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    Rayados3
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 1:14 PM ET #1

    Its simple

    1. Choose a Game that the opening lines is 10 or more runs

    2. Bet the favorite Runline and bet the dog Alternative Runline, Both Ways you make profit if the game is not decided by 1-Run

    Why??? because high total is unlikely to be decide by 1-Run

    MLB 2010

    April (19-5) 79.16%, May (Until May 18) (20-7) 74.07% Source: Scoresandodds.com

    I dont have the units but im gonna follow starting today i think its profitable more when dogs runline hits

    GL Guys

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    Its simple

    1. Choose a Game that the opening lines is 10 or more runs

    2. Bet the favorite Runline and bet the dog Alternative Runline, Both Ways you make profit if the game is not decided by 1-Run

    Why??? because high total is unlikely to be decide by 1-Run

    MLB 2010

    April (19-5) 79.16%, May (Until May 18) (20-7) 74.07% Source: Scoresandodds.com

    I dont have the units but im gonna follow starting today i think its profitable more when dogs runline hits

    GL Guys

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 1:19 PM ET #2

    betting this way and winning  79.16% = losing money ..
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    betting this way and winning  79.16% = losing money ..
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 1:27 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    betting this way and winning  79.16% = losing money ..

    We will see what happens its depends on the lines and how many dogs hits, anyway is a test

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    betting this way and winning  79.16% = losing money ..

    We will see what happens its depends on the lines and how many dogs hits, anyway is a test

     

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 1:31 PM ET #4

    Ytd (0-0)

    All Plays 1 Unit

    5/19 Play:

    1. Cubs -1.5 +202 & Phillies -1.5 +143

     

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    All Plays 1 Unit

    5/19 Play:

    1. Cubs -1.5 +202 & Phillies -1.5 +143

     

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 1:32 PM ET #5

    even if you get +140 on every win ..(which you will get rarely if at all) you are still losing money.. just trying to save you a few steps and dollars here, a few of us have done a lot of work on this..Have a look at Kkirby's thread on how he is running  a labouchere line using this same  run line system. .or my own 2 game chase thread..using this run line method..(which i intend to resume next week) ...good luck.
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    even if you get +140 on every win ..(which you will get rarely if at all) you are still losing money.. just trying to save you a few steps and dollars here, a few of us have done a lot of work on this..Have a look at Kkirby's thread on how he is running  a labouchere line using this same  run line system. .or my own 2 game chase thread..using this run line method..(which i intend to resume next week) ...good luck.
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 1:34 PM ET #6

    oh you are betting both ways on run lines..i see..as opposed to just the favorite ...good luck !
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    oh you are betting both ways on run lines..i see..as opposed to just the favorite ...good luck !
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 1:37 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    oh you are betting both ways on run lines..i see..as opposed to just the favorite ...good luck !

    What you were thinking?

    Thanks for the comments anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    oh you are betting both ways on run lines..i see..as opposed to just the favorite ...good luck !

    What you were thinking?

    Thanks for the comments anyway

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 1:41 PM ET #8

    Generally people who play this system, play the Dog to win on the ML , and the favorite to win by 2  .. therefore the only losing outcome is a Favorite win by exactly one run .. ( a dog win by 1 run is still a win)..
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    Generally people who play this system, play the Dog to win on the ML , and the favorite to win by 2  .. therefore the only losing outcome is a Favorite win by exactly one run .. ( a dog win by 1 run is still a win)..
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 1:45 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    Generally people who play this system, play the Dog to win on the ML , and the favorite to win by 2  .. therefore the only losing outcome is a Favorite win by exactly one run .. ( a dog win by 1 run is still a win)..

    Ok Ok

    Yes i know that but this system is different is has to be a high opening line 10 or more because that makes unlikely to be decided by 1 run and if the dogs hits pays generally more than +200

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    Generally people who play this system, play the Dog to win on the ML , and the favorite to win by 2  .. therefore the only losing outcome is a Favorite win by exactly one run .. ( a dog win by 1 run is still a win)..

    Ok Ok

    Yes i know that but this system is different is has to be a high opening line 10 or more because that makes unlikely to be decided by 1 run and if the dogs hits pays generally more than +200

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 2:44 PM ET #10

    I quickly crunched my existing numbers as to play on all dog on the RL as well ..and over the course of the season this is more unprofitable than the the traditional way .. as well ,you'd be interested to know that the opening line has little effect on 1 run games.. intuitively you would think that  games with less runs expected would have more 1 run games.. but the flip side of this is that games with more runs have that many more 1 run combinations... i.e a game with 7 runs only has 8 ways to be a 1 run game ( 1-0, 2-1, 3-2,4-3  each way )..whereas a game with 13 runs has 14 ways..based on last years numbers you would need over +200 on all dog wins ..and 150 on the fave wins  to just break even

    - I am not sure what level of testing you haave done, but on sportsdatabase.com  ..you can query 1 run games etc ..and do the math .. again, just trying to help ..cos i have spent many many hours running queries on these types of plays ..and bottom line is that they are just not profitable, unless you combine with some type of martingale, labouchere system... of course if you prove me wrong, thats a good thing !

     

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    I quickly crunched my existing numbers as to play on all dog on the RL as well ..and over the course of the season this is more unprofitable than the the traditional way .. as well ,you'd be interested to know that the opening line has little effect on 1 run games.. intuitively you would think that  games with less runs expected would have more 1 run games.. but the flip side of this is that games with more runs have that many more 1 run combinations... i.e a game with 7 runs only has 8 ways to be a 1 run game ( 1-0, 2-1, 3-2,4-3  each way )..whereas a game with 13 runs has 14 ways..based on last years numbers you would need over +200 on all dog wins ..and 150 on the fave wins  to just break even

    - I am not sure what level of testing you haave done, but on sportsdatabase.com  ..you can query 1 run games etc ..and do the math .. again, just trying to help ..cos i have spent many many hours running queries on these types of plays ..and bottom line is that they are just not profitable, unless you combine with some type of martingale, labouchere system... of course if you prove me wrong, thats a good thing !

     

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 3:20 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    even if you get +140 on every win ..(which you will get rarely if at all) you are still losing money.. just trying to save you a few steps and dollars here, a few of us have done a lot of work on this..Have a look at Kkirby's thread on how he is running  a labouchere line using this same  run line system. .or my own 2 game chase thread..using this run line method..(which i intend to resume next week) ...good luck.


    Can I get that link to Kkirby's thread?

    I saw "Anything but 1 by the fav" thread. i'm guessing that the other your talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    even if you get +140 on every win ..(which you will get rarely if at all) you are still losing money.. just trying to save you a few steps and dollars here, a few of us have done a lot of work on this..Have a look at Kkirby's thread on how he is running  a labouchere line using this same  run line system. .or my own 2 game chase thread..using this run line method..(which i intend to resume next week) ...good luck.


    Can I get that link to Kkirby's thread?

    I saw "Anything but 1 by the fav" thread. i'm guessing that the other your talking about.
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 3:30 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by SKiLLsSoLoN:



    Can I get that link to Kkirby's thread?

    I saw "Anything but 1 by the fav" thread. i'm guessing that the other your talking about.

    it is right below this one... "Don't chase......etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKiLLsSoLoN:



    Can I get that link to Kkirby's thread?

    I saw "Anything but 1 by the fav" thread. i'm guessing that the other your talking about.

    it is right below this one... "Don't chase......etc...

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 3:37 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    I quickly crunched my existing numbers as to play on all dog on the RL as well ..and over the course of the season this is more unprofitable than the the traditional way .. as well ,you'd be interested to know that the opening line has little effect on 1 run games.. intuitively you would think that  games with less runs expected would have more 1 run games.. but the flip side of this is that games with more runs have that many more 1 run combinations... i.e a game with 7 runs only has 8 ways to be a 1 run game ( 1-0, 2-1, 3-2,4-3  each way )..whereas a game with 13 runs has 14 ways..based on last years numbers you would need over +200 on all dog wins ..and 150 on the fave wins  to just break even

    - I am not sure what level of testing you haave done, but on sportsdatabase.com  ..you can query 1 run games etc ..and do the math .. again, just trying to help ..cos i have spent many many hours running queries on these types of plays ..and bottom line is that they are just not profitable, unless you combine with some type of martingale, labouchere system... of course if you prove me wrong, thats a good thing !

     

    Im Just saying that a high opening line 10 or more is more unlikely to decide by 1 run in the season this are hitting over 76.47% either way favs and dogs i dont have the numbers of the alternative runline  thats why i want to test it thats all, let it go and the time will tell us by the way im not trying to prove your are wrong im just testing something

    GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:

    I quickly crunched my existing numbers as to play on all dog on the RL as well ..and over the course of the season this is more unprofitable than the the traditional way .. as well ,you'd be interested to know that the opening line has little effect on 1 run games.. intuitively you would think that  games with less runs expected would have more 1 run games.. but the flip side of this is that games with more runs have that many more 1 run combinations... i.e a game with 7 runs only has 8 ways to be a 1 run game ( 1-0, 2-1, 3-2,4-3  each way )..whereas a game with 13 runs has 14 ways..based on last years numbers you would need over +200 on all dog wins ..and 150 on the fave wins  to just break even

    - I am not sure what level of testing you haave done, but on sportsdatabase.com  ..you can query 1 run games etc ..and do the math .. again, just trying to help ..cos i have spent many many hours running queries on these types of plays ..and bottom line is that they are just not profitable, unless you combine with some type of martingale, labouchere system... of course if you prove me wrong, thats a good thing !

     

    Im Just saying that a high opening line 10 or more is more unlikely to decide by 1 run in the season this are hitting over 76.47% either way favs and dogs i dont have the numbers of the alternative runline  thats why i want to test it thats all, let it go and the time will tell us by the way im not trying to prove your are wrong im just testing something

    GL

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 3:56 PM ET #14

    I am not a math guy, but how do you (neisly25) come up with the idea that a game with 13 runs has 14 ways to be one run? The idea here is that a high o/u total means the game should be high scoring and thus making the game less likely to be a one run game.  I think I understand your point, however you are missing the fact that a game with a high o/u total is more likely to not have a 1-0, 2-1, etc outcome.

    How many games does vegas set at 10 that ends in a 1-0 final? Yes it is within the realm of possibility, but you are more likely to see a game set at 7 to be a 1-0 outcome than a 10.  For example, if a game is set at a total of 10 and the game goes over with say 13 runs, then there is only 2 possibilities that you will lose. 7-6 the home team wins or 6-7 the away team wins. However, there is 12-1, 11-2, 10-3, 9-4, or 8-5. 5 outcomes for the away team winning and 5 outcomes for the away team.  That is a 10 to 2 chance of a win by playing both a RL Fave and Reverse line Dog

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    I am not a math guy, but how do you (neisly25) come up with the idea that a game with 13 runs has 14 ways to be one run? The idea here is that a high o/u total means the game should be high scoring and thus making the game less likely to be a one run game.  I think I understand your point, however you are missing the fact that a game with a high o/u total is more likely to not have a 1-0, 2-1, etc outcome.

    How many games does vegas set at 10 that ends in a 1-0 final? Yes it is within the realm of possibility, but you are more likely to see a game set at 7 to be a 1-0 outcome than a 10.  For example, if a game is set at a total of 10 and the game goes over with say 13 runs, then there is only 2 possibilities that you will lose. 7-6 the home team wins or 6-7 the away team wins. However, there is 12-1, 11-2, 10-3, 9-4, or 8-5. 5 outcomes for the away team winning and 5 outcomes for the away team.  That is a 10 to 2 chance of a win by playing both a RL Fave and Reverse line Dog

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2010 - 4:15 PM ET #15

    Record 2010 MLB

    April

    11 Dogs 9 Faves 5 Losses

    May Until 18

    9 Dogs 11 Faves 7 Losses

    Thats why i want to test it!

     

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    Record 2010 MLB

    April

    11 Dogs 9 Faves 5 Losses

    May Until 18

    9 Dogs 11 Faves 7 Losses

    Thats why i want to test it!

     

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 12:27 AM ET #16

    Good start.  People throw a lot of numbers around in this forum.  We tested 1 run games in Neilsy's thread and found 14% of the time the favorite wins by one run.  I read somewhere the dog wins by one run 11% but it may be a little higher.  Seems this season is going against historical numbers, hopefully it works out for you but the season may regress to the average seen over the last few seasons.
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    Good start.  People throw a lot of numbers around in this forum.  We tested 1 run games in Neilsy's thread and found 14% of the time the favorite wins by one run.  I read somewhere the dog wins by one run 11% but it may be a little higher.  Seems this season is going against historical numbers, hopefully it works out for you but the season may regress to the average seen over the last few seasons.
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 12:34 AM ET #17

    I knew I had looked at this before, this is what we came up with.  The percentages of 1 run games are lower with the higher o/u.

     

    626/2319 (27%) ended as a 1 run game in 2009

    Opening O/U                               Total games

    7-8.5 = 274, 43.8%                     964, 41.5%

    9 = 161,  25.7%                          547, 23.5%

    9.5 = 117, 18.7%                       448, 19.3%

    10= 40, 6.4%                            225, 9.7%

    10.5+= 34, 5.4                        135,5.8%         

    Looks like there may be a lower proportion of 1 run games in the higher run total games which intuitively makes sense but I dont know if this is statistically significant  

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    I knew I had looked at this before, this is what we came up with.  The percentages of 1 run games are lower with the higher o/u.

     

    626/2319 (27%) ended as a 1 run game in 2009

    Opening O/U                               Total games

    7-8.5 = 274, 43.8%                     964, 41.5%

    9 = 161,  25.7%                          547, 23.5%

    9.5 = 117, 18.7%                       448, 19.3%

    10= 40, 6.4%                            225, 9.7%

    10.5+= 34, 5.4                        135,5.8%         

    Looks like there may be a lower proportion of 1 run games in the higher run total games which intuitively makes sense but I dont know if this is statistically significant  

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 12:44 AM ET #18

    looking specifically at 10 and over there would be 74 one run games out of 360 games played with that line = 20.6%.  This seems to be in line with what you are seeing this year.  Assuming you lose 20 out of 100 bets and win 80/100 bets you should play games where both sides pay over +150 to be profitable.
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    looking specifically at 10 and over there would be 74 one run games out of 360 games played with that line = 20.6%.  This seems to be in line with what you are seeing this year.  Assuming you lose 20 out of 100 bets and win 80/100 bets you should play games where both sides pay over +150 to be profitable.
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 1:35 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    I knew I had looked at this before, this is what we came up with.  The percentages of 1 run games are lower with the higher o/u.

     

    626/2319 (27%) ended as a 1 run game in 2009

    Opening O/U                               Total games

    7-8.5 = 274, 43.8%                     964, 41.5%

    9 = 161,  25.7%                          547, 23.5%

    9.5 = 117, 18.7%                       448, 19.3%

    10= 40, 6.4%                            225, 9.7%

    10.5+= 34, 5.4                        135,5.8%         

    Looks like there may be a lower proportion of 1 run games in the higher run total games which intuitively makes sense but I dont know if this is statistically significant  

    Thanks for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    I knew I had looked at this before, this is what we came up with.  The percentages of 1 run games are lower with the higher o/u.

     

    626/2319 (27%) ended as a 1 run game in 2009

    Opening O/U                               Total games

    7-8.5 = 274, 43.8%                     964, 41.5%

    9 = 161,  25.7%                          547, 23.5%

    9.5 = 117, 18.7%                       448, 19.3%

    10= 40, 6.4%                            225, 9.7%

    10.5+= 34, 5.4                        135,5.8%         

    Looks like there may be a lower proportion of 1 run games in the higher run total games which intuitively makes sense but I dont know if this is statistically significant  

    Thanks for the info!

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 1:42 AM ET #20

    Ytd (1-0) 1.02 Units

    5/20 No Play

    5/19 Play:

    1. Cubs -1.5 +202 & Phillies -1.5 +143

     

     

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    Ytd (1-0) 1.02 Units

    5/20 No Play

    5/19 Play:

    1. Cubs -1.5 +202 & Phillies -1.5 +143

     

     

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 1:58 AM ET #21

    What US Books allow Alternative Runline??
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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 10:26 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by SKiLLsSoLoN:

    What US Books allow Alternative Runline??

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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 10:27 AM ET #23

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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 12:50 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by SKiLLsSoLoN:

    What US Books allow Alternative Runline??


    5Dimes - the best MLB sportsbook. Also offers Reduced Juice lines

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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 4:19 PM ET #25

    Not sure about the 10 OU filter.  But using this system on all plays  almost like clockwork, year after year.  Just too many 1 run games.
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    Not sure about the 10 OU filter.  But using this system on all plays  almost like clockwork, year after year.  Just too many 1 run games.
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