0 chance lol who has nadal beaten ferrer and almagro, granted he looked terrific, but even as much as I respect ferrer's game someone who goes into a match saying your lucky to win a set off of nadal impossible to win, thats pretty weak competitiveness and self believe you know joker believes he can beat him and has the game to, his road there granted bumpy has been a lot more difficult
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0 chance lol who has nadal beaten ferrer and almagro, granted he looked terrific, but even as much as I respect ferrer's game someone who goes into a match saying your lucky to win a set off of nadal impossible to win, thats pretty weak competitiveness and self believe you know joker believes he can beat him and has the game to, his road there granted bumpy has been a lot more difficult
i've been watching both of these guys since they were 19 yrs old, year in and year out, EVERY slam, all major matches of theirs not to mention early rounds.
this french, barring a broken foot again or major knee flare up, belongs to Rafa.
right now, he is more focused than i have ever seen him.
no one can touch him, not even Djoko.
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i've been watching both of these guys since they were 19 yrs old, year in and year out, EVERY slam, all major matches of theirs not to mention early rounds.
this french, barring a broken foot again or major knee flare up, belongs to Rafa.
right now, he is more focused than i have ever seen him.
yeah I was about t o say 0 chance your opinion is just tossed out the window for me. And Novak is different player since 2 years ago. I am aware hes obvious favorite I loved the way Novak played today minus his serving. If he can serve how he did set 3 I think he had higher chance then 15.
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yeah I was about t o say 0 chance your opinion is just tossed out the window for me. And Novak is different player since 2 years ago. I am aware hes obvious favorite I loved the way Novak played today minus his serving. If he can serve how he did set 3 I think he had higher chance then 15.
very confused as to why the number 1 seed has the number 3 seed in his side of the tourny in federer and not the number 4 seed in murray, shouldn't it be 14 23 I don't get that seemed like it could have been huge disadvantage to joker
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very confused as to why the number 1 seed has the number 3 seed in his side of the tourny in federer and not the number 4 seed in murray, shouldn't it be 14 23 I don't get that seemed like it could have been huge disadvantage to joker
very confused as to why the number 1 seed has the number 3 seed in his side of the tourny in federer and not the number 4 seed in murray, shouldn't it be 14 23 I don't get that seemed like it could have been huge disadvantage to joker
this has happened many many times bro. i have seen it. it has hurt rafa in tourneys also. the seeding process for the french and wimbledon is very odd compared to that of the aussie and us open.
but, i believe it really is what they say - a draw. after 1 and 2, it goes into a hopper of 3,4, then 5,6, etc, and they literally "draw" it out of a hat or hopper to see who goes where.
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Quote Originally Posted by cowboys173418:
very confused as to why the number 1 seed has the number 3 seed in his side of the tourny in federer and not the number 4 seed in murray, shouldn't it be 14 23 I don't get that seemed like it could have been huge disadvantage to joker
this has happened many many times bro. i have seen it. it has hurt rafa in tourneys also. the seeding process for the french and wimbledon is very odd compared to that of the aussie and us open.
but, i believe it really is what they say - a draw. after 1 and 2, it goes into a hopper of 3,4, then 5,6, etc, and they literally "draw" it out of a hat or hopper to see who goes where.
you said tie breaks on other posts I think if it goes to tie breaks that favors Joker in tie break sets
explain? look at the level rafa is playing since the aussie open final, and factor in that he is THE BEST claycourter in the world. there is a reason this is djoko's first french final yet he is 25 yrs old, 7 yrs into the tour. it's not his time to win the french yet.
if rafa had been owning him the past 2 yrs, it might be different, but rafa is too focused, too pissed, too much after payback after last year. rafa did it to fed at wimbledon and the aussie after he kept losing to fed in 06 and 07, and he's gona do it to Djoker.
sunday is not the day for Djoko to break through at the french, not against THIS guy, at THIS venue, after what he did to him LAST year.
rafa will leave absolutely everything on the court and DIE trying to win the match.
RAFA IN FOUR
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Quote Originally Posted by cowboys173418:
you said tie breaks on other posts I think if it goes to tie breaks that favors Joker in tie break sets
explain? look at the level rafa is playing since the aussie open final, and factor in that he is THE BEST claycourter in the world. there is a reason this is djoko's first french final yet he is 25 yrs old, 7 yrs into the tour. it's not his time to win the french yet.
if rafa had been owning him the past 2 yrs, it might be different, but rafa is too focused, too pissed, too much after payback after last year. rafa did it to fed at wimbledon and the aussie after he kept losing to fed in 06 and 07, and he's gona do it to Djoker.
sunday is not the day for Djoko to break through at the french, not against THIS guy, at THIS venue, after what he did to him LAST year.
rafa will leave absolutely everything on the court and DIE trying to win the match.
I think that nadal likes breaking hes stated this before he gets more comfortable after the break the longer the sets goes even I think favors joker,,,,,,, statements like
rafa will leave absolutely everything on the court and DIE trying to win the match are just stupid they just played a 5 hour match both players are going to give their best effort its the french open final
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I think that nadal likes breaking hes stated this before he gets more comfortable after the break the longer the sets goes even I think favors joker,,,,,,, statements like
rafa will leave absolutely everything on the court and DIE trying to win the match are just stupid they just played a 5 hour match both players are going to give their best effort its the french open final
Cowboys, this level of tennis analysis is clearly beyond your comprehension to bet against Nadal in THIS SPOT. it's like betting against Michael Jordan in his 6 finals appearances.......you just do not get it, do you.
The mental edge Djoko had over Rafa has switched 150 degrees, and will reach 180 degrees after Sunday. Rafa has made the adjustments since last year when he plays Djoko, and that showed in the 5 setter i australia, then the 2 matches on clay where you are making excuses for Djoko. Rafa is serving better and bothering Djoko more now than ever before with the baseline game, going to the backhand with those huge topspin forehand shots, and he's doing it quicker in the point. He's also coming to net more after hitting the corners to either side, he's taking chances and jumping on Djoko's 2nd serve.
Djoko has not had the answers the last 2 matches. he damn near lost in australia as Rafa had plenty of chances.
I'm sorry you are unable to see "the game within the proverbial game". i did not want to waste my time breaking it down like this so i write short blurbs, but you are just not getting it.
you are blinded by love for Djoko, no matter what you might say. you will probably go broke a few times betting on tennis and other sports until you do well.
i give Djoko way more credit than you give Rafa, and i guarantee you i am the biggest rafa fan around. i live to watch this guy play and win, more than any other athlete i have ever watched.
that tells me that i am way more objective than you
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Cowboys, this level of tennis analysis is clearly beyond your comprehension to bet against Nadal in THIS SPOT. it's like betting against Michael Jordan in his 6 finals appearances.......you just do not get it, do you.
The mental edge Djoko had over Rafa has switched 150 degrees, and will reach 180 degrees after Sunday. Rafa has made the adjustments since last year when he plays Djoko, and that showed in the 5 setter i australia, then the 2 matches on clay where you are making excuses for Djoko. Rafa is serving better and bothering Djoko more now than ever before with the baseline game, going to the backhand with those huge topspin forehand shots, and he's doing it quicker in the point. He's also coming to net more after hitting the corners to either side, he's taking chances and jumping on Djoko's 2nd serve.
Djoko has not had the answers the last 2 matches. he damn near lost in australia as Rafa had plenty of chances.
I'm sorry you are unable to see "the game within the proverbial game". i did not want to waste my time breaking it down like this so i write short blurbs, but you are just not getting it.
you are blinded by love for Djoko, no matter what you might say. you will probably go broke a few times betting on tennis and other sports until you do well.
i give Djoko way more credit than you give Rafa, and i guarantee you i am the biggest rafa fan around. i live to watch this guy play and win, more than any other athlete i have ever watched.
that tells me that i am way more objective than you
we will see, I won't talk about a match on a different surface where joker won really no argument there novak won and was better under the pressure, I am throwing out the the first clay match. The last one was very even, nadal actually served a whooping 56% 1st serve so I don't know where your talk is coming from with nadal serving well. The difference was nadal 6 for 7 break points joker 3/7, joker had his opportunities he will have them again he just needs to capitalize. I am not a novak fan as I have started before it was devastating watching my guy federer lose to the punk in 3 sets today
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we will see, I won't talk about a match on a different surface where joker won really no argument there novak won and was better under the pressure, I am throwing out the the first clay match. The last one was very even, nadal actually served a whooping 56% 1st serve so I don't know where your talk is coming from with nadal serving well. The difference was nadal 6 for 7 break points joker 3/7, joker had his opportunities he will have them again he just needs to capitalize. I am not a novak fan as I have started before it was devastating watching my guy federer lose to the punk in 3 sets today
you have to bring atleast some numbers to your argument otherwise just sounds silly if we did analyse aussie open, novak had 20 break point chances as opposed to 6,, so I am very confused as to how nadal had more opportunities it was shocking he took it to 5 sets, I thought Novak shouldve ended it in 4
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you have to bring atleast some numbers to your argument otherwise just sounds silly if we did analyse aussie open, novak had 20 break point chances as opposed to 6,, so I am very confused as to how nadal had more opportunities it was shocking he took it to 5 sets, I thought Novak shouldve ended it in 4
we will see, I won't talk about a match on a different surface where joker won really no argument there novak won and was better under the pressure, I am throwing out the the first clay match. The last one was very even, nadal actually served a whooping 56% 1st serve so I don't know where your talk is coming from with nadal serving well. The difference was nadal 6 for 7 break points joker 3/7, joker had his opportunities he will have them again he just needs to capitalize. I am not a novak fan as I have started before it was devastating watching my guy federer lose to the punk in 3 sets today
The only guy on tour with a winning record against Fed in multiple grand slams, is RAFA. Rafa is Fed's kryptonite. he has owned fed at the French, beaten him at Wimbledon, and The Aussie Open. beating the great Federer on grass and concrete, made Rafa THE MAN.
deep down inside, you resent Rafa for taking down your boy.
i can see this very easily. you rarely, if ever, give credit to Rafa.
go give away your money. you're a nice dude, but you're no different than other biased sports fans and bettors. you cannot see things objectively.
when Djoko wins, he earned it. When Rafa wins, "it was an easy road" or the play between Djoko and Rafa was "even."
you don't even realize what you sound like and what you're saying.
go bet Djoko with tons of money on sunday, and you'll get the tennis betting lesson you deserve
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Quote Originally Posted by cowboys173418:
we will see, I won't talk about a match on a different surface where joker won really no argument there novak won and was better under the pressure, I am throwing out the the first clay match. The last one was very even, nadal actually served a whooping 56% 1st serve so I don't know where your talk is coming from with nadal serving well. The difference was nadal 6 for 7 break points joker 3/7, joker had his opportunities he will have them again he just needs to capitalize. I am not a novak fan as I have started before it was devastating watching my guy federer lose to the punk in 3 sets today
The only guy on tour with a winning record against Fed in multiple grand slams, is RAFA. Rafa is Fed's kryptonite. he has owned fed at the French, beaten him at Wimbledon, and The Aussie Open. beating the great Federer on grass and concrete, made Rafa THE MAN.
deep down inside, you resent Rafa for taking down your boy.
i can see this very easily. you rarely, if ever, give credit to Rafa.
go give away your money. you're a nice dude, but you're no different than other biased sports fans and bettors. you cannot see things objectively.
when Djoko wins, he earned it. When Rafa wins, "it was an easy road" or the play between Djoko and Rafa was "even."
you don't even realize what you sound like and what you're saying.
go bet Djoko with tons of money on sunday, and you'll get the tennis betting lesson you deserve
what in the world are you talking about? I think Nadal is the greatest clay court player ever, there is nothing biased about my opinion. I just think Novak is mentally on another level right now then any other player. Nadal hasn't won a mentally tough 5 setter in a long time. I think when he faces novak he trys to serve bigger bc of novaks return ability and therefore his percentage goes down we will see I think the odds are too big just based on Nadal's history. He has looked great this tourny yes thats fine he hasn't played anyone except the two Spaniards and we know how spanish players idolize him and go into match already thinking defeat
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what in the world are you talking about? I think Nadal is the greatest clay court player ever, there is nothing biased about my opinion. I just think Novak is mentally on another level right now then any other player. Nadal hasn't won a mentally tough 5 setter in a long time. I think when he faces novak he trys to serve bigger bc of novaks return ability and therefore his percentage goes down we will see I think the odds are too big just based on Nadal's history. He has looked great this tourny yes thats fine he hasn't played anyone except the two Spaniards and we know how spanish players idolize him and go into match already thinking defeat
i recommend to to anyone who is betting this match if you get espn3, they still have the last final on replay novak vs nadal on clay, you can watch the match for yourself it was very close joker played terrible missed a bunch of shots he never misses like easy overhands, definitely worth watching if you are going to bet this and haven't seen the match
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i recommend to to anyone who is betting this match if you get espn3, they still have the last final on replay novak vs nadal on clay, you can watch the match for yourself it was very close joker played terrible missed a bunch of shots he never misses like easy overhands, definitely worth watching if you are going to bet this and haven't seen the match
i recommend to to anyone who is betting this match if you get espn3, they still have the last final on replay novak vs nadal on clay, you can watch the match for yourself it was very close joker played terrible missed a bunch of shots he never misses like easy overhands, definitely worth watching if you are going to bet this and haven't seen the match
yea, and i'm sure all those times that djoker beat rafa last year, rafa played his absolute best tennis, never missed a bunch of shots he never misses like easy overheads, etc.
did you ever think that maybe rafa's adjustments had something to do with it. do you think every time djoker wins it's because he was just better than the other guy's best, and every time he loses it's because he gave it away? that the other guy had nothing to do with it? how about some excuse for when Fed beat Djoker last year in the french semis? do you think Joker played his best.
how about the point of the whole thing is to win, and rafa has won the last 2 between them. what excuses will you make for joker when he loses on sunday??
this is getting really old dude, and quite stupid
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Quote Originally Posted by cowboys173418:
i recommend to to anyone who is betting this match if you get espn3, they still have the last final on replay novak vs nadal on clay, you can watch the match for yourself it was very close joker played terrible missed a bunch of shots he never misses like easy overhands, definitely worth watching if you are going to bet this and haven't seen the match
yea, and i'm sure all those times that djoker beat rafa last year, rafa played his absolute best tennis, never missed a bunch of shots he never misses like easy overheads, etc.
did you ever think that maybe rafa's adjustments had something to do with it. do you think every time djoker wins it's because he was just better than the other guy's best, and every time he loses it's because he gave it away? that the other guy had nothing to do with it? how about some excuse for when Fed beat Djoker last year in the french semis? do you think Joker played his best.
how about the point of the whole thing is to win, and rafa has won the last 2 between them. what excuses will you make for joker when he loses on sunday??
Cowboys, i'm not trying to patronize you by saying you're a real nice dude, because i think you are....honestly. But this analysis of Rafa v Djoker by you is so biased. You find excuses for Djoker losing to Rafa but nothing for Rafa when he loses to Djoker. As if the poor play only flows one way, not the other.
I'm so frustrated that i don't think i care to post anymore on the topic!!
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Cowboys, i'm not trying to patronize you by saying you're a real nice dude, because i think you are....honestly. But this analysis of Rafa v Djoker by you is so biased. You find excuses for Djoker losing to Rafa but nothing for Rafa when he loses to Djoker. As if the poor play only flows one way, not the other.
I'm so frustrated that i don't think i care to post anymore on the topic!!
dont know why but reading gridirons posts make me just want to take the nearest living creature and put it in my blender so i dont have to stare at your awful posts and why the hell do u make a post than 2 minutes come back and write another one and then 4 minutes come back and write another one,u talk to urself and think people actually care and reading ur analysis of matches makes me want to drive a letter opener thru my eyes....oh so uve been watching nadal and joker closely play since they were 19 so we should believe everything that spouts out of those chubby finger tips right?
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dont know why but reading gridirons posts make me just want to take the nearest living creature and put it in my blender so i dont have to stare at your awful posts and why the hell do u make a post than 2 minutes come back and write another one and then 4 minutes come back and write another one,u talk to urself and think people actually care and reading ur analysis of matches makes me want to drive a letter opener thru my eyes....oh so uve been watching nadal and joker closely play since they were 19 so we should believe everything that spouts out of those chubby finger tips right?
trust me Trust me TRust me TRUst me TRUSt me TRUST me TRUST Me TRUST ME no one cares TRUST ME TRUST Me TRUST me TRUSt me TRUst me TRust me Trust me trust me
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