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    CMON GUYS - JUST NEED SOME INPUT HERE - NEG OR POS

    bdarrell2011
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    bdarrell2011
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2011 - 10:28 AM ET #1

    If I have 3 separate account to place plays, all pay 20% commission if i lose. Is there a system I can use to come out ahead each week or no?? My brain is fried trying to figure it out, I just need some outside input to prove it can or cant be done.

    I am trying to figure out how to place bets strategically so that even if i have to play both sides of a game i can either catch a MIDDLE or just simply win with one book, lose with another but my commissions will exceed the difference.

    Obviously if i just made a 10,000 bet on one side and play the opposite side of the same game for 10,000 = That would mean I would win $10,000 with one book, lose $11,000 with another book, but make $2,200 back in commissions, Thus netting me $1,200 for the week GUARANTEED without having to do a thing. However, I cant just place one bet a week or they will catch on. But i cant just place a million bets going both ways cuz if i push on both accounts, the vig will eat me up.

    Is there a DOUBLE up system I could use to make this work???

    Im willing to pay someone if they can provide me with a system for this. IF IT IS POSSIBLE???

    Please give me your thoughts. Good or bad, dont care. Just want some ideas or someone to kill the idea.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    If I have 3 separate account to place plays, all pay 20% commission if i lose. Is there a system I can use to come out ahead each week or no?? My brain is fried trying to figure it out, I just need some outside input to prove it can or cant be done.

    I am trying to figure out how to place bets strategically so that even if i have to play both sides of a game i can either catch a MIDDLE or just simply win with one book, lose with another but my commissions will exceed the difference.

    Obviously if i just made a 10,000 bet on one side and play the opposite side of the same game for 10,000 = That would mean I would win $10,000 with one book, lose $11,000 with another book, but make $2,200 back in commissions, Thus netting me $1,200 for the week GUARANTEED without having to do a thing. However, I cant just place one bet a week or they will catch on. But i cant just place a million bets going both ways cuz if i push on both accounts, the vig will eat me up.

    Is there a DOUBLE up system I could use to make this work???

    Im willing to pay someone if they can provide me with a system for this. IF IT IS POSSIBLE???

    Please give me your thoughts. Good or bad, dont care. Just want some ideas or someone to kill the idea.
     
    bdarrell2011
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2011 - 10:44 AM ET #2

    The other day i was able to catch a few MLB lines that looked like this.

    u9.5 EVN
    o9.5 +105

    I played 5,000 on each side.

    The under ended up hitting, which wasnt the best scenario, but there was no vig. So one account is up 5,000 and the other is down 5,000. So I am currently looking to make $1,000 in commission so far. Im thinking this may be only way for this system to work? Just dont know how many of these situations I will catch in a week?? Or if I could find a sports odds service that would give me an accurate head up of the line move to give me additional plays like this?

    I also have a ton of 1/2 variances. So if there were enough PUSHES in the week on the games I played, I wonder if those winning on one book and pushing on another book, would have me coming out ahead for the week as well???

    I dunno? 

    Would love to hear a few more angles on this concept.
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    The other day i was able to catch a few MLB lines that looked like this.

    u9.5 EVN
    o9.5 +105

    I played 5,000 on each side.

    The under ended up hitting, which wasnt the best scenario, but there was no vig. So one account is up 5,000 and the other is down 5,000. So I am currently looking to make $1,000 in commission so far. Im thinking this may be only way for this system to work? Just dont know how many of these situations I will catch in a week?? Or if I could find a sports odds service that would give me an accurate head up of the line move to give me additional plays like this?

    I also have a ton of 1/2 variances. So if there were enough PUSHES in the week on the games I played, I wonder if those winning on one book and pushing on another book, would have me coming out ahead for the week as well???

    I dunno? 

    Would love to hear a few more angles on this concept.
     
    kkirby99
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2011 - 4:57 PM ET #3

    bd, if they close out the accounts every week and then pay commissions on that week's business and start over then you're golden.  It's not going to work that way. I think that they are going to pay you your commission on TOTAL losses for any one account which implies that there are going to be either clawbacks of previously paid commissions or there is going to be a negative commission built up on winning accounts that is going to have to be overcome before they start paying commisions. You are going to have to get positive vig on your plays to make any money like you did on your first one and then have the side hit that actually makes you money.  
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    bd, if they close out the accounts every week and then pay commissions on that week's business and start over then you're golden.  It's not going to work that way. I think that they are going to pay you your commission on TOTAL losses for any one account which implies that there are going to be either clawbacks of previously paid commissions or there is going to be a negative commission built up on winning accounts that is going to have to be overcome before they start paying commisions. You are going to have to get positive vig on your plays to make any money like you did on your first one and then have the side hit that actually makes you money.  
     
    bdarrell2011
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2011 - 8:18 PM ET #4

    No, I know what you are saying. But they have agreed to reset every week, without holding me hostage to any previous winnings! Thats for sure. I dont have to worry about that..... 

    But this is the problem.....

    EXAMPLE:

    Book A:

    Celtics Win +1000
    Lakers Loss -1100

    Chicago Win +1000
    Miami Loss -1100

    FINAL AT END OF WEEK: -200 (I Get Paid 40.00)
    NET LOSS -$160

    Book B:

    Celtics Win +1000
    Lakers Loss -1100

    Chicago Win +1000
    Miami Loss -1100

    FINAL AT END OF WEEK: -200 (I Get Paid 40.00)
    NET LOSS -$160


    I am playing BOTH sides of every bet, but since I dont know which side is going to win or lose..... So unless ALL losses go on one account and ALL wins go on another account, the vig eats up the profits.

    Now if I just place one big bet, say of $10,000 on one account and played the other side on the other account, then that would work, but of course the books are going to stop that quickly.....

    I need a system, to where I can maybe chase? Or a service that I can see line moves and try to catch some middles?? I dunno.....

    Its frustrating, cuz I know it can be done, I just dont know how....
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    No, I know what you are saying. But they have agreed to reset every week, without holding me hostage to any previous winnings! Thats for sure. I dont have to worry about that..... 

    But this is the problem.....

    EXAMPLE:

    Book A:

    Celtics Win +1000
    Lakers Loss -1100

    Chicago Win +1000
    Miami Loss -1100

    FINAL AT END OF WEEK: -200 (I Get Paid 40.00)
    NET LOSS -$160

    Book B:

    Celtics Win +1000
    Lakers Loss -1100

    Chicago Win +1000
    Miami Loss -1100

    FINAL AT END OF WEEK: -200 (I Get Paid 40.00)
    NET LOSS -$160


    I am playing BOTH sides of every bet, but since I dont know which side is going to win or lose..... So unless ALL losses go on one account and ALL wins go on another account, the vig eats up the profits.

    Now if I just place one big bet, say of $10,000 on one account and played the other side on the other account, then that would work, but of course the books are going to stop that quickly.....

    I need a system, to where I can maybe chase? Or a service that I can see line moves and try to catch some middles?? I dunno.....

    Its frustrating, cuz I know it can be done, I just dont know how....
     
    bdarrell2011
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2011 - 8:20 PM ET #5

    And Thanks for all the replies to this!! Much appreciated!!!

    Cant understand why no one else on this site bothers to put in their two cents..... Oh well....


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    And Thanks for all the replies to this!! Much appreciated!!!

    Cant understand why no one else on this site bothers to put in their two cents..... Oh well....


     
    Call82
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2011 - 7:50 AM ET #6

    Hi bd,

    I understand your "problem" and would like to add one thing right up to start with:

    Quote: The other day i was able to catch a few MLB lines that looked like this.


    u9.5 EVN
    o9.5 +105

    I played 5,000 on each side.
     
    This is the first thing that went wrong...why not bet different amounts and make sure that you get a profit, no matter what?
     
    Example: Bet $5000 on the under, bet $4.878 on the over...no matter what, you make a guarateed $122....
     
    To the rest of your problem: Just reduce the amount of games you play, this will reduce the risk of averaging out...you know what I mean? Add me here, I can give you some more examples and may be able to help out here...
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    Hi bd,

    I understand your "problem" and would like to add one thing right up to start with:

    Quote: The other day i was able to catch a few MLB lines that looked like this.


    u9.5 EVN
    o9.5 +105

    I played 5,000 on each side.
     
    This is the first thing that went wrong...why not bet different amounts and make sure that you get a profit, no matter what?
     
    Example: Bet $5000 on the under, bet $4.878 on the over...no matter what, you make a guarateed $122....
     
    To the rest of your problem: Just reduce the amount of games you play, this will reduce the risk of averaging out...you know what I mean? Add me here, I can give you some more examples and may be able to help out here...
     
     
    payday000
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2011 - 8:54 AM ET #7

    the best thing you can honestly do to make some money is try playing 2 diff types of systems .... granted it can get risky at times... using half time lines and such u can try to create big middle if you bet on one team at the start ... coupling that with your other idea may help you sustain a nice bankroll with random plays on different accounts

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    the best thing you can honestly do to make some money is try playing 2 diff types of systems .... granted it can get risky at times... using half time lines and such u can try to create big middle if you bet on one team at the start ... coupling that with your other idea may help you sustain a nice bankroll with random plays on different accounts

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