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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2014 - 2:58 PM ET #26

    Okay great.  So just flip the positions of those two constants to end up with this:
     
    (((((OBP*SLG) * 0.568) + (TAv * 0.615)) * 100) / (HITS/RUNS)
     
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    Okay great.  So just flip the positions of those two constants to end up with this:
     
    (((((OBP*SLG) * 0.568) + (TAv * 0.615)) * 100) / (HITS/RUNS)
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2014 - 3:05 AM ET #27

    Parlay:
    CHN/PHI U8.5 (-125)  UNDER
    COL/SFN O7 (-115)  OVER

    1 to win 2.37

    YTD 3-2 (5-4-1) +5.30 Units

    Going forward I will be incorporating starting pitcher data into the numbers. It shouldn't be too different, today it gave the same 2 plays.
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    Parlay:
    CHN/PHI U8.5 (-125)  UNDER
    COL/SFN O7 (-115)  OVER

    1 to win 2.37

    YTD 3-2 (5-4-1) +5.30 Units

    Going forward I will be incorporating starting pitcher data into the numbers. It shouldn't be too different, today it gave the same 2 plays.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2014 - 10:30 AM ET #28

    June 14

    Tampa Bay / Houston U8
    C. Archer/J. Cosart

    Combined - 31.36
    Total - 8

    122.90


    Texas / Seattle O7.5
    J. Saunders/E. Ramirez

    Combined - 39.20
    Total - 7.5

    204.85


    Parlay:
    TBA/HOU U8 (-125)
    TEX/SEA O7.5 (-110)

    1 to win 2.44

    YTD 3-2 (5-4-1) +5.30 Units

    Be sure to play listed pitchers rather than action, if you're following.
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    June 14

    Tampa Bay / Houston U8
    C. Archer/J. Cosart

    Combined - 31.36
    Total - 8

    122.90


    Texas / Seattle O7.5
    J. Saunders/E. Ramirez

    Combined - 39.20
    Total - 7.5

    204.85


    Parlay:
    TBA/HOU U8 (-125)
    TEX/SEA O7.5 (-110)

    1 to win 2.44

    YTD 3-2 (5-4-1) +5.30 Units

    Be sure to play listed pitchers rather than action, if you're following.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2014 - 10:43 AM ET #29

    The games are correct but the numbers are wrong.

    Should be 122.91 and 202.08
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    The games are correct but the numbers are wrong.

    Should be 122.91 and 202.08
     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2014 - 2:01 AM ET #30

    Parlay:
    TBA/HOU U8 (-125)  OVER
    TEX/SEA O7.5 (-110)  UNDER

    1 to win 2.44

    YTD 3-3 (5-6-1) +4.30 Units
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    Parlay:
    TBA/HOU U8 (-125)  OVER
    TEX/SEA O7.5 (-110)  UNDER

    1 to win 2.44

    YTD 3-3 (5-6-1) +4.30 Units
     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2014 - 11:15 AM ET #31

    June 15

    Cleveland / Boston U8.5

    Combined - 30.73
    Total - 8.5

    111.11


    Colorado / San Francisco O7

    Combined - 40.06
    Total - 7

    229.23


    Parlay:
    CLE/BOS U8.5 (+100)
    COL/SFN O7 (-115)

    1 to win 2.74

    YTD 3-3 (5-6-1) +4.30 Units
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    June 15

    Cleveland / Boston U8.5

    Combined - 30.73
    Total - 8.5

    111.11


    Colorado / San Francisco O7

    Combined - 40.06
    Total - 7

    229.23


    Parlay:
    CLE/BOS U8.5 (+100)
    COL/SFN O7 (-115)

    1 to win 2.74

    YTD 3-3 (5-6-1) +4.30 Units
     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2014 - 9:32 PM ET #32

    Parlay:
    CLE/BOS U8.5 (+100)  UNDER
    COL/SFN O7 (-115)  OVER

    1 to win 2.74

    YTD 4-3 (7-6-1) +7.04 Units
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    Parlay:
    CLE/BOS U8.5 (+100)  UNDER
    COL/SFN O7 (-115)  OVER

    1 to win 2.74

    YTD 4-3 (7-6-1) +7.04 Units
     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2014 - 9:32 PM ET #33

    Parlay:
    CLE/BOS U8.5 (+100)  UNDER
    COL/SFN O7 (-115)  OVER

    1 to win 2.74

    YTD 4-3 (7-6-1) +7.04 Units
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    Parlay:
    CLE/BOS U8.5 (+100)  UNDER
    COL/SFN O7 (-115)  OVER

    1 to win 2.74

    YTD 4-3 (7-6-1) +7.04 Units
     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2014 - 4:04 AM ET #34

    Tailed you on this. Thanks and keep up
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    Tailed you on this. Thanks and keep up
     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2014 - 11:52 AM ET #35

    June 16

    Philadelphia / Atlanta U6.5
    C. Hamels / J. Teheran

    Combined - 28.13
    Total - 6.5

    121.71


    Texas / Oakland O7.5
    C. Lewis / D. Pomeranz

    Combined - 36.95
    Total - 7.5

    182.04


    Parlay:
    PHI/ATL U6.5 (-105)
    TEX/OAK O7.5 (-115)

    1 to win 2.65

    YTD 4-3 (7-6-1) +7.04 Units
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    June 16

    Philadelphia / Atlanta U6.5
    C. Hamels / J. Teheran

    Combined - 28.13
    Total - 6.5

    121.71


    Texas / Oakland O7.5
    C. Lewis / D. Pomeranz

    Combined - 36.95
    Total - 7.5

    182.04


    Parlay:
    PHI/ATL U6.5 (-105)
    TEX/OAK O7.5 (-115)

    1 to win 2.65

    YTD 4-3 (7-6-1) +7.04 Units
     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2014 - 11:59 AM ET #36

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApLP376rI_G-dHFscThWbndUWHhCOXdjMGFIZ2VKekE&usp=sharing
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    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApLP376rI_G-dHFscThWbndUWHhCOXdjMGFIZ2VKekE&usp=sharing
     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2014 - 11:59 PM ET #37

    Parlay:
    PHI/ATL U6.5 (-105)  OVER
    TEX/OAK O7.5 (-115)  OVER

    1 to win 2.65

    YTD 4-4 (8-7-1) +6.04 Units

    For record keeping purposes of course Philadelphia and Atlanta is a loss. But as far as I'm concerned 12 innings with 2 runs scored is good enough to cash a ticket. Definitely on the right side in both these games.
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    Parlay:
    PHI/ATL U6.5 (-105)  OVER
    TEX/OAK O7.5 (-115)  OVER

    1 to win 2.65

    YTD 4-4 (8-7-1) +6.04 Units

    For record keeping purposes of course Philadelphia and Atlanta is a loss. But as far as I'm concerned 12 innings with 2 runs scored is good enough to cash a ticket. Definitely on the right side in both these games.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2014 - 1:12 AM ET #38

    Of course, the Phillies had to score those runs today, and not yesterday when we bet them and my parents were at the game... ridiculous. This system is going well tho, good work.
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    Of course, the Phillies had to score those runs today, and not yesterday when we bet them and my parents were at the game... ridiculous. This system is going well tho, good work.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2014 - 11:53 AM ET #39

    What do you think the line would have been on Under 6.5 if you were live betting that game when the bottom of the 9th started? Like -25000? Anyway, we move on.

    June 17

    New York / St. Louis U7.5

    Combined - 27.61
    Total - 7.5

    101.66


    Colorado / Los Angeles O7

    Combined - 36.26
    Total - 7

    187.80


    Parlay:
    NYN/SLN U7.5 (-120)
    COL/LAN O7 (+110)

    1 to win 2.85

    YTD 4-4 (8-7-1) +6.04 Units
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    What do you think the line would have been on Under 6.5 if you were live betting that game when the bottom of the 9th started? Like -25000? Anyway, we move on.

    June 17

    New York / St. Louis U7.5

    Combined - 27.61
    Total - 7.5

    101.66


    Colorado / Los Angeles O7

    Combined - 36.26
    Total - 7

    187.80


    Parlay:
    NYN/SLN U7.5 (-120)
    COL/LAN O7 (+110)

    1 to win 2.85

    YTD 4-4 (8-7-1) +6.04 Units
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2014 - 9:29 AM ET #40

    Parlay:
    NYN/SLN U7.5 (-120)  UNDER
    COL/LAN O7 (+110)  UNDER

    1 to win 2.85

    YTD 4-5 (9-8-1) +5.04 Units
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    Parlay:
    NYN/SLN U7.5 (-120)  UNDER
    COL/LAN O7 (+110)  UNDER

    1 to win 2.85

    YTD 4-5 (9-8-1) +5.04 Units
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2014 - 9:46 AM ET #41

    June 18

    Toronto / New York U9

    Combined - 29.58
    Total - 9

    97.20


    Colorado / Los Angeles O6.5

    Combined - 35.92
    Total - 6.5

    198.47


    Parlay:
    TOR/NYA U9 (-115)
    COL/LAN O6.5 (+100)

    1 to win 2.74

    YTD 4-5 (9-8-1) +5.04 Units
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    June 18

    Toronto / New York U9

    Combined - 29.58
    Total - 9

    97.20


    Colorado / Los Angeles O6.5

    Combined - 35.92
    Total - 6.5

    198.47


    Parlay:
    TOR/NYA U9 (-115)
    COL/LAN O6.5 (+100)

    1 to win 2.74

    YTD 4-5 (9-8-1) +5.04 Units
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2014 - 10:41 AM ET #42

    I am trying to reproduce your results...
    if this is your OU rating formula:
    (((((OBP*SLG) * 0.568) + (TAv * 0.615)) * 100) / (HITS/RUNS)

    then

    COL is 13.22 and LAD 11.74 hence conbined 24.96 only
    what do you calclulate for each team specifically?
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    I am trying to reproduce your results...
    if this is your OU rating formula:
    (((((OBP*SLG) * 0.568) + (TAv * 0.615)) * 100) / (HITS/RUNS)

    then

    COL is 13.22 and LAD 11.74 hence conbined 24.96 only
    what do you calclulate for each team specifically?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2014 - 11:26 AM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958a:

    I am trying to reproduce your results...
    if this is your OU rating formula:
    (((((OBP*SLG) * 0.568) + (TAv * 0.615)) * 100) / (HITS/RUNS)

    then

    COL is 13.22 and LAD 11.74 hence conbined 24.96 only
    what do you calclulate for each team specifically?

    1958a,

    BCap started calculating an OU Rating for each pitcher and adds that to the team OU Rating.  After that, the Team OU ratings are added together and that result is squared.  That result is then divided by the Total.

    Canis

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1958a:

    I am trying to reproduce your results...
    if this is your OU rating formula:
    (((((OBP*SLG) * 0.568) + (TAv * 0.615)) * 100) / (HITS/RUNS)

    then

    COL is 13.22 and LAD 11.74 hence conbined 24.96 only
    what do you calclulate for each team specifically?

    1958a,

    BCap started calculating an OU Rating for each pitcher and adds that to the team OU Rating.  After that, the Team OU ratings are added together and that result is squared.  That result is then divided by the Total.

    Canis

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2014 - 12:31 PM ET #44

    The pitcher rating is their ((OBP*SLG)*100)/(H/R)
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    The pitcher rating is their ((OBP*SLG)*100)/(H/R)
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2014 - 3:16 PM ET #45

    I believe these to be the correct calculations:

    Data Needed - Team Batting - Standard

    https://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1657913

    Team OU Rating = (((((OBP*SLG)*0.568)+(TAv*0.615))*100)/(H/R))

    Data Needed - Pitcher Season - Standard

    https://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1657924

    pOBP = (H+UBB+HBP)/(AB+UBB+HBP+SF)

    pSLG = TB/AB

    Pitcher OU Rating = ((pOBP*pSLG)*100)/(H/R)

    ===========

    Away OU Rating = Away Team OU Rating + Away Pitcher OU Rating
    Home OU Rating = Home Team OU Rating + Home Pitcher OU Rating

    OU Total = (Away OU Rating + Home OU Rating)^2

    OU Score = OU Total / Total

    What BCap calls 'Combined' is the sum of Away OU Rating + Home OU Rating before it is squared.

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    I believe these to be the correct calculations:

    Data Needed - Team Batting - Standard

    https://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1657913

    Team OU Rating = (((((OBP*SLG)*0.568)+(TAv*0.615))*100)/(H/R))

    Data Needed - Pitcher Season - Standard

    https://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1657924

    pOBP = (H+UBB+HBP)/(AB+UBB+HBP+SF)

    pSLG = TB/AB

    Pitcher OU Rating = ((pOBP*pSLG)*100)/(H/R)

    ===========

    Away OU Rating = Away Team OU Rating + Away Pitcher OU Rating
    Home OU Rating = Home Team OU Rating + Home Pitcher OU Rating

    OU Total = (Away OU Rating + Home OU Rating)^2

    OU Score = OU Total / Total

    What BCap calls 'Combined' is the sum of Away OU Rating + Home OU Rating before it is squared.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2014 - 3:49 PM ET #46

    Thank you very much for the info.  If I understand correctly, team hitting ability and pitcher's ability are equally weighted?

    If  this is what you apply with these formulas, you may need to consider putting a coefficient for pitchers.... I think lines are mostly determined by pitching quality

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    Thank you very much for the info.  If I understand correctly, team hitting ability and pitcher's ability are equally weighted?

    If  this is what you apply with these formulas, you may need to consider putting a coefficient for pitchers.... I think lines are mostly determined by pitching quality

    Regards
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2014 - 10:17 AM ET #47

    Parlay:
    TOR/NYA U9 (-115)  OVER
    COL/LAN O6.5 (+100)  OVER

    1 to win 2.74

    YTD 4-6 (10-9-1) +4.04 Units

    Another 1-run loser. 1-4 since using starting pitcher numbers.
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    Parlay:
    TOR/NYA U9 (-115)  OVER
    COL/LAN O6.5 (+100)  OVER

    1 to win 2.74

    YTD 4-6 (10-9-1) +4.04 Units

    Another 1-run loser. 1-4 since using starting pitcher numbers.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2014 - 10:36 AM ET #48

    June 19

    Kansas City / Detroit U8
    D. Duffy / A. Sanchez

    Combined - 29.67
    Total - 8

    110.03


    Los Angeles / Cleveland O8.5
    C. Wilson / J. Masterson

    Combined - 38.94
    Total - 8.5

    178.40


    Parlay:
    KCA/DET U8 (-115)
    ANA/CLE O8.5 (-110)

    1 to win 2.57

    YTD 4-6 (10-9-1) +4.04 Units

    1958- I'm going to work on it to figure out how much the pitcher numbers should account for. I'm also keeping a running count of what the OU Scores were for winners and losers. As you would expect the average losing Under has a higher OU Score than the average winning Under and same way with winning Overs being higher than losing ones. I'm trying to come up with a benchmark that if a game is above a certain OU Score it gets bet over and same with the Unders, rather than just picking the high and low.
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    June 19

    Kansas City / Detroit U8
    D. Duffy / A. Sanchez

    Combined - 29.67
    Total - 8

    110.03


    Los Angeles / Cleveland O8.5
    C. Wilson / J. Masterson

    Combined - 38.94
    Total - 8.5

    178.40


    Parlay:
    KCA/DET U8 (-115)
    ANA/CLE O8.5 (-110)

    1 to win 2.57

    YTD 4-6 (10-9-1) +4.04 Units

    1958- I'm going to work on it to figure out how much the pitcher numbers should account for. I'm also keeping a running count of what the OU Scores were for winners and losers. As you would expect the average losing Under has a higher OU Score than the average winning Under and same way with winning Overs being higher than losing ones. I'm trying to come up with a benchmark that if a game is above a certain OU Score it gets bet over and same with the Unders, rather than just picking the high and low.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2014 - 9:39 PM ET #49

    Parlay:
    KCA/DET U8 (-115)  UNDER
    ANA/CLE O8.5 (-110)  UNDER

    1 to win 2.57

    YTD 4-7 (11-10-1) +3.04 Units

    Close again.. However, the 178.40 for Cleveland/LA is too low to play an over on anyway.
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    Parlay:
    KCA/DET U8 (-115)  UNDER
    ANA/CLE O8.5 (-110)  UNDER

    1 to win 2.57

    YTD 4-7 (11-10-1) +3.04 Units

    Close again.. However, the 178.40 for Cleveland/LA is too low to play an over on anyway.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 11:55 AM ET #50

    June 20

    Texas / Los Angeles U8

    Combined - 32.28
    Total - 8

    130.28


    Chicago / Minnesota O9

    Combined - 42.11
    Total - 9


    197.04


    Parlay:
    TEX/ANA U8 (+110)
    CHA/MIN O9 (+100)

    1 to win 3.20

    YTD 4-7 (11-10-1) +3.04 Units
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    June 20

    Texas / Los Angeles U8

    Combined - 32.28
    Total - 8

    130.28


    Chicago / Minnesota O9

    Combined - 42.11
    Total - 9


    197.04


    Parlay:
    TEX/ANA U8 (+110)
    CHA/MIN O9 (+100)

    1 to win 3.20

    YTD 4-7 (11-10-1) +3.04 Units
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