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    If win Bet scenario optimization

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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2007 - 9:27 PM ET #1

    I have been tinkering with some plays, a while back i noticed that if win bets, gave me the perception of reducing overall risk , with leaving the same potential for upside, over the long run, it also saves vig assuming a 50% hit rate . its basically making an if win bet with two teams , and splitting up with two if bets,, i outlined on the next post , and have a couple question that i will post following that
     
     

     

     

     

     

     
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    I have been tinkering with some plays, a while back i noticed that if win bets, gave me the perception of reducing overall risk , with leaving the same potential for upside, over the long run, it also saves vig assuming a 50% hit rate . its basically making an if win bet with two teams , and splitting up with two if bets,, i outlined on the next post , and have a couple question that i will post following that
     
     

     

     

     

     

     
     
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    Team A

    Team B

     

    2 Simultaneous bets

     

    4 scenarios possible

    both bets @ -110  risking 2.2 per team 

     

    Scenario 1   :   Aw +  Bw

    Scenario 2  :    Aw + Bl

    Scenario 3  :    Al + Bw 

    Scenario 4 :    Al + Bl

     

     

    its 2 teams with the 4 possible outcomes..   aw means team A

    winning and so forth...

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    Team A

    Team B

     

    2 Simultaneous bets

     

    4 scenarios possible

    both bets @ -110  risking 2.2 per team 

     

    Scenario 1   :   Aw +  Bw

    Scenario 2  :    Aw + Bl

    Scenario 3  :    Al + Bw 

    Scenario 4 :    Al + Bl

     

     

    its 2 teams with the 4 possible outcomes..   aw means team A

    winning and so forth...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2007 - 9:36 PM ET #3

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    Straight betting

     

    Team A:  2.2 tw 2

    Team B   2.2  tw 2

     

     

     

     

     

    Scenario 1    =   + 4 units

    Scenario 2 = -.2

    Scenario 3 = -.2

    Scenario 4 = -4.4

     

     

     

    That right there is the results of betting team A and team b seperately,, and the biggest reason why being a bookie is the best way to go... 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Straight betting

     

    Team A:  2.2 tw 2

    Team B   2.2  tw 2

     

     

     

     

     

    Scenario 1    =   + 4 units

    Scenario 2 = -.2

    Scenario 3 = -.2

    Scenario 4 = -4.4

     

     

     

    That right there is the results of betting team A and team b seperately,, and the biggest reason why being a bookie is the best way to go... 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2007 - 10:13 PM ET #4

     

    IF win or tie betting

     

     

    If win or tie bet 1

     

    Risking 1.1  team A tw 1

    If win or tie

    Risking 1.1  team B tw 1

     

    If win or tie bet 2

     

    Risking 1.1 team B tw 1

    If win or tie

    Risking 1.1 Team A tw 1

     

     

    Scenario 1 = +4

    Scenario 2 = -1.2

    Scenario 3 = -1.2

    Scenario 4 = -2.2

     

     

    If you notice,,  if you place this as an if win or tie,  you will notice that in scenario A , the win is the same, but Scenario 4 (which is two losses ) , reduce the overall loss by 2 units,, the downside being that a split will cause a -1.2  loss instead of a

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    IF win or tie betting

     

     

    If win or tie bet 1

     

    Risking 1.1  team A tw 1

    If win or tie

    Risking 1.1  team B tw 1

     

    If win or tie bet 2

     

    Risking 1.1 team B tw 1

    If win or tie

    Risking 1.1 Team A tw 1

     

     

    Scenario 1 = +4

    Scenario 2 = -1.2

    Scenario 3 = -1.2

    Scenario 4 = -2.2

     

     

    If you notice,,  if you place this as an if win or tie,  you will notice that in scenario A , the win is the same, but Scenario 4 (which is two losses ) , reduce the overall loss by 2 units,, the downside being that a split will cause a -1.2  loss instead of a

    -.2

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2007 - 10:17 PM ET #5

     

    System at 50% confidence 1000n

     

     

    250 X 4 =   +1000 units

    500 x -1.2 = -600

    250 X -2.2 = -550

     

    -150 units over  a 1000 sample size

     

     

    straight bets at 50% confidence 1000n

     

     

    250 x 4 = 1000

    500 x -.2 = -100

    250 x -4.4 = -1100

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                     -200     units over 1000 2.2 unit bets

     

    as you can see at 50% , there is less cost involved.. but what we havent accounted for is ties,, which leads to my next questions

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    System at 50% confidence 1000n

     

     

    250 X 4 =   +1000 units

    500 x -1.2 = -600

    250 X -2.2 = -550

     

    -150 units over  a 1000 sample size

     

     

    straight bets at 50% confidence 1000n

     

     

    250 x 4 = 1000

    500 x -.2 = -100

    250 x -4.4 = -1100

                   --------------

                     -200     units over 1000 2.2 unit bets

     

    as you can see at 50% , there is less cost involved.. but what we havent accounted for is ties,, which leads to my next questions

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