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    donfernando
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2014 - 9:53 AM ET #1

    to the expert chasers, who have been succesfull for any complete season of nba or mlb, what percent of you bankroll you put in your A bet????
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    to the expert chasers, who have been succesfull for any complete season of nba or mlb, what percent of you bankroll you put in your A bet????
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2014 - 12:57 PM ET #2

    Let me start by saying that I am not a successful chaser because I always give up when I go deep into a chase.  Because of that I have decided to begin my next chase (Hat's baseball chase) with 400 units. That way I will not stress when going deep into the chase.  I will also begin with an embarrassingly low unit amount and increase 25% every time I go up 50 units.  It might be a little slow for some, but for me it will keep me going without giving up.
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    Let me start by saying that I am not a successful chaser because I always give up when I go deep into a chase.  Because of that I have decided to begin my next chase (Hat's baseball chase) with 400 units. That way I will not stress when going deep into the chase.  I will also begin with an embarrassingly low unit amount and increase 25% every time I go up 50 units.  It might be a little slow for some, but for me it will keep me going without giving up.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2014 - 4:28 PM ET #3

    it all depends on what system you are betting on. factors include:
    - number of games in a series (3 games like Dan's MLB RPI, 4 games like Cisco's 5 run game, 5 games like bD's Magna Carta or 6 games like Jeff's new system) 
    - average odds per game 
    - number of chases per system at the same time
    - number of systems playing at the same time

    Here is a breakdown of losses per game if the odds are -110 and -140
    Game 1 = -110 / -140
    Game 2 = -341 / -476
    Game 3 = -826 / -1282
    Game 4 = -1845 / -3218
    Game 5 = -3984 / -7863
    Game 6 = -8477 / -19010

    Jeff had a great O/U MLB system last year. I liked it because the lines were close to -110 and my game 4 (if it got to game 4) i was only risking 16-20 units. A game 4 in other systems with higher lines would require risking alot more units, decreasing the % of your bank roll required per bet. 

    People say 1-2% is a good starting point.

    Also, increasing your bet amount could be risky if a system suffers a loss. it may be 60-0, you get greedy & increase your unit size, all of a sudden you suffer a loss. the loss may wipe our all of your profits, while those who have stayed with their original bet amount will still be plus money. 

    Rule #1 of chasing is to always protect your bankroll. 
    That's why I use aggressive labby lines and i never increase my unit size for a system. 

    Also, once MLB season starts, this forum will be flooded with people saying that they found a good system. Make sure you see their numbers from the past seasons to ensure they didn't simply find a trend that worked for a year or two. 
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    it all depends on what system you are betting on. factors include:
    - number of games in a series (3 games like Dan's MLB RPI, 4 games like Cisco's 5 run game, 5 games like bD's Magna Carta or 6 games like Jeff's new system) 
    - average odds per game 
    - number of chases per system at the same time
    - number of systems playing at the same time

    Here is a breakdown of losses per game if the odds are -110 and -140
    Game 1 = -110 / -140
    Game 2 = -341 / -476
    Game 3 = -826 / -1282
    Game 4 = -1845 / -3218
    Game 5 = -3984 / -7863
    Game 6 = -8477 / -19010

    Jeff had a great O/U MLB system last year. I liked it because the lines were close to -110 and my game 4 (if it got to game 4) i was only risking 16-20 units. A game 4 in other systems with higher lines would require risking alot more units, decreasing the % of your bank roll required per bet. 

    People say 1-2% is a good starting point.

    Also, increasing your bet amount could be risky if a system suffers a loss. it may be 60-0, you get greedy & increase your unit size, all of a sudden you suffer a loss. the loss may wipe our all of your profits, while those who have stayed with their original bet amount will still be plus money. 

    Rule #1 of chasing is to always protect your bankroll. 
    That's why I use aggressive labby lines and i never increase my unit size for a system. 

    Also, once MLB season starts, this forum will be flooded with people saying that they found a good system. Make sure you see their numbers from the past seasons to ensure they didn't simply find a trend that worked for a year or two. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2014 - 9:45 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Kababayan:

    Let me start by saying that I am not a successful chaser because I always give up when I go deep into a chase.  Because of that I have decided to begin my next chase (Hat's baseball chase) with 400 units. That way I will not stress when going deep into the chase.  I will also begin with an embarrassingly low unit amount and increase 25% every time I go up 50 units.  It might be a little slow for some, but for me it will keep me going without giving up.

    you are going to play a 6 game baseball chase with odds of -140 with only 400 units ?...you will be broke after game 5..then what ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kababayan:

    Let me start by saying that I am not a successful chaser because I always give up when I go deep into a chase.  Because of that I have decided to begin my next chase (Hat's baseball chase) with 400 units. That way I will not stress when going deep into the chase.  I will also begin with an embarrassingly low unit amount and increase 25% every time I go up 50 units.  It might be a little slow for some, but for me it will keep me going without giving up.

    you are going to play a 6 game baseball chase with odds of -140 with only 400 units ?...you will be broke after game 5..then what ?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2014 - 11:39 AM ET #5

    I have also been interested in chases. I have read a few threads but since this is all new to me I still had some questions.
    If I bet $25 per unit what do you recommend I need in order to make it through alive in a chase system?

    Q2 If you are playing a chase and go through to the last game and end with a win, are you only winning your original 1 unit you wagered in game 1?

    Any help/insight is appreciated!
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    I have also been interested in chases. I have read a few threads but since this is all new to me I still had some questions.
    If I bet $25 per unit what do you recommend I need in order to make it through alive in a chase system?

    Q2 If you are playing a chase and go through to the last game and end with a win, are you only winning your original 1 unit you wagered in game 1?

    Any help/insight is appreciated!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2014 - 9:42 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by lmwdrk:

    I have also been interested in chases. I have read a few threads but since this is all new to me I still had some questions.
    If I bet $25 per unit what do you recommend I need in order to make it through alive in a chase system?

    Q2 If you are playing a chase and go through to the last game and end with a win, are you only winning your original 1 unit you wagered in game 1?Any help/insight is appreciated!



    Yes, you are chasing to win 1 unit,  So, no matter what game of the chase you win on, you will still win 1 unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lmwdrk:

    I have also been interested in chases. I have read a few threads but since this is all new to me I still had some questions.
    If I bet $25 per unit what do you recommend I need in order to make it through alive in a chase system?

    Q2 If you are playing a chase and go through to the last game and end with a win, are you only winning your original 1 unit you wagered in game 1?Any help/insight is appreciated!



    Yes, you are chasing to win 1 unit,  So, no matter what game of the chase you win on, you will still win 1 unit.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 16, 2014 - 12:10 AM ET #7

    thanks very much for your info guys, keep feeding me


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    thanks very much for your info guys, keep feeding me


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:


    you are going to play a 6 game baseball chase with odds of -140 with only 400 units ?...you will be broke after game 5..then what ?

    Lmao, such exaggeration or don't know math. At -150 each game,  after 5 losses you would be down 96.70 units, a far cry from 400! Thx for your input though it's always held in the highest regard. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by neilsy25:


    you are going to play a 6 game baseball chase with odds of -140 with only 400 units ?...you will be broke after game 5..then what ?

    Lmao, such exaggeration or don't know math. At -150 each game,  after 5 losses you would be down 96.70 units, a far cry from 400! Thx for your input though it's always held in the highest regard. 
     
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    mao, such exaggeration or don't know math. At -150 each game,  after 5 losses you would be down 96.70 units, a far cry from 400! Thx for your input though it's always held in the highest regard

    me thjinks you uses some kind of foreign math system

    arent you doubling up your bets after a loss when chasing?

    SO if each game is a chalk average of -140  and you have a $400 bank

    start with 3% of bank per day NOT per game PER day

    that's $12  correct?

    and you said their will be multiple chases going on per day how many to be determined!!!

    uuuuuuummmmmm what offshore sports book for USA clients accepts $2 bets?>??

    NONE that i know of right now.

    so - 140 odds means $14 to win 10$  or $7 to win 5$ correct?

    lets do it by $14 to win $10 

    1st game of chase LOSE  - $14
    2nd game of chase LOSE $28  total negative = $42 
    3rd game of chase  LOSE $56  Now neg. = $98
    4th game of chase LOSE  $112  now minus $210
    5th game of chase  LOSE $224 now minus $434

    whooooopsie wait a min here we only had $400 in account so your last bet was only $190

    time to re up

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    mao, such exaggeration or don't know math. At -150 each game,  after 5 losses you would be down 96.70 units, a far cry from 400! Thx for your input though it's always held in the highest regard

    me thjinks you uses some kind of foreign math system

    arent you doubling up your bets after a loss when chasing?

    SO if each game is a chalk average of -140  and you have a $400 bank

    start with 3% of bank per day NOT per game PER day

    that's $12  correct?

    and you said their will be multiple chases going on per day how many to be determined!!!

    uuuuuuummmmmm what offshore sports book for USA clients accepts $2 bets?>??

    NONE that i know of right now.

    so - 140 odds means $14 to win 10$  or $7 to win 5$ correct?

    lets do it by $14 to win $10 

    1st game of chase LOSE  - $14
    2nd game of chase LOSE $28  total negative = $42 
    3rd game of chase  LOSE $56  Now neg. = $98
    4th game of chase LOSE  $112  now minus $210
    5th game of chase  LOSE $224 now minus $434

    whooooopsie wait a min here we only had $400 in account so your last bet was only $190

    time to re up

     
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    5Dimes accepts $1 wagers and less on parlays! 
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    5Dimes accepts $1 wagers and less on parlays! 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeyoulosers:

    mao, such exaggeration or don't know math. At -150 each game,  after 5 losses you would be down 96.70 units, a far cry from 400! Thx for your input though it's always held in the highest regard

    me thjinks you uses some kind of foreign math system

    arent you doubling up your bets after a loss when chasing?

    SO if each game is a chalk average of -140  and you have a $400 bank

    start with 3% of bank per day NOT per game PER day

    that's $12  correct?

    and you said their will be multiple chases going on per day how many to be determined!!!

    uuuuuuummmmmm what offshore sports book for USA clients accepts $2 bets?>??

    NONE that i know of right now.

    so - 140 odds means $14 to win 10$  or $7 to win 5$ correct?

    lets do it by $14 to win $10 

    1st game of chase LOSE  - $14
    2nd game of chase LOSE $28  total negative = $42 
    3rd game of chase  LOSE $56  Now neg. = $98
    4th game of chase LOSE  $112  now minus $210
    5th game of chase  LOSE $224 now minus $434

    whooooopsie wait a min here we only had $400 in account so your last bet was only $190

    time to re up


    Here we go again, you must think every chase goes to the E or F game. Well if you read the threads if I remember correctly it goes to E or F 1% of the time so in a season about 7 times. Unless it happens in first week or 2 which never happened you would have no problems. It hits the A & B game about 84% you'd be up plenty of units to survive. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeyoulosers:

    mao, such exaggeration or don't know math. At -150 each game,  after 5 losses you would be down 96.70 units, a far cry from 400! Thx for your input though it's always held in the highest regard

    me thjinks you uses some kind of foreign math system

    arent you doubling up your bets after a loss when chasing?

    SO if each game is a chalk average of -140  and you have a $400 bank

    start with 3% of bank per day NOT per game PER day

    that's $12  correct?

    and you said their will be multiple chases going on per day how many to be determined!!!

    uuuuuuummmmmm what offshore sports book for USA clients accepts $2 bets?>??

    NONE that i know of right now.

    so - 140 odds means $14 to win 10$  or $7 to win 5$ correct?

    lets do it by $14 to win $10 

    1st game of chase LOSE  - $14
    2nd game of chase LOSE $28  total negative = $42 
    3rd game of chase  LOSE $56  Now neg. = $98
    4th game of chase LOSE  $112  now minus $210
    5th game of chase  LOSE $224 now minus $434

    whooooopsie wait a min here we only had $400 in account so your last bet was only $190

    time to re up


    Here we go again, you must think every chase goes to the E or F game. Well if you read the threads if I remember correctly it goes to E or F 1% of the time so in a season about 7 times. Unless it happens in first week or 2 which never happened you would have no problems. It hits the A & B game about 84% you'd be up plenty of units to survive. 
     
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    BetOnline $1 Minimum

    That's 2 already. A couple more than zero.
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    BetOnline $1 Minimum

    That's 2 already. A couple more than zero.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2014 - 11:49 PM ET #13

    Personally... at the start of any season I decide my base unit to win for each bet during that season.. that will always be 0.5% of my bankroll at that time. It will not change for the entire season. 

    I run 3 systems during NHL season and 3 systems during MLB season.. 2 that contain multiple chases.. and one that has maximum 1 chase a day. Mind you, each of the systems I use generate between 40 to 60 units each. So I don't use 2 or 3 systems that generates 100 units each as that would be too much in play.

    My aim is to protect my bankroll from a down season...hence 3 systems that generate a medium amount of units, so if one is down then the other 2 can pick up. Apart from the first 12 months experimenting with systems I haven't had an issues since. I am always on the lookout for new systems or to improve etc..

    I have experimented with different MM strategies and have found aggressive labby to be the most effective for me personally. I hate martingale.. too stressful for me and too much money in play, plus 1 or 2 losses can ruin a season.

    Anyways, that's my 2 cents..

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    Personally... at the start of any season I decide my base unit to win for each bet during that season.. that will always be 0.5% of my bankroll at that time. It will not change for the entire season. 

    I run 3 systems during NHL season and 3 systems during MLB season.. 2 that contain multiple chases.. and one that has maximum 1 chase a day. Mind you, each of the systems I use generate between 40 to 60 units each. So I don't use 2 or 3 systems that generates 100 units each as that would be too much in play.

    My aim is to protect my bankroll from a down season...hence 3 systems that generate a medium amount of units, so if one is down then the other 2 can pick up. Apart from the first 12 months experimenting with systems I haven't had an issues since. I am always on the lookout for new systems or to improve etc..

    I have experimented with different MM strategies and have found aggressive labby to be the most effective for me personally. I hate martingale.. too stressful for me and too much money in play, plus 1 or 2 losses can ruin a season.

    Anyways, that's my 2 cents..

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2014 - 11:51 PM ET #14

    Oh, disclaimer... I am far from an expert chaser.. just an average guy learning and improving like most others here. The more you read and research the better....I love the search function on this site...
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    Oh, disclaimer... I am far from an expert chaser.. just an average guy learning and improving like most others here. The more you read and research the better....I love the search function on this site...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2014 - 7:19 AM ET #15

    Minimum on Pinnacle depends on the line, but it is usually to win $1.
    Matchbook doesn't have a minimum. You can bet $0.01 if you want.
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    Minimum on Pinnacle depends on the line, but it is usually to win $1.
    Matchbook doesn't have a minimum. You can bet $0.01 if you want.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2014 - 9:28 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by fadeyoulosers:

     

    SO if each game is a chalk average of -140  and you have a $400 bank

    He said his bankroll was 400 UNITS, not dollars.

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    uuuuuuummmmmm what offshore sports book for USA clients accepts $2 bets?>??

    NONE that i know of right now.





    Quite a few offer this.  Once again, the misinformation you spread in this forum is just mind boggling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeyoulosers:

     

    SO if each game is a chalk average of -140  and you have a $400 bank

    He said his bankroll was 400 UNITS, not dollars.

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    uuuuuuummmmmm what offshore sports book for USA clients accepts $2 bets?>??

    NONE that i know of right now.





    Quite a few offer this.  Once again, the misinformation you spread in this forum is just mind boggling.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2014 - 10:23 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by fadeyoulosers:

    QUOTE HAT Here we go again, you must think every chase goes to the E or F game. Well if you read the threads if I remember correctly it goes to E or F 1% of the time so in a season about 7 times. Unless it happens in first week or 2 which never happened you would have no problems. It hits the A & B game about 84% you'd be up plenty of units to survive.

    Hello MC Fly is anybody Home ? I never said every game dolt!

    I said this will wipe out any $400 bank or severly destroy your profits

    Internet accounts: 5Dimes
    • 50¢ minimum on all exotic wagers
    • 50¢ straight bet minimum

    OK 50 Cents LMAO i wouldnt even waste my time betting .50 cents

    400 units you said ok 400 X .50 cents means $200 bank

    i guess next units you say will be .01 cent right?


    LMFAO whatever go ahead and bet with pennies




    I'm sure nobody bets .50 on a game. We are just pointing out that you made another false statement. The thing is I bet you wish you bet .50 cents a game so you wouldn't be down so much at the end of the season. If you bet the way you have told pople on your treads what too do there isn't anyway you dont lose your behind every season! People who bet big money just lose big money. Only about 3% of pople in reality win over a long period of time. Long meaning 5 years or more.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeyoulosers:

    QUOTE HAT Here we go again, you must think every chase goes to the E or F game. Well if you read the threads if I remember correctly it goes to E or F 1% of the time so in a season about 7 times. Unless it happens in first week or 2 which never happened you would have no problems. It hits the A & B game about 84% you'd be up plenty of units to survive.

    Hello MC Fly is anybody Home ? I never said every game dolt!

    I said this will wipe out any $400 bank or severly destroy your profits

    Internet accounts: 5Dimes
    • 50¢ minimum on all exotic wagers
    • 50¢ straight bet minimum

    OK 50 Cents LMAO i wouldnt even waste my time betting .50 cents

    400 units you said ok 400 X .50 cents means $200 bank

    i guess next units you say will be .01 cent right?


    LMFAO whatever go ahead and bet with pennies




    I'm sure nobody bets .50 on a game. We are just pointing out that you made another false statement. The thing is I bet you wish you bet .50 cents a game so you wouldn't be down so much at the end of the season. If you bet the way you have told pople on your treads what too do there isn't anyway you dont lose your behind every season! People who bet big money just lose big money. Only about 3% of pople in reality win over a long period of time. Long meaning 5 years or more.  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2014 - 10:29 AM ET #18

    Question, what's better betting $200 a game using straight bets and hitting 54% for 500 plays ( which there isn't a snowballs chance in hell fadeyoulosers does) or betting a chase system that goes 500-0 for a season betting to win $10 a unit? 

    This is using -110 for sake of argument.
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    Question, what's better betting $200 a game using straight bets and hitting 54% for 500 plays ( which there isn't a snowballs chance in hell fadeyoulosers does) or betting a chase system that goes 500-0 for a season betting to win $10 a unit? 

    This is using -110 for sake of argument.
     
     
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