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    Baseball Super Series Betting System

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    Posted: May. 1, 2011 - 10:51 PM ET #1

    We are betting that each team will win 2 out of 3 games.  For Monday, May 2nd, the eligible series are:

    1) LA Dodgers over Chicago Cubs (3-game series)

    2) Pittsburgh Pirates over San Diego (3-game series)

    If you would like the rules for this system, you can download it for free at Guide to Baseball Betting.
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    We are betting that each team will win 2 out of 3 games.  For Monday, May 2nd, the eligible series are:

    1) LA Dodgers over Chicago Cubs (3-game series)

    2) Pittsburgh Pirates over San Diego (3-game series)

    If you would like the rules for this system, you can download it for free at Guide to Baseball Betting.
     
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    Posted: May. 1, 2011 - 11:06 PM ET #2

    Horsecrap. 
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    Posted: May. 2, 2011 - 9:54 AM ET #3

    What are you using for Money Management?  Are you flat betting each play at 1.25% of your entire bankroll?

    Good Luck

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    What are you using for Money Management?  Are you flat betting each play at 1.25% of your entire bankroll?

    Good Luck

     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2011 - 10:16 PM ET #4

    This  system will   work
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 2:52 AM ET #5

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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 2:54 AM ET #6

    May 3rd picks are Dodgers, Royals, Phillies, Pirates, and Rockies.

    Record: 2-0, +1.91 units

    Best of luck,

    Bob
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    May 3rd picks are Dodgers, Royals, Phillies, Pirates, and Rockies.

    Record: 2-0, +1.91 units

    Best of luck,

    Bob
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 2:55 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by oilcountry99:

    What are you using for Money Management?  Are you flat betting each play at 1.25% of your entire bankroll?

    Good Luck



    Everyone's money management strategy is different but I bet 1.25% on each game.  Also, split between money line and run line when odds between -150 and -200

    Best of luck,

    Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by oilcountry99:

    What are you using for Money Management?  Are you flat betting each play at 1.25% of your entire bankroll?

    Good Luck



    Everyone's money management strategy is different but I bet 1.25% on each game.  Also, split between money line and run line when odds between -150 and -200

    Best of luck,

    Bob
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 7:27 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by rbies:



    Everyone's money management strategy is different but I bet 1.25% on each game.  Also, split between money line and run line when odds between -150 and -200

    Best of luck,

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbies:



    Everyone's money management strategy is different but I bet 1.25% on each game.  Also, split between money line and run line when odds between -150 and -200

    Best of luck,

    Bob

     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 2:54 PM ET #9

    Wed, May 4th picks:

    1) Dodgers (Series tied 1-1)
    2) Pirates (Series tied 1-1)
    3) Royals (KC leads 1-0)
    4) Phillies (PHI leads 1-0)
    5) Rockies (ARZ leads 1-0)

    2011 Record: Series 0-0-0, Games 4-3, Units +0.27

    Best of luck,

    Bob
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    Wed, May 4th picks:

    1) Dodgers (Series tied 1-1)
    2) Pirates (Series tied 1-1)
    3) Royals (KC leads 1-0)
    4) Phillies (PHI leads 1-0)
    5) Rockies (ARZ leads 1-0)

    2011 Record: Series 0-0-0, Games 4-3, Units +0.27

    Best of luck,

    Bob
     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 4:27 PM ET #10

    Covers Moderators,  For once maybe you'll do your job and remove threads like this that are only posting picks.  This is a "Systems & Strategies" section where any picks are supposed to be fully explained with the rules and theory behind them.  

    This guy is a novice handicapper and total conman who has copied a few WORTHLESS systems from other people's websites.  Don't be taken in by this guy.  Totally worthless garbage that doesn't belong in this section.

    Don't believe me?  Take a look at his first few posts on this site about a year ago.  Then take a look at HIS site where he passes himself off as a longtime winning sports bettor.  This is what I meant in a post on another thread when I said NEVER give one penny to the filthy scumbags in the sports service business passing themselves off as winning handicappers.  Funny how their systems are so good, but instead of just quietly betting the games themselves, they want other people's money.

    There's an old saying in sports betting circles, "Those that tell, don't know, and those that know, don't tell"

    Sharing systems is great, but all the conmen, liars, and chase system idiots on here is just nauseating.    
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    Covers Moderators,  For once maybe you'll do your job and remove threads like this that are only posting picks.  This is a "Systems & Strategies" section where any picks are supposed to be fully explained with the rules and theory behind them.  

    This guy is a novice handicapper and total conman who has copied a few WORTHLESS systems from other people's websites.  Don't be taken in by this guy.  Totally worthless garbage that doesn't belong in this section.

    Don't believe me?  Take a look at his first few posts on this site about a year ago.  Then take a look at HIS site where he passes himself off as a longtime winning sports bettor.  This is what I meant in a post on another thread when I said NEVER give one penny to the filthy scumbags in the sports service business passing themselves off as winning handicappers.  Funny how their systems are so good, but instead of just quietly betting the games themselves, they want other people's money.

    There's an old saying in sports betting circles, "Those that tell, don't know, and those that know, don't tell"

    Sharing systems is great, but all the conmen, liars, and chase system idiots on here is just nauseating.    
     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 5:11 PM ET #11

    There is a system being followed, you can see it in the link in post #1.  It may win, it may lose who knows. I have to say at least there is a system linked to this, there are many other contributers on here with ZERO strategy in terms of "a system".  They are merely capping their own games and implementing a money management strategy.  This does not equate to a system in my books.

    Is it great that they share the picks...absolutely, is this the right forum, that's up for debate. 

    It's up to us to weed out who we chose to follow/tail/support.

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    There is a system being followed, you can see it in the link in post #1.  It may win, it may lose who knows. I have to say at least there is a system linked to this, there are many other contributers on here with ZERO strategy in terms of "a system".  They are merely capping their own games and implementing a money management strategy.  This does not equate to a system in my books.

    Is it great that they share the picks...absolutely, is this the right forum, that's up for debate. 

    It's up to us to weed out who we chose to follow/tail/support.

     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 6:28 PM ET #12

    I do not believe the rules for this particular useless system are posted at this conman's website.  He does have rules on his site for several other worthless systems (ALL OF WHICH ARE LONGTIME LOSERS).  But, even if the rules were posted on his site, they are NOT posted on Covers.  The Systems & Strategies section is not the proper place to pimp his worthless crap. 

    You may as well ask someone at a bus stop for profitable betting systems, as rely on a guy just starting out in handicapping.  This is really just unbelievable the balls some people have in giving advice to others.

    Stay tuned for my advice on brain surgery.  I drove by a hospital last week, so I'm probably qualified to give medical advice.   
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    I do not believe the rules for this particular useless system are posted at this conman's website.  He does have rules on his site for several other worthless systems (ALL OF WHICH ARE LONGTIME LOSERS).  But, even if the rules were posted on his site, they are NOT posted on Covers.  The Systems & Strategies section is not the proper place to pimp his worthless crap. 

    You may as well ask someone at a bus stop for profitable betting systems, as rely on a guy just starting out in handicapping.  This is really just unbelievable the balls some people have in giving advice to others.

    Stay tuned for my advice on brain surgery.  I drove by a hospital last week, so I'm probably qualified to give medical advice.   
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2011 - 12:40 PM ET #13

    Thursday, May 5, 2011 Picks

    1. Royals
    2. Rockies
    Status of Current Series

    1. Dodgers/Cubs (Loss 1-2)
    2. Pirates/Padres (Won 2-1)
    3. Royals/Orioles (Tied 1-1)
    4. Phillies/Nats (Won 2-0)
    5. Rockies/D-Backs (Tied 1-1)
    2011 Record: Series 2-1, Games 7-5, Units +1.03
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    Thursday, May 5, 2011 Picks

    1. Royals
    2. Rockies
    Status of Current Series

    1. Dodgers/Cubs (Loss 1-2)
    2. Pirates/Padres (Won 2-1)
    3. Royals/Orioles (Tied 1-1)
    4. Phillies/Nats (Won 2-0)
    5. Rockies/D-Backs (Tied 1-1)
    2011 Record: Series 2-1, Games 7-5, Units +1.03
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2011 - 1:40 PM ET #14

    The Baseball Super Series Betting System is based on a common sense approach that a stronger MLB team playing better right now, whether playing at home or on the road, will win the majority of its baseball series.

    A stronger team must have a:
    1. Higher Relative Power Index (ESPN);
    2. Better Win/Loss Record.  For example, if the Jays are playing the Yankees in New York, you compare Toronto's Road Record against New York's Home Record;
    3. Better record over the last 7 games.  For example, Jays record on the road could be 3-4 (L-7) and the Yankees home record 5-2 (L-7)
    Elimination Rules - Stronger Team cannot:
    1. Have lost four consecutive games (both home/road);
    2. Have a record over the last 10 games of 3-6 or worse (both home and road games).
    Elimination Rules - Opposing Team cannot:
    1. Have won four consecutive games (road and home);
    2. Be more than two games over .500.  For example, if the Jays have a 25-21 road record, you would eliminate the Jays/Yankees series for consideration if the system considered the Yankees as the stronger team.
    3. Have a record over the last 10 games 6-4 or better (both road and home games.
    4. Have a record of 5-2 or better at home or on the road in the last 7.
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    The Baseball Super Series Betting System is based on a common sense approach that a stronger MLB team playing better right now, whether playing at home or on the road, will win the majority of its baseball series.

    A stronger team must have a:
    1. Higher Relative Power Index (ESPN);
    2. Better Win/Loss Record.  For example, if the Jays are playing the Yankees in New York, you compare Toronto's Road Record against New York's Home Record;
    3. Better record over the last 7 games.  For example, Jays record on the road could be 3-4 (L-7) and the Yankees home record 5-2 (L-7)
    Elimination Rules - Stronger Team cannot:
    1. Have lost four consecutive games (both home/road);
    2. Have a record over the last 10 games of 3-6 or worse (both home and road games).
    Elimination Rules - Opposing Team cannot:
    1. Have won four consecutive games (road and home);
    2. Be more than two games over .500.  For example, if the Jays have a 25-21 road record, you would eliminate the Jays/Yankees series for consideration if the system considered the Yankees as the stronger team.
    3. Have a record over the last 10 games 6-4 or better (both road and home games.
    4. Have a record of 5-2 or better at home or on the road in the last 7.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2011 - 1:41 PM ET #15

    Correction: Elimination Rule #2 above for stronger teams should be 3-7 or worse.
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    Correction: Elimination Rule #2 above for stronger teams should be 3-7 or worse.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2011 - 1:45 PM ET #16

    I encourage feedback (good and bad) about my system.  However, let's please keep it professional. 

    If you have a problem with me personally, then don't follow my thread.  If you would like to know who I am, then visit my website.  I explain who I am on my front page.

    Best of luck,

    Bob
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    I encourage feedback (good and bad) about my system.  However, let's please keep it professional. 

    If you have a problem with me personally, then don't follow my thread.  If you would like to know who I am, then visit my website.  I explain who I am on my front page.

    Best of luck,

    Bob
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2011 - 2:45 PM ET #17

    rbies,  I'll finally give you some credit on two things.  1. You finally posted the rules of this system here at Covers, rather just using this site to pimp yours.  2.  Although I can tell you that this system WILL NOT show a profit after any reasonable length of a test (say 200 games), at least you have not fallen into the public nonsense that you need PITCHING to handicap baseball.  There is not a dimes worth of difference between 90% of all major league pitchers, they are ALL the best pitchers in the world.

    The rules of your system, and I highly doubt it is your system, have tried, used, and beaten like a dead horse for 30 years.  Can't you understand that such elementary rules will not show a longterm profit.  Do you really think that there have not been brilliant people like Jim Barnes, Mike Lee, and Gary Austin who haven't tried these things over the course of a lifetime.  These were some of the pioneers in sports betting, but NONE of their theories ever held up over time, especially beginning in the mid-80's when all these systems were widely written about.  

    Baseball is far and away the toughest sport to beat because the bettor is left with the terrible choice of betting the underdog and hopefully getting some value, but in reality getting the probable loser.  Or, betting the favorite who will obviously probably win, but having to lay an outrageous price that is too high to cover the win percentage.  Don't believe me that baseball is the toughest sport to beat?  Read Lem Banker's book.  He's easily one of the best sports handicappers ever.  

    I guarantee that if you examine each and every one of the rules to the system you will find that not one single one of them means a damn thing.  This nonsense about not betting on a team that has played poorly in it's last 10 games, or not betting against a team on a 3 game win streak or having won 7 out of 10 is absolute total crap.  Don't you think we'd all be rich if it were that simple? Don't you think these type of rules have been looked at, researched, discarded years ago?  And, it makes no difference if you take the rules separately or put them all together, they are 100% totally useless.  But if you want to lose money, go ahead and learn for yourself .

    You would actually be much better off proceeding in the exact OPPOSITE direction of the rules you have listed. You would be much better off betting on good teams that have LOST 8 of the last 10 games.  You would be much better off betting good teams that have LOST 5 out of the last 7 games at home.

    I have no complaint with you posting systems, in fact I enjoy reading about systems.  But I don't enjoy people who do no tell the truth and try and pass themselves off as experts when they are clearly someone who is just starting out in the sports betting field.  Had you actually been involved in sports betting very long, you would know that systems like this are total nonsense, and are, in fact, the exact opposite of a winning method.          
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    rbies,  I'll finally give you some credit on two things.  1. You finally posted the rules of this system here at Covers, rather just using this site to pimp yours.  2.  Although I can tell you that this system WILL NOT show a profit after any reasonable length of a test (say 200 games), at least you have not fallen into the public nonsense that you need PITCHING to handicap baseball.  There is not a dimes worth of difference between 90% of all major league pitchers, they are ALL the best pitchers in the world.

    The rules of your system, and I highly doubt it is your system, have tried, used, and beaten like a dead horse for 30 years.  Can't you understand that such elementary rules will not show a longterm profit.  Do you really think that there have not been brilliant people like Jim Barnes, Mike Lee, and Gary Austin who haven't tried these things over the course of a lifetime.  These were some of the pioneers in sports betting, but NONE of their theories ever held up over time, especially beginning in the mid-80's when all these systems were widely written about.  

    Baseball is far and away the toughest sport to beat because the bettor is left with the terrible choice of betting the underdog and hopefully getting some value, but in reality getting the probable loser.  Or, betting the favorite who will obviously probably win, but having to lay an outrageous price that is too high to cover the win percentage.  Don't believe me that baseball is the toughest sport to beat?  Read Lem Banker's book.  He's easily one of the best sports handicappers ever.  

    I guarantee that if you examine each and every one of the rules to the system you will find that not one single one of them means a damn thing.  This nonsense about not betting on a team that has played poorly in it's last 10 games, or not betting against a team on a 3 game win streak or having won 7 out of 10 is absolute total crap.  Don't you think we'd all be rich if it were that simple? Don't you think these type of rules have been looked at, researched, discarded years ago?  And, it makes no difference if you take the rules separately or put them all together, they are 100% totally useless.  But if you want to lose money, go ahead and learn for yourself .

    You would actually be much better off proceeding in the exact OPPOSITE direction of the rules you have listed. You would be much better off betting on good teams that have LOST 8 of the last 10 games.  You would be much better off betting good teams that have LOST 5 out of the last 7 games at home.

    I have no complaint with you posting systems, in fact I enjoy reading about systems.  But I don't enjoy people who do no tell the truth and try and pass themselves off as experts when they are clearly someone who is just starting out in the sports betting field.  Had you actually been involved in sports betting very long, you would know that systems like this are total nonsense, and are, in fact, the exact opposite of a winning method.          
     
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    observer55

    You've obviously been around the block judging by your comments.  This is great and I enjoyed reading your post.  What i'm interested in is "your" system.  You seem to have a lot of answers and with your past knowledge you surely should be able to offer us something here at Covers.  What is your method to sports investing or have you learned so much over the years that you don't wager because it is impossible to win.

    People with your experience are invaluable to a forum, (at least it sounds like you know a whole lot) hopefully you can provide us all with some constructive insight.

    Good luck to you

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    You've obviously been around the block judging by your comments.  This is great and I enjoyed reading your post.  What i'm interested in is "your" system.  You seem to have a lot of answers and with your past knowledge you surely should be able to offer us something here at Covers.  What is your method to sports investing or have you learned so much over the years that you don't wager because it is impossible to win.

    People with your experience are invaluable to a forum, (at least it sounds like you know a whole lot) hopefully you can provide us all with some constructive insight.

    Good luck to you

     
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    oilcountry99,  I don't want to hijack rbies thread, I just wanted to warn bettors with less experience that the type of system listed above will ultimately fail.  The one thing I've learned in the many years I've been handicapping sports is that CONVENTIONAL handicapping DOES NOT WORK.  

    There are very very few systems, angles, and methods that DO work.  If I were to list a few of the systems that really do work, all that would serve to do is kill them off.  All I can really do here is to tell you that it is the OPPOSITE of conventional handicapping that seems to works best.  For example, I'll give you one system that works almost every year:  At the ALL-Star break make a list of the pitchers with the BEST won/lost records in baseball.  Bet AGAINST them in every single game they start in the second half.  These pitchers will be getting tired, the weather is hot, hitters have seen them 2 times at least, the price on them is sky high since the public believes you need the best pitcher to win the game.  If the odds were EVEN, I'd want the best pitcher too, but I don't give a damn who's pitching when the price is ridiculous.  The public uses pitching, and the public gets buried.

    Can the game really beaten?  I think the sad fact of the matter is it's ALMOST impossible to beat, at least to any worthwhile degree.  Small sample of winners mean absolutely nothing.  Sure there's going to be times when you see people here or elsewhere win for awhile, but eventually, when enough games are played the systems will all fail.  Sports betting makes the bettor an offer that is almost to beat.  The true fact is that we have to LITERALLY predict the future, and on top of that, WE have to pay juice for the privilege.  If WE have to predict the future, WE should be the ones getting the juice.  Sports betting is on par with a poor return casino game like roulette, right about 4% negative longterm.  The amount of juice we have to pay is outrageous.  In reality, instead of laying 110 to make 100, it should be no more than 101/100.  We are faced with a near impossible task.  The only reason the juice is less for baseball wagering is that the books know EVERYONE would be broke by April 30th. 

    Burt Osborn, longtime sportsbook director in Las Vegas, once told me that the public is SO BAD at handicapping, that in reality, he could post the games and charge NO JUICE whatsoever and the public would still get buried.  And a longtime poster on another forum made statement a few year ago that has the ring of truth to it, "eventually EVERYONE come to the conclusion that all of this is just for fun".

    I once asked John Kelly, the longtime host of a sports betting radio program broadcast from the late great Stardust, to name for me just ONE SINGLE successful sports bettor that still beats the game.  All he could come up with was Billy Walters.  Does Billy Walters really beat the game?  He made his fortune in real estate, not sports betting.  Does he really win now or just arbitrage the games?  I'm not sure.  

    My own opinion is that everyone should bet VERY small, because virtually NO ONE wins in the long run.  After chasing this for most of my life, I have pretty much switched to the stock market.  Not that stocks are easy, but at least it's a fact that for the past 100 years it's close to a 10% positive game.

    ALL the successful sports bettors of the past had their success at football, at a time during the 70's and 80's when all a smart guy had to do was bet underdogs, especially in the NFL.  All you had to do was throw darts and you couldn't help but win.  Eventually the public wised up, and betting underdogs doesn't work so well these days.

    Bet small and treat this as a hobby.  And don't listen to any of these people on here touting CHASE SYSTEMS.  They must dealing with an I.Q. about one point above a carrot.

    Good luck.            
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    oilcountry99,  I don't want to hijack rbies thread, I just wanted to warn bettors with less experience that the type of system listed above will ultimately fail.  The one thing I've learned in the many years I've been handicapping sports is that CONVENTIONAL handicapping DOES NOT WORK.  

    There are very very few systems, angles, and methods that DO work.  If I were to list a few of the systems that really do work, all that would serve to do is kill them off.  All I can really do here is to tell you that it is the OPPOSITE of conventional handicapping that seems to works best.  For example, I'll give you one system that works almost every year:  At the ALL-Star break make a list of the pitchers with the BEST won/lost records in baseball.  Bet AGAINST them in every single game they start in the second half.  These pitchers will be getting tired, the weather is hot, hitters have seen them 2 times at least, the price on them is sky high since the public believes you need the best pitcher to win the game.  If the odds were EVEN, I'd want the best pitcher too, but I don't give a damn who's pitching when the price is ridiculous.  The public uses pitching, and the public gets buried.

    Can the game really beaten?  I think the sad fact of the matter is it's ALMOST impossible to beat, at least to any worthwhile degree.  Small sample of winners mean absolutely nothing.  Sure there's going to be times when you see people here or elsewhere win for awhile, but eventually, when enough games are played the systems will all fail.  Sports betting makes the bettor an offer that is almost to beat.  The true fact is that we have to LITERALLY predict the future, and on top of that, WE have to pay juice for the privilege.  If WE have to predict the future, WE should be the ones getting the juice.  Sports betting is on par with a poor return casino game like roulette, right about 4% negative longterm.  The amount of juice we have to pay is outrageous.  In reality, instead of laying 110 to make 100, it should be no more than 101/100.  We are faced with a near impossible task.  The only reason the juice is less for baseball wagering is that the books know EVERYONE would be broke by April 30th. 

    Burt Osborn, longtime sportsbook director in Las Vegas, once told me that the public is SO BAD at handicapping, that in reality, he could post the games and charge NO JUICE whatsoever and the public would still get buried.  And a longtime poster on another forum made statement a few year ago that has the ring of truth to it, "eventually EVERYONE come to the conclusion that all of this is just for fun".

    I once asked John Kelly, the longtime host of a sports betting radio program broadcast from the late great Stardust, to name for me just ONE SINGLE successful sports bettor that still beats the game.  All he could come up with was Billy Walters.  Does Billy Walters really beat the game?  He made his fortune in real estate, not sports betting.  Does he really win now or just arbitrage the games?  I'm not sure.  

    My own opinion is that everyone should bet VERY small, because virtually NO ONE wins in the long run.  After chasing this for most of my life, I have pretty much switched to the stock market.  Not that stocks are easy, but at least it's a fact that for the past 100 years it's close to a 10% positive game.

    ALL the successful sports bettors of the past had their success at football, at a time during the 70's and 80's when all a smart guy had to do was bet underdogs, especially in the NFL.  All you had to do was throw darts and you couldn't help but win.  Eventually the public wised up, and betting underdogs doesn't work so well these days.

    Bet small and treat this as a hobby.  And don't listen to any of these people on here touting CHASE SYSTEMS.  They must dealing with an I.Q. about one point above a carrot.

    Good luck.            
     
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    observer----u had me in stitches with this post I have to totally agree with that theory that everyone should eventually realize sports gambling IS fun and IS a hobby and like any hobby it costs some money and if you think it is your job and you are touting a hairbrained system you WILL be broke......I have a system bet what you can afford to play cross your fingers and pray and hope to collect

     

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    observer----u had me in stitches with this post I have to totally agree with that theory that everyone should eventually realize sports gambling IS fun and IS a hobby and like any hobby it costs some money and if you think it is your job and you are touting a hairbrained system you WILL be broke......I have a system bet what you can afford to play cross your fingers and pray and hope to collect

     

     
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    I don't want to hijack the thread either, definitely not the intention.  I agree that thinking outside the box is beneficial, and like you said earlier.....all this has been tried before. We who are currently here in this forum are not the pioneers of sports betting that's for sure.  People can only learn from their own experiences it seems, unfortunately in most cases it's not a good lesson.

    I also think those of us who have been fortunate enough to find some success are out there and of course won't make a good thing public only to ruin it, as you also stated above.

    Maybe the best thing to do is fade every system that comes into this forum, my guess is it would be profitable.

     

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    I don't want to hijack the thread either, definitely not the intention.  I agree that thinking outside the box is beneficial, and like you said earlier.....all this has been tried before. We who are currently here in this forum are not the pioneers of sports betting that's for sure.  People can only learn from their own experiences it seems, unfortunately in most cases it's not a good lesson.

    I also think those of us who have been fortunate enough to find some success are out there and of course won't make a good thing public only to ruin it, as you also stated above.

    Maybe the best thing to do is fade every system that comes into this forum, my guess is it would be profitable.

     

     
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    Results of Last Series
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    Pirates/Padres (Won 2-1)
    Royals/Orioles (Won 2-1)
    Phillies/Nationals (Won 2-1)
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    2011 Record: Series 3-2-0, Games 8-6, Units + 0.87
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    2011 Record: Series 3-2-0, Games 8-6, Units + 0.87
     
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    It took me months to develop this system (10-12 hour days, 7 days a week).  In fact, I did not start writing my website until I thought I had a system that had a chance to succeed.  I first tried developing a system for hockey but finally gave up.

    The one caveat to my system is that one of the statistics that it uses to determine which team is the strongest team is the RPI developed by ESPN.  However, since ESPN could not give me the RPI for a team on a given day, I had to use the year-end RPI.  So I don't know how this will translate throughout the year.

    But you have to admit that the premise of the system makes sense: A stronger team playing better right now should win the majority of series.

    That's what I want to prove over the course of the 2011 baseball season.  I expect that I will have to tweak the system somewhat over the year since it does not take into consideration individual games.

    For instance, the final game of the Dodgers series, the Dodgers were facing a right handed starting pitcher.  However, the Dodgers had a 9-14 record against RHP and the Cubs were 5-3 against LHP.  The Cubs won the game.  It is something that I'm monitoring.

    I have looked at a lot of systems, and most of them are CHASE systems where you want to win 1 game of a series.  That did not make sense to me.  But I have not seen anything on winning more than 1 game in a series.  Maybe I didn't look hard enough but I would be surprised if anyone has a system like this one.

    I believe that this system has a very good chance of making money.
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    It took me months to develop this system (10-12 hour days, 7 days a week).  In fact, I did not start writing my website until I thought I had a system that had a chance to succeed.  I first tried developing a system for hockey but finally gave up.

    The one caveat to my system is that one of the statistics that it uses to determine which team is the strongest team is the RPI developed by ESPN.  However, since ESPN could not give me the RPI for a team on a given day, I had to use the year-end RPI.  So I don't know how this will translate throughout the year.

    But you have to admit that the premise of the system makes sense: A stronger team playing better right now should win the majority of series.

    That's what I want to prove over the course of the 2011 baseball season.  I expect that I will have to tweak the system somewhat over the year since it does not take into consideration individual games.

    For instance, the final game of the Dodgers series, the Dodgers were facing a right handed starting pitcher.  However, the Dodgers had a 9-14 record against RHP and the Cubs were 5-3 against LHP.  The Cubs won the game.  It is something that I'm monitoring.

    I have looked at a lot of systems, and most of them are CHASE systems where you want to win 1 game of a series.  That did not make sense to me.  But I have not seen anything on winning more than 1 game in a series.  Maybe I didn't look hard enough but I would be surprised if anyone has a system like this one.

    I believe that this system has a very good chance of making money.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbies:



    The one caveat to my system is that one of the statistics that it uses to determine which team is the strongest team is the RPI developed by ESPN.  However, since ESPN could not give me the RPI for a team on a given day, I had to use the year-end RPI.  So I don't know how this will translate throughout the year.

    But you have to admit that the premise of the system makes sense: A stronger team playing better right now should win the majority of series.


    I have looked at a lot of systems, and most of them are CHASE systems where you want to win 1 game of a series.  That did not make sense to me.  But I have not seen anything on winning more than 1 game in a series.  Maybe I didn't look hard enough but I would be surprised if anyone has a system like this one.

    I believe that this system has a very good chance of making money.


    rbies-

    You should dig around more because there are MANY systems out there that are based on this same concept.  In fact, I also used this idea as a starting point for my system that was posted right here in this section on covers...and I also bet to win one, two, or even three games in a series:

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=100738380


    This system started off in a huge hole, going down something like 25 units right out the gate.  Then it caught fire and ran off about 60 or 70 units in a month.  It got crushed at the end of June, losing almost all the profit.  In the second half of the season I made some changes in how to bet the system and it steadily climbed up until the last week of August when a Philly sweep knocked out a chunk of units.  It ended in the black for the season, but there was WAY too much volatility.  Having a "system" that hits at a decent rate is one challenge, figuring out how to bet that system is really the tough part in my opinion.  Especially if your system gives you a lot of favorites...it gets pretty expensive to go after favorites after interleague play ends in June.  The value goes away.  This simple fact has crushed many bankrolls.  Yeah, a stronger team SHOULD win most of the series, but when they don't it can be devastating...go look at the Baltimore at Texas series from last year...almost everybody remembers it.  I avoided that one but was hurt by a few others.  Good teams WILL get swept and you can't do anything to avoid it.  That's the challenge.  (side note:  I've already started a trial run for this year and will begin posting my system here again in a few weeks.  It will be interesting to follow each other).

    Anyway, the system wasn't the greatest in the world and it far underperformed what I hoped last year, but I learned a lot and it helped me make some major adjustments.  Even though I started with a similar premise as you have here, my system differs greatly.  First of all, I don't trust ESPN worth a damn so I designed a program that would calculate my own "RPI" or whatever you want to call it based on many different factors.  There's nothing wrong with trying the "momentum" angle, but that alone probably won't get you too far.  I think a teams scoring ability is important and, while observer55 makes some good points, I have to disagree with the statement that pitching doesn't matter.  I strongly believe it does.  Not necessarily in any one game, but there's a reason that Cy Young winners almost always come from playoff teams.  More importantly, the bullpen makes a huge difference in how a team performs.  For individual games, the line that gets set in vegas is based largely on the starting pitcher...but if you're gonna bet only on the starting pitcher, you better stick to the first 5 innings only IMHO.  Anyway, those are just two things that you might want to add to your equation.

    I don't have any illusions about coming up with a system that will make millions.  It's not going to happen.  I definitely do this for fun more than anything, and have no intention of making it my living.  I love sports, numbers, stats, and just trying to beat the man.  That's the only goal for me.  There are many haters that don't think using numbers and technical analysis can produce a winning edge.  I personally believe sabermetrics is an extremely powerful tool that actually can help you grind out an edge in the long term.  I'm not saying I can do it, or you can't do it, but it's definitely a blast to try.  Keep trying with your system.  Even if it doesn't end up making you money, there's still plenty of value in it.  Learning what doesn't work is a crucial step towards any solution.

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    The one caveat to my system is that one of the statistics that it uses to determine which team is the strongest team is the RPI developed by ESPN.  However, since ESPN could not give me the RPI for a team on a given day, I had to use the year-end RPI.  So I don't know how this will translate throughout the year.

    But you have to admit that the premise of the system makes sense: A stronger team playing better right now should win the majority of series.


    I have looked at a lot of systems, and most of them are CHASE systems where you want to win 1 game of a series.  That did not make sense to me.  But I have not seen anything on winning more than 1 game in a series.  Maybe I didn't look hard enough but I would be surprised if anyone has a system like this one.

    I believe that this system has a very good chance of making money.


    rbies-

    You should dig around more because there are MANY systems out there that are based on this same concept.  In fact, I also used this idea as a starting point for my system that was posted right here in this section on covers...and I also bet to win one, two, or even three games in a series:

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=100738380


    This system started off in a huge hole, going down something like 25 units right out the gate.  Then it caught fire and ran off about 60 or 70 units in a month.  It got crushed at the end of June, losing almost all the profit.  In the second half of the season I made some changes in how to bet the system and it steadily climbed up until the last week of August when a Philly sweep knocked out a chunk of units.  It ended in the black for the season, but there was WAY too much volatility.  Having a "system" that hits at a decent rate is one challenge, figuring out how to bet that system is really the tough part in my opinion.  Especially if your system gives you a lot of favorites...it gets pretty expensive to go after favorites after interleague play ends in June.  The value goes away.  This simple fact has crushed many bankrolls.  Yeah, a stronger team SHOULD win most of the series, but when they don't it can be devastating...go look at the Baltimore at Texas series from last year...almost everybody remembers it.  I avoided that one but was hurt by a few others.  Good teams WILL get swept and you can't do anything to avoid it.  That's the challenge.  (side note:  I've already started a trial run for this year and will begin posting my system here again in a few weeks.  It will be interesting to follow each other).

    Anyway, the system wasn't the greatest in the world and it far underperformed what I hoped last year, but I learned a lot and it helped me make some major adjustments.  Even though I started with a similar premise as you have here, my system differs greatly.  First of all, I don't trust ESPN worth a damn so I designed a program that would calculate my own "RPI" or whatever you want to call it based on many different factors.  There's nothing wrong with trying the "momentum" angle, but that alone probably won't get you too far.  I think a teams scoring ability is important and, while observer55 makes some good points, I have to disagree with the statement that pitching doesn't matter.  I strongly believe it does.  Not necessarily in any one game, but there's a reason that Cy Young winners almost always come from playoff teams.  More importantly, the bullpen makes a huge difference in how a team performs.  For individual games, the line that gets set in vegas is based largely on the starting pitcher...but if you're gonna bet only on the starting pitcher, you better stick to the first 5 innings only IMHO.  Anyway, those are just two things that you might want to add to your equation.

    I don't have any illusions about coming up with a system that will make millions.  It's not going to happen.  I definitely do this for fun more than anything, and have no intention of making it my living.  I love sports, numbers, stats, and just trying to beat the man.  That's the only goal for me.  There are many haters that don't think using numbers and technical analysis can produce a winning edge.  I personally believe sabermetrics is an extremely powerful tool that actually can help you grind out an edge in the long term.  I'm not saying I can do it, or you can't do it, but it's definitely a blast to try.  Keep trying with your system.  Even if it doesn't end up making you money, there's still plenty of value in it.  Learning what doesn't work is a crucial step towards any solution.

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    Thanks Leprechaun for your input.  I know the sweeps can kill you.  My filters are trying to minimize the sweeps.  We'll see how that works!  I'm also monitoring bullpens.

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    Thanks Leprechaun for your input.  I know the sweeps can kill you.  My filters are trying to minimize the sweeps.  We'll see how that works!  I'm also monitoring bullpens.

    Bob
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