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    Over Under System when Spread 1/3 of Totals

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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 7:40 PM ET #1

    I know this has worked well this year for me in College Football.  went 10-2 this past week. 

    Can this system be applied?

    If so, tonight's game  Cincy @ Pitt would be a play

    Pitt -12   O/U = 34.5

    Thinking about pulling the trigger
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    I know this has worked well this year for me in College Football.  went 10-2 this past week. 

    Can this system be applied?

    If so, tonight's game  Cincy @ Pitt would be a play

    Pitt -12   O/U = 34.5

    Thinking about pulling the trigger
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2008 - 9:18 PM ET #2

    what is the system?

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    what is the system?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2008 - 12:10 AM ET #3

    ...wudda won the parlay with Fav & Over...
    ...lost the Dawg & Under...
     
    ....+1.2 Units
     
    have you back tested it in the NFL?
     
    any system like that with the NBA we can come up with...
     
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    ...wudda won the parlay with Fav & Over...
    ...lost the Dawg & Under...
     
    ....+1.2 Units
     
    have you back tested it in the NFL?
     
    any system like that with the NBA we can come up with...
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2008 - 11:10 AM ET #4

    ....9 games in NCAAFB today fall into this category...
     
    anyone playing them?
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    ....9 games in NCAAFB today fall into this category...
     
    anyone playing them?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2008 - 12:12 PM ET #5

    ...I guess not...
     
    the first 12ET parlay bets today would be...
     
    Ohio State -21 & Over 45
    Mich State +21 & Under 45
     
    ....let's see...
     
    ...another... Rutgers -19 Over 44
                      Army +19  Under 44......
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    ...I guess not...
     
    the first 12ET parlay bets today would be...
     
    Ohio State -21 & Over 45
    Mich State +21 & Under 45
     
    ....let's see...
     
    ...another... Rutgers -19 Over 44
                      Army +19  Under 44......
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2008 - 11:52 PM ET #6

    What book are you betting these at?
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    What book are you betting these at?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2008 - 9:22 AM ET #7

    I played all 9 games yesterday.  Went 7-2 yesterday, 10-2 last weekend.  This system was posted in the Systems and Strategies section.

    I couldn't find the original post

    I have a bookie.
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    I played all 9 games yesterday.  Went 7-2 yesterday, 10-2 last weekend.  This system was posted in the Systems and Strategies section.

    I couldn't find the original post

    I have a bookie.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2008 - 9:27 AM ET #8

    I have not tested for NFL or checked on stats.  Very rarely do you see the situation come up in the NFL. 

    I started using this system in Week 5 or 6 of the NCAA Football season. 

    54-24-2 YTD.  Very profitble for me. 

    The week before I started it, this system went 12-1 believe in College

    The books caught on and won't take the bets anymore from what I hear.  they took them last year
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    I have not tested for NFL or checked on stats.  Very rarely do you see the situation come up in the NFL. 

    I started using this system in Week 5 or 6 of the NCAA Football season. 

    54-24-2 YTD.  Very profitble for me. 

    The week before I started it, this system went 12-1 believe in College

    The books caught on and won't take the bets anymore from what I hear.  they took them last year
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2008 - 12:01 PM ET #9

    great job.....btw...
     
    .....well out of the games that have fallen into this betting category .....which side of the parlay was the "winning" side?  Maybe the FAV & OVER is a better bet and won more frequently than the DAWG & UNDER when the spread is 1/3 of the total....  Can you calculate that win/loss %?
     
     
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    great job.....btw...
     
    .....well out of the games that have fallen into this betting category .....which side of the parlay was the "winning" side?  Maybe the FAV & OVER is a better bet and won more frequently than the DAWG & UNDER when the spread is 1/3 of the total....  Can you calculate that win/loss %?
     
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2008 - 1:10 PM ET #10

    I looked at this past Saturday for the games that I figured fit into your "system"...
     
    9 games fit the "system"
     
    Fav & Overs won 5
    Dawgs & Unders won 2
    both lost......2
     
    if you bet $100 on all teams like your system described...
     
    #1.....for each play if you lost both games -$220
    if you won one parlay the you win $150
    ( $260- $110= $150)
    ...so you would have gone 7-2 and netted $610
    ($150 X 7= $1050-$440= $610)
     
    But now if the Bookie will not take the bet...then maybe if the past weeks are in the same win/loss % as last Saturday then that would yield a 55% win rate if you always bet the Fav & Over (5wins and 4 losses) but wudda still won... $310
    ($150 X 5= $750-$440= $310)
     
    ...but did the FAV & OVER always win more in the past weeks than the DAWG & UNDER???
     
     
    ....if that trend is still a winner then we could still win  despite the bookie not letting us bet both teams in the same game...
     
     
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    I looked at this past Saturday for the games that I figured fit into your "system"...
     
    9 games fit the "system"
     
    Fav & Overs won 5
    Dawgs & Unders won 2
    both lost......2
     
    if you bet $100 on all teams like your system described...
     
    #1.....for each play if you lost both games -$220
    if you won one parlay the you win $150
    ( $260- $110= $150)
    ...so you would have gone 7-2 and netted $610
    ($150 X 7= $1050-$440= $610)
     
    But now if the Bookie will not take the bet...then maybe if the past weeks are in the same win/loss % as last Saturday then that would yield a 55% win rate if you always bet the Fav & Over (5wins and 4 losses) but wudda still won... $310
    ($150 X 5= $750-$440= $310)
     
    ...but did the FAV & OVER always win more in the past weeks than the DAWG & UNDER???
     
     
    ....if that trend is still a winner then we could still win  despite the bookie not letting us bet both teams in the same game...
     
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2008 - 2:48 PM ET #11

    hey whitakp,

    take advantage of these while you can! not very many books will take  these plays. (correlated parlays)

    I use a local too, but he has smartened up, and I have yet to find an online book that will take this action. You're lucky man.
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    hey whitakp,

    take advantage of these while you can! not very many books will take  these plays. (correlated parlays)

    I use a local too, but he has smartened up, and I have yet to find an online book that will take this action. You're lucky man.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2008 - 9:28 PM ET #12

    tbRays...but if his past weeks show that the "FAV & OVER" bet wins at a positive rate  compared to the "DAWG & UNDER" with the parlay betting....
     
    ....it will still be  
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    tbRays...but if his past weeks show that the "FAV & OVER" bet wins at a positive rate  compared to the "DAWG & UNDER" with the parlay betting....
     
    ....it will still be  
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2008 - 10:08 PM ET #13

    doesn't matter most books still won't let you make these bets
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    doesn't matter most books still won't let you make these bets
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2008 - 11:43 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by tbRays:

    doesn't matter most books still won't let you make these bets

     

    Exactly, and if you find one Id keep it quiet. I know of one online book that will take it but to be honest I dont even wana say cuz then everyone will bombard it

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbRays:

    doesn't matter most books still won't let you make these bets

     

    Exactly, and if you find one Id keep it quiet. I know of one online book that will take it but to be honest I dont even wana say cuz then everyone will bombard it

     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 12:05 AM ET #15

    hey whit give me your bokies number. i have some savings i want to cash out and invest.


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    hey whit give me your bokies number. i have some savings i want to cash out and invest.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 10:13 PM ET #16

    I back tested it over the last month in NCAAFB...
     
    BAD...BAD....BAD...
     
    If you always parlayed $100 bet on the:
                FAV & OVER= $1590 loss
     
               DAWG & UNDER= $880 loss
     
    no winner here....
     
     
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    I back tested it over the last month in NCAAFB...
     
    BAD...BAD....BAD...
     
    If you always parlayed $100 bet on the:
                FAV & OVER= $1590 loss
     
               DAWG & UNDER= $880 loss
     
    no winner here....
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasman33:

    I back tested it over the last month in NCAAFB...
     
    BAD...BAD....BAD...
     
    If you always parlayed $100 bet on the:
                FAV & OVER= $1590 loss
     
               DAWG & UNDER= $880 loss
     
    no winner here....
     
     

     

    You must be calculating somthing wrong cuz theres no way its been a loser this year, NO WAY. So go back and do it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasman33:

    I back tested it over the last month in NCAAFB...
     
    BAD...BAD....BAD...
     
    If you always parlayed $100 bet on the:
                FAV & OVER= $1590 loss
     
               DAWG & UNDER= $880 loss
     
    no winner here....
     
     

     

    You must be calculating somthing wrong cuz theres no way its been a loser this year, NO WAY. So go back and do it again

     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 10:45 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by tbRays:

    hey whit give me your bokies number. i have some savings i want to cash out and invest.


     

    exactly, too bad is an online where u gotta send first.  wish I had like 20K to send and just unload next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbRays:

    hey whit give me your bokies number. i have some savings i want to cash out and invest.


     

    exactly, too bad is an online where u gotta send first.  wish I had like 20K to send and just unload next year

     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2008 - 10:54 PM ET #19

    ...hey chance...I back tested the last month stats for any winning trend...FAV &OVER vs DAWG & UNDER... if you could only bet one parlay with your bookie...get it?
     
    No Bookie will take both parlays in the same game if they know that they will lose.  So I was trying to evaluate a win trend ...there was none...
     
    I guess that if you had a bud that you could work with you both could make the Parlay bets one taking FAV & OVER and the other taking Dawgs & unders and you split the winnings equally every week...
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    ...hey chance...I back tested the last month stats for any winning trend...FAV &OVER vs DAWG & UNDER... if you could only bet one parlay with your bookie...get it?
     
    No Bookie will take both parlays in the same game if they know that they will lose.  So I was trying to evaluate a win trend ...there was none...
     
    I guess that if you had a bud that you could work with you both could make the Parlay bets one taking FAV & OVER and the other taking Dawgs & unders and you split the winnings equally every week...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2008 - 12:56 AM ET #20

    It is only profitable if you bet both sides.
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    It is only profitable if you bet both sides.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasman33:

    ...hey chance...I back tested the last month stats for any winning trend...FAV &OVER vs DAWG & UNDER... if you could only bet one parlay with your bookie...get it?
     
    No Bookie will take both parlays in the same game if they know that they will lose.  So I was trying to evaluate a win trend ...there was none...
     
    I guess that if you had a bud that you could work with you both could make the Parlay bets one taking FAV & OVER and the other taking Dawgs & unders and you split the winnings equally every week...

     

    my bad dude, sorry. I was like "what the fuck, this guy is talking about how great it is and now he's sayin its a loser!!! wtf!!!"

     

    My apologies brother,GL

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasman33:

    ...hey chance...I back tested the last month stats for any winning trend...FAV &OVER vs DAWG & UNDER... if you could only bet one parlay with your bookie...get it?
     
    No Bookie will take both parlays in the same game if they know that they will lose.  So I was trying to evaluate a win trend ...there was none...
     
    I guess that if you had a bud that you could work with you both could make the Parlay bets one taking FAV & OVER and the other taking Dawgs & unders and you split the winnings equally every week...

     

    my bad dude, sorry. I was like "what the fuck, this guy is talking about how great it is and now he's sayin its a loser!!! wtf!!!"

     

    My apologies brother,GL

     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2008 - 7:06 AM ET #22

    ...no problem...
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2008 - 11:07 AM ET #23

    OK...if you could bet both sides of the parlay....
     
    I back tracked the last 4 weeks NCAAFB games...
     
    Nov 1...3-8....-$430
    Nov 8...7-8....+$280
    Nov 15..6-8...+$20
    Nov 22...5-4...+310
     
    ...grand total of + $180 for the month...whupeeee!!!
     
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    OK...if you could bet both sides of the parlay....
     
    I back tracked the last 4 weeks NCAAFB games...
     
    Nov 1...3-8....-$430
    Nov 8...7-8....+$280
    Nov 15..6-8...+$20
    Nov 22...5-4...+310
     
    ...grand total of + $180 for the month...whupeeee!!!
     
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2008 - 3:27 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by tbRays:

    hey whit give me your bokies number. i have some savings i want to cash out and invest.


     

    go to my space and drop me an email, I'll tell you. I just dont wanna plaster it on the board

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbRays:

    hey whit give me your bokies number. i have some savings i want to cash out and invest.


     

    go to my space and drop me an email, I'll tell you. I just dont wanna plaster it on the board

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