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    BuckeyeKaptn
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2015 - 9:51 AM ET #1

    I've been tinkering around with a way to avoid playing that huge C, D, or even E bet on chase systems.  I believe I have a way out of it.  I imagine that most people that follow in forums play more than one chase.  Basically, I'm flat betting each day and adjusting my unit amount to the next day.  After a certain amount of winnings, I pull out a percentage of my starting bankroll, and bank it...never to be used again.
    Next post has a copy of the backtest I used.  I just hope it comes out looking okay.  It is from MLB 2013.  I used Rizz's chase, Rotation Play, and 2 others I was looking at: Play dog if O/U is 9 or less, and Low Scoring Home Win, chase 3gs.
    The starting bankroll was 100 and I used 5% (5), as my starting unit.  When I hit 25% of my starting BR (25) I pulled it out and banked it.  Using the 5% for units, example would if my BR was at 110, my unit was 5.5.  
    When I had a game that 2 chases were against each other, it was a no play.  If it was 2 against 1, I played the 2.
    Below on the right column, is the amount each day won or lost, and below that, the next day's wager size.
    This was from Apr 1st to Apr 8th.  Starting on Apr 9th, I was playing with house money.
    I hope the excel looks good so you can read it clearly.
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    I've been tinkering around with a way to avoid playing that huge C, D, or even E bet on chase systems.  I believe I have a way out of it.  I imagine that most people that follow in forums play more than one chase.  Basically, I'm flat betting each day and adjusting my unit amount to the next day.  After a certain amount of winnings, I pull out a percentage of my starting bankroll, and bank it...never to be used again.
    Next post has a copy of the backtest I used.  I just hope it comes out looking okay.  It is from MLB 2013.  I used Rizz's chase, Rotation Play, and 2 others I was looking at: Play dog if O/U is 9 or less, and Low Scoring Home Win, chase 3gs.
    The starting bankroll was 100 and I used 5% (5), as my starting unit.  When I hit 25% of my starting BR (25) I pulled it out and banked it.  Using the 5% for units, example would if my BR was at 110, my unit was 5.5.  
    When I had a game that 2 chases were against each other, it was a no play.  If it was 2 against 1, I played the 2.
    Below on the right column, is the amount each day won or lost, and below that, the next day's wager size.
    This was from Apr 1st to Apr 8th.  Starting on Apr 9th, I was playing with house money.
    I hope the excel looks good so you can read it clearly.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2015 - 9:53 AM ET #2

    2 v 1, play 2 100.00 5.67
    H Line A Line #1 D9 Hat #2 Rizz Low Scor H W 3g 113.46 100
    W 149 L -162 100 L x 5.00
    W -106 L -102
    W -103 L -105
    W -137 L 126 100 5.00
    L -113 W 104 100 5.00
    W -148 L 136 -150 1 x
    W -148 L 136 100 1 5.00
    L 160 W -174 1 5.00
    W -145 L 134 -170 1 x
    L -108 W 100 100 5.00
    L -116 W 107 100 5.00
    L -125 W 115 100 5.00
    W -249 L 227 L 1 x 25.00 35.00

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    2 v 1, play 2 100.00 5.67
    H Line A Line #1 D9 Hat #2 Rizz Low Scor H W 3g 113.46 100
    W 149 L -162 100 L x 5.00
    W -106 L -102
    W -103 L -105
    W -137 L 126 100 5.00
    L -113 W 104 100 5.00
    W -148 L 136 -150 1 x
    W -148 L 136 100 1 5.00
    L 160 W -174 1 5.00
    W -145 L 134 -170 1 x
    L -108 W 100 100 5.00
    L -116 W 107 100 5.00
    L -125 W 115 100 5.00
    W -249 L 227 L 1 x 25.00 35.00

     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2015 - 9:55 AM ET #3

    Okay, I couldn't do it.  The above was from April 1st...and I still had to leave the team names and scoring out of it.
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    Okay, I couldn't do it.  The above was from April 1st...and I still had to leave the team names and scoring out of it.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2015 - 9:56 AM ET #4

        L 
      1         6.15  
              6.15  
            6.15  
              6.15  
              x  
    L           -10.64   13.96
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        L 
      1         6.15  
              6.15  
            6.15  
              6.15  
              x  
    L           -10.64   13.96
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2015 - 9:56 AM ET #5

    W -106 L -102 6.20
    W -147 L 136 -180 -11.16
    W -139 L 128 -170 1 x
    W -119 L 110 100 6.20
    L 155 W -168
    L -128 W 118 100 6.20
    L -136 W 126 100 6.20
    W 135 L -146 100 6.20
    W -140 L 129 -1.75 -10.85
    L -119 W 110 100 6.20
    W -146 L 135 -165 -10.23
    W -132 L 122 -190 -11.78
    W -130 L 120 100 1 6.20
    L -170 W 156 L -10.54
    W -230 L 210 L 1 x -17.36

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    W -106 L -102 6.20
    W -147 L 136 -180 -11.16
    W -139 L 128 -170 1 x
    W -119 L 110 100 6.20
    L 155 W -168
    L -128 W 118 100 6.20
    L -136 W 126 100 6.20
    W 135 L -146 100 6.20
    W -140 L 129 -1.75 -10.85
    L -119 W 110 100 6.20
    W -146 L 135 -165 -10.23
    W -132 L 122 -190 -11.78
    W -130 L 120 100 1 6.20
    L -170 W 156 L -10.54
    W -230 L 210 L 1 x -17.36

     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2015 - 10:04 AM ET #6

    I give up. Go here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f1Ga7oMm-MCX7btRwYC8qlVMaHq-ZjS8Z6x5PUC4-LQ/edit#gid=0

    Col O, is the wagers, Col P is where I removed the 25 from the BR, Col Q is the amount won/loss that day, and the coming days unit size.
    Up top, O1 is starting BR, O2 is current BR, P1 is current days unit size, P2 is current amount banked.

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    I give up. Go here:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f1Ga7oMm-MCX7btRwYC8qlVMaHq-ZjS8Z6x5PUC4-LQ/edit#gid=0

    Col O, is the wagers, Col P is where I removed the 25 from the BR, Col Q is the amount won/loss that day, and the coming days unit size.
    Up top, O1 is starting BR, O2 is current BR, P1 is current days unit size, P2 is current amount banked.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2015 - 11:17 AM ET #7

    Need Permission to access the spreadsheet! Please Fix Thanks
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    Need Permission to access the spreadsheet! Please Fix Thanks
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2015 - 11:17 AM ET #8

    Thought I did...THIS link!!
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f1Ga7oMm-MCX7btRwYC8qlVMaHq-ZjS8Z6x5PUC4-LQ/edit?usp=sharing
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    Thought I did...THIS link!!
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f1Ga7oMm-MCX7btRwYC8qlVMaHq-ZjS8Z6x5PUC4-LQ/edit?usp=sharing
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2015 - 11:36 AM ET #9

    I have now updated the spreadsheet from Apr 8th when we started to playing with house money to Apr 30th.  Since then, I have banked 275 with 112.18 as a BR.  Profit of 287.18 in one month.  This with 4 systems, 2 of which I kinda just put out there on a spreadsheet.
    When the season starts, I don't plan on using these exact systems.  They were for an example...although the O/U Dog play is interesting. 
    I plan on playing the Rotation play, Rizz, Cisco and Barts, and Dan's parlay system.
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    I have now updated the spreadsheet from Apr 8th when we started to playing with house money to Apr 30th.  Since then, I have banked 275 with 112.18 as a BR.  Profit of 287.18 in one month.  This with 4 systems, 2 of which I kinda just put out there on a spreadsheet.
    When the season starts, I don't plan on using these exact systems.  They were for an example...although the O/U Dog play is interesting. 
    I plan on playing the Rotation play, Rizz, Cisco and Barts, and Dan's parlay system.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2015 - 5:54 PM ET #10

    Spreadsheet is confusing, What is it suppose to show?
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    Spreadsheet is confusing, What is it suppose to show?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2015 - 5:02 PM ET #11

    To start: Col A & C...teams with B being the date.  
    Col D is the score, based on the home team.  
    Col E & F are the MLs based on Home/Away...E being the home team.  
    Col G is the non chase system of playing a dog RL if the O/U is 9 or under....100 being a win, and the -(~150) a loss.  
    Col H is the Rotation play...dog RL.  Win is a 100, loss being -(~150). 
    Cols I,J,K are the Rizz's system, Game A being Col I etc.  
    Cols L,M,N is a Low Scoring Home Dog W chase I was messing with.  Col L being Game A etc.
    Col O, except for 2 first rows, are the bets won or lost, x being no bet as 2 systems went against each other.
    Col P, except for 2 first rows, is where I banked 25 every time my BR went over 125.
    Col Q is 2 things...the daily unit...which would be set on the game of the day (Q3 is 5, my daily unit) and the total won lost that day (Q15 is 35, total won that day)
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    To start: Col A & C...teams with B being the date.  
    Col D is the score, based on the home team.  
    Col E & F are the MLs based on Home/Away...E being the home team.  
    Col G is the non chase system of playing a dog RL if the O/U is 9 or under....100 being a win, and the -(~150) a loss.  
    Col H is the Rotation play...dog RL.  Win is a 100, loss being -(~150). 
    Cols I,J,K are the Rizz's system, Game A being Col I etc.  
    Cols L,M,N is a Low Scoring Home Dog W chase I was messing with.  Col L being Game A etc.
    Col O, except for 2 first rows, are the bets won or lost, x being no bet as 2 systems went against each other.
    Col P, except for 2 first rows, is where I banked 25 every time my BR went over 125.
    Col Q is 2 things...the daily unit...which would be set on the game of the day (Q3 is 5, my daily unit) and the total won lost that day (Q15 is 35, total won that day)
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2015 - 5:20 PM ET #12

    This is to show that if you play multiple systems, you don't need to play each system by itself.  You follow 4 systems, and all at once all 4 go to a D game, you have a lot depending on 4 teams.  If you play it similar to like I have it, you would have a lot less at stake.  Bank when you're up, and as a few losses happen, the unit/game goes down.
    Look at a stretch from Apr 9th to the 13th.  I lost like 40u, but because I didn't play the chases the way you should (Col I-N), I didn't lose as much.  The 2 chase plays went like 7w and 15l.  
    I don't care too much to have that much riding on one or two games.  I suppose this is like labbying.  Each game has the same unit play, but I figure it different.  My goal is to come out ahead, not if I play 200 series, to have a 200 unit profit.  That and my risk is less so I won't stress.
    Also, say I kept losing (I didn't, I banked another 175 by May 1st), my unit played would be too low to bet, but it was all house money, I had banked my starting already.
    I just put this out there.  This is how I'm playing it.  When that big D game comes, I'll be playing it the same as another system's A
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    This is to show that if you play multiple systems, you don't need to play each system by itself.  You follow 4 systems, and all at once all 4 go to a D game, you have a lot depending on 4 teams.  If you play it similar to like I have it, you would have a lot less at stake.  Bank when you're up, and as a few losses happen, the unit/game goes down.
    Look at a stretch from Apr 9th to the 13th.  I lost like 40u, but because I didn't play the chases the way you should (Col I-N), I didn't lose as much.  The 2 chase plays went like 7w and 15l.  
    I don't care too much to have that much riding on one or two games.  I suppose this is like labbying.  Each game has the same unit play, but I figure it different.  My goal is to come out ahead, not if I play 200 series, to have a 200 unit profit.  That and my risk is less so I won't stress.
    Also, say I kept losing (I didn't, I banked another 175 by May 1st), my unit played would be too low to bet, but it was all house money, I had banked my starting already.
    I just put this out there.  This is how I'm playing it.  When that big D game comes, I'll be playing it the same as another system's A
     
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2015 - 5:36 PM ET #13

    BuckeyeKaptn,

    What is the rules for:  Rizz's chase, Low Scoring Home Win, and chase 3gs? Thanks
     
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    BuckeyeKaptn,

    What is the rules for:  Rizz's chase, Low Scoring Home Win, and chase 3gs? Thanks
     
     
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    Buckeye,
    Thanks for sharing, This is a great concept and MM strategy. Personally i will try this concept on a few this year to see how it plays out.  I also went back to the last 2 years of results utilizing bD's Magnacarta 1 & 2 as it is action packed and can definitely carry a few games past the 'B" bets.  This strategy really takes the "Chase" out of the "Chase" which is nice. In the past years i utilized and developed a tracking sheet for a multiple Labby line strategy.  I compared the two ideas and they are close at the end, difference being your days risk on particular qualifying games is flat and my approach relies on personal discretion of which Labby line you want to utilize (and hopefully clear) which results in larger bets on certain strings. Cant agree more that the less stress on ourselves and profit at the end of the day makes this hobby way more enjoyable & profitable.  If you want to play around with my tracking sheet or you use Labby style betting here is a link, its mostly automated and can have up to 8 lines at any given time. Another concept to help play multiple systems in bulk if you wish
    GL

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9UBaNk9s7UjMnVfZmxIUFlMb0E/view?usp=sharing

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    Buckeye,
    Thanks for sharing, This is a great concept and MM strategy. Personally i will try this concept on a few this year to see how it plays out.  I also went back to the last 2 years of results utilizing bD's Magnacarta 1 & 2 as it is action packed and can definitely carry a few games past the 'B" bets.  This strategy really takes the "Chase" out of the "Chase" which is nice. In the past years i utilized and developed a tracking sheet for a multiple Labby line strategy.  I compared the two ideas and they are close at the end, difference being your days risk on particular qualifying games is flat and my approach relies on personal discretion of which Labby line you want to utilize (and hopefully clear) which results in larger bets on certain strings. Cant agree more that the less stress on ourselves and profit at the end of the day makes this hobby way more enjoyable & profitable.  If you want to play around with my tracking sheet or you use Labby style betting here is a link, its mostly automated and can have up to 8 lines at any given time. Another concept to help play multiple systems in bulk if you wish
    GL

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9UBaNk9s7UjMnVfZmxIUFlMb0E/view?usp=sharing

     
    BuckeyeKaptn
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2015 - 6:54 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by hyvong:

    BuckeyeKaptn,

    What is the rules for:  Rizz's chase, Low Scoring Home Win, and chase 3gs? Thanks
     
    Rizz's...This is a quote from 2011:

    Some people like this system, some people hate it.  I had days on each side during the season last year.  The jist is that the oddsmakers know more than we do.  Our hope is to use this knowledge against them and turn a profit using an aggressive labouchere money management.  If you hate laying juice or using labby management, this is not for you.  Won +175U last year going 231-10

    Here is the plan:

    Play on teams that open at -145 or higher in the first game of a three or more game homestand.

    Chase for 3 games only

    Run this on an aggressive 3 line labouchere (will post lines)


    The Low Scoring Home Win is a where a home team won a game where they scored only 3 or less runs.  The chase is based on that they will win again in the next 3 home games.  If you have an away game between any of the 3 games before a chase win, you wait for the next home game to play.  I just threw this on the spreadsheet to have another chase system on my main idea of wagering with the same unit on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyvong:

    BuckeyeKaptn,

    What is the rules for:  Rizz's chase, Low Scoring Home Win, and chase 3gs? Thanks
     
    Rizz's...This is a quote from 2011:

    Some people like this system, some people hate it.  I had days on each side during the season last year.  The jist is that the oddsmakers know more than we do.  Our hope is to use this knowledge against them and turn a profit using an aggressive labouchere money management.  If you hate laying juice or using labby management, this is not for you.  Won +175U last year going 231-10

    Here is the plan:

    Play on teams that open at -145 or higher in the first game of a three or more game homestand.

    Chase for 3 games only

    Run this on an aggressive 3 line labouchere (will post lines)


    The Low Scoring Home Win is a where a home team won a game where they scored only 3 or less runs.  The chase is based on that they will win again in the next 3 home games.  If you have an away game between any of the 3 games before a chase win, you wait for the next home game to play.  I just threw this on the spreadsheet to have another chase system on my main idea of wagering with the same unit on a daily basis.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2015 - 7:31 PM ET #16

    That's a nice spreadsheet.  I haven't even worked on mine yet.  Work has been taking up my time, but I vowed to play this year even just if I watched the forums.  
    I forgot about Magna Carta.. That's a good one too.  I gotta get going soon and make my spreadsheet before the season starts.  Figure out which systems I wanna play etc.
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    That's a nice spreadsheet.  I haven't even worked on mine yet.  Work has been taking up my time, but I vowed to play this year even just if I watched the forums.  
    I forgot about Magna Carta.. That's a good one too.  I gotta get going soon and make my spreadsheet before the season starts.  Figure out which systems I wanna play etc.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeKaptn:

    Rizz's...This is a quote from 2011:

    Some people like this system, some people hate it.  I had days on each side during the season last year.  The jist is that the oddsmakers know more than we do.  Our hope is to use this knowledge against them and turn a profit using an aggressive labouchere money management.  If you hate laying juice or using labby management, this is not for you.  Won +175U last year going 231-10

    Here is the plan:

    Play on teams that open at -145 or higher in the first game of a three or more game homestand.

    Chase for 3 games only

    Run this on an aggressive 3 line labouchere (will post lines).


    Is this playing any team that is -145 or higher in the first game of a 3 or more homestand or are there filters (winning pct, etc....)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeKaptn:

    Rizz's...This is a quote from 2011:

    Some people like this system, some people hate it.  I had days on each side during the season last year.  The jist is that the oddsmakers know more than we do.  Our hope is to use this knowledge against them and turn a profit using an aggressive labouchere money management.  If you hate laying juice or using labby management, this is not for you.  Won +175U last year going 231-10

    Here is the plan:

    Play on teams that open at -145 or higher in the first game of a three or more game homestand.

    Chase for 3 games only

    Run this on an aggressive 3 line labouchere (will post lines).


    Is this playing any team that is -145 or higher in the first game of a 3 or more homestand or are there filters (winning pct, etc....)?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 29, 2015 - 10:26 AM ET #18

    The way I remember it was no filters....but I could be wrong.  I'll check tomorrow...my day off

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    The way I remember it was no filters....but I could be wrong.  I'll check tomorrow...my day off

     
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    Buckeye,

    I think you are on to a good strategy here in terms of money management. So is your spreadsheet automated? From the sounds of it, you just re-distribute your losses evenly into your next day of plays? I would like to do something similar to this with higher volume plays, but would appreciate some more insight as to how to go about doing so.
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    Buckeye,

    I think you are on to a good strategy here in terms of money management. So is your spreadsheet automated? From the sounds of it, you just re-distribute your losses evenly into your next day of plays? I would like to do something similar to this with higher volume plays, but would appreciate some more insight as to how to go about doing so.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jolmscheid:

    Buckeye,


    I think you are on to a good strategy here in terms of money management. So is your spreadsheet automated? From the sounds of it, you just re-distribute your losses evenly into your next day of plays? I would like to do something similar to this with higher volume plays, but would appreciate some more insight as to how to go about doing so.
    Your post reminded me of an excel file I found on another web forum, dealing with chases.  I've been fooling with it...to adjust it to my MM plan.  I'll post that file onto Google docs and you all can download it.  Once I fix my copy to how I like it, I will post that one too. 
    My spreadsheet that I use to determine plays, I'm working on now.  I'm reusing my 2014 one.  I have a ton of useful info on there besides formulas to determine system plays.  The thing taking me the longest is the schedule for 2015.  It has to be set up correctly for plays...determining road trips, game a/b/c of a series etc. After the season starts, I have to update it and see if the web sites I pull data from have updated their sites, and then adjust the formulas accordingly. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by jolmscheid:

    Buckeye,


    I think you are on to a good strategy here in terms of money management. So is your spreadsheet automated? From the sounds of it, you just re-distribute your losses evenly into your next day of plays? I would like to do something similar to this with higher volume plays, but would appreciate some more insight as to how to go about doing so.
    Your post reminded me of an excel file I found on another web forum, dealing with chases.  I've been fooling with it...to adjust it to my MM plan.  I'll post that file onto Google docs and you all can download it.  Once I fix my copy to how I like it, I will post that one too. 
    My spreadsheet that I use to determine plays, I'm working on now.  I'm reusing my 2014 one.  I have a ton of useful info on there besides formulas to determine system plays.  The thing taking me the longest is the schedule for 2015.  It has to be set up correctly for plays...determining road trips, game a/b/c of a series etc. After the season starts, I have to update it and see if the web sites I pull data from have updated their sites, and then adjust the formulas accordingly. 

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    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynr1eDtdk5ZWktaOGp4RVhmeGM/view?usp=sharing
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by flwareagle:


    Is this playing any team that is -145 or higher in the first game of a 3 or more homestand or are there filters (winning pct, etc....)?
    That's what I got...just the first game, then chase them.  Here's the thread from 2011.  There are some filters:

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=101020098
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    Quote Originally Posted by flwareagle:


    Is this playing any team that is -145 or higher in the first game of a 3 or more homestand or are there filters (winning pct, etc....)?
    That's what I got...just the first game, then chase them.  Here's the thread from 2011.  There are some filters:

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=101020098
     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2015 - 5:20 PM ET #22

    Here's mine

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynr1eDtdk5Zb0JObEhhdzE0bWc/view?usp=sharing
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    Here's mine

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynr1eDtdk5Zb0JObEhhdzE0bWc/view?usp=sharing
     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2015 - 9:25 PM ET #24

    It says that it cannot find the page? Maybe its a problem from my end.
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    It says that it cannot find the page? Maybe its a problem from my end.
     
     
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    I don't know...came up on my end.
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