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    Sabermetrics Calculations in Excel...Anyone? Excel Guru's?

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    Does anyone have experience with pulling stats off the internet into Excel through a web query and then setting up the excel file to perform calculations based on the imported statistics.  My main goal would be to calculate Base Runs and Runs Created (sabermetrics)  This would save lots of time instead of having to perform the calculation manually.  I personally don't have that kind of time.  Is this possible at all or am I barking up the wrong tree.

    Maybe we can start a brainstorming session for anyone interested.  Certainly I'm not the only one.

    Any insight on this topic would be benificial.

    Thanks in advance.

     

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    Does anyone have experience with pulling stats off the internet into Excel through a web query and then setting up the excel file to perform calculations based on the imported statistics.  My main goal would be to calculate Base Runs and Runs Created (sabermetrics)  This would save lots of time instead of having to perform the calculation manually.  I personally don't have that kind of time.  Is this possible at all or am I barking up the wrong tree.

    Maybe we can start a brainstorming session for anyone interested.  Certainly I'm not the only one.

    Any insight on this topic would be benificial.

    Thanks in advance.

     

     
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    Oil..I looked into the feasibility of this..basically you need to import the data for every pitcher and every batter they faced - career stats - and the problem I see is it is not a set amount of fields...every time a pitcher faces a new batter, the data imported grows by a row when using a web query...it is easy to get the data in, but manipulating after the point is where it becomes problematic - each new batter pushed the data down a row...

    I'm fairly adept at excel, ...I tried to automate this porcess last year, a tough task indeed. Even had my brother (software engineer) start writing a program that would rip the data off of the web and do all this automatically...still in process, but no where near being completed...If my brother has a hard time with it (20+ years experience), then it is a tough call indeed.

    Currently, I do a web query for each pitcher - career stats- against every hitter they have ever faced. I have one for each pitcher so I can get the data into Excel quickly. 

    I used to wait until 1 hour before game time when the lineups are posted - that way I would be 100% accurate of the hitters facing a certain pitcher - , I ended up cutting and pasting stats into a spreadsheet that contained all the formulas....I could do a game in about 5 minutes apeice using this methods...


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    Oil..I looked into the feasibility of this..basically you need to import the data for every pitcher and every batter they faced - career stats - and the problem I see is it is not a set amount of fields...every time a pitcher faces a new batter, the data imported grows by a row when using a web query...it is easy to get the data in, but manipulating after the point is where it becomes problematic - each new batter pushed the data down a row...

    I'm fairly adept at excel, ...I tried to automate this porcess last year, a tough task indeed. Even had my brother (software engineer) start writing a program that would rip the data off of the web and do all this automatically...still in process, but no where near being completed...If my brother has a hard time with it (20+ years experience), then it is a tough call indeed.

    Currently, I do a web query for each pitcher - career stats- against every hitter they have ever faced. I have one for each pitcher so I can get the data into Excel quickly. 

    I used to wait until 1 hour before game time when the lineups are posted - that way I would be 100% accurate of the hitters facing a certain pitcher - , I ended up cutting and pasting stats into a spreadsheet that contained all the formulas....I could do a game in about 5 minutes apeice using this methods...


     
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    Thanks so much for the insight MMAE. Unfortunately this looks way more involved than I have time for.  However the cutting and pasting of stats you mention at the end of your post seems more realistic and something I would consider pursuing.  Can you offer any tips on the best way to organize a spreadsheet to accomplish this or a good starting point.  5 minutes a piece, now that's

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    Thanks so much for the insight MMAE. Unfortunately this looks way more involved than I have time for.  However the cutting and pasting of stats you mention at the end of your post seems more realistic and something I would consider pursuing.  Can you offer any tips on the best way to organize a spreadsheet to accomplish this or a good starting point.  5 minutes a piece, now that's

     
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    Oil,,accept my friend request and PM me your email address...


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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2012 - 7:09 PM ET #6

    is this still of interest to you guys?
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    interests me.
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2012 - 10:27 PM ET #8

    I can do it in excel but would like to know how those stats would be used in handicapping - better yet how it would be incorporated in a system?
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    I can do it in excel but would like to know how those stats would be used in handicapping - better yet how it would be incorporated in a system?
     
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    where is the best place to pull statistics?
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2012 - 5:27 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by MeMyselfandEye:

    Oil..I looked into the feasibility of this..basically you need to import the data for every pitcher and every batter they faced - career stats - and the problem I see is it is not a set amount of fields...every time a pitcher faces a new batter, the data imported grows by a row when using a web query...it is easy to get the data in, but manipulating after the point is where it becomes problematic - each new batter pushed the data down a row...

    I'm fairly adept at excel, ...I tried to automate this porcess last year, a tough task indeed. Even had my brother (software engineer) start writing a program that would rip the data off of the web and do all this automatically...still in process, but no where near being completed...If my brother has a hard time with it (20+ years experience), then it is a tough call indeed.

    Currently, I do a web query for each pitcher - career stats- against every hitter they have ever faced. I have one for each pitcher so I can get the data into Excel quickly. 

    I used to wait until 1 hour before game time when the lineups are posted - that way I would be 100% accurate of the hitters facing a certain pitcher - , I ended up cutting and pasting stats into a spreadsheet that contained all the formulas....I could do a game in about 5 minutes apeice using this methods...


    Actually, it not that difficult and is defintely doable.  How I know?....because I did it.  I have a spreadsheet that automatically pulls the career stats of pitcher vs batter and automatically calculates Runs Created, Base Runs and Extrapolated runs for the lineup for each game.

    The problem I have is I'm not sure if i'm calculating Runs Created, Base Runs, and Extrapolated runs PER GAME correctly.  Right now i'm taking the result - dividing by total AB's and multiplying by 3 AB (min AB per game)

    The second problem is there are many games where a bunch of batters that never faced that pitcher ever - so not sure what to do about that - except for bypassing the game altogether.

     

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    Oil..I looked into the feasibility of this..basically you need to import the data for every pitcher and every batter they faced - career stats - and the problem I see is it is not a set amount of fields...every time a pitcher faces a new batter, the data imported grows by a row when using a web query...it is easy to get the data in, but manipulating after the point is where it becomes problematic - each new batter pushed the data down a row...

    I'm fairly adept at excel, ...I tried to automate this porcess last year, a tough task indeed. Even had my brother (software engineer) start writing a program that would rip the data off of the web and do all this automatically...still in process, but no where near being completed...If my brother has a hard time with it (20+ years experience), then it is a tough call indeed.

    Currently, I do a web query for each pitcher - career stats- against every hitter they have ever faced. I have one for each pitcher so I can get the data into Excel quickly. 

    I used to wait until 1 hour before game time when the lineups are posted - that way I would be 100% accurate of the hitters facing a certain pitcher - , I ended up cutting and pasting stats into a spreadsheet that contained all the formulas....I could do a game in about 5 minutes apeice using this methods...


    Actually, it not that difficult and is defintely doable.  How I know?....because I did it.  I have a spreadsheet that automatically pulls the career stats of pitcher vs batter and automatically calculates Runs Created, Base Runs and Extrapolated runs for the lineup for each game.

    The problem I have is I'm not sure if i'm calculating Runs Created, Base Runs, and Extrapolated runs PER GAME correctly.  Right now i'm taking the result - dividing by total AB's and multiplying by 3 AB (min AB per game)

    The second problem is there are many games where a bunch of batters that never faced that pitcher ever - so not sure what to do about that - except for bypassing the game altogether.

     

     
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    Oh an if you are interested in today's games - I have leans on the following - 10PM games lineups are not out yet

    Phi / Mia O8.5Phi ML

     

    Atl / Was O7.5Was ML 

    Cin / Hou O8.5

    Hou ML 

    Min / Cle O9

     

    Oak / KC O7.5

     

    KC ML

     

    Sea ML

     

    NYY / Det O8.5

     

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    Oh an if you are interested in today's games - I have leans on the following - 10PM games lineups are not out yet

    Phi / Mia O8.5Phi ML

     

    Atl / Was O7.5Was ML 

    Cin / Hou O8.5

    Hou ML 

    Min / Cle O9

     

    Oak / KC O7.5

     

    KC ML

     

    Sea ML

     

    NYY / Det O8.5

     

     
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    formatted correctly

    Phi / Mia O8.5
    Phi ML

    Atl / Was O7.5
    Was ML

    Cin / Hou O8.5
    Hou ML

    Min / Cle O9

    Oak / KC O7.5

    KC ML

    Sea ML

    NYY / Det O8.5

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    formatted correctly

    Phi / Mia O8.5
    Phi ML

    Atl / Was O7.5
    Was ML

    Cin / Hou O8.5
    Hou ML

    Min / Cle O9

    Oak / KC O7.5

    KC ML

    Sea ML

    NYY / Det O8.5

     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2012 - 7:30 PM ET #13

    added Tex / LAA over 8.5

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    added Tex / LAA over 8.5

     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2012 - 10:16 PM ET #14

    Degen, I know your pretty adept with excel. If I get a chance I'll run some #'s for tomorrows games. I only do first 5 innings so I'm only dealing with the starting pitcher. Are you able to calculate for 1st 5 only? If not theres no sense in me comparing #'s. Shoot me a pm if you want with your formula for base runs and I'll check it with mine
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    Degen, I know your pretty adept with excel. If I get a chance I'll run some #'s for tomorrows games. I only do first 5 innings so I'm only dealing with the starting pitcher. Are you able to calculate for 1st 5 only? If not theres no sense in me comparing #'s. Shoot me a pm if you want with your formula for base runs and I'll check it with mine
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2012 - 10:22 PM ET #15

    Degen,
    I only use games where there is a minimum of 7 batters in the line up with stats against the opposing pitcher
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    I only use games where there is a minimum of 7 batters in the line up with stats against the opposing pitcher
     
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    I also don't have a large sample size of results. Since this is a little time consuming I only do it sparatically. If it were automated that would be sweet
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2012 - 11:01 AM ET #17

    June 2 - Play No1

    BOS - 6.766

    TOR - 5.017

    Play on Bos (5innings) -115

    First post of the day Based on Base Runs 5 innings.

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    June 2 - Play No1

    BOS - 6.766

    TOR - 5.017

    Play on Bos (5innings) -115

    First post of the day Based on Base Runs 5 innings.

     
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    June 2 - Plays 2,3,4

    MIA - 3.688

    PHI - 1.712

    2 - Play on MIA (5inn) +137

    LAD - 3.963

    COL - 4.210

    3- Play on COL (5inn) -142

    4 - Play on LAD/COL U5.5 (5inn) +120

     

     

     

     

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    June 2 - Plays 2,3,4

    MIA - 3.688

    PHI - 1.712

    2 - Play on MIA (5inn) +137

    LAD - 3.963

    COL - 4.210

    3- Play on COL (5inn) -142

    4 - Play on LAD/COL U5.5 (5inn) +120

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2012 - 4:56 PM ET #19

    Oilcountry - I stil have a lot of work to to with the spreadsheet.  Right now it automatically pulls in career pitcher vs individual batter data.

    I still need to pull in

    career pitcher vs team data

    season pitcher vs team data

    I aslo need to work on my Runs Created / Base Runs formulas.

    Right now - I calculate per pitcher vs batter matchup and then add them, but I also need to add the stats for all the individual players on the team - and then run it through the formula.

    So I have some work to do - which i'm doing as we speak, but the heavy lifting is done.  All the data is pulled automatically into the spreadsheet - so what's left is the calculations.  I will PM you with more detail

     

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    Oilcountry - I stil have a lot of work to to with the spreadsheet.  Right now it automatically pulls in career pitcher vs individual batter data.

    I still need to pull in

    career pitcher vs team data

    season pitcher vs team data

    I aslo need to work on my Runs Created / Base Runs formulas.

    Right now - I calculate per pitcher vs batter matchup and then add them, but I also need to add the stats for all the individual players on the team - and then run it through the formula.

    So I have some work to do - which i'm doing as we speak, but the heavy lifting is done.  All the data is pulled automatically into the spreadsheet - so what's left is the calculations.  I will PM you with more detail

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2012 - 4:58 PM ET #20

    June 2 - Play 5

    CIN - 3.497

    HOU - 3.772

    5 - Play on HOU (5inn) +111

    As I entered my bet on the Under 4, it didn't accept as the line changed to 3.5, therefor no play on the total.

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    June 2 - Play 5

    CIN - 3.497

    HOU - 3.772

    5 - Play on HOU (5inn) +111

    As I entered my bet on the Under 4, it didn't accept as the line changed to 3.5, therefor no play on the total.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:

    Oilcountry - I stil have a lot of work to to with the spreadsheet.  Right now it automatically pulls in career pitcher vs individual batter data.

    I still need to pull in

    career pitcher vs team data

    season pitcher vs team data

    I aslo need to work on my Runs Created / Base Runs formulas.

    Right now - I calculate per pitcher vs batter matchup and then add them, but I also need to add the stats for all the individual players on the team - and then run it through the formula.

    So I have some work to do - which i'm doing as we speak, but the heavy lifting is done.  All the data is pulled automatically into the spreadsheet - so what's left is the calculations.  I will PM you with more detail

     

    Degen,

    I only use Career Pitcher vs. Individual data

    I await your PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by DegenGamble:

    Oilcountry - I stil have a lot of work to to with the spreadsheet.  Right now it automatically pulls in career pitcher vs individual batter data.

    I still need to pull in

    career pitcher vs team data

    season pitcher vs team data

    I aslo need to work on my Runs Created / Base Runs formulas.

    Right now - I calculate per pitcher vs batter matchup and then add them, but I also need to add the stats for all the individual players on the team - and then run it through the formula.

    So I have some work to do - which i'm doing as we speak, but the heavy lifting is done.  All the data is pulled automatically into the spreadsheet - so what's left is the calculations.  I will PM you with more detail

     

    Degen,

    I only use Career Pitcher vs. Individual data

    I await your PM

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2012 - 5:10 PM ET #22

    June 2 - Play 6

    ARI - 2.960

    SD - 4.646

    6 - Play on SD (5inn) -103

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    June 2 - Play 6

    ARI - 2.960

    SD - 4.646

    6 - Play on SD (5inn) -103

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2012 - 6:32 PM ET #23

    oilcountry - PM sent
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    June 2 - Play 7,8

    TEX - 4.486

    LAA - 5.053

    7 - Play on LAA (5inn) -101

    8 - Play on TEX/LAA O3.5 (5inn) -125

    That's it for today, lots of plays, missed SEA/CHW CHW would have been a play.

    I don't plan on posting plays, this was just for Degen to do a comparison or anyone else out there doing Base Runs.

    Peace!

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    June 2 - Play 7,8

    TEX - 4.486

    LAA - 5.053

    7 - Play on LAA (5inn) -101

    8 - Play on TEX/LAA O3.5 (5inn) -125

    That's it for today, lots of plays, missed SEA/CHW CHW would have been a play.

    I don't plan on posting plays, this was just for Degen to do a comparison or anyone else out there doing Base Runs.

    Peace!

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2012 - 8:52 PM ET #25

    Do you have a excel file for this system or are you working on one?
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    Do you have a excel file for this system or are you working on one?
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