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    WHY JM's SYSTEM IS GARBAGE AND WILL BREAK YOU!!!!

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    3WIZARDOFODDS
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2009 - 2:13 PM ET #1

    Here is another problem no one seems to be accounting for THE PUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    IF YOU BET 1700 (3 PT TAX) on the first game and then you bet 3900 (2000+1400 3PT TAX+500 to make a profit) and it losses you are now DOWN 5600 . SO IF THE C GAME PUSHES THEN THE SERIES IS A LOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YOU ARE STILL DOWN $5600 now multiply this by the 7 or 8 pushes a year and you are down either $39200 or 44800.  I use 1000 a unit for effect.  
    So if you get $1000 per series and your system has 1 loss and 8 pushes you r in an even worse position because you lose the C-bet money as well which would be an additional series loss of $6600 1700+3400+500(profit bet)+5600+(1000 to make up the last 500 profit bet that lost + 500) for a grand total of 11200 Just for THAT SERIES+39200 or 44800 depending on 7 or 8 pushes.

    This is a total of 11200+39200 or at worst + 44800=$50400 or $56000

    If you make 1000 a bet you have to win 57 series without a push or a loss or YOU LOSE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A PUSH IS A LOSS WHEN YOU ARE CHASING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ALL IT DOES IS SAVE YOUR ASS FOR THE LAST CHASE BET BUT IT DOES NOT WIN BACK THE A & B BET LOSSES!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THE SYSTEM IS TRASH UNLESS YOU MITIGATE THIS BY ONLY PLAYING GAMES WITH A HOOK AND EVEN THEN ONCE YOU PLAY HIS SYSTEM YOU WILL GET DIFFERENT LINES FROM EVERYONE ELSE AS THE BOOKS ALL EITHER ARE "WORKING" WITH JM AND THUS MARK YOUR ACCOUNT. THEREBY MAKING YOU PAY ESSENTIALLY 70 JUICE JUST TO GET THE GAME BACK AT THE REAL LINE OR +1 OR THEY LIMIT YOU AND YOU GET KILLED.
    THE LINES FOR YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE HIGHER ONCE THEY REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. SO YOU ARE PAYING FOR POINTS THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING BECAUSE YOUR LINE IS DIFFERENT FROM MY LINE. (BECAUSE) I DON'T PLAY THAT SYSTEM SO I GET BETTER LINES THAN YOU.

    STOP BEING SO DAMN OBVIOUS WITH YOUR SYSTEMS AND TRY HANDICAPPING A LITTLE AND YOU WILL PROFIT.

    USING A SYSTEM AND THEN PUTTING YOUR MONEY IN AN OFFSHORE ACCOUNT WITH A SPECIAL "JM PROMO CODE"
    IS JUST FUCKING STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    IF THEY HAVE A CODE FOR HIS GUYS AND GALS THEN THEY KNOW WHAT HE DOES AND HOW TO BEAT IT.

    YOU ARE THE SUCKERS. HE IS RICH AND GETTING PAID WHILE THEY LINE FUCK YOU TO MAKE HIS SYSTEM UNPLAYABLE FOR YOU.

    HE GETS A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR LOSSES AND DEPOSITS.

    TOO MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS!

    CAVEAT EMPTOR

    JM+PROMO CODE+OFFSHORE OR JM+OFFSHORE+V.1/2/OR3= 4U AND 4 JM!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Here is another problem no one seems to be accounting for THE PUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    IF YOU BET 1700 (3 PT TAX) on the first game and then you bet 3900 (2000+1400 3PT TAX+500 to make a profit) and it losses you are now DOWN 5600 . SO IF THE C GAME PUSHES THEN THE SERIES IS A LOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YOU ARE STILL DOWN $5600 now multiply this by the 7 or 8 pushes a year and you are down either $39200 or 44800.  I use 1000 a unit for effect.  
    So if you get $1000 per series and your system has 1 loss and 8 pushes you r in an even worse position because you lose the C-bet money as well which would be an additional series loss of $6600 1700+3400+500(profit bet)+5600+(1000 to make up the last 500 profit bet that lost + 500) for a grand total of 11200 Just for THAT SERIES+39200 or 44800 depending on 7 or 8 pushes.

    This is a total of 11200+39200 or at worst + 44800=$50400 or $56000

    If you make 1000 a bet you have to win 57 series without a push or a loss or YOU LOSE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A PUSH IS A LOSS WHEN YOU ARE CHASING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ALL IT DOES IS SAVE YOUR ASS FOR THE LAST CHASE BET BUT IT DOES NOT WIN BACK THE A & B BET LOSSES!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THE SYSTEM IS TRASH UNLESS YOU MITIGATE THIS BY ONLY PLAYING GAMES WITH A HOOK AND EVEN THEN ONCE YOU PLAY HIS SYSTEM YOU WILL GET DIFFERENT LINES FROM EVERYONE ELSE AS THE BOOKS ALL EITHER ARE "WORKING" WITH JM AND THUS MARK YOUR ACCOUNT. THEREBY MAKING YOU PAY ESSENTIALLY 70 JUICE JUST TO GET THE GAME BACK AT THE REAL LINE OR +1 OR THEY LIMIT YOU AND YOU GET KILLED.
    THE LINES FOR YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE HIGHER ONCE THEY REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. SO YOU ARE PAYING FOR POINTS THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING BECAUSE YOUR LINE IS DIFFERENT FROM MY LINE. (BECAUSE) I DON'T PLAY THAT SYSTEM SO I GET BETTER LINES THAN YOU.

    STOP BEING SO DAMN OBVIOUS WITH YOUR SYSTEMS AND TRY HANDICAPPING A LITTLE AND YOU WILL PROFIT.

    USING A SYSTEM AND THEN PUTTING YOUR MONEY IN AN OFFSHORE ACCOUNT WITH A SPECIAL "JM PROMO CODE"
    IS JUST FUCKING STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    IF THEY HAVE A CODE FOR HIS GUYS AND GALS THEN THEY KNOW WHAT HE DOES AND HOW TO BEAT IT.

    YOU ARE THE SUCKERS. HE IS RICH AND GETTING PAID WHILE THEY LINE FUCK YOU TO MAKE HIS SYSTEM UNPLAYABLE FOR YOU.

    HE GETS A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR LOSSES AND DEPOSITS.

    TOO MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS!

    CAVEAT EMPTOR

    JM+PROMO CODE+OFFSHORE OR JM+OFFSHORE+V.1/2/OR3= 4U AND 4 JM!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2009 - 2:20 PM ET #2

    I agree with you. No chase system can be profitable in the long run.
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    I agree with you. No chase system can be profitable in the long run.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2009 - 2:20 PM ET #3

    I agree with you. No chase system can work in the long run.
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    I agree with you. No chase system can work in the long run.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2009 - 3:05 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by scotty4luck:

    I agree with you. No chase system can work in the long run.




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    I agree with you. No chase system can work in the long run.




     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2009 - 12:37 PM ET #5

    so don't chase it. his system still wins a lion's share of the games even if you play them straight up. 
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    so don't chase it. his system still wins a lion's share of the games even if you play them straight up. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2009 - 1:47 PM ET #6

    Totally agree with telling offshore accounts about JM system...I called it on them and they got all mad.  

    System does work...I have hit 88 "plays" in a row.  About 4 have gone to game C.   I agree playing them straight up would be profitbable as well.  about 10-20% actually need the extra points in GAME A, B, or C.

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    Totally agree with telling offshore accounts about JM system...I called it on them and they got all mad.  

    System does work...I have hit 88 "plays" in a row.  About 4 have gone to game C.   I agree playing them straight up would be profitbable as well.  about 10-20% actually need the extra points in GAME A, B, or C.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2009 - 5:59 PM ET #7

    System works.....the JM haters seem to get pissed because they have neither the discipline nor the bankroll to play it....I love it......has made me a ton of money. 

    Wizard of Odds..........Enjoy your losses while trying to handicap games which are equivalent to trying to handicap the flip of a coin.....
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    System works.....the JM haters seem to get pissed because they have neither the discipline nor the bankroll to play it....I love it......has made me a ton of money. 

    Wizard of Odds..........Enjoy your losses while trying to handicap games which are equivalent to trying to handicap the flip of a coin.....
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2009 - 11:48 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by scotty4luck:

    I agree with you. No chase system can work in the long run.



       ..................
    Yeah and the earth is flat too
    My bankroll is looking real nice over the last 2 years with a good amount of my profits coming from chases so that bucks your statement
    Dude..............
    Proper money management accompanied with a solid chase system will always profit in the long run
    Its all in the  # 's by manipulating the odds of winning in our favor  through a keen MM according to odds being played not just for one game or a series but for through out the whole season
    Units are units no matter how we get 'em
    Hatorade.............
    Doesn't do a body good
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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty4luck:

    I agree with you. No chase system can work in the long run.



       ..................
    Yeah and the earth is flat too
    My bankroll is looking real nice over the last 2 years with a good amount of my profits coming from chases so that bucks your statement
    Dude..............
    Proper money management accompanied with a solid chase system will always profit in the long run
    Its all in the  # 's by manipulating the odds of winning in our favor  through a keen MM according to odds being played not just for one game or a series but for through out the whole season
    Units are units no matter how we get 'em
    Hatorade.............
    Doesn't do a body good
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2009 - 12:09 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMax:




       ..................
    Yeah and the earth is flat too
    My bankroll is looking real nice over the last 2 years with a good amount of my profits coming from chases so that bucks your statement
    Dude..............
    Proper money management accompanied with a solid chase system will always profit in the long run
    Its all in the  # 's by manipulating the odds of winning in our favor  through a keen MM according to odds being played not just for one game or a series but for through out the whole season
    Units are units no matter how we get 'em
    Hatorade.............
    Doesn't do a body good




    Max is a straight up gangster.
    I agree that the statement is wrong.
    Not sure about how I feel about JM's systems though...but the point you bring up on the push is a very valid one.
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       ..................
    Yeah and the earth is flat too
    My bankroll is looking real nice over the last 2 years with a good amount of my profits coming from chases so that bucks your statement
    Dude..............
    Proper money management accompanied with a solid chase system will always profit in the long run
    Its all in the  # 's by manipulating the odds of winning in our favor  through a keen MM according to odds being played not just for one game or a series but for through out the whole season
    Units are units no matter how we get 'em
    Hatorade.............
    Doesn't do a body good




    Max is a straight up gangster.
    I agree that the statement is wrong.
    Not sure about how I feel about JM's systems though...but the point you bring up on the push is a very valid one.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2009 - 11:22 AM ET #10

    One way to save yourself a push is to buy 1/2 pt. It is worth it in the long run
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    One way to save yourself a push is to buy 1/2 pt. It is worth it in the long run
     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2009 - 3:46 AM ET #11

    HA HA HA HA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 


    I MADE A LOT WITH JM SYSTEM! ! ! ! !
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    HA HA HA HA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 


    I MADE A LOT WITH JM SYSTEM! ! ! ! !
     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2009 - 6:42 PM ET #12

    sounds like you lost your entire  bankroll on a "C" game...
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    sounds like you lost your entire  bankroll on a "C" game...
     
     
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    Something is obviously working if books (betjm) adjust buying 3pts from -170ish to -225ish. Not to mention thegreek pullying 3pt buys completly along the lines of many other books/casinos.

    On the other hand, the biggest flaw to JM systems is the MM.

    Master a good MM for your chase systems and you should make plenty of money in the long run and take many losses in the process.

    GMSI

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    Something is obviously working if books (betjm) adjust buying 3pts from -170ish to -225ish. Not to mention thegreek pullying 3pt buys completly along the lines of many other books/casinos.

    On the other hand, the biggest flaw to JM systems is the MM.

    Master a good MM for your chase systems and you should make plenty of money in the long run and take many losses in the process.

    GMSI

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