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    it is possible to make $100,000 off NHL. Let me tell u how.......

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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2008 - 1:30 PM ET #1

    for the last month of nhl, if you would have placed $100 single bets on just favorites, you would be up $2200 right now. If this pattern continues or is anywhere close, this means by end of next month, it should go up to $4 thousand something. Ive been keeping a record of all the favorites, underdogs, home favorites etc.. And this is what my conclusion was. The only thing is you need patience and discipline. Let me know what you guys think?
     
    Here are tonights picks for NHL
     
    Washington Capitols
    New York Rangers
     
     
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    for the last month of nhl, if you would have placed $100 single bets on just favorites, you would be up $2200 right now. If this pattern continues or is anywhere close, this means by end of next month, it should go up to $4 thousand something. Ive been keeping a record of all the favorites, underdogs, home favorites etc.. And this is what my conclusion was. The only thing is you need patience and discipline. Let me know what you guys think?
     
    Here are tonights picks for NHL
     
    Washington Capitols
    New York Rangers
     
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2008 - 1:40 PM ET #2

    It doesn't work. Last month was good for favs, that's all. You'll lose alot by the end of the year if you keep this up. Trust me.
    Last year was good for dogs.


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    It doesn't work. Last month was good for favs, that's all. You'll lose alot by the end of the year if you keep this up. Trust me.
    Last year was good for dogs.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2008 - 2:20 PM ET #3

    I agree with Tom. One month of good results doesnt make a system and blindly betting all faves will for sure lose you $ in the long run
     
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    I agree with Tom. One month of good results doesnt make a system and blindly betting all faves will for sure lose you $ in the long run
     
     
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    you guys might be right, but lets see what happens this year. So far im up $2200. But im keeping track of all the favs and underdogs. Also chanceP im not blindly betting on these games, i have a whole spreadsheet of records since day 1. Keep the comments coming, were here to help each other succeed. Thanks guys.
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    you guys might be right, but lets see what happens this year. So far im up $2200. But im keeping track of all the favs and underdogs. Also chanceP im not blindly betting on these games, i have a whole spreadsheet of records since day 1. Keep the comments coming, were here to help each other succeed. Thanks guys.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2008 - 5:16 PM ET #5

    Youre "blindly" betting all the favorites. What did I say that was wrong?
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    Youre "blindly" betting all the favorites. What did I say that was wrong?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2008 - 6:11 PM ET #6

    The 10 year stats on bet the favorites is negative, something like a 10 to 20 % loss of your bankroll per season. This information is the same in football, hockey, basketball and baseball. I bet on horses for 10 years before starting on other sports this year. I have found that some of the horse information, which is extensive, applies accurately for our purposes in the NHL. The bet-on-the-favorite is historically a losing proposition with lenthly stats to prove it.
     
       There is nothing wrong with making money on your current excellent observation, which you deserve for taking the risk. Our thoughts are that this trend might change in another direction:
    - the juice will be increased until you get 0 or negative returns
    - the trend reverses itself
    - rule changes that affect you negatively
     
    But the bottom line is that you are making money. Congratulations.
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    The 10 year stats on bet the favorites is negative, something like a 10 to 20 % loss of your bankroll per season. This information is the same in football, hockey, basketball and baseball. I bet on horses for 10 years before starting on other sports this year. I have found that some of the horse information, which is extensive, applies accurately for our purposes in the NHL. The bet-on-the-favorite is historically a losing proposition with lenthly stats to prove it.
     
       There is nothing wrong with making money on your current excellent observation, which you deserve for taking the risk. Our thoughts are that this trend might change in another direction:
    - the juice will be increased until you get 0 or negative returns
    - the trend reverses itself
    - rule changes that affect you negatively
     
    But the bottom line is that you are making money. Congratulations.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2008 - 6:40 PM ET #7

    One thing to remember is that the public always likes to bet on the favourite, so logically the bookmakers are gonna skew the odds to give higher juice then they should, ultimately the main reason why there's almost always value in the dog.
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    One thing to remember is that the public always likes to bet on the favourite, so logically the bookmakers are gonna skew the odds to give higher juice then they should, ultimately the main reason why there's almost always value in the dog.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomspeople:

    One thing to remember is that the public always likes to bet on the favourite, so logically the bookmakers are gonna skew the odds to give higher juice then they should, ultimately the main reason why there's almost always value in the dog.

    did u get my money order yet?

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    One thing to remember is that the public always likes to bet on the favourite, so logically the bookmakers are gonna skew the odds to give higher juice then they should, ultimately the main reason why there's almost always value in the dog.

    did u get my money order yet?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2008 - 8:00 PM ET #9

    doesn't NHL have a reverse favourite-longshot bias long term? If so, what happens when the current trends regresses back to the mean?
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    doesn't NHL have a reverse favourite-longshot bias long term? If so, what happens when the current trends regresses back to the mean?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2008 - 1:53 AM ET #10

    ok thanks to everyone making comments to my gameplan on betting just favorites. I dont know about the 10 year stretch dabar cause im going off of what the numbers tell me for this season. So what im going to do is kind of give an update of what the numbers are for each category, also remember the results are strictly based on $100 single bets on each game. Nothing less, nothing more. Heres the results for NHL from 10/4 - 11/9

    Favorites money line Only: + $ 2616

    Dogs money line Only : - $ 2865

    Numbers dont lie, so im going to keep betting on favorites and hope to win shit load of money at the end of the season. Any comments? What do you guys think? Thank you for the inputs, keep it coming.

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    ok thanks to everyone making comments to my gameplan on betting just favorites. I dont know about the 10 year stretch dabar cause im going off of what the numbers tell me for this season. So what im going to do is kind of give an update of what the numbers are for each category, also remember the results are strictly based on $100 single bets on each game. Nothing less, nothing more. Heres the results for NHL from 10/4 - 11/9

    Favorites money line Only: + $ 2616

    Dogs money line Only : - $ 2865

    Numbers dont lie, so im going to keep betting on favorites and hope to win shit load of money at the end of the season. Any comments? What do you guys think? Thank you for the inputs, keep it coming.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2008 - 2:26 AM ET #11

    If favs keep wining the books will eventually adjust the odds, this happens every seaon. I wish you luck though
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    If favs keep wining the books will eventually adjust the odds, this happens every seaon. I wish you luck though
     
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    are there any stats where it shows that betting on favs in NHL will make you loose money? I mean everybodys arguments do make sense but im a statistical person and unless I dont see some numbers then these arguments are just fallacies. What do you guys think? Thanks.
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    are there any stats where it shows that betting on favs in NHL will make you loose money? I mean everybodys arguments do make sense but im a statistical person and unless I dont see some numbers then these arguments are just fallacies. What do you guys think? Thanks.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mubasher:

    are there any stats where it shows that betting on favs in NHL will make you loose money? I mean everybodys arguments do make sense but im a statistical person and unless I dont see some numbers then these arguments are just fallacies. What do you guys think? Thanks.


    I can try to get you the stats. I think betting $100 a game you would have lost about $30,000 last season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mubasher:

    are there any stats where it shows that betting on favs in NHL will make you loose money? I mean everybodys arguments do make sense but im a statistical person and unless I dont see some numbers then these arguments are just fallacies. What do you guys think? Thanks.


    I can try to get you the stats. I think betting $100 a game you would have lost about $30,000 last season.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mubasher:

    are there any stats where it shows that betting on favs in NHL will make you loose money? I mean everybodys arguments do make sense but im a statistical person and unless I dont see some numbers then these arguments are just fallacies. What do you guys think? Thanks.


    Extact of Woodland and Woodland's stidy of Market efficience and the NHL
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    are there any stats where it shows that betting on favs in NHL will make you loose money? I mean everybodys arguments do make sense but im a statistical person and unless I dont see some numbers then these arguments are just fallacies. What do you guys think? Thanks.


    Extact of Woodland and Woodland's stidy of Market efficience and the NHL
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2008 - 4:50 PM ET #15

    thanks second again for that article, helped me get educated alot. Well im up for now, but i was thinking why not set a certain amount of money you want to make, soon as you hit that then just back off. For example if you want to make $30,000 you have to bet around $300 a game but also know that it will reach its peak somewhere in the season, just like stocks. Get out once it starts going down. Any suggestions?
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    thanks second again for that article, helped me get educated alot. Well im up for now, but i was thinking why not set a certain amount of money you want to make, soon as you hit that then just back off. For example if you want to make $30,000 you have to bet around $300 a game but also know that it will reach its peak somewhere in the season, just like stocks. Get out once it starts going down. Any suggestions?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2008 - 4:57 PM ET #16

    Might work better in the beginning of the season...idk
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    Might work better in the beginning of the season...idk
     
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    Posted: Nov. 12, 2008 - 1:50 PM ET #17

    ok check this out guys, im  firm believer of patterns. And the favorites have lost the last three days, according to my records, the 4th time loosing is around 20%. And if it does happen today then fuck no way its gonna happen 5 days in a row. Bet all your favs tonight, if you dont want to take the risk then bet a light amount. Here are tonights fav picks:
     
    Buffalo
    New York Rangers
    Carolina
    Columbus
    Florida
    Chicago
    Vancouver
     
    Bet equal amounts on each. This will cash you in, I promise!!!
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    ok check this out guys, im  firm believer of patterns. And the favorites have lost the last three days, according to my records, the 4th time loosing is around 20%. And if it does happen today then fuck no way its gonna happen 5 days in a row. Bet all your favs tonight, if you dont want to take the risk then bet a light amount. Here are tonights fav picks:
     
    Buffalo
    New York Rangers
    Carolina
    Columbus
    Florida
    Chicago
    Vancouver
     
    Bet equal amounts on each. This will cash you in, I promise!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2008 - 11:40 PM ET #18

    "Factors change"
    Just heard that on 'Numb3rs" regarding stats and probability, which is what were all about.
     
    Since Sunday November 9 the NHL favorites / total games played are:
    Sun: 2/5
    Mon: 1/2
    Tue: 3/6
    Wed: 3/7
    Thu:4/8
    Fri: 2/5  at time of writing
    Therefore 15/33 or  .4545
     
    I know that six contrary days does not send your total for the year numbers into the negative but consider that:
    -the trend may be reversing itself
    -injury factors have come into play (whether players returning or going on the list)
    -different teams are going on long road trips or enjoying a long home stands
    -personnel get fired/ hired
     
    In addition to the phrase 'numbers don't lie' you have to remember that:
    "Stats can be use to say anything"
    and " There are lies, damn lies and statistics"
     
    The trend you observed or any trend , that any of us finds, for that matter, most likely will be of a very short duration.
    Our aim is to find these trends, take advantage of them, then jump off the trend when you are still a winner. The hardest part is the jumping.
    Good luck in all your endeavours, hope you make the $$$$
     
     
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    "Factors change"
    Just heard that on 'Numb3rs" regarding stats and probability, which is what were all about.
     
    Since Sunday November 9 the NHL favorites / total games played are:
    Sun: 2/5
    Mon: 1/2
    Tue: 3/6
    Wed: 3/7
    Thu:4/8
    Fri: 2/5  at time of writing
    Therefore 15/33 or  .4545
     
    I know that six contrary days does not send your total for the year numbers into the negative but consider that:
    -the trend may be reversing itself
    -injury factors have come into play (whether players returning or going on the list)
    -different teams are going on long road trips or enjoying a long home stands
    -personnel get fired/ hired
     
    In addition to the phrase 'numbers don't lie' you have to remember that:
    "Stats can be use to say anything"
    and " There are lies, damn lies and statistics"
     
    The trend you observed or any trend , that any of us finds, for that matter, most likely will be of a very short duration.
    Our aim is to find these trends, take advantage of them, then jump off the trend when you are still a winner. The hardest part is the jumping.
    Good luck in all your endeavours, hope you make the $$$$
     
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2008 - 2:37 AM ET #19

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    Bet equal amounts on each. This will cash you in, I promise!!!

    Congratulations!  Can't wait to hear from you at the end of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mubasher:

     
    Bet equal amounts on each. This will cash you in, I promise!!!

    Congratulations!  Can't wait to hear from you at the end of the season.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2008 - 6:23 AM ET #20

    According to Dabar's last list, you should start betting the underdog ml. You'd be rich!
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    According to Dabar's last list, you should start betting the underdog ml. You'd be rich!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2008 - 11:14 AM ET #21

    MU Basher...no offense but post like these are Silly. Maybe betting Favorites early in year works but all you need to do to check this is go back and look at each teams early plays for first 30 days over 5 years lets say?? But a system where you bet all favorites puts you with the Public most of the time and we all know what that means.
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    MU Basher...no offense but post like these are Silly. Maybe betting Favorites early in year works but all you need to do to check this is go back and look at each teams early plays for first 30 days over 5 years lets say?? But a system where you bet all favorites puts you with the Public most of the time and we all know what that means.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2008 - 1:12 PM ET #22

    If this guy can bet every favorite and not finish in the red I will give him $100k
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    If this guy can bet every favorite and not finish in the red I will give him $100k
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2008 - 1:18 PM ET #23

    Consider that since late last friday's Nashville game that:
     
    Favorites won          = 22
    Dogs won                =16
    Total games played  = 38
     
    Favs ave. profit          = .69
    Dogs ave profit         = 1.35
     
    Favs return for 38 equal bets   = 37.18
    Dogs return for 38 equal bets  =37.60
     
    Either way  = negative money.
     
    Consider that
      1.  The lines are exactly where they are supposed to be ( the market has adjusted) and that there is no advantage to be gained by  betting  a single-factor system.
      2. If the 38 bets would have had just a little less vig, then the profits would have been positive; therefore search for the best posible lines with low vigorish.
     
    Good Luck to all who dare.
     
     
     
     
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    Consider that since late last friday's Nashville game that:
     
    Favorites won          = 22
    Dogs won                =16
    Total games played  = 38
     
    Favs ave. profit          = .69
    Dogs ave profit         = 1.35
     
    Favs return for 38 equal bets   = 37.18
    Dogs return for 38 equal bets  =37.60
     
    Either way  = negative money.
     
    Consider that
      1.  The lines are exactly where they are supposed to be ( the market has adjusted) and that there is no advantage to be gained by  betting  a single-factor system.
      2. If the 38 bets would have had just a little less vig, then the profits would have been positive; therefore search for the best posible lines with low vigorish.
     
    Good Luck to all who dare.
     
     
     
     
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