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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2007 - 11:44 AM ET #1

    Alright I got this idea from some of the Bowl Games angles in particular the one with big dogs. Play against teams favored by more than 8.5 and its even better if that favorite lost its last game straight up.....
     
    So....I applied this to the NBA for this season....
     
    I broke it down....
    home and away
    8-9 points
    9-10 points
    10-11 points
    11 or more points
     
    Here are the stats for a team that lost its last game straight up then was favored by this amount.....the results are all against the spread of course....  
     
    home                   
    -8    5-5                      
    WWWWWLLLLL                    
                             
    -9    7-4                   
    WWWWWWWLLLLL                           
                             
    -10   4-2                       
    WWWWLL                          
                               
    -11 or more     10-8              
    WWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLL                       
                              
    road                 
    -8      1-1                     
    LW                     
                              
    -9      1-0                    
    W                      
                                   
    -10  -no games                   
                             
    -11 or more   -no games             
                          
     
    Here are the stats for a team that won its last game straight up then was an underdog by this amount.....the results are all against the spread of course.... 
     
    home                28-22      
    +8   01                       
    L
                             
    +9  -no games                         
    +10 -no games   
    +11 or more    -no games           
                           
    road                  
    +8      5-9             
    WWWWLLLLLLLLL
                              
    +9       2-4             
    WWLLLL
                                   
    +10     1-4         
    WLLLL
                               
    +11 or more   2-10
    WWLLLLLLLLLL
     
     
    28-22 total as a fave
    27-9 total if you fade the dogs
     
    55-29 total.....pretty sick
     
     
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    Alright I got this idea from some of the Bowl Games angles in particular the one with big dogs. Play against teams favored by more than 8.5 and its even better if that favorite lost its last game straight up.....
     
    So....I applied this to the NBA for this season....
     
    I broke it down....
    home and away
    8-9 points
    9-10 points
    10-11 points
    11 or more points
     
    Here are the stats for a team that lost its last game straight up then was favored by this amount.....the results are all against the spread of course....  
     
    home                   
    -8    5-5                      
    WWWWWLLLLL                    
                             
    -9    7-4                   
    WWWWWWWLLLLL                           
                             
    -10   4-2                       
    WWWWLL                          
                               
    -11 or more     10-8              
    WWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLL                       
                              
    road                 
    -8      1-1                     
    LW                     
                              
    -9      1-0                    
    W                      
                                   
    -10  -no games                   
                             
    -11 or more   -no games             
                          
     
    Here are the stats for a team that won its last game straight up then was an underdog by this amount.....the results are all against the spread of course.... 
     
    home                28-22      
    +8   01                       
    L
                             
    +9  -no games                         
    +10 -no games   
    +11 or more    -no games           
                           
    road                  
    +8      5-9             
    WWWWLLLLLLLLL
                              
    +9       2-4             
    WWLLLL
                                   
    +10     1-4         
    WLLLL
                               
    +11 or more   2-10
    WWLLLLLLLLLL
     
     
    28-22 total as a fave
    27-9 total if you fade the dogs
     
    55-29 total.....pretty sick
     
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2007 - 11:46 AM ET #2

    Saturday, Dec. 29th
     
    Dallas -9
    Washington -8.5
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    Saturday, Dec. 29th
     
    Dallas -9
    Washington -8.5
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2007 - 12:16 PM ET #3

    OKAY.....just did the NFL for the season
     
    Home Faves 8-10
    Raod Faves 1-2
     
    Home Dogs 3-0
    Road Dogs 4-12
     
     
    hmmmmmmmmmmmm........makes me thing fading the road dogs is the way to go.....
    28-22 in the NBA is not great butt has a small profit of +3.8 units...
     
     
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    OKAY.....just did the NFL for the season
     
    Home Faves 8-10
    Raod Faves 1-2
     
    Home Dogs 3-0
    Road Dogs 4-12
     
     
    hmmmmmmmmmmmm........makes me thing fading the road dogs is the way to go.....
    28-22 in the NBA is not great butt has a small profit of +3.8 units...
     
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2007 - 2:09 PM ET #4

    I have a strange system which defies explanation.  I was tempted to take Washington today also, but I think there is some reverse line movement in that one.
     
    I'm not someone who is obsessed with that RLM theory, but I think it has some merit, so I passed on that one.
     
    good luck, I'll be watching this system closely.
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    I have a strange system which defies explanation.  I was tempted to take Washington today also, but I think there is some reverse line movement in that one.
     
    I'm not someone who is obsessed with that RLM theory, but I think it has some merit, so I passed on that one.
     
    good luck, I'll be watching this system closely.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2007 - 6:53 PM ET #5

    very nice
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    very nice
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2007 - 11:19 AM ET #6

    29-22 total as a fave
    28-9 total if you fade the dogs
     
     
    1 one for today...not playing but tracking
    Spurs -11.5
     
     
    NFL.....2 games today that are dogs fades
    Browns -11.5
    Redskins -9
     
     
    Home Faves 8-10
    Raod Dogs 1-2
     
    Home Dogs 4-0
    Road Dogs 4-12
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    29-22 total as a fave
    28-9 total if you fade the dogs
     
     
    1 one for today...not playing but tracking
    Spurs -11.5
     
     
    NFL.....2 games today that are dogs fades
    Browns -11.5
    Redskins -9
     
     
    Home Faves 8-10
    Raod Dogs 1-2
     
    Home Dogs 4-0
    Road Dogs 4-12
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2007 - 1:05 PM ET #7

    2002 Totals for the NFL
     
    Home Faves 4-10-1
    Road Faves 0-1
    Home Dogs 1-0
    Road Dogs 2-8-1
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    2002 Totals for the NFL
     
    Home Faves 4-10-1
    Road Faves 0-1
    Home Dogs 1-0
    Road Dogs 2-8-1
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2007 - 11:22 PM ET #8

    It seems to be producing good results, keep up the good work
     
    Happy 2008
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    It seems to be producing good results, keep up the good work
     
    Happy 2008
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2007 - 7:39 PM ET #9

    not picks today
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    not picks today
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2007 - 7:41 PM ET #10

    no picks today sorry still drinking here
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    no picks today sorry still drinking here
     
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    Posted: Jan. 1, 2008 - 11:33 PM ET #11

    UGH....just ran the numbers for 06-07 in the NBA
     
    Home Faves 44-58
    Road Faves 1-1
    Home Dogs 1-5
    Road Dogs 42-40-1
     
     
    I plan on checking another year or two back to see if this seems like a fluke so far this year or hopefully 06-07 season was a fluke...back in a day or two with the results...
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    UGH....just ran the numbers for 06-07 in the NBA
     
    Home Faves 44-58
    Road Faves 1-1
    Home Dogs 1-5
    Road Dogs 42-40-1
     
     
    I plan on checking another year or two back to see if this seems like a fluke so far this year or hopefully 06-07 season was a fluke...back in a day or two with the results...
     
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    Posted: Jan. 3, 2008 - 3:25 PM ET #12

    Interesting
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2008 - 3:07 PM ET #13

    here's some good reading by a stanford grad, it mainly deals with big nba favs
     
    https://www-econ.stanford.edu/academics/Honors_Theses/Theses_2007/Gibbs2007.pdf
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    here's some good reading by a stanford grad, it mainly deals with big nba favs
     
    https://www-econ.stanford.edu/academics/Honors_Theses/Theses_2007/Gibbs2007.pdf
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by 3825]
    here's some good reading by a stanford grad, it mainly deals with big nba favs
     
    https://www-econ.stanford.edu/academics/Honors_Theses/Theses_2007/Gibbs2007.pd
     
     
     
    Excellent read. Thanks for providing the link. Of course I tend to disagree with his conclusions as there are many other reasons why a team way ahead (as large favs figure to be) let up at the end of a game. The winning bench players don't have time to break a sweat which puts them at a big disadvantage compared to the losing starters who are in to the flow of the game. This seems to be a more likely reason for the results discovered then fixing of pointspreads IMHO.
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by 3825]
    here's some good reading by a stanford grad, it mainly deals with big nba favs
     
    https://www-econ.stanford.edu/academics/Honors_Theses/Theses_2007/Gibbs2007.pd
     
     
     
    Excellent read. Thanks for providing the link. Of course I tend to disagree with his conclusions as there are many other reasons why a team way ahead (as large favs figure to be) let up at the end of a game. The winning bench players don't have time to break a sweat which puts them at a big disadvantage compared to the losing starters who are in to the flow of the game. This seems to be a more likely reason for the results discovered then fixing of pointspreads IMHO.
     
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    the part that had me thinking was his theory that the "gamlbing public" compensated for other situations, and thus the lines shifted accordingly.  that being said, i think with basketball or baseball over a period of several years, it's quite possible to always find stats that lead to theories of this nature.  i'm not sold, especially with the infrequent nature that this guy has described.  not exactly a huge sample of games.
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    the part that had me thinking was his theory that the "gamlbing public" compensated for other situations, and thus the lines shifted accordingly.  that being said, i think with basketball or baseball over a period of several years, it's quite possible to always find stats that lead to theories of this nature.  i'm not sold, especially with the infrequent nature that this guy has described.  not exactly a huge sample of games.
     
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    Another thing I think Prof Gibbs neglected to consider is that non top tier teams had almost as much trouble covering 8,9 or 10 point spreads on the road. This would lead me to the conclusion that it is not so much the exact pt-spread that is the main factor but the abilities of a given team to deal with adversities of playing on the road. Remember that a good number of years ago freshman were not allowed to participate in varsity ball. Since freshman eligibility's are now non restricted (due to greedy colleges who are more interested in making money then providing a decent education) you would expect teams to perform better at home then on the road as compared to years ago. Especially if that team were playing freshman point guards. This fact is borne out by statistical analysis as being true. All these factors mitigate against pt-spread shaving to be the reason for the results he obtained in his study.
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    Another thing I think Prof Gibbs neglected to consider is that non top tier teams had almost as much trouble covering 8,9 or 10 point spreads on the road. This would lead me to the conclusion that it is not so much the exact pt-spread that is the main factor but the abilities of a given team to deal with adversities of playing on the road. Remember that a good number of years ago freshman were not allowed to participate in varsity ball. Since freshman eligibility's are now non restricted (due to greedy colleges who are more interested in making money then providing a decent education) you would expect teams to perform better at home then on the road as compared to years ago. Especially if that team were playing freshman point guards. This fact is borne out by statistical analysis as being true. All these factors mitigate against pt-spread shaving to be the reason for the results he obtained in his study.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2008 - 3:00 AM ET #17

    hey powerade when you say the team that won SU do you mean as dogs or just any win?
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    hey powerade when you say the team that won SU do you mean as dogs or just any win?
     
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    Straight Up,  the team won the game, does not take any spread into acount.  a teams SU record is identical to their record in the standings.
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    Straight Up,  the team won the game, does not take any spread into acount.  a teams SU record is identical to their record in the standings.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2008 - 8:42 PM ET #19

    yea im not sure about this i checked back into 2005 and it wasn't looking good....seems like a fluke
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    yea im not sure about this i checked back into 2005 and it wasn't looking good....seems like a fluke
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