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    jthollywood
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 4:56 PM ET #301

    Just messing with '9ers, Hunted. I like what they are doing as a team. They need to get a linebacker a defensive back and someone to replace young on the line. Also, a big time receiver. Plus they play in a weak division...but is getting better.
     
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    Just messing with '9ers, Hunted. I like what they are doing as a team. They need to get a linebacker a defensive back and someone to replace young on the line. Also, a big time receiver. Plus they play in a weak division...but is getting better.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 5:06 PM ET #302

    I'm not a big fan of prop bets except for the superbowl. Can anyone tell me if i wager on a player to score the first TD of the game and win will that bet post as soon as the player scores or after the game???
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    I'm not a big fan of prop bets except for the superbowl. Can anyone tell me if i wager on a player to score the first TD of the game and win will that bet post as soon as the player scores or after the game???
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 5:16 PM ET #303

    Usually after the game........
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    Usually after the game........
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 6:33 PM ET #304

    Smokey- I think it depends on the book. Sportsbook pays on props as they happen. I.E.  I cashed in @ +800 on that beautiful Brees grounding call (Safety)in the NFC Champ game and was paid right away. No comments from anybody on how dumb of a bet that is. Please, I already know, but what the hell? This is my last hoorah until August and I'm betting on every damn thing in the game. I can't stomach betting on  - --. and it gives my liver a rest.
     
       AND THE OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .........and tails...........lol
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    Smokey- I think it depends on the book. Sportsbook pays on props as they happen. I.E.  I cashed in @ +800 on that beautiful Brees grounding call (Safety)in the NFC Champ game and was paid right away. No comments from anybody on how dumb of a bet that is. Please, I already know, but what the hell? This is my last hoorah until August and I'm betting on every damn thing in the game. I can't stomach betting on  - --. and it gives my liver a rest.
     
       AND THE OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .........and tails...........lol
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 6:34 PM ET #305

    COLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    COLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 7:45 PM ET #306

    Sorry, I found a mistake on my Scorpio like post. With all the information a couple numbers got mixed up. Anyways the Bears +/- differential in their loses are -10 (includes Arizona game).
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    Sorry, I found a mistake on my Scorpio like post. With all the information a couple numbers got mixed up. Anyways the Bears +/- differential in their loses are -10 (includes Arizona game).
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 8:00 PM ET #307

    Here's the latest update, fellas..be sure to vote!!!
     
    Bears/Under - 4 (DaDonk, hollywood, Tauntstreet, Colonel Jim)
    Bears/Over - 4 (Buckner, JWishbone, Irisheyes, IronOaks)
    Colts/Under - 7 (stoplyin', BreakaBookie, FlyHi, tulanebill, Lucho, spankster, lookintowin)
    Colts/Over - 7 (playmaker, phancard, Hunted466, 3rd&Long, settleup, Dr. J and JGambler)
     
    You have crunched very well, hollywood..those are great stats and you have done your homework....nice job...
     
    For me, football is trench warfare...it's a game decided by big men on the line of scrimmage...one side trying to create space and one side trying to clamp space down...basic physics...in a physical power game, the team with the more physical and more powerful trench warriors have an advantage...in this case, this is Chicago...is it an overwhelming edge ?...certainly not in this game given the perimeter speed of the Colts WR's and the superb QB...their offensive system is like clockwork...Tom Moore is the best O/C in the League...Howard Mudd has always been one of the most respected line coaches in the league..they are skillful and talented enough to beat the Bully Bears (but NOT at their own game)...on defense, the Colts are a smaller and quicker unit designed for playing with a good lead on carpet...that is how Polian has built them...but they are not on turf and may not get a sizeable lead....if this is a "Black and Blue NFC Norris" type-of-game, the Bears O-Line will knock them off the ball and maul them them...the Colts will have Jones and Benson's cleat marks all over their jerseys..and no amount of fancy passing with great route-running and skillfully designed coordination will make up for getting hammered and humiliated in the running game when your defense is on the field...and hollywood, if the Bears get to 35+ rushing plays it will very likely be an ugly day for the team in blue and white... 
     
    I'm still crunching this one fellas...good luck!
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    Here's the latest update, fellas..be sure to vote!!!
     
    Bears/Under - 4 (DaDonk, hollywood, Tauntstreet, Colonel Jim)
    Bears/Over - 4 (Buckner, JWishbone, Irisheyes, IronOaks)
    Colts/Under - 7 (stoplyin', BreakaBookie, FlyHi, tulanebill, Lucho, spankster, lookintowin)
    Colts/Over - 7 (playmaker, phancard, Hunted466, 3rd&Long, settleup, Dr. J and JGambler)
     
    You have crunched very well, hollywood..those are great stats and you have done your homework....nice job...
     
    For me, football is trench warfare...it's a game decided by big men on the line of scrimmage...one side trying to create space and one side trying to clamp space down...basic physics...in a physical power game, the team with the more physical and more powerful trench warriors have an advantage...in this case, this is Chicago...is it an overwhelming edge ?...certainly not in this game given the perimeter speed of the Colts WR's and the superb QB...their offensive system is like clockwork...Tom Moore is the best O/C in the League...Howard Mudd has always been one of the most respected line coaches in the league..they are skillful and talented enough to beat the Bully Bears (but NOT at their own game)...on defense, the Colts are a smaller and quicker unit designed for playing with a good lead on carpet...that is how Polian has built them...but they are not on turf and may not get a sizeable lead....if this is a "Black and Blue NFC Norris" type-of-game, the Bears O-Line will knock them off the ball and maul them them...the Colts will have Jones and Benson's cleat marks all over their jerseys..and no amount of fancy passing with great route-running and skillfully designed coordination will make up for getting hammered and humiliated in the running game when your defense is on the field...and hollywood, if the Bears get to 35+ rushing plays it will very likely be an ugly day for the team in blue and white... 
     
    I'm still crunching this one fellas...good luck!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 8:32 PM ET #308

    btw Hunted466....betting baseball is FUNNNN...and money-making opportunities are there every day....I am hoping to have an awesome baseball season...
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    btw Hunted466....betting baseball is FUNNNN...and money-making opportunities are there every day....I am hoping to have an awesome baseball season...
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 8:45 PM ET #309

    Quote Originally Posted by Hunted466:

    Don't dog my 49rs JT. I know they suck. I've been in pain for the last 10 years over those guys but look out next year. Solid D with 8 picks in the draft and their  Salary cap money, they'll be in the playoffs. Baby steps JT, baby steps! Just ask Denver. They watched the playoffs on TV this year because of my boys!
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    Don't dog my 49rs JT. I know they suck. I've been in pain for the last 10 years over those guys but look out next year. Solid D with 8 picks in the draft and their  Salary cap money, they'll be in the playoffs. Baby steps JT, baby steps! Just ask Denver. They watched the playoffs on TV this year because of my boys!
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 9:12 PM ET #310

    Quote Originally Posted by Hunted466:

    Smokey- I think it depends on the book. Sportsbook pays on props as they happen. I.E.  I cashed in @ +800 on that beautiful Brees grounding call (Safety)in the NFC Champ game and was paid right away. No comments from anybody on how dumb of a bet that is. Please, I already know, but what the hell? This is my last hoorah until August and I'm betting on every damn thing in the game. I can't stomach betting on  - --. and it gives my liver a rest.
     
       AND THE OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .........and tails...........lol
      Damn mine too   Bears money line their going to rattle Manning how many times have you seen it done  they shut down NO high powered O and they will shut down Indys O . trust me da bears want it just as bad as Manning and dont get me wrong I know Breezzzze is no Manning but watch out    Bears ML
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunted466:

    Smokey- I think it depends on the book. Sportsbook pays on props as they happen. I.E.  I cashed in @ +800 on that beautiful Brees grounding call (Safety)in the NFC Champ game and was paid right away. No comments from anybody on how dumb of a bet that is. Please, I already know, but what the hell? This is my last hoorah until August and I'm betting on every damn thing in the game. I can't stomach betting on  - --. and it gives my liver a rest.
     
       AND THE OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .........and tails...........lol
      Damn mine too   Bears money line their going to rattle Manning how many times have you seen it done  they shut down NO high powered O and they will shut down Indys O . trust me da bears want it just as bad as Manning and dont get me wrong I know Breezzzze is no Manning but watch out    Bears ML
      Greg O out !!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 9:13 PM ET #311

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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 9:28 PM ET #312

    Scorp,
    TomMoore is a good football guy but the best offensive coordinator . Lets be honest here Moore is the assistant offensive coordinator and Peyton is the main man calling the shots. It doesn't matter what play he calls Peyton is going to audiable out of it 90% of the time. Moore basically takes up space on the sideline. In the NFL the difference between the talent level from one team to the other is so close that it is scary. Its not like college were the talent level gaps are extremely different from school to school and conference to conference that it is easier to say a team is "faster", "bigger" or "stronger". That gap though has been bridged a little closer over the past five years with the smaller mid conference schools pulling in players that are good and want to play right away instead of backing up some other 5 star recruit at a powerhouse school. Most teams in the NFL are a player or two away from making the playoffs. Yes, experience is a factor in the success of most teams. The trenches are important but look at the teams with a good balance on the offense and defese of lines....they are at home. Most pro handi-cappers could not tell you who the offense of line coach is or the backup nose tackle is. These guys hammer the small schools in both college football and collge hoops like they play on those teams BUT they could not tell you who plays on any of those squads. They might look at how many rush yds. a team gives up and how well that opponent runs the ball. Look at teams home/away records, revenge factors, key injuries and weather. If they looked at Booger Macfarlands eating habits and workout routine and whether or not that defense will run stunts on third down then they would kill themselves with anxiety attacks and sleep depervation. They just try to find a mismatch on paper and go with it. Like the fact Indy gives up an avg. of 200 yds. away from home and the Bears can run the ball well. Not who is coaching position players and how that is going to affect the game. There is a reason Moore is still an offensive coordinator because he is just decent and he will not affect the outcome of this game. It comes down to execution and who makes less mistakes. Tell me how the Bears went 13-3 or whatever they did with a rookie quarterback Kyle Orton. I mean he was horrible. Same with the Ravens and Dilfer and even Brady in his first superbowl run. There is a reason why Elway took 4 tries to get his first superbowl (they had a good rummingback and managed turnovers). Brad Johnson with the Bucs, he was not that good but they took care of the ball caused turnovers and established the run. The colts have blown teams out away from home on grass but guess what...they limited their mistakes.
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    TomMoore is a good football guy but the best offensive coordinator . Lets be honest here Moore is the assistant offensive coordinator and Peyton is the main man calling the shots. It doesn't matter what play he calls Peyton is going to audiable out of it 90% of the time. Moore basically takes up space on the sideline. In the NFL the difference between the talent level from one team to the other is so close that it is scary. Its not like college were the talent level gaps are extremely different from school to school and conference to conference that it is easier to say a team is "faster", "bigger" or "stronger". That gap though has been bridged a little closer over the past five years with the smaller mid conference schools pulling in players that are good and want to play right away instead of backing up some other 5 star recruit at a powerhouse school. Most teams in the NFL are a player or two away from making the playoffs. Yes, experience is a factor in the success of most teams. The trenches are important but look at the teams with a good balance on the offense and defese of lines....they are at home. Most pro handi-cappers could not tell you who the offense of line coach is or the backup nose tackle is. These guys hammer the small schools in both college football and collge hoops like they play on those teams BUT they could not tell you who plays on any of those squads. They might look at how many rush yds. a team gives up and how well that opponent runs the ball. Look at teams home/away records, revenge factors, key injuries and weather. If they looked at Booger Macfarlands eating habits and workout routine and whether or not that defense will run stunts on third down then they would kill themselves with anxiety attacks and sleep depervation. They just try to find a mismatch on paper and go with it. Like the fact Indy gives up an avg. of 200 yds. away from home and the Bears can run the ball well. Not who is coaching position players and how that is going to affect the game. There is a reason Moore is still an offensive coordinator because he is just decent and he will not affect the outcome of this game. It comes down to execution and who makes less mistakes. Tell me how the Bears went 13-3 or whatever they did with a rookie quarterback Kyle Orton. I mean he was horrible. Same with the Ravens and Dilfer and even Brady in his first superbowl run. There is a reason why Elway took 4 tries to get his first superbowl (they had a good rummingback and managed turnovers). Brad Johnson with the Bucs, he was not that good but they took care of the ball caused turnovers and established the run. The colts have blown teams out away from home on grass but guess what...they limited their mistakes.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 10:29 PM ET #313

    hollywood....I will leave the professional gambler to his fallacious thoughts...I don't know you that well but I know you well enough to know that probably no one can change your mind...but you have little idea just how incorrect your last post was...and it would be unrealistic of me to expect you to know...

    The reality is you have never met Tom Moore, coached against him, broke down his offense for a National Football League defense or participated in a game as a coach against him...I have...the reality is that you have never coached a down of football in the National Football League, scouted Pro and college football players, signed them or recommend they be signed, participated in practices with them, sat in film rooms, game-planned with other coaches, broke down game tape, etc. etc...and you know I have done all that...and more...
     
    You are certainly welcomed to believe that the QB calls all the shots and Tom Moore is just window dressing (and others with absolutely no experience in Pro Football may believe you) but comments like that only invalidate you to me...you REALLY don't know your facts on this one, my friend...and you are welcomed to counter my contention but I have way too many years on you and way way more football experience to know better...saying Tom Moore is irrelevant and his coaching does not effect the outcomes as games is as correct as posting Houston plays in a Dome and Reggie Bush returns kick-offs....it simply isn't so...I am not trying to pick a fight....I like you and you are welcomed to your opinions...but others need to understand just how incredibly assinine that last post was from the perspective of a veteran football man who has actually worked in the NFL, the CFL and NFL Europe...and your last post was the work of a man who clearly does not understand NFL coaching structure and the contributions of the men who diagram and teach the game to the players...and saying a GREAT football man (and friend to me) like Tom Moore "takes up space on the sideline" is absolutely ludicrous...stick with the first-quarter totals and the half-time bets...you excel at those, my friend... 
     
    Not getting personal with you...but not even I have the time or the patience to post the all the neccesary corrections to your last post.....if it was somebody else, I wouldn't even bother with a response..I would just laugh and call them a "typical fan"...but I like you and respect you so I AM troubling myself...so listen up, California Cool....Coaches Count!...solid coaching is invaluable...most players do not fully understand all the various X's and O's we run....players do not run teams...Manning does NOT run that offense...of course he can audible out of plays but he does not create the script...Players are interchangable parts to us...we make the calls...we take the heat from the GM and the owner when things blow up....with the salary cap, the players are immuned by and large...we work until 2 am then sleep in our offices while the players cat around and chase tail...and that's only ten percent of it...as I say, I don't expect you (or anyone who has never been involved) to understand...but I like you too much not to respond to that (in my opinion) ridiculous post...I doubt I can change your mind and take my advice for what it's worth....it only has 20 years of college and Pro football experience to it!
     
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    hollywood....I will leave the professional gambler to his fallacious thoughts...I don't know you that well but I know you well enough to know that probably no one can change your mind...but you have little idea just how incorrect your last post was...and it would be unrealistic of me to expect you to know...

    The reality is you have never met Tom Moore, coached against him, broke down his offense for a National Football League defense or participated in a game as a coach against him...I have...the reality is that you have never coached a down of football in the National Football League, scouted Pro and college football players, signed them or recommend they be signed, participated in practices with them, sat in film rooms, game-planned with other coaches, broke down game tape, etc. etc...and you know I have done all that...and more...
     
    You are certainly welcomed to believe that the QB calls all the shots and Tom Moore is just window dressing (and others with absolutely no experience in Pro Football may believe you) but comments like that only invalidate you to me...you REALLY don't know your facts on this one, my friend...and you are welcomed to counter my contention but I have way too many years on you and way way more football experience to know better...saying Tom Moore is irrelevant and his coaching does not effect the outcomes as games is as correct as posting Houston plays in a Dome and Reggie Bush returns kick-offs....it simply isn't so...I am not trying to pick a fight....I like you and you are welcomed to your opinions...but others need to understand just how incredibly assinine that last post was from the perspective of a veteran football man who has actually worked in the NFL, the CFL and NFL Europe...and your last post was the work of a man who clearly does not understand NFL coaching structure and the contributions of the men who diagram and teach the game to the players...and saying a GREAT football man (and friend to me) like Tom Moore "takes up space on the sideline" is absolutely ludicrous...stick with the first-quarter totals and the half-time bets...you excel at those, my friend... 
     
    Not getting personal with you...but not even I have the time or the patience to post the all the neccesary corrections to your last post.....if it was somebody else, I wouldn't even bother with a response..I would just laugh and call them a "typical fan"...but I like you and respect you so I AM troubling myself...so listen up, California Cool....Coaches Count!...solid coaching is invaluable...most players do not fully understand all the various X's and O's we run....players do not run teams...Manning does NOT run that offense...of course he can audible out of plays but he does not create the script...Players are interchangable parts to us...we make the calls...we take the heat from the GM and the owner when things blow up....with the salary cap, the players are immuned by and large...we work until 2 am then sleep in our offices while the players cat around and chase tail...and that's only ten percent of it...as I say, I don't expect you (or anyone who has never been involved) to understand...but I like you too much not to respond to that (in my opinion) ridiculous post...I doubt I can change your mind and take my advice for what it's worth....it only has 20 years of college and Pro football experience to it!
     
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    Do I still get all the lap dances at all the hot LA Clubs bought for me if the total goes over 17 in the first quarter? If your answer is NO then please disregard this post...it's all a joke and Dr. J put me up to it!!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2007 - 10:57 PM ET #314

    no one pulls your strings scorp. u keeps it real buddah.
    BTW i have no real opinion on the o/u i just picked one bc of your contest. ML colts
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    no one pulls your strings scorp. u keeps it real buddah.
    BTW i have no real opinion on the o/u i just picked one bc of your contest. ML colts
     
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    and another thing from your post, hollywood...
     
    The colts have blown teams out away from home on grass but guess what...they limited their mistakes.
     
    On the road this year, the Colts beat the NYG by 5 (field turf), beat NYJ by three (field turf), beat Denver by three (Prescription Athletic Turf), beat NE by 7 (grass), lost by seven to Dallas (field turf), lost by three to Tennessee (grass), lost by 27 to Jax (grass), lost by 3 to Houston (grass) and beat BM by nine (grass)...
     
    I don't see any Colt blow-outs away from home on grass, hollywood...does anyone else? Maybe they all occured in the Dome that Houston plays in with Reggie Bush returning kick-offs!! (jk - lol!)
     
    And of course the team that makes the fewest number of mistakes is always the most likely to win. Turnovers are huge..that's a given.
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    and another thing from your post, hollywood...
     
    The colts have blown teams out away from home on grass but guess what...they limited their mistakes.
     
    On the road this year, the Colts beat the NYG by 5 (field turf), beat NYJ by three (field turf), beat Denver by three (Prescription Athletic Turf), beat NE by 7 (grass), lost by seven to Dallas (field turf), lost by three to Tennessee (grass), lost by 27 to Jax (grass), lost by 3 to Houston (grass) and beat BM by nine (grass)...
     
    I don't see any Colt blow-outs away from home on grass, hollywood...does anyone else? Maybe they all occured in the Dome that Houston plays in with Reggie Bush returning kick-offs!! (jk - lol!)
     
    And of course the team that makes the fewest number of mistakes is always the most likely to win. Turnovers are huge..that's a given.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd :

    BigDaddy, welcome back. St Louis Rams won the SB, and they are a dome team. Just an FYI
     
     
    The year the Rams won the SB they just moved to St. Louis, they played outdoor. They moved into the dome the following year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd :

    BigDaddy, welcome back. St Louis Rams won the SB, and they are a dome team. Just an FYI
     
     
    The year the Rams won the SB they just moved to St. Louis, they played outdoor. They moved into the dome the following year.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by drJ:

    no one pulls your strings scorp. u keeps it real buddah.
    BTW i have no real opinion on the o/u i just picked one bc of your contest. ML colts
     
    Thanks Dr.J.....I will give you a buzz later this week and we will brainstorm together and come up with a few plays other than what the fellas vote on! When I grow up, Dr. J, I want to be just like you!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drJ:

    no one pulls your strings scorp. u keeps it real buddah.
    BTW i have no real opinion on the o/u i just picked one bc of your contest. ML colts
     
    Thanks Dr.J.....I will give you a buzz later this week and we will brainstorm together and come up with a few plays other than what the fellas vote on! When I grow up, Dr. J, I want to be just like you!!!
     
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    E-Z Money...the Rams were a dome team when they won the Super Bowl...I remember them beating Tampa Bay 11-6 with Proehl's late catch in that dome to advance during the 1999-2000 season...I remember UT winning the first Big 12 Championshp game in 1996-97 in that Dome against heavily-favored Nebraska....1995 was the Rams first year in St. Louis...they played outside in the Cardinals old ballpark until Edward Jones Dome was ready...first game there was November 12, 1995....a 28-10 win over Carolina...
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    E-Z Money...the Rams were a dome team when they won the Super Bowl...I remember them beating Tampa Bay 11-6 with Proehl's late catch in that dome to advance during the 1999-2000 season...I remember UT winning the first Big 12 Championshp game in 1996-97 in that Dome against heavily-favored Nebraska....1995 was the Rams first year in St. Louis...they played outside in the Cardinals old ballpark until Edward Jones Dome was ready...first game there was November 12, 1995....a 28-10 win over Carolina...
     
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    T.D., I think you took my post a little prsonal. I am sure Tom Moore is a great coach but tell me what he has done without Peyton Manning? Yes he won two rings with the Chuck Noll as an offensive assistant but since then.....? Turning Scott Mitchell into a 4000 yard passer was nice. if you brought in Gregg Knapp or anyother offensive coordinator not much will change. Kind of like the runningback position for the Colts. I told a friend two years ago That Edgerrin James owes most of his success to Peyton Manning. We had a heated conversation about it. Proof to my point; Edgerrin leaves and they make the superbowl, Edge barely breaks a 1000 yds. and his replacement(a rookie) rushes for 1,200. I can sit here with you and breakdown game film or go on recruiting trips to evaluate talent. You'd be surprised on who I might know and what I know. Spent alot of time with the Raiders during there run in the late 90's and early 2000s. I have a couple of friends that are agents, with one guy the next big wig in the industry. I used to work out with many players that took place in the fast-twitch program during the off-season. All that stuff means nothing when it comes down to gambling. I have a buddy who has two NFL rings (one with baltimore and dallas) and he says he couldn't pick a winner if the spread was involved. The Houston dome post and the bush returning kicks were irrelevant to those posts I made. I will make sure next time I break every detail down so you can't use it against me a month later. I would love for you to break down my entire post. Lets be honest here you think handicappers know about X's and O's? We are not handicappers we are recreational gamblers. If seen about 5 guys in all of Covers that I'd consider 'cappers, and I would consider myself someone that could pick-out a capper in police line-up. Most of your posts are speculation; talking about Deuce mcCallister running for 150 yds. last week?Deuce didn't even run for 150 yds all season and you thought he was going to do that in Chicago in bad weather? You had dr.j and a few other people talking about Deuce and snow bowls and 150 yds. I also hear cover two's and press coverages at the LOS? Can Hillenmeier cover Clark? You went from not playing this game because it was tough to call, to liking Indy to now liking Chicago. Thats what happens when you pull out the game film and the old chalk board and try to come up with the game plan. I've seen posts talking about soft zones from Chicago. OK I may have not been a scout in the XFL but I know the cover two and the zone schemes. You know whats funny the Bears and their soft box-footed zone defense happened to play man to man coverage on 47% of their pass coverages (NFL network inside info.). I can be talked out of bets, i just need to see the stats, trends or intangiables for me to change my mind. I tried everything to talk you out of New Orleans their last two games and I couldn't do that. Yes, I have not gone 100% on my picks but I've hit everyside in the playoffs, and have gone 50% on the totals. So I guess i do not have the resume that you have when it comes to football. It sucks that I weighed 140 lbs. my senior year and did not get recruited, but none of that shit makes a difference today and especially picking a winner for the superbowl. And maybe I won't win but as of right now i feel like I am on the right side. Remember the things I talked about earlier...the things you can't predict (turnovers). As long as I can say I put my chips in with the best hand but that doesn't mean I will win that hand...... Yes I will still take you to the dodger game if there is 17 first quarter points. Just don't tell me you know Tommy Lasorda and I should lay cash on a team because you went to spring training with Roy Campanella.
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    T.D., I think you took my post a little prsonal. I am sure Tom Moore is a great coach but tell me what he has done without Peyton Manning? Yes he won two rings with the Chuck Noll as an offensive assistant but since then.....? Turning Scott Mitchell into a 4000 yard passer was nice. if you brought in Gregg Knapp or anyother offensive coordinator not much will change. Kind of like the runningback position for the Colts. I told a friend two years ago That Edgerrin James owes most of his success to Peyton Manning. We had a heated conversation about it. Proof to my point; Edgerrin leaves and they make the superbowl, Edge barely breaks a 1000 yds. and his replacement(a rookie) rushes for 1,200. I can sit here with you and breakdown game film or go on recruiting trips to evaluate talent. You'd be surprised on who I might know and what I know. Spent alot of time with the Raiders during there run in the late 90's and early 2000s. I have a couple of friends that are agents, with one guy the next big wig in the industry. I used to work out with many players that took place in the fast-twitch program during the off-season. All that stuff means nothing when it comes down to gambling. I have a buddy who has two NFL rings (one with baltimore and dallas) and he says he couldn't pick a winner if the spread was involved. The Houston dome post and the bush returning kicks were irrelevant to those posts I made. I will make sure next time I break every detail down so you can't use it against me a month later. I would love for you to break down my entire post. Lets be honest here you think handicappers know about X's and O's? We are not handicappers we are recreational gamblers. If seen about 5 guys in all of Covers that I'd consider 'cappers, and I would consider myself someone that could pick-out a capper in police line-up. Most of your posts are speculation; talking about Deuce mcCallister running for 150 yds. last week?Deuce didn't even run for 150 yds all season and you thought he was going to do that in Chicago in bad weather? You had dr.j and a few other people talking about Deuce and snow bowls and 150 yds. I also hear cover two's and press coverages at the LOS? Can Hillenmeier cover Clark? You went from not playing this game because it was tough to call, to liking Indy to now liking Chicago. Thats what happens when you pull out the game film and the old chalk board and try to come up with the game plan. I've seen posts talking about soft zones from Chicago. OK I may have not been a scout in the XFL but I know the cover two and the zone schemes. You know whats funny the Bears and their soft box-footed zone defense happened to play man to man coverage on 47% of their pass coverages (NFL network inside info.). I can be talked out of bets, i just need to see the stats, trends or intangiables for me to change my mind. I tried everything to talk you out of New Orleans their last two games and I couldn't do that. Yes, I have not gone 100% on my picks but I've hit everyside in the playoffs, and have gone 50% on the totals. So I guess i do not have the resume that you have when it comes to football. It sucks that I weighed 140 lbs. my senior year and did not get recruited, but none of that shit makes a difference today and especially picking a winner for the superbowl. And maybe I won't win but as of right now i feel like I am on the right side. Remember the things I talked about earlier...the things you can't predict (turnovers). As long as I can say I put my chips in with the best hand but that doesn't mean I will win that hand...... Yes I will still take you to the dodger game if there is 17 first quarter points. Just don't tell me you know Tommy Lasorda and I should lay cash on a team because you went to spring training with Roy Campanella.
     
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    Touche, my friend hollywood...and very well done...impressive!
     
    You'd be surprised on who I might know and what I know.
    As long as you know Ginger and Amber down at the L.A. Jiggly room, that's all that counts to me!!
     
    I have a couple of friends that are agents, with one guy the next big wig in the industry.
    Not very particular about who you hang out with, eh?? Agents and Al Qada..is there a difference?
     
    The Houston dome post and the bush returning kicks were irrelevant to those posts I made. I will make sure next time I break every detail down so you can't use it against me a month later
    Oh but come on...that's so much FUN!!!
     
    You went from not playing this game because it was tough to call, to liking Indy to now liking Chicago.
    Be proud...your dysfunctional addiction has rubbed off on me!! Thanks, buddy!
     
    OK I may have not been a scout in the XFL
    That hurt, Jeremy....I would never stoop so low as to work in the XFL! That was uncalled for!
     
    It sucks that I weighed 140 lbs. my senior year and did not get recruited,
    Recruited? For what? The Drill Team??
     
    Maybe I won't win but as of right now i feel like I am on the right side.
    I am liking Chicago too...as of this moment...
     
    Yes I will still take you to the dodger game if there is 17 first quarter points. Just don't tell me you know Tommy Lasorda and I should lay cash on a team because you went to spring training with Roy Campanella.
    Who cares about baseball.. I metnioned something else...and me and Satchell Page were best buddies (like just us )!
     
    Good post, hollywood....and fair...but don't underestimate coaching...it's not as easy as it looks!
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    Touche, my friend hollywood...and very well done...impressive!
     
    You'd be surprised on who I might know and what I know.
    As long as you know Ginger and Amber down at the L.A. Jiggly room, that's all that counts to me!!
     
    I have a couple of friends that are agents, with one guy the next big wig in the industry.
    Not very particular about who you hang out with, eh?? Agents and Al Qada..is there a difference?
     
    The Houston dome post and the bush returning kicks were irrelevant to those posts I made. I will make sure next time I break every detail down so you can't use it against me a month later
    Oh but come on...that's so much FUN!!!
     
    You went from not playing this game because it was tough to call, to liking Indy to now liking Chicago.
    Be proud...your dysfunctional addiction has rubbed off on me!! Thanks, buddy!
     
    OK I may have not been a scout in the XFL
    That hurt, Jeremy....I would never stoop so low as to work in the XFL! That was uncalled for!
     
    It sucks that I weighed 140 lbs. my senior year and did not get recruited,
    Recruited? For what? The Drill Team??
     
    Maybe I won't win but as of right now i feel like I am on the right side.
    I am liking Chicago too...as of this moment...
     
    Yes I will still take you to the dodger game if there is 17 first quarter points. Just don't tell me you know Tommy Lasorda and I should lay cash on a team because you went to spring training with Roy Campanella.
    Who cares about baseball.. I metnioned something else...and me and Satchell Page were best buddies (like just us )!
     
    Good post, hollywood....and fair...but don't underestimate coaching...it's not as easy as it looks!
     
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    Thanks Scorpio, I was just about to clear that up.
     
    Listen guys, I like you all & have had a lot of fun on these threads. I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, but my biggest strength as a handicapper is NFL playoffs, I wish I could give you my local's # as a reference, he'd be the first to tell you the same. I'm 7-1 ats these last 8 playoff games (go through the threads, the picks are all there), and I am 13-2 last 15 SB's ATS.
     
    I love the Colts minus the points here. Don't tail me blindly, that would be insulting to ask any decent capper to do. Just take a second look at this game. I really believe that this number is messing with people's heads here. Ask yourself this - did you think this number would open at 4.5 absent any other knowledge of the AFC/NFC line that existed? So did I. My gut reaction was to take the points. I had the same gut reaction with the Saints last week. I took the Bears. This line was 6.5 AFC before either one of these teams played last week. Why would they release this game at 7 knowing that Chicago is a HUGE betting market? People are under the impression that the Colts are the public choice here. Look around guys, it's not true. This game will not go off at more than 7, I really think it will be 6.5 or 6 come Sunday. And I was looking for a reason to take the Bears + points to offset my Colts future, I couldn't find one. 
     
    Do whatever you feel is right with the game, that's the fun & sport of it. Just do me a favor - if you've been mentally locked into Chicago since you saw the spread, look at it again. Of course I could be wrong, anything can happen  and quite often does.
     
    Good luck to all whatever play you make, I'll shut up now and let you guys get back to business.
    Thank you everybody for all you've contributed, it's been a pleasure. See you Sunday.
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    Thanks Scorpio, I was just about to clear that up.
     
    Listen guys, I like you all & have had a lot of fun on these threads. I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, but my biggest strength as a handicapper is NFL playoffs, I wish I could give you my local's # as a reference, he'd be the first to tell you the same. I'm 7-1 ats these last 8 playoff games (go through the threads, the picks are all there), and I am 13-2 last 15 SB's ATS.
     
    I love the Colts minus the points here. Don't tail me blindly, that would be insulting to ask any decent capper to do. Just take a second look at this game. I really believe that this number is messing with people's heads here. Ask yourself this - did you think this number would open at 4.5 absent any other knowledge of the AFC/NFC line that existed? So did I. My gut reaction was to take the points. I had the same gut reaction with the Saints last week. I took the Bears. This line was 6.5 AFC before either one of these teams played last week. Why would they release this game at 7 knowing that Chicago is a HUGE betting market? People are under the impression that the Colts are the public choice here. Look around guys, it's not true. This game will not go off at more than 7, I really think it will be 6.5 or 6 come Sunday. And I was looking for a reason to take the Bears + points to offset my Colts future, I couldn't find one. 
     
    Do whatever you feel is right with the game, that's the fun & sport of it. Just do me a favor - if you've been mentally locked into Chicago since you saw the spread, look at it again. Of course I could be wrong, anything can happen  and quite often does.
     
    Good luck to all whatever play you make, I'll shut up now and let you guys get back to business.
    Thank you everybody for all you've contributed, it's been a pleasure. See you Sunday.
     
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    You make a lot of sense, 3rd& Long...as always!
     
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    You make a lot of sense, 3rd& Long...as always!
     
    Good luck my friend!
     
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    I know scorp but we aren't playing armchair quarterback. I would love to challenge you at the game though!!!! How'd you know I was on the drill team? At least I was the captain!!!! Anyways, just like my boy Kllrtn or whatever his name is, when it comes to picking games he has zero edge on me because he played at Va., Tech and understands special teams and pulling guards. His uncle also works at some online place and they talk about the games all the time. I don't care what his uncle does unless he has inside information from some wise guys. I
    'm trying to work with my agent buddy....if i get the gig will I have some street cred? No love lost Scorp, me and you can talk smack and I know it is all in good fun. Tell Tom I'm sorry when you see him.
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    I know scorp but we aren't playing armchair quarterback. I would love to challenge you at the game though!!!! How'd you know I was on the drill team? At least I was the captain!!!! Anyways, just like my boy Kllrtn or whatever his name is, when it comes to picking games he has zero edge on me because he played at Va., Tech and understands special teams and pulling guards. His uncle also works at some online place and they talk about the games all the time. I don't care what his uncle does unless he has inside information from some wise guys. I
    'm trying to work with my agent buddy....if i get the gig will I have some street cred? No love lost Scorp, me and you can talk smack and I know it is all in good fun. Tell Tom I'm sorry when you see him.
     
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    Hey 3rd,
    what's going on? Do you roam around the other forums? Well if you do you'd know who Mr.Bator is. He is a cult figure in the pro football forum (the other one outside of here). This guy's threads last two weeks and get thousands of views. He has major cred as far as I am concerned. In the past two months this guy has saved many guys marriages because he brought them out of their gambling debts with his picks. I've been on Chicago since day one but yesterday I found a thread he was on and me and him were on the same page with this game (made me feel a little better). He had a future bet on the colts so he is going to try to middle and take the bears and the points. Anyways he thinks this line should be Indy as a three point favorite or so. But I like a man with conviction and if you are feeling Indy stick with it. Good luck with that pick...I'll be rooting against you!!!!!
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    Hey 3rd,
    what's going on? Do you roam around the other forums? Well if you do you'd know who Mr.Bator is. He is a cult figure in the pro football forum (the other one outside of here). This guy's threads last two weeks and get thousands of views. He has major cred as far as I am concerned. In the past two months this guy has saved many guys marriages because he brought them out of their gambling debts with his picks. I've been on Chicago since day one but yesterday I found a thread he was on and me and him were on the same page with this game (made me feel a little better). He had a future bet on the colts so he is going to try to middle and take the bears and the points. Anyways he thinks this line should be Indy as a three point favorite or so. But I like a man with conviction and if you are feeling Indy stick with it. Good luck with that pick...I'll be rooting against you!!!!!
     
     
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    I think you have brilliant insight and analysis when it comes to picking winners, hollywood...I wouldn't fool with you if I thought otherwise....You have TONS of street cred with the aging left guard and middle linebacker...you have a gift, my friend...I have seen it many times over...you are SO RIGHT to say all of my posts are speculation based on X's and O's and tendencies and personnel match-ups and potential mismatches....that's all I know..I don't have your gift for the numbers...over several years you could learn what I know...but I don't think what you intrinsically seem to know can be taught - to me or to anyone really...that's why it's a gift...
     
    Buyer beware! The life of a player agent is TOUGH. It is cut throat by and large...other than your Mom, you can't trust anyone (least of all the player you are recruiting)...I had an opportunity or two to join the "Dark Side" when I got out of the NFL racket a couple of years ago...I talked to a few agents but knew it wasn't for me...you may travel a lot and be away from your new wife more than either one of you want...it is a endless hustle..just like coaching and scouting is...I am off that merry-go-round now....I am like John Lennon was before he died...."Watching the wheels go round and round...no longer riding on the merry-go-round....I just had to let it go"...
     
    That life may look and sound great on the surface..but be sure you REALLY want that life before you choose it...if I could turn back the hands of time, I would choose a different path for myself...but that's me...I have no regrets...but that doesn't mean I would make the same exact choices...
     
    And you are right...we can talk smack to each other out of mutual respect...and I will be seeing you way before I see Coach Moore again!
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    I think you have brilliant insight and analysis when it comes to picking winners, hollywood...I wouldn't fool with you if I thought otherwise....You have TONS of street cred with the aging left guard and middle linebacker...you have a gift, my friend...I have seen it many times over...you are SO RIGHT to say all of my posts are speculation based on X's and O's and tendencies and personnel match-ups and potential mismatches....that's all I know..I don't have your gift for the numbers...over several years you could learn what I know...but I don't think what you intrinsically seem to know can be taught - to me or to anyone really...that's why it's a gift...
     
    Buyer beware! The life of a player agent is TOUGH. It is cut throat by and large...other than your Mom, you can't trust anyone (least of all the player you are recruiting)...I had an opportunity or two to join the "Dark Side" when I got out of the NFL racket a couple of years ago...I talked to a few agents but knew it wasn't for me...you may travel a lot and be away from your new wife more than either one of you want...it is a endless hustle..just like coaching and scouting is...I am off that merry-go-round now....I am like John Lennon was before he died...."Watching the wheels go round and round...no longer riding on the merry-go-round....I just had to let it go"...
     
    That life may look and sound great on the surface..but be sure you REALLY want that life before you choose it...if I could turn back the hands of time, I would choose a different path for myself...but that's me...I have no regrets...but that doesn't mean I would make the same exact choices...
     
    And you are right...we can talk smack to each other out of mutual respect...and I will be seeing you way before I see Coach Moore again!
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