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    How I Handicap The NBA

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    Tormiod
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 5:22 PM ET #1

    Posting this to hopefully get some feedback.

     

    Step 1: Find each team's relevant (home/away) stats:

    - Pace

    - Off Eff Rating

    - Def Eff Rating

     

    Step 2: Find the following stats:

    - League Avg Off Eff Rating (Home)

    - League Avg Off Rating (Away)

    - League Avg Pace

     

    Step 3: Calculate game pace:

    Home Team Pace * Away Team Pace/ League Avg Pace

     

    Step 4: Calculate Expected Points Per Possession (PPP) For Each Team:

    Home Team Off Eff Rating * Away Team Def Eff Rating / League Avg Home Team Off Eff Rating

    Away Team Off Eff Rating * Home Team Def Eff Rating / League Avg Away Team Off Eff Rating

     

    Step 5: Calculate Expected Points Scored For Each Team

    Home PPP * Game Pace / 100

    Away PPP * Game Pace / 100

     

    Step 6: Handicapping

    Subtract home team's expected points from away team's expecte points to determine pointspread.

    Add both expected scores together to determine game total.

     

    ****EXAMPLE *****

    EG. Tonight Lakers @ Timberwolves

    LAL (Away)

    ****

    Off: 103.0

    Def: 108.6

    Pace: 103.07

     

    MIN (Home)

    ****

    Off: 113.1

    Def: 106.8

    Pace: 97.14

     

    League Avg 

    ****

    Off: 105.51

    Def: 105.51

    Pace: 96.27

     

    Game Pace:

    103.07 * 97.14 / 96.27 = 104

     

    PPP:

    LAL: 103 * 106.8 / 105.51 = 104.25

    MIN: 113.1 * 108.6 / 105.51 = 116.41

     

    Exp Points Scored:

    LAL: 104.25 * 104 / 100 = 108.42

    MIN: 116.41 * 104 / 100 = 121.06

     

    Handicap:

    MIN -12

    Total: 229

     

    Current Line:

    Min - 10

    O/U 227

     

    Does anyone have any SQDL info that could help to narrow / remove bad picks and increase ROI with this?

    Any improvements or suggestions would be appreciated. 

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Posting this to hopefully get some feedback.

     

    Step 1: Find each team's relevant (home/away) stats:

    - Pace

    - Off Eff Rating

    - Def Eff Rating

     

    Step 2: Find the following stats:

    - League Avg Off Eff Rating (Home)

    - League Avg Off Rating (Away)

    - League Avg Pace

     

    Step 3: Calculate game pace:

    Home Team Pace * Away Team Pace/ League Avg Pace

     

    Step 4: Calculate Expected Points Per Possession (PPP) For Each Team:

    Home Team Off Eff Rating * Away Team Def Eff Rating / League Avg Home Team Off Eff Rating

    Away Team Off Eff Rating * Home Team Def Eff Rating / League Avg Away Team Off Eff Rating

     

    Step 5: Calculate Expected Points Scored For Each Team

    Home PPP * Game Pace / 100

    Away PPP * Game Pace / 100

     

    Step 6: Handicapping

    Subtract home team's expected points from away team's expecte points to determine pointspread.

    Add both expected scores together to determine game total.

     

    ****EXAMPLE *****

    EG. Tonight Lakers @ Timberwolves

    LAL (Away)

    ****

    Off: 103.0

    Def: 108.6

    Pace: 103.07

     

    MIN (Home)

    ****

    Off: 113.1

    Def: 106.8

    Pace: 97.14

     

    League Avg 

    ****

    Off: 105.51

    Def: 105.51

    Pace: 96.27

     

    Game Pace:

    103.07 * 97.14 / 96.27 = 104

     

    PPP:

    LAL: 103 * 106.8 / 105.51 = 104.25

    MIN: 113.1 * 108.6 / 105.51 = 116.41

     

    Exp Points Scored:

    LAL: 104.25 * 104 / 100 = 108.42

    MIN: 116.41 * 104 / 100 = 121.06

     

    Handicap:

    MIN -12

    Total: 229

     

    Current Line:

    Min - 10

    O/U 227

     

    Does anyone have any SQDL info that could help to narrow / remove bad picks and increase ROI with this?

    Any improvements or suggestions would be appreciated. 

     
    rivermonsterz
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 7:57 PM ET #2

    First of all I never make a bet if a team has to win by more than 8 to cover.  Once the game gets beyond those amount of points anything can go down.  I'll maybe take -8.0 at most but generally -7.5.

    I also have MIN at -12.0 today, and MIL -4.0. What did you calculate for the MIL game?
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    First of all I never make a bet if a team has to win by more than 8 to cover.  Once the game gets beyond those amount of points anything can go down.  I'll maybe take -8.0 at most but generally -7.5.

    I also have MIN at -12.0 today, and MIL -4.0. What did you calculate for the MIL game?
     
    Tormiod
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:21 PM ET #3

    I calculated:

    MIL - 7

    Total: 216

     

    So I'd take MIL - 4 and the over on that one too.

    Appreciate the suggestion -- hopefully I can take that and more and tighten up my pick to improve the ROI

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    I calculated:

    MIL - 7

    Total: 216

     

    So I'd take MIL - 4 and the over on that one too.

    Appreciate the suggestion -- hopefully I can take that and more and tighten up my pick to improve the ROI

     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 8:04 AM ET #4

    Nicely laid our thread Tormiod...do you have records backing up your approach or did you just begin using it?

    Good luck
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    Nicely laid our thread Tormiod...do you have records backing up your approach or did you just begin using it?

    Good luck
     
    Tormiod
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 1:18 PM ET #5

    Im actually putting this method out there because by itself it is insufficient.

    I've had it running as high as 58% for short bursts, but generally its season average is 48-52%. Not good enough.

    I'm hoping that some suggestions from others can make it even better, and everyone can benefit as a result. For example, are there obvious lines or situations where we should avoid games? indicators to look for that could be used with this method to improve the win rate?

    Hoping to do a bit of a knowledge/tech share here.

     

     

     

     

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    Im actually putting this method out there because by itself it is insufficient.

    I've had it running as high as 58% for short bursts, but generally its season average is 48-52%. Not good enough.

    I'm hoping that some suggestions from others can make it even better, and everyone can benefit as a result. For example, are there obvious lines or situations where we should avoid games? indicators to look for that could be used with this method to improve the win rate?

    Hoping to do a bit of a knowledge/tech share here.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 2:16 PM ET #6

    I don't get involved with NBA wagering so I can't help, hopefully someone can collaborate with you and expand on this, best of luck!
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    I don't get involved with NBA wagering so I can't help, hopefully someone can collaborate with you and expand on this, best of luck!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2018 - 8:34 PM ET #7

    Interesting.  Where do you obtain your data??  I have a DB going back to 2013 and can run formulas in seconds to do a whole year's worth of data to see how well a method performs.  (Would also like to find historical 1Q and 1H closing odds as well.)  By the way, using data from COVERS NBA printsheets, averaging team A's OFF + team's B DEF and then B's OFF + A's DEF usually hits right around 52-53%.  Not quite good enough for the 52.38% needed to break even on straight bets at -110 long term.

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    Interesting.  Where do you obtain your data??  I have a DB going back to 2013 and can run formulas in seconds to do a whole year's worth of data to see how well a method performs.  (Would also like to find historical 1Q and 1H closing odds as well.)  By the way, using data from COVERS NBA printsheets, averaging team A's OFF + team's B DEF and then B's OFF + A's DEF usually hits right around 52-53%.  Not quite good enough for the 52.38% needed to break even on straight bets at -110 long term.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2018 - 8:43 AM ET #8

    The NBA is all about the 'matchup' and situational handicapping (strategy & logic)

    with Sabermetrics absorbing 30% of the cap....the rest is a formulated methodology; initiating a system to a particular 'spot' on game....

    May the NBA bring prosperity to those who are interested.

    take note: the NBA is a very lazy league during the regular season (last four minutes) until the playoffs begin; then it becomes a whole new season. 48 min  of true championship basketball.

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    The NBA is all about the 'matchup' and situational handicapping (strategy & logic)

    with Sabermetrics absorbing 30% of the cap....the rest is a formulated methodology; initiating a system to a particular 'spot' on game....

    May the NBA bring prosperity to those who are interested.

    take note: the NBA is a very lazy league during the regular season (last four minutes) until the playoffs begin; then it becomes a whole new season. 48 min  of true championship basketball.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2018 - 3:38 PM ET #9

    I get my stats from NBA.com, Hollinger on ESPN, and Covers.

    This system was crusing along at 58% in Nov/Dec.....and came back down to earth in January. After the trade deadline? It's now positively better to fade the predictions. lol

    Appreciate the feedback, looks like I have to add more subjective factors into the analysis.

     

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    I get my stats from NBA.com, Hollinger on ESPN, and Covers.

    This system was crusing along at 58% in Nov/Dec.....and came back down to earth in January. After the trade deadline? It's now positively better to fade the predictions. lol

    Appreciate the feedback, looks like I have to add more subjective factors into the analysis.

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 17, 2018 - 9:27 PM ET #10

    Can you get enough data, let's say 2 or 3 years worth, to experiment with the formula?  Sports_Network definately has a point about not relying soley on one formula.  There's a myriad of other stats/situations that can help as well.  Am definately interested in your work.  Would also like to find 1Q and 1H historical odds, can't find any as of yet.

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    Can you get enough data, let's say 2 or 3 years worth, to experiment with the formula?  Sports_Network definately has a point about not relying soley on one formula.  There's a myriad of other stats/situations that can help as well.  Am definately interested in your work.  Would also like to find 1Q and 1H historical odds, can't find any as of yet.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2018 - 8:32 PM ET #11

    Do you record the results along with the situation and the opening line?  

    For example, if your looking at 5 particular stats  A B C D E F and the opening line is 12  and teams 1 and 2 are playing  2 is favored and they crush - is that recorded ?  

    If you are - then hopefully your able to find similar situations with identical opening lines that hopefully come up with the same results.   If you are not, then you don't have history to rely on and your at a macro level vice getting to a micro level which can mean varied results.     In sports betting as in life x drives y - the key is finding the right x or x's that repeatedly get you winners.   Whatever you do always look at the opening line and keep track of the results as the odds makers are smarter than you and me so you must consider what they open a game with (there's a reason). Two websites that may help you - donbest.com for opening lines and statfox.com -  allows you to break down home and away data.
    Also sagarin.com  - either way bol to you. 


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    Do you record the results along with the situation and the opening line?  

    For example, if your looking at 5 particular stats  A B C D E F and the opening line is 12  and teams 1 and 2 are playing  2 is favored and they crush - is that recorded ?  

    If you are - then hopefully your able to find similar situations with identical opening lines that hopefully come up with the same results.   If you are not, then you don't have history to rely on and your at a macro level vice getting to a micro level which can mean varied results.     In sports betting as in life x drives y - the key is finding the right x or x's that repeatedly get you winners.   Whatever you do always look at the opening line and keep track of the results as the odds makers are smarter than you and me so you must consider what they open a game with (there's a reason). Two websites that may help you - donbest.com for opening lines and statfox.com -  allows you to break down home and away data.
    Also sagarin.com  - either way bol to you. 


     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2018 - 12:41 PM ET #12

    Agreed.  Take for example the Cavs.  Favored by 10 or more points 12 times this season, 0-12 ATS.  Wonder why they were favored by 10 or more so many times then?   GS the same.  14-15 ATS (favored10 or more).  So you could say there are quite a number of reviewable stats when capping a game.

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    Agreed.  Take for example the Cavs.  Favored by 10 or more points 12 times this season, 0-12 ATS.  Wonder why they were favored by 10 or more so many times then?   GS the same.  14-15 ATS (favored10 or more).  So you could say there are quite a number of reviewable stats when capping a game.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2018 - 5:34 PM ET #13

    Thank you very much guys. I haven't been tracking that stuff. That helps a lot!

     

     

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    Thank you very much guys. I haven't been tracking that stuff. That helps a lot!

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2018 - 4:04 PM ET #14

    I've added in some median data versus the line to my stats analysis of the games.

     

    New Method Picks:

    BKY/CHA: Over 215.5 (4 point adv)

    PHI/CHI: Under 213.5 (0.5 point adv)

    OKC/SAC: Over 214 (3.5 point adv)

    LAC/GSW: LAC+10 (3 point adv)

     

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    I've added in some median data versus the line to my stats analysis of the games.

     

    New Method Picks:

    BKY/CHA: Over 215.5 (4 point adv)

    PHI/CHI: Under 213.5 (0.5 point adv)

    OKC/SAC: Over 214 (3.5 point adv)

    LAC/GSW: LAC+10 (3 point adv)

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2018 - 6:24 PM ET #15

    Hey I'm going to post my line plays that I have been testing, so you can compare them with your formula, in the hope that we can work together and figure something out.

    I had PHI as a play at -5.5, line is now -6.5 so will still play.

    NYK +3.5

    PHI -6.5

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    Hey I'm going to post my line plays that I have been testing, so you can compare them with your formula, in the hope that we can work together and figure something out.

    I had PHI as a play at -5.5, line is now -6.5 so will still play.

    NYK +3.5

    PHI -6.5

     
    Tormiod
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2018 - 6:36 PM ET #16

    Thanks for the input rivermonsterz!

    My formula made the following picks for tonight:

    BKY +8 / Over 215.5

    PHI -6.5 / Under 213.5

    ORL -3.5 / Under 215.5

    OKC -7.5 / Over 214

    CLE -5.5 / Over 220.5

    LAC +10 / Over 234

    ********************

    Then, I took the calculations and compared them to historical performance afgainst the lines posted. Only the following picks were "double verified" by both parts of the analysis:

    BKY/CHA Over 215.5

    PHI/CHI: Under 213.5

    OKC/SAC: Over 214

    LAC/GSW: LAC+10

     

    Cheers

     

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    Thanks for the input rivermonsterz!

    My formula made the following picks for tonight:

    BKY +8 / Over 215.5

    PHI -6.5 / Under 213.5

    ORL -3.5 / Under 215.5

    OKC -7.5 / Over 214

    CLE -5.5 / Over 220.5

    LAC +10 / Over 234

    ********************

    Then, I took the calculations and compared them to historical performance afgainst the lines posted. Only the following picks were "double verified" by both parts of the analysis:

    BKY/CHA Over 215.5

    PHI/CHI: Under 213.5

    OKC/SAC: Over 214

    LAC/GSW: LAC+10

     

    Cheers

     

     
    Tormiod
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2018 - 1:15 AM ET #17

    Night's Results

    **********************

    Handicapping Method Picks: [3-9] an_burningbag

    Handicapping + Historical Data Consensus Picks: [2-2]

    Historical Line Data Standalone Picks: [8-3-1]

    Looks like I've got more work to do....

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    Night's Results

    **********************

    Handicapping Method Picks: [3-9] an_burningbag

    Handicapping + Historical Data Consensus Picks: [2-2]

    Historical Line Data Standalone Picks: [8-3-1]

    Looks like I've got more work to do....

     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2018 - 12:10 PM ET #18

    I think there is more to capping these games than just the scores.  Checking the ATS, how teams do on the road and the like.  Like today, MIL-TOR game.  TOR is 11-3 ATS playing at home against avg/weak teams.  At home SU, they are quite good.  TOR worth looking at for that reason as well as calculating the score/spread.  Against common opponents this year:  TOR +8.6 pts per game and MIL +0.1.  UNDER might be worth a look too.

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    I think there is more to capping these games than just the scores.  Checking the ATS, how teams do on the road and the like.  Like today, MIL-TOR game.  TOR is 11-3 ATS playing at home against avg/weak teams.  At home SU, they are quite good.  TOR worth looking at for that reason as well as calculating the score/spread.  Against common opponents this year:  TOR +8.6 pts per game and MIL +0.1.  UNDER might be worth a look too.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2018 - 2:30 PM ET #19

    Thanks NevadaBet!

     

    Yeah, I'm still trying to find the right mix of factors. I'm testing a theory that the consensus picks between handicapping and the median line history is a long term winner. This is definitely a work in progress lol

    Today's Consensus Picks:

    ATL +7.5 / Under 211.5

    CHA +3.5

    BOS -2

    MIL +7.5

    CLE / MEM Over 214

    MIA +2.5

    HOU -8.5

    UTA -4.5 / Under 207

    DAL / LAL Under 223

     

     

     

     

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    Thanks NevadaBet!

     

    Yeah, I'm still trying to find the right mix of factors. I'm testing a theory that the consensus picks between handicapping and the median line history is a long term winner. This is definitely a work in progress lol

    Today's Consensus Picks:

    ATL +7.5 / Under 211.5

    CHA +3.5

    BOS -2

    MIL +7.5

    CLE / MEM Over 214

    MIA +2.5

    HOU -8.5

    UTA -4.5 / Under 207

    DAL / LAL Under 223

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2018 - 12:53 AM ET #20

    Night's Results:

    *******************

    Handicapping Method Picks: 14-7 [17-16 YTD] 51.5% moneybag

    Historical Line Data Standalone Picks: 11-9-2 [19-11-2 YTD] 63.3% moneybag

    Handicapping + Historical Data Consensus Picks: 7-4 [9-6 YTD] 60.0% moneybag

     

    Better tonight. Changed 2 variables with the handicapping. Will continue to update and track record. Combining with consensus data seems to be a strong improvement.

     

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    Night's Results:

    *******************

    Handicapping Method Picks: 14-7 [17-16 YTD] 51.5% moneybag

    Historical Line Data Standalone Picks: 11-9-2 [19-11-2 YTD] 63.3% moneybag

    Handicapping + Historical Data Consensus Picks: 7-4 [9-6 YTD] 60.0% moneybag

     

    Better tonight. Changed 2 variables with the handicapping. Will continue to update and track record. Combining with consensus data seems to be a strong improvement.

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2018 - 2:52 PM ET #21

    Today's Consensus Picks:

    ORL +9.5 / Under 216.5

    MIA -8.5

    NYL +5 / Under 211.5

     

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    Today's Consensus Picks:

    ORL +9.5 / Under 216.5

    MIA -8.5

    NYL +5 / Under 211.5

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2018 - 6:25 PM ET #22

    Strongest Play Tonight:

    BOS/NYK Under 211.5

    4 different methods of analysis all in consensus.

    BOL clover

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    Strongest Play Tonight:

    BOS/NYK Under 211.5

    4 different methods of analysis all in consensus.

    BOL clover

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2018 - 9:53 PM ET #23

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    1-4 on the day.

    Just gotta keep refining this process.....

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    an_burningbagan_burn_moneyan_getaway

    1-4 on the day.

    Just gotta keep refining this process.....

     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2018 - 12:00 PM ET #24

    Have you a method to check you methods using historical data?

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    Have you a method to check you methods using historical data?

     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2018 - 1:29 PM ET #25

    No, not at the moment. Any suggestions?

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    No, not at the moment. Any suggestions?

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