested parties

    hope i'll get my 20u 

    gla



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    hello

    this is my first try of a system. soo simple that i'm sure someone is using already. 

    for me good system is the one that will get e to a certain goal during a season. in my case it's to win 20u (humble start) and not to lose my bank in the process.

    ah... the 4/4 thing...

    bet the home team that has more than 4 wins in their last 10 games overall against the team that has less then 4 wins in their last 10 games overall 

    HL10>4 and VTL10<4 

    only other modifier is that home team isn't in a bad streak. L4 or L5 in a row

    these are the numbers i got from backtesting. i always start with the month of may
    columns are:
    season /end profit / w-l / w perc. /max. profit/ min. profit/ date of achieving 20u/ date of busting (-20u)/ longest w streak/ longest l streak

    2000   -3,94  189-134  58,51%   3,92   -13,22       0     0    9    6
    2001  28,70  189-112  62,79%  30,76   -12,62   909     0  12    7
    2002 -33,65  151-121  55,51%    7,30   -44,20      0  614  10    7
    2003   -2,87  167-110  60,29%    3,13   -25,57      0  524  12    6
    2004  26,59  172-93    64,91%  31,67     -3,92  707      0  15    4
    2005    3,40  144-96    60,00%  20,18      0,00  605      0  11  10
    2006  15,37  171-106  61,73%   27,74    -6,41  921       0  10   7
    2007  19,08  147-91    61,76%   21,34    -8,45  901       0  12   5
    2008  31,42  163-91    64,17%   32,92    -2,35  914       0  17   5
    2009   4,50      9-3      75,00%     4,50    -0,05     0       0    3   1

    with friday games i think it's 11-3 for 2009 with +6.5u. haven't done proper math for that yet


    as you can see 2000-2003 wasn't that good. rubbish except 2001.
    but since 2004 things are looking much better 

    good enough not to seriously dent the bank and to reach a goal of 20u safely enough.

    there could be nice long streaks with this one and some kind of mild progression could be used to get some more value

    i tested it as a chase system for series (that's how i got to this 4/4 actually) but most of these games are heavily chalked and 1 loss could cost you dearly. example:  sea 2005 last series before all-star break... would be a 70u wipeout 

    i'd appreciate if someone could backtest this results, just to be sure.
    i will be 'fooling around' with some advanced statistics for a better system and must be sure that what i've done here computes well 

    i won't be posting picks for this one. maybe i'll update how it's progressing if there are interested parties

    hope i'll get my 20u 

    gla



     
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    MLB system... i forgot to mention that
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    Posted: May. 14, 2009 - 9:13 AM ET #3

    progress report... nobody actually cares about
    +13.4u  
    20-5   w-l

    today:
    brewers, cubs, rangers and blue jays

    if we go strictly by the system...
    not sure if opposing CC and king Felix is wise but those will be counted in the system records

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    progress report... nobody actually cares about
    +13.4u  
    20-5   w-l

    today:
    brewers, cubs, rangers and blue jays

    if we go strictly by the system...
    not sure if opposing CC and king Felix is wise but those will be counted in the system records

     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2009 - 6:56 PM ET #4

    If you keep winning 20 of every 25 plays, you'll definetly get some interest. If you could post daily, it would be easy for eveyone to see how well your system works. I see you're already 3-0 today, pending Toronto.
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    If you keep winning 20 of every 25 plays, you'll definetly get some interest. If you could post daily, it would be easy for eveyone to see how well your system works. I see you're already 3-0 today, pending Toronto.
     
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    well on your way to 20 units
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    well on your way to 20 units
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhudd70:

    If you keep winning 20 of every 25 plays, you'll definetly get some interest. If you could post daily, it would be easy for eveyone to see how well your system works. I see you're already 3-0 today, pending Toronto.

                                                 

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    If you keep winning 20 of every 25 plays, you'll definetly get some interest. If you could post daily, it would be easy for eveyone to see how well your system works. I see you're already 3-0 today, pending Toronto.

                                                 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by hrabri_pero:

     

     

     

    bet the home team that has more than 4 wins in their last 10 games overall against the team that has less then 4 wins in their last 10 games overall 

    HL10>4 and VTL10<4 

    only other modifier is that home team isn't in a bad streak. L4 or L5 in a row

    these are the numbers i got from backtesting. i always start with the month of may
    columns are:
    season /end profit / w-l / w perc. /max. profit/ min. profit/ date of achieving 20u/ date of busting (-20u)/ longest w streak/ longest l streak

    2000   -3,94  189-134  58,51%   3,92   -13,22       0     0    9    6
    2001  28,70  189-112  62,79%  30,76   -12,62   909     0  12    7
    2002 -33,65  151-121  55,51%    7,30   -44,20      0  614  10    7
    2003   -2,87  167-110  60,29%    3,13   -25,57      0  524  12    6
    2004  26,59  172-93    64,91%  31,67     -3,92  707      0  15    4
    2005    3,40  144-96    60,00%  20,18      0,00  605      0  11  10
    2006  15,37  171-106  61,73%   27,74    -6,41  921       0  10   7
    2007  19,08  147-91    61,76%   21,34    -8,45  901       0  12   5
    2008  31,42  163-91    64,17%   32,92    -2,35  914       0  17   5
    2009   4,50      9-3      75,00%     4,50    -0,05     0       0    3   1


     


     
     

     
     

     

     
     

     

     
     



     average mean 62%+  stats don't lie, this system has already proven to be successful over the past 10 years, good research

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    bet the home team that has more than 4 wins in their last 10 games overall against the team that has less then 4 wins in their last 10 games overall 

    HL10>4 and VTL10<4 

    only other modifier is that home team isn't in a bad streak. L4 or L5 in a row

    these are the numbers i got from backtesting. i always start with the month of may
    columns are:
    season /end profit / w-l / w perc. /max. profit/ min. profit/ date of achieving 20u/ date of busting (-20u)/ longest w streak/ longest l streak

    2000   -3,94  189-134  58,51%   3,92   -13,22       0     0    9    6
    2001  28,70  189-112  62,79%  30,76   -12,62   909     0  12    7
    2002 -33,65  151-121  55,51%    7,30   -44,20      0  614  10    7
    2003   -2,87  167-110  60,29%    3,13   -25,57      0  524  12    6
    2004  26,59  172-93    64,91%  31,67     -3,92  707      0  15    4
    2005    3,40  144-96    60,00%  20,18      0,00  605      0  11  10
    2006  15,37  171-106  61,73%   27,74    -6,41  921       0  10   7
    2007  19,08  147-91    61,76%   21,34    -8,45  901       0  12   5
    2008  31,42  163-91    64,17%   32,92    -2,35  914       0  17   5
    2009   4,50      9-3      75,00%     4,50    -0,05     0       0    3   1


     


     
     

     
     

     

     
     

     

     
     



     average mean 62%+  stats don't lie, this system has already proven to be successful over the past 10 years, good research

     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2009 - 8:45 AM ET #8

    YTD: +15,68  23-6
    yesterday +2.2 3-1

    thanks for the support :)

    today's games are

    TOR -120
    ATL -165


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    YTD: +15,68  23-6
    yesterday +2.2 3-1

    thanks for the support :)

    today's games are

    TOR -120
    ATL -165


     
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    checking two numbers every day...   hard, hard work but someone's gotta do it 

    it won't be sweet ride all the way, but i'm pretty sure i'll achieve my goal 

    as soon as i get my code for 2009 play by play stats up and running i'm taking my chances with base runs and runs created.  just backtesting that for now
    thanks sports_Network for bringing that to our attention
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    checking two numbers every day...   hard, hard work but someone's gotta do it 

    it won't be sweet ride all the way, but i'm pretty sure i'll achieve my goal 

    as soon as i get my code for 2009 play by play stats up and running i'm taking my chances with base runs and runs created.  just backtesting that for now
    thanks sports_Network for bringing that to our attention
     
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    GL hrabri :) 
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    Posted: May. 16, 2009 - 10:48 AM ET #12

    YTD: +17.68u 25-6
    yesterday +2u  2-0

    today  ATL & TOR  again
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    YTD: +17.68u 25-6
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    today  ATL & TOR  again
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2009 - 3:43 PM ET #13

    toronto winner !
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    toronto winner !
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2009 - 4:10 PM ET #14

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    Posted: May. 17, 2009 - 5:12 AM ET #15

    YTD: +17.44u 26-7
    yesterday: -0.24u 1-1

    today:
    ATL -200
    TOR -240
    TB -145
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    YTD: +17.44u 26-7
    yesterday: -0.24u 1-1

    today:
    ATL -200
    TOR -240
    TB -145
     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2009 - 7:54 PM ET #16

    3-0  nice job brother //// will be following from now on .... great job ... whos next ???
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    3-0  nice job brother //// will be following from now on .... great job ... whos next ???
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2009 - 2:22 AM ET #17

    YTD: +19.44u 28-7
    yesterday: +2u 2-0.... with  ATL washed out

    today

    ATL
    TOR

    well... i'm surprised this took off with a 80% hit rate 
    but still this is a small sample and when i reach 20u maybe i'll continue this with a smaller unit size

    this could still pick decent 62% for the rest of the season
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    YTD: +19.44u 28-7
    yesterday: +2u 2-0.... with  ATL washed out

    today

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    well... i'm surprised this took off with a 80% hit rate 
    but still this is a small sample and when i reach 20u maybe i'll continue this with a smaller unit size

    this could still pick decent 62% for the rest of the season
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2009 - 4:26 AM ET #18

    your 28-7, powered @ apx...80%/ correct unit management at this point should be to progress your play, based on the success ratio your 20 unit goal should now be classified as step one, you should continue with adjusted management to achieve a new goal of 100 units. Remember, unit management, overpowers winning % in successful handicapping..take full advantage
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    your 28-7, powered @ apx...80%/ correct unit management at this point should be to progress your play, based on the success ratio your 20 unit goal should now be classified as step one, you should continue with adjusted management to achieve a new goal of 100 units. Remember, unit management, overpowers winning % in successful handicapping..take full advantage
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2009 - 4:18 PM ET #19

    Tor =

    Atlanta pending.  BOL
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    Tor =

    Atlanta pending.  BOL
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2009 - 4:15 AM ET #20

    YTD: +18.44 29-8
    yesterday: -1u 1-1

    i was over 20u with jays victory... but atlanta set me back 2u

    no plays for today
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    YTD: +18.44 29-8
    yesterday: -1u 1-1

    i was over 20u with jays victory... but atlanta set me back 2u

    no plays for today
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2009 - 4:32 PM ET #21

    STL cardinals tonight
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    STL cardinals tonight
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2009 - 11:33 PM ET #22

    Is there any reason why this will not continue to hit at @ 60% or better?  This seems to be working very well.  It is very logical.  Its as simple as you said it was.

    Do you mind contnuing to track right here even after you have won your 20 unit?

    Thanksfor sharing it with us.
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    Is there any reason why this will not continue to hit at @ 60% or better?  This seems to be working very well.  It is very logical.  Its as simple as you said it was.

    Do you mind contnuing to track right here even after you have won your 20 unit?

    Thanksfor sharing it with us.
     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2009 - 2:19 AM ET #23

    YTD: +19.44  30-8
    yesterday: 1-0   

    satruday 23
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    i'll keep posting. maybe this is gonna be a record season. topping the 2008

    comparing the numbers from previous years  63% for the rest of the season is my most optimistic estimate.  (nightmareish 52% is also a possibility)

    i tested some progressive unit size options and for me it's still inconclusive yet... can't find clear advantage of increasing either after a bad period or after a good period... 

    this is a simple system/trend  and for now my MM will stay simple as well
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    satruday 23
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    i'll keep posting. maybe this is gonna be a record season. topping the 2008

    comparing the numbers from previous years  63% for the rest of the season is my most optimistic estimate.  (nightmareish 52% is also a possibility)

    i tested some progressive unit size options and for me it's still inconclusive yet... can't find clear advantage of increasing either after a bad period or after a good period... 

    this is a simple system/trend  and for now my MM will stay simple as well
     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2009 - 4:18 PM ET #24

    St.L =

    BOL on Det.
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    St.L =

    BOL on Det.
     
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2009 - 4:47 AM ET #25

    YTD: +19.09  31-9
    yestarday: -.35   1-1

    new rule for this system!!! dont bet against Marquis and Rox :p
    again they postponed getting cleanly to 20 units

    today
    STL again

    i hope  it's in the cards for 4/4 to reach 20u goal today
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    YTD: +19.09  31-9
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    new rule for this system!!! dont bet against Marquis and Rox :p
    again they postponed getting cleanly to 20 units

    today
    STL again

    i hope  it's in the cards for 4/4 to reach 20u goal today
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