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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2009 - 6:51 PM ET #1

    First games are on Oct 1st - 6th

    San Jose -172

    Montreal RL + -255

    Also planning to follow the system using the modified Labouchere as posted originally by Kong. Will START betting to WIN 1.5% of my bankroll.   

    GL to all and lets kill the books this season.
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    First games are on Oct 1st - 6th

    San Jose -172

    Montreal RL + -255

    Also planning to follow the system using the modified Labouchere as posted originally by Kong. Will START betting to WIN 1.5% of my bankroll.   

    GL to all and lets kill the books this season.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2009 - 6:57 PM ET #2

    Isn't one of the filters NOT to play the first series of the season?
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2009 - 8:29 PM ET #3

    It is, but I will personally disregard that filter. I think this would a wasted opportunity. Let's see how it turns out. I will be keeping a record of how much I am up after a total of some games.
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    It is, but I will personally disregard that filter. I think this would a wasted opportunity. Let's see how it turns out. I will be keeping a record of how much I am up after a total of some games.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2009 - 8:46 PM ET #4

    None of those fit the "system".  All those games are same conference games.
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    None of those fit the "system".  All those games are same conference games.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2009 - 8:55 PM ET #5

    You will end up playing like 300 series and have 5+ chase series going on at once pretty much the whole season if you wager on every single 3 game road trip.  Plus same conference road trips are filtered out of the "system" for  a reason.
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    You will end up playing like 300 series and have 5+ chase series going on at once pretty much the whole season if you wager on every single 3 game road trip.  Plus same conference road trips are filtered out of the "system" for  a reason.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2009 - 10:02 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by KissAPistol:

    You will end up playing like 300 series and have 5+ chase series going on at once pretty much the whole season if you wager on every single 3 game road trip.  Plus same conference road trips are filtered out of the "system" for  a reason.
    Dude, for hockey we dont worry about out of conference play, that only pretains to nba, but NOT nhl.  Hope this helps you, also there are 171 (3 game chase) games this year for nhl. gl
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    Quote Originally Posted by KissAPistol:

    You will end up playing like 300 series and have 5+ chase series going on at once pretty much the whole season if you wager on every single 3 game road trip.  Plus same conference road trips are filtered out of the "system" for  a reason.
    Dude, for hockey we dont worry about out of conference play, that only pretains to nba, but NOT nhl.  Hope this helps you, also there are 171 (3 game chase) games this year for nhl. gl
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2009 - 9:21 AM ET #7

    Where can I find Kongs filters?
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2009 - 10:31 AM ET #8

    clb is playing on oct 5
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    clb is playing on oct 5
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2009 - 10:35 AM ET #9

    According to the system we ARE NOT supposed to play the 1st 3 game road series of the schedule for each team.
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2009 - 10:38 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainT:

    It is, but I will personally disregard that filter. I think this would a wasted opportunity. Let's see how it turns out. I will be keeping a record of how much I am up after a total of some games.


    I disagree.  The whole point of the system is to capitalize on the idea that a team is more jacked up and ready to go the first few games of a long road trip.  I think for the opening games of the schedule the home team is going to be just as jacked up therefore no edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainT:

    It is, but I will personally disregard that filter. I think this would a wasted opportunity. Let's see how it turns out. I will be keeping a record of how much I am up after a total of some games.


    I disagree.  The whole point of the system is to capitalize on the idea that a team is more jacked up and ready to go the first few games of a long road trip.  I think for the opening games of the schedule the home team is going to be just as jacked up therefore no edge.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2009 - 10:39 AM ET #11

    [Quote:= Originally Posted by jbrent95]
    Where can I find Kongs filters?

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    under kongkillers thread for nhl.  nhl is 2 game chase. if the road team is favored take money line if road team is not favored take    + 1 1/2 goals line.

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    [Quote:= Originally Posted by jbrent95]
    Where can I find Kongs filters?

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    under kongkillers thread for nhl.  nhl is 2 game chase. if the road team is favored take money line if road team is not favored take    + 1 1/2 goals line.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2009 - 11:10 AM ET #12

    CaptainT, 

    Could you please explain the modified Labouchere betting as applied to this system.  I have read kongs entire thread but am having a hard time following.  If you could post an example of how it would work one of these series that would be great.  This is what I understand..

    Assume for simplicity the unit I am trying to win is $10.

    For the SJ series I would lay $17.2 tonight (game A) to win $10. If I win tonight I am done with the series.  

    If Iose tonight I bet game B of the series.  How much do I bet here using the modified Labouchere? Again for simplicity say the line is the same tomorrow night (-172).  I realize win game B I am done for the series.  

    But if I lose again, I ignore game C and carry over the the next series?  

    Any help would be great.  Thanks!

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    CaptainT, 

    Could you please explain the modified Labouchere betting as applied to this system.  I have read kongs entire thread but am having a hard time following.  If you could post an example of how it would work one of these series that would be great.  This is what I understand..

    Assume for simplicity the unit I am trying to win is $10.

    For the SJ series I would lay $17.2 tonight (game A) to win $10. If I win tonight I am done with the series.  

    If Iose tonight I bet game B of the series.  How much do I bet here using the modified Labouchere? Again for simplicity say the line is the same tomorrow night (-172).  I realize win game B I am done for the series.  

    But if I lose again, I ignore game C and carry over the the next series?  

    Any help would be great.  Thanks!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncsutodd1193:

    CaptainT, 

    Could you please explain the modified Labouchere betting as applied to this system.  I have read kongs entire thread but am having a hard time following.  If you could post an example of how it would work one of these series that would be great.  This is what I understand..

    Assume for simplicity the unit I am trying to win is $10.

    For the SJ series I would lay $17.2 tonight (game A) to win $10. If I win tonight I am done with the series.  

    If Iose tonight I bet game B of the series.  How much do I bet here using the modified Labouchere? Again for simplicity say the line is the same tomorrow night (-172).  I realize win game B I am done for the series.  

    But if I lose again, I ignore game C and carry over the the next series?  

    Any help would be great.  Thanks!

     

    this is what the labaurche line looks like

    10 10 10 10

    10 10 10 10

    if 17.20 is lost on game A the 17.20 would be split between lines A and B so the new line for labaurche would look like this

    10 10 10 10  8.60

    10 10 10  10  8.60

    thats the way I 'm playing it this year and the way I understand it.

    also if game B were too  loose then again that total would also be split between A line and  B line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncsutodd1193:

    CaptainT, 

    Could you please explain the modified Labouchere betting as applied to this system.  I have read kongs entire thread but am having a hard time following.  If you could post an example of how it would work one of these series that would be great.  This is what I understand..

    Assume for simplicity the unit I am trying to win is $10.

    For the SJ series I would lay $17.2 tonight (game A) to win $10. If I win tonight I am done with the series.  

    If Iose tonight I bet game B of the series.  How much do I bet here using the modified Labouchere? Again for simplicity say the line is the same tomorrow night (-172).  I realize win game B I am done for the series.  

    But if I lose again, I ignore game C and carry over the the next series?  

    Any help would be great.  Thanks!

     

    this is what the labaurche line looks like

    10 10 10 10

    10 10 10 10

    if 17.20 is lost on game A the 17.20 would be split between lines A and B so the new line for labaurche would look like this

    10 10 10 10  8.60

    10 10 10  10  8.60

    thats the way I 'm playing it this year and the way I understand it.

    also if game B were too  loose then again that total would also be split between A line and  B line.

     
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    full explanation of labaurche line can be found here
    https://platinumsportsinvesting.com/labourchere.aspx
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    full explanation of labaurche line can be found here
    https://platinumsportsinvesting.com/labourchere.aspx
     
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    I screwed up on the above post it should be like this if your going to win 10$ the labaurche line should look like this.
     
    5 5 5 5
     
    5 5 5 5
     
    if A line fails split your loss between A and B line like this
     
    5 5 5 5  8.60
     
    5 5 5 5  8.60
     
    also if B line fails the split that loss.  between A and B line.
     
    one more thing is that 8.60 can also be rounded up too 10$ for easier to figure out math.
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    I screwed up on the above post it should be like this if your going to win 10$ the labaurche line should look like this.
     
    5 5 5 5
     
    5 5 5 5
     
    if A line fails split your loss between A and B line like this
     
    5 5 5 5  8.60
     
    5 5 5 5  8.60
     
    also if B line fails the split that loss.  between A and B line.
     
    one more thing is that 8.60 can also be rounded up too 10$ for easier to figure out math.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2009 - 12:49 PM ET #16

    jv, thank you but i must be an idiot..

    Are there two line because there are 2 chases (SJ & Montreal) or are both of the lines for the SJ series?  


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    jv, thank you but i must be an idiot..

    Are there two line because there are 2 chases (SJ & Montreal) or are both of the lines for the SJ series?  


     
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    disregard last post i think I got it after reading the https://platinumsportsinvesting.com/labourchere.aspx link.  

    So if I am playing a 2 team chase I will just have 2 lines the entire season, one for all game 1's and one for all game 2's ??  Thank you!
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    disregard last post i think I got it after reading the https://platinumsportsinvesting.com/labourchere.aspx link.  

    So if I am playing a 2 team chase I will just have 2 lines the entire season, one for all game 1's and one for all game 2's ??  Thank you!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncsutodd1193:

    disregard last post i think I got it after reading the https://platinumsportsinvesting.com/labourchere.aspx link.  

    So if I am playing a 2 team chase I will just have 2 lines the entire season, one for all game 1's and one for all game 2's ??  Thank you!

     

    yes that's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncsutodd1193:

    disregard last post i think I got it after reading the https://platinumsportsinvesting.com/labourchere.aspx link.  

    So if I am playing a 2 team chase I will just have 2 lines the entire season, one for all game 1's and one for all game 2's ??  Thank you!

     

    yes that's right.

     
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    todd1193,

    jv040 pretty much hit it on the head as far as the way the modified line is used. Yes, according to Kong, ignore C games and stick to the A and B bets.

    hoop121, yes you are right and YOU SHOULD NOT PLAY TODAYS GAMES as they are filtered out, but I will keep track for info purposes and then when the system comes into play, that is when you should start. I however will take the first series into play.
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    todd1193,

    jv040 pretty much hit it on the head as far as the way the modified line is used. Yes, according to Kong, ignore C games and stick to the A and B bets.

    hoop121, yes you are right and YOU SHOULD NOT PLAY TODAYS GAMES as they are filtered out, but I will keep track for info purposes and then when the system comes into play, that is when you should start. I however will take the first series into play.
     
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    JV, you posted:
     
    if A line fails split your loss between A and B line like this
     
    5 5 5 5  8.60
     
    5 5 5 5  8.60
     
    also if B line fails the split that loss.  between A and B line.
     
    So, assuming you lost that B at the same odds as A, would you:
     
    5 5 5 5 8.60 8.60 OR 5 5 5 5 17.20 for your new lines?
     
    OR:
     
    8.60 5 5 5 5 8.60?
     
    The last option seems like the happy middle as far as wagering to win amount not being reallt high or low:
    option 1:  5 + 8.60= 13.60
    option 2:  5 + 17.20= 22.2
    option 3;  8.60 + 8.60= 17.20
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    JV, you posted:
     
    if A line fails split your loss between A and B line like this
     
    5 5 5 5  8.60
     
    5 5 5 5  8.60
     
    also if B line fails the split that loss.  between A and B line.
     
    So, assuming you lost that B at the same odds as A, would you:
     
    5 5 5 5 8.60 8.60 OR 5 5 5 5 17.20 for your new lines?
     
    OR:
     
    8.60 5 5 5 5 8.60?
     
    The last option seems like the happy middle as far as wagering to win amount not being reallt high or low:
    option 1:  5 + 8.60= 13.60
    option 2:  5 + 17.20= 22.2
    option 3;  8.60 + 8.60= 17.20
     
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    Also, how the heck can you guys lay 200 or more on these +1.5 puck lines? I just can't see myself doing this. It's insanely high. My book has MON at -270!!! Even if that game qualified, I don't think I can lay that. Even with a Lab. lines system, it seems like you could get in the hole really quick with a bad loss streak.
    Or, you would be constantly using your winning nites to make up for previously juiced up losses. 
    For simplicity sake, you would need like 3 wins to break even from 1 loss at that juice!. And a b loss would put you even farther back.
    What am I missing?
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    Also, how the heck can you guys lay 200 or more on these +1.5 puck lines? I just can't see myself doing this. It's insanely high. My book has MON at -270!!! Even if that game qualified, I don't think I can lay that. Even with a Lab. lines system, it seems like you could get in the hole really quick with a bad loss streak.
    Or, you would be constantly using your winning nites to make up for previously juiced up losses. 
    For simplicity sake, you would need like 3 wins to break even from 1 loss at that juice!. And a b loss would put you even farther back.
    What am I missing?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2009 - 4:24 PM ET #22

    Montreal now -300 at my book. OUCH.
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    Montreal now -300 at my book. OUCH.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nolemonasses:

    Also, how the heck can you guys lay 200 or more on these +1.5 puck lines? I just can't see myself doing this. It's insanely high. My book has MON at -270!!! Even if that game qualified, I don't think I can lay that. Even with a Lab. lines system, it seems like you could get in the hole really quick with a bad loss streak.
    Or, you would be constantly using your winning nites to make up for previously juiced up losses. 
    For simplicity sake, you would need like 3 wins to break even from 1 loss at that juice!. And a b loss would put you even farther back.
    What am I missing?

     

    after clearing b line. then  A line its all profit.

    basicaly your using B line to gain back 1/2 your bet that was lost on A line then when A line is cleared thats where profit comes in.

    it seems getting the bets in early then there would be no 300 lines to bet.  the bets should be placed early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolemonasses:

    Also, how the heck can you guys lay 200 or more on these +1.5 puck lines? I just can't see myself doing this. It's insanely high. My book has MON at -270!!! Even if that game qualified, I don't think I can lay that. Even with a Lab. lines system, it seems like you could get in the hole really quick with a bad loss streak.
    Or, you would be constantly using your winning nites to make up for previously juiced up losses. 
    For simplicity sake, you would need like 3 wins to break even from 1 loss at that juice!. And a b loss would put you even farther back.
    What am I missing?

     

    after clearing b line. then  A line its all profit.

    basicaly your using B line to gain back 1/2 your bet that was lost on A line then when A line is cleared thats where profit comes in.

    it seems getting the bets in early then there would be no 300 lines to bet.  the bets should be placed early.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2009 - 4:56 PM ET #24

    JV - THANK YOU for posting here...I completely understood your explanation and finally get how this thing works. so thank you!
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    JV - THANK YOU for posting here...I completely understood your explanation and finally get how this thing works. so thank you!
     
     
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    I got you. The lines are always going up after losses to make up.
     
    Just seems like you could get stuck in a rut for awhile and spin wheels or keep rasing your wager amount to where your BR could dwindle.
     
    Much better than doubling up each wager, but still seems like you could be betting more than you'd like if a lot of B's lose in a streak at those juice levels.
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    I got you. The lines are always going up after losses to make up.
     
    Just seems like you could get stuck in a rut for awhile and spin wheels or keep rasing your wager amount to where your BR could dwindle.
     
    Much better than doubling up each wager, but still seems like you could be betting more than you'd like if a lot of B's lose in a streak at those juice levels.
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