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    Would you play a 5 game chase system?

    JEFFTHEHAT
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    JEFFTHEHAT
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2013 - 5:45 PM ET #1

    If so how would you do it? 
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    If so how would you do it? 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2013 - 1:46 AM ET #2

    I like to eat, so no.
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    I like to eat, so no.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2013 - 11:29 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by bruin95:

    I like to eat, so no.

    Fair enough, but this system has never lost!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruin95:

    I like to eat, so no.

    Fair enough, but this system has never lost!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2013 - 12:56 PM ET #4

    Yet--you didn't finish your sentence. ALL SYSTEMS LOSE at one point-as far as back tested: I can go back and pick any sport and say that my system won over that time period. This is not a discussion when it comes to systems, it is a mathematical fact.  When human error is factored (ie sports are people playing against people) you can uncover statistical advantages or variances but never guarantee an outcome (like 1 win in five games).  Again, not trying to argue with you but ANYONE with a rudimentary understanding of statistics and probability will tell you (barring outright cheating by players or officials) nothing is a certainty.  So, no, I would never play a chase system.
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    Yet--you didn't finish your sentence. ALL SYSTEMS LOSE at one point-as far as back tested: I can go back and pick any sport and say that my system won over that time period. This is not a discussion when it comes to systems, it is a mathematical fact.  When human error is factored (ie sports are people playing against people) you can uncover statistical advantages or variances but never guarantee an outcome (like 1 win in five games).  Again, not trying to argue with you but ANYONE with a rudimentary understanding of statistics and probability will tell you (barring outright cheating by players or officials) nothing is a certainty.  So, no, I would never play a chase system.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2013 - 1:58 PM ET #5

    I agree with you Azranger - but one thing that intrigues me and I'm not math guy in any way, is I read an article - cant remember by who - but the thing you have to remember about any type of betting is it based over time any system or model will l
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    I agree with you Azranger - but one thing that intrigues me and I'm not math guy in any way, is I read an article - cant remember by who - but the thing you have to remember about any type of betting is it based over time any system or model will l
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2013 - 2:06 PM ET #6

    I agree with you Azranger - but one thing that intrigues me and I'm not math guy in any way, is I read an article - cant remember by who - but the thing you have to remember about any type of betting is it is based over time and any system or model will lose over time unless you have a positive EV that overcomes the vig. However, if you think of sports betting as a closed loop meaning a finite number of bets - I think systems can be profitable. I could be wrong but it makes sense to me

    For example - lets say over 50,000 games a model is break even. You might say that model is not profitable - but what is it would take you 2 lifetimes to bet 50,000 games using that model. So really as long as your system is profitable over the last 10 years can you really say eventually it will lose - sure it will but will you be alive when that happens.
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    I agree with you Azranger - but one thing that intrigues me and I'm not math guy in any way, is I read an article - cant remember by who - but the thing you have to remember about any type of betting is it is based over time and any system or model will lose over time unless you have a positive EV that overcomes the vig. However, if you think of sports betting as a closed loop meaning a finite number of bets - I think systems can be profitable. I could be wrong but it makes sense to me

    For example - lets say over 50,000 games a model is break even. You might say that model is not profitable - but what is it would take you 2 lifetimes to bet 50,000 games using that model. So really as long as your system is profitable over the last 10 years can you really say eventually it will lose - sure it will but will you be alive when that happens.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2013 - 3:44 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by azranger:

    Yet--you didn't finish your sentence. ALL SYSTEMS LOSE at one point-as far as back tested: I can go back and pick any sport and say that my system won over that time period. This is not a discussion when it comes to systems, it is a mathematical fact.  When human error is factored (ie sports are people playing against people) you can uncover statistical advantages or variances but never guarantee an outcome (like 1 win in five games).  Again, not trying to argue with you but ANYONE with a rudimentary understanding of statistics and probability will tell you (barring outright cheating by players or officials) nothing is a certainty.  So, no, I would never play a chase system.

    Thx for your opinion that's what makes the world go around a difference in opinions. I do agree that YES this system has a small probability of losing but even if it does the system(s) will always make money. I can almost with a 100% guarantee say that playing to win 1unit per game for a season NO handicapper I know can win more units in a season than using one or a combination of systems used here,especially my all DOG chase where your exposure is way less than most. Good luck with your picks sir and may we all win! 
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    Quote Originally Posted by azranger:

    Yet--you didn't finish your sentence. ALL SYSTEMS LOSE at one point-as far as back tested: I can go back and pick any sport and say that my system won over that time period. This is not a discussion when it comes to systems, it is a mathematical fact.  When human error is factored (ie sports are people playing against people) you can uncover statistical advantages or variances but never guarantee an outcome (like 1 win in five games).  Again, not trying to argue with you but ANYONE with a rudimentary understanding of statistics and probability will tell you (barring outright cheating by players or officials) nothing is a certainty.  So, no, I would never play a chase system.

    Thx for your opinion that's what makes the world go around a difference in opinions. I do agree that YES this system has a small probability of losing but even if it does the system(s) will always make money. I can almost with a 100% guarantee say that playing to win 1unit per game for a season NO handicapper I know can win more units in a season than using one or a combination of systems used here,especially my all DOG chase where your exposure is way less than most. Good luck with your picks sir and may we all win! 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2013 - 6:11 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by JEFFTHEHAT:

    If so how would you do it? 

    I would look at the gm 4 and gm 5 losses and if they are minimal and the system doesn't have a ton of juice I would run it with labby line(s).  Labby kicks the garbage out of martingale everytime...much better to grind away and accept/plan for inevitable losses rather than try to find the perfect system.  Just my 2 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JEFFTHEHAT:

    If so how would you do it? 

    I would look at the gm 4 and gm 5 losses and if they are minimal and the system doesn't have a ton of juice I would run it with labby line(s).  Labby kicks the garbage out of martingale everytime...much better to grind away and accept/plan for inevitable losses rather than try to find the perfect system.  Just my 2 cents.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2013 - 3:11 AM ET #9

    I would play a 5 game chase with a separate unit size in mind. If my normal unit size is $100 I would lower it to $30 for plays on such a system which would increase the amount of units I have in the bank.

    Yes, I would not win much money, but if the system is 100% over many years my risk is minimal if it happens to fail once I try to use it.

    Little money is still money.
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    I would play a 5 game chase with a separate unit size in mind. If my normal unit size is $100 I would lower it to $30 for plays on such a system which would increase the amount of units I have in the bank.

    Yes, I would not win much money, but if the system is 100% over many years my risk is minimal if it happens to fail once I try to use it.

    Little money is still money.
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2013 - 3:12 AM ET #10

    I take it your working on a 5 game chase system Jeff
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    I take it your working on a 5 game chase system Jeff
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