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    vanzack
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2014 - 5:39 PM ET #176

    Soccer has been around a long time and has an incredible amount of tradition.  Like any sport, there are lots of rules that could use alteration but it is tough because the sport is worldwide and it is old.

    But anyone pretending that American Footballs system of marking where a guy goes down, and then bringing out chains to measure to the inch for a first down is somehow a good system that couldn't be improved is either crazy or blind.  Or pass interference rule.  Or the strike zone in baseball.  My point is that it is the same for every sport.

    But to address some of the biggest complaints... 

    First the 3 sub rule.  It is in place to protect the smaller teams with smaller budgets.  Unlimited or increased subs mean that rich teams that can essentially afford 2 full starting teams would have a massive advantage.  Smaller teams can barely afford a starting 11  of decent quality and would never be able to compete against a bigger club who could bring in a fresh second team.

    The clock, the fake injuries, the time wasting....  I also agree that this is a big problem that is easily solved.  Don't keep a secret clock on the sideline, let there be a clock that counts up from zero that starts the second there is a stoppage.  It is for everyone to see.  So when someone goes down with an injury - who cares - you can see the time being added - let him roll around for as long as he wants.  This will stop this type of behavior - along with the walking when subs are made - and other time wasting BS.  But once again, tradition is the biggest obstacle to this - but I do see this changing one day.

    Fouls in the box.  PK's are too valuable for a simple foul in the box.  I am open to suggestions on this one - but I think that you keep the foul in the box as a penalty - but you have a simple review when penalties are called.  There is a natural break of time when a penalty is called - and a simple video review with a "yes" or "no" is relayed electronically to the ref.  If it is a dive, a yellow is issued.  If it is a penalty, the PK is awarded.  Either way - no extra time is needed.

    But overall - none of these things ruin the sport for me - and the thought that the sport needs to be tailored to Americans is just silly.  Show me one sport that doesn't have these similar problems and slowness to move.  Soccer is clearly slow and very intrenched in tradition - and FIFA is a corrupt old boy network - but overall I find it much more tolerable than most sports.

     

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    Soccer has been around a long time and has an incredible amount of tradition.  Like any sport, there are lots of rules that could use alteration but it is tough because the sport is worldwide and it is old.

    But anyone pretending that American Footballs system of marking where a guy goes down, and then bringing out chains to measure to the inch for a first down is somehow a good system that couldn't be improved is either crazy or blind.  Or pass interference rule.  Or the strike zone in baseball.  My point is that it is the same for every sport.

    But to address some of the biggest complaints... 

    First the 3 sub rule.  It is in place to protect the smaller teams with smaller budgets.  Unlimited or increased subs mean that rich teams that can essentially afford 2 full starting teams would have a massive advantage.  Smaller teams can barely afford a starting 11  of decent quality and would never be able to compete against a bigger club who could bring in a fresh second team.

    The clock, the fake injuries, the time wasting....  I also agree that this is a big problem that is easily solved.  Don't keep a secret clock on the sideline, let there be a clock that counts up from zero that starts the second there is a stoppage.  It is for everyone to see.  So when someone goes down with an injury - who cares - you can see the time being added - let him roll around for as long as he wants.  This will stop this type of behavior - along with the walking when subs are made - and other time wasting BS.  But once again, tradition is the biggest obstacle to this - but I do see this changing one day.

    Fouls in the box.  PK's are too valuable for a simple foul in the box.  I am open to suggestions on this one - but I think that you keep the foul in the box as a penalty - but you have a simple review when penalties are called.  There is a natural break of time when a penalty is called - and a simple video review with a "yes" or "no" is relayed electronically to the ref.  If it is a dive, a yellow is issued.  If it is a penalty, the PK is awarded.  Either way - no extra time is needed.

    But overall - none of these things ruin the sport for me - and the thought that the sport needs to be tailored to Americans is just silly.  Show me one sport that doesn't have these similar problems and slowness to move.  Soccer is clearly slow and very intrenched in tradition - and FIFA is a corrupt old boy network - but overall I find it much more tolerable than most sports.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2014 - 5:40 PM ET #177

    Quote Originally Posted by MuggsyBogues:

    My biggest problem with this sport is not enough goals.

    And too many players competing for a single ball.

    And not enough action.

    If these were addressed, I'm sure people would care about soccer.


    Oh they do, there is a reason it is the number 1 sport in the world

    My biggest problem with Basketball is too much scoring, my friend is a great capper of the college game but I just watch the last 5 minutes, everything prior to that is a mute point. All personal preferance

    Too many players single ball should they play with two??...although I see your point, there are some leagues where there are tons of goals averaging 6 goals a game & some averaging 1.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuggsyBogues:

    My biggest problem with this sport is not enough goals.

    And too many players competing for a single ball.

    And not enough action.

    If these were addressed, I'm sure people would care about soccer.


    Oh they do, there is a reason it is the number 1 sport in the world

    My biggest problem with Basketball is too much scoring, my friend is a great capper of the college game but I just watch the last 5 minutes, everything prior to that is a mute point. All personal preferance

    Too many players single ball should they play with two??...although I see your point, there are some leagues where there are tons of goals averaging 6 goals a game & some averaging 1.5
     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2014 - 5:45 PM ET #178

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Soccer has been around a long time and has an incredible amount of tradition.  Like any sport, there are lots of rules that could use alteration but it is tough because the sport is worldwide and it is old.

    But anyone pretending that American Footballs system of marking where a guy goes down, and then bringing out chains to measure to the inch for a first down is somehow a good system that couldn't be improved is either crazy or blind.  Or pass interference rule.  Or the strike zone in baseball.  My point is that it is the same for every sport.

    But to address some of the biggest complaints... 

    First the 3 sub rule.  It is in place to protect the smaller teams with smaller budgets.  Unlimited or increased subs mean that rich teams that can essentially afford 2 full starting teams would have a massive advantage.  Smaller teams can barely afford a starting 11  of decent quality and would never be able to compete against a bigger club who could bring in a fresh second team.

    The clock, the fake injuries, the time wasting....  I also agree that this is a big problem that is easily solved.  Don't keep a secret clock on the sideline, let there be a clock that counts up from zero that starts the second there is a stoppage.  It is for everyone to see.  So when someone goes down with an injury - who cares - you can see the time being added - let him roll around for as long as he wants.  This will stop this type of behavior - along with the walking when subs are made - and other time wasting BS.  But once again, tradition is the biggest obstacle to this - but I do see this changing one day.

    Fouls in the box.  PK's are too valuable for a simple foul in the box.  I am open to suggestions on this one - but I think that you keep the foul in the box as a penalty - but you have a simple review when penalties are called.  There is a natural break of time when a penalty is called - and a simple video review with a "yes" or "no" is relayed electronically to the ref.  If it is a dive, a yellow is issued.  If it is a penalty, the PK is awarded.  Either way - no extra time is needed.

    But overall - none of these things ruin the sport for me - and the thought that the sport needs to be tailored to Americans is just silly.  Show me one sport that doesn't have these similar problems and slowness to move.  Soccer is clearly slow and very intrenched in tradition - and FIFA is a corrupt old boy network - but overall I find it much more tolerable than most sports.

     



    Plenty of folks complain about the ref making a big impact in soccer, THIS rule is so open to a "bad call" that makes a huge impact on the game

    Your PK point is a good one as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Soccer has been around a long time and has an incredible amount of tradition.  Like any sport, there are lots of rules that could use alteration but it is tough because the sport is worldwide and it is old.

    But anyone pretending that American Footballs system of marking where a guy goes down, and then bringing out chains to measure to the inch for a first down is somehow a good system that couldn't be improved is either crazy or blind.  Or pass interference rule.  Or the strike zone in baseball.  My point is that it is the same for every sport.

    But to address some of the biggest complaints... 

    First the 3 sub rule.  It is in place to protect the smaller teams with smaller budgets.  Unlimited or increased subs mean that rich teams that can essentially afford 2 full starting teams would have a massive advantage.  Smaller teams can barely afford a starting 11  of decent quality and would never be able to compete against a bigger club who could bring in a fresh second team.

    The clock, the fake injuries, the time wasting....  I also agree that this is a big problem that is easily solved.  Don't keep a secret clock on the sideline, let there be a clock that counts up from zero that starts the second there is a stoppage.  It is for everyone to see.  So when someone goes down with an injury - who cares - you can see the time being added - let him roll around for as long as he wants.  This will stop this type of behavior - along with the walking when subs are made - and other time wasting BS.  But once again, tradition is the biggest obstacle to this - but I do see this changing one day.

    Fouls in the box.  PK's are too valuable for a simple foul in the box.  I am open to suggestions on this one - but I think that you keep the foul in the box as a penalty - but you have a simple review when penalties are called.  There is a natural break of time when a penalty is called - and a simple video review with a "yes" or "no" is relayed electronically to the ref.  If it is a dive, a yellow is issued.  If it is a penalty, the PK is awarded.  Either way - no extra time is needed.

    But overall - none of these things ruin the sport for me - and the thought that the sport needs to be tailored to Americans is just silly.  Show me one sport that doesn't have these similar problems and slowness to move.  Soccer is clearly slow and very intrenched in tradition - and FIFA is a corrupt old boy network - but overall I find it much more tolerable than most sports.

     



    Plenty of folks complain about the ref making a big impact in soccer, THIS rule is so open to a "bad call" that makes a huge impact on the game

    Your PK point is a good one as well
     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2014 - 6:17 PM ET #179

    The game was not designed to be a contest to see who could to be fouled in the box.  If you go back and watch FA Cup Finals from the 60's, 70's and 80's, you'll see very few "shouts" for hand-balls or other penalites, and it generally took a full body blow to knock down someone with a legitimate scoring chance in the box.  Now, the whole idea seems to be to become as fragile as possible either to feign contact at all, or to create contact that could just as easilly have been avoided.  It's ridiculous, and it isn't "just llike we see in other sports," because the penatly is so draconian. Imagine Tim Duncan flopping to draw a foul and being awarded 23 foul shots.  You get the idea.

    And, as noted, it's not just flopping.  It's "keeping one's leg in" and going limp at the knees and other crap designed to win by arbitration, not competition. It all sucks.

    I don't see why the box can't be about 2/3 the size that it is now.  Or perhaps you get rid of the box altogether and simply award PK's when "clear scoring chances" are cancelled out by foul, whevever they may be.

    Commentators, writers, pundits, etc. should stop talking about how well someone "sells" a faux foul, and focus more on shaming the tools who do.

    All PK's awarded should be reviewed (I"m on the fence as to when), and divers banned five matches. Serial offenders can go back to Uruguay where they belong.  

    All goals scored (or waved off, after they wind up in the net) should be reviewed immediately following the score to see if it was on-side.  I would be curious as to what the game would look like if that rule was tossed altogether, but I suspect there would be some unintended consequences we probably wouldn't like.

    The clock and time wasting are a joke.  They are easilly remedied, as mentioned several times above.  The fact that there seems to be little stomach for doing so on the world front makes me suspicious of the world front in general.  Yes, even more than usual. 

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    The game was not designed to be a contest to see who could to be fouled in the box.  If you go back and watch FA Cup Finals from the 60's, 70's and 80's, you'll see very few "shouts" for hand-balls or other penalites, and it generally took a full body blow to knock down someone with a legitimate scoring chance in the box.  Now, the whole idea seems to be to become as fragile as possible either to feign contact at all, or to create contact that could just as easilly have been avoided.  It's ridiculous, and it isn't "just llike we see in other sports," because the penatly is so draconian. Imagine Tim Duncan flopping to draw a foul and being awarded 23 foul shots.  You get the idea.

    And, as noted, it's not just flopping.  It's "keeping one's leg in" and going limp at the knees and other crap designed to win by arbitration, not competition. It all sucks.

    I don't see why the box can't be about 2/3 the size that it is now.  Or perhaps you get rid of the box altogether and simply award PK's when "clear scoring chances" are cancelled out by foul, whevever they may be.

    Commentators, writers, pundits, etc. should stop talking about how well someone "sells" a faux foul, and focus more on shaming the tools who do.

    All PK's awarded should be reviewed (I"m on the fence as to when), and divers banned five matches. Serial offenders can go back to Uruguay where they belong.  

    All goals scored (or waved off, after they wind up in the net) should be reviewed immediately following the score to see if it was on-side.  I would be curious as to what the game would look like if that rule was tossed altogether, but I suspect there would be some unintended consequences we probably wouldn't like.

    The clock and time wasting are a joke.  They are easilly remedied, as mentioned several times above.  The fact that there seems to be little stomach for doing so on the world front makes me suspicious of the world front in general.  Yes, even more than usual. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2014 - 6:48 PM ET #180

    If a true scoring chance has been denied, then it should still be a PK.

    Any other foul in the box, the ball should be walked back, on a linear plane, to the edge of the penalty box and a free kick is awarded from there.

    The foul Robben drew should have just been a free kick.

     

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    If a true scoring chance has been denied, then it should still be a PK.

    Any other foul in the box, the ball should be walked back, on a linear plane, to the edge of the penalty box and a free kick is awarded from there.

    The foul Robben drew should have just been a free kick.

     

     
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    Vanzack, do you see an alternative to the shootout in the future? It feels like such a crapshoot to determine what team advances. Why not have each team have 3 chances with a 4 on 2 (plus GK). Team gets 30 seconds to score and moment possession is lost the attempt is called dead... that's closer in spirit to the actual game than a shootout imo. And as we've seen in the World Cup, teams find ways to bungle odd man rushes so it's not a gimme...
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    Vanzack, do you see an alternative to the shootout in the future? It feels like such a crapshoot to determine what team advances. Why not have each team have 3 chances with a 4 on 2 (plus GK). Team gets 30 seconds to score and moment possession is lost the attempt is called dead... that's closer in spirit to the actual game than a shootout imo. And as we've seen in the World Cup, teams find ways to bungle odd man rushes so it's not a gimme...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by beertapper:

    Vanzack, do you see an alternative to the shootout in the future? It feels like such a crapshoot to determine what team advances. Why not have each team have 3 chances with a 4 on 2 (plus GK). Team gets 30 seconds to score and moment possession is lost the attempt is called dead... that's closer in spirit to the actual game than a shootout imo. And as we've seen in the World Cup, teams find ways to bungle odd man rushes so it's not a gimme...

    Just make it sudden death and after 30 minutes, if it is still tied, both teams play without a goalkeeper
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    Quote Originally Posted by beertapper:

    Vanzack, do you see an alternative to the shootout in the future? It feels like such a crapshoot to determine what team advances. Why not have each team have 3 chances with a 4 on 2 (plus GK). Team gets 30 seconds to score and moment possession is lost the attempt is called dead... that's closer in spirit to the actual game than a shootout imo. And as we've seen in the World Cup, teams find ways to bungle odd man rushes so it's not a gimme...

    Just make it sudden death and after 30 minutes, if it is still tied, both teams play without a goalkeeper
     
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    Let's go back to sudden death but no pks - play until you drop. Hockey manages just fine. Every 15 min each team gets an extra sub.
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    My complaints are because I'm an American but....

    The time clock not stopping

    Shootouts

    Flopping

    Too many leagues with talent spread out. A 40 team European super league is sick in theory. 

    Players on loan.

    Players competing in the Champions League that weren't even on the team the year prior (Gareth Bale for example). 

    My suggestion is hold the Champions League after the regular season with the winners from the leagues. 8 team 2 leg tourney.


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    My complaints are because I'm an American but....

    The time clock not stopping

    Shootouts

    Flopping

    Too many leagues with talent spread out. A 40 team European super league is sick in theory. 

    Players on loan.

    Players competing in the Champions League that weren't even on the team the year prior (Gareth Bale for example). 

    My suggestion is hold the Champions League after the regular season with the winners from the leagues. 8 team 2 leg tourney.


     
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    Lots of great ideas here about reforming the game, and I agree with many of them, especially regarding time keeping and penalties.

    Stop the clock when the game is not being played.

    Allow the managers two video challenges per game.

    If an offensive player is diving in the box, give the ref the leeway to award a penalty shot to the defensive team.

    I'll admit as a Ghana fan, I'm a little biased on this one, but if a defensive player uses his hand to block a sure goal, then the ref should have the power to award a goal. The NHL have similar rules that can be applied in very specific situations.

    Having said all that, FIFA is corrupt from the boardroom to the pitch, as are many of its members. The arbitrary nature that governs the entire entity from top to bottom may serve the machine and those who benefit from it well, but it is an insult to both the fans and players.

    At the top end we have a borderline pariah state like Qatar being awarded the World Cup and on the pitch we have rules that encourage players to cheat at every turn.

    While I am no football expert, I do love the WC, but I lament so many of the obvious shortcomings inside and outside the game.
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    Lots of great ideas here about reforming the game, and I agree with many of them, especially regarding time keeping and penalties.

    Stop the clock when the game is not being played.

    Allow the managers two video challenges per game.

    If an offensive player is diving in the box, give the ref the leeway to award a penalty shot to the defensive team.

    I'll admit as a Ghana fan, I'm a little biased on this one, but if a defensive player uses his hand to block a sure goal, then the ref should have the power to award a goal. The NHL have similar rules that can be applied in very specific situations.

    Having said all that, FIFA is corrupt from the boardroom to the pitch, as are many of its members. The arbitrary nature that governs the entire entity from top to bottom may serve the machine and those who benefit from it well, but it is an insult to both the fans and players.

    At the top end we have a borderline pariah state like Qatar being awarded the World Cup and on the pitch we have rules that encourage players to cheat at every turn.

    While I am no football expert, I do love the WC, but I lament so many of the obvious shortcomings inside and outside the game.
     
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    The American perspective on 'soccer' (the only country on the planet that still uses this term) is just that, "american point of view" the so called changes of discussion will never even be considered under FIFA regulations, and traditional policy that was set forth well over a hundred years ago, but yet the climate in america is to change the entire sport to 'their' way of thinking, which is asinine to the rest of the world, and to those who follow the sport from the american side of the pond; there are numerous reasons why the acceptence of the sport on american soil is neglected, has no future, a league (MLS) that is laughed upon worlwide as nothing more than a joke, paying over the hill europeans vast salaries, surounding them by 3rd division players, playing in 28,000 seat stadiums, crowning Champions that go nowhere on the international competitive market. You'll never see the World Cup won by the USA, at least in this millenium, and frankly speaking, who cares? with the exception of a very small minority, soccer in the USA is, and always will be an amatuer sport. I'll take the NFL and the Super Bowl over the FIFA World Cup Finals any day! although anyone outside of the USA could not even remotely agree, or understand why. change the rules, and regulations of FIFA? not in your wildest imagination, or lifetime,

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    The American perspective on 'soccer' (the only country on the planet that still uses this term) is just that, "american point of view" the so called changes of discussion will never even be considered under FIFA regulations, and traditional policy that was set forth well over a hundred years ago, but yet the climate in america is to change the entire sport to 'their' way of thinking, which is asinine to the rest of the world, and to those who follow the sport from the american side of the pond; there are numerous reasons why the acceptence of the sport on american soil is neglected, has no future, a league (MLS) that is laughed upon worlwide as nothing more than a joke, paying over the hill europeans vast salaries, surounding them by 3rd division players, playing in 28,000 seat stadiums, crowning Champions that go nowhere on the international competitive market. You'll never see the World Cup won by the USA, at least in this millenium, and frankly speaking, who cares? with the exception of a very small minority, soccer in the USA is, and always will be an amatuer sport. I'll take the NFL and the Super Bowl over the FIFA World Cup Finals any day! although anyone outside of the USA could not even remotely agree, or understand why. change the rules, and regulations of FIFA? not in your wildest imagination, or lifetime,

    Belgium -vs- Argentina [DRAW]

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    The American perspective on 'soccer' (the only country on the planet that still uses this term) is just that, "american point of view" the so called changes of discussion will never even be considered under FIFA regulations, and traditional policy that was set forth well over a hundred years ago, but yet the climate in america is to change the entire sport to 'their' way of thinking, which is asinine to the rest of the world, and to those who follow the sport from the american side of the pond; there are numerous reasons why the acceptence of the sport on american soil is neglected, has no future, a league (MLS) that is laughed upon worlwide as nothing more than a joke, paying over the hill europeans vast salaries, surounding them by 3rd division players, playing in 28,000 seat stadiums, crowning Champions that go nowhere on the international competitive market. You'll never see the World Cup won by the USA, at least in this millenium, and frankly speaking, who cares? with the exception of a very small minority, soccer in the USA is, and always will be an amatuer sport. I'll take the NFL and the Super Bowl over the FIFA World Cup Finals any day! although anyone outside of the USA could not even remotely agree, or understand why. change the rules, and regulations of FIFA? not in your wildest imagination, or lifetime,

    Belgium -vs- Argentina [DRAW]


    C'mon.  You think ALL of the rule changes we have suggested are "asinine" and none of them would help the game or increase the integrity of the game?! 

    Okay. Enjoy the flops and the injustices.

    True, we also have some stupid rules in baseball, basketball and football that need changing and some technology that can be applied to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    The American perspective on 'soccer' (the only country on the planet that still uses this term) is just that, "american point of view" the so called changes of discussion will never even be considered under FIFA regulations, and traditional policy that was set forth well over a hundred years ago, but yet the climate in america is to change the entire sport to 'their' way of thinking, which is asinine to the rest of the world, and to those who follow the sport from the american side of the pond; there are numerous reasons why the acceptence of the sport on american soil is neglected, has no future, a league (MLS) that is laughed upon worlwide as nothing more than a joke, paying over the hill europeans vast salaries, surounding them by 3rd division players, playing in 28,000 seat stadiums, crowning Champions that go nowhere on the international competitive market. You'll never see the World Cup won by the USA, at least in this millenium, and frankly speaking, who cares? with the exception of a very small minority, soccer in the USA is, and always will be an amatuer sport. I'll take the NFL and the Super Bowl over the FIFA World Cup Finals any day! although anyone outside of the USA could not even remotely agree, or understand why. change the rules, and regulations of FIFA? not in your wildest imagination, or lifetime,

    Belgium -vs- Argentina [DRAW]


    C'mon.  You think ALL of the rule changes we have suggested are "asinine" and none of them would help the game or increase the integrity of the game?! 

    Okay. Enjoy the flops and the injustices.

    True, we also have some stupid rules in baseball, basketball and football that need changing and some technology that can be applied to help.
     
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    I just want to throw something into the mix. Stoppage time is NOT the amount of time the ball is not in play.

    In the average 2014 World Cup match through June 30th, the ball was out of play for 42 minutes and 11 seconds, according to data provided by Prozone, one of several companies that log every play in every match. Yet just six minutes of combined stoppage time were added to the average game.

    The second half of the U.S.-Portugal game included 22 minutes and 50 seconds in which the ball was out of play — yet no one was expecting the referee to add 23 minutes at the end.

    I don't think the running clock is a problem and I only dislike the time-wasting when my team (or bet) is losing.


    Sports_Network, I agree with the first half of your post entirely.
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    I just want to throw something into the mix. Stoppage time is NOT the amount of time the ball is not in play.

    In the average 2014 World Cup match through June 30th, the ball was out of play for 42 minutes and 11 seconds, according to data provided by Prozone, one of several companies that log every play in every match. Yet just six minutes of combined stoppage time were added to the average game.

    The second half of the U.S.-Portugal game included 22 minutes and 50 seconds in which the ball was out of play — yet no one was expecting the referee to add 23 minutes at the end.

    I don't think the running clock is a problem and I only dislike the time-wasting when my team (or bet) is losing.


    Sports_Network, I agree with the first half of your post entirely.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasrebel417:

    My complaints are because I'm an American but....

    The time clock not stopping

    Shootouts

    Flopping

    Too many leagues with talent spread out. A 40 team European super league is sick in theory. 

    Players on loan.

    Players competing in the Champions League that weren't even on the team the year prior (Gareth Bale for example). 

    My suggestion is hold the Champions League after the regular season with the winners from the leagues. 8 team 2 leg tourney.


    I respect your opinion but there is a whole lot wrong here
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    My complaints are because I'm an American but....

    The time clock not stopping

    Shootouts

    Flopping

    Too many leagues with talent spread out. A 40 team European super league is sick in theory. 

    Players on loan.

    Players competing in the Champions League that weren't even on the team the year prior (Gareth Bale for example). 

    My suggestion is hold the Champions League after the regular season with the winners from the leagues. 8 team 2 leg tourney.


    I respect your opinion but there is a whole lot wrong here
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    The American perspective on 'soccer' (the only country on the planet that still uses this term) is just that, "american point of view" the so called changes of discussion will never even be considered under FIFA regulations, and traditional policy that was set forth well over a hundred years ago, but yet the climate in america is to change the entire sport to 'their' way of thinking, which is asinine to the rest of the world, and to those who follow the sport from the american side of the pond; there are numerous reasons why the acceptence of the sport on american soil is neglected, has no future, a league (MLS) that is laughed upon worlwide as nothing more than a joke, paying over the hill europeans vast salaries, surounding them by 3rd division players, playing in 28,000 seat stadiums, crowning Champions that go nowhere on the international competitive market. You'll never see the World Cup won by the USA, at least in this millenium, and frankly speaking, who cares? with the exception of a very small minority, soccer in the USA is, and always will be an amatuer sport. I'll take the NFL and the Super Bowl over the FIFA World Cup Finals any day! although anyone outside of the USA could not even remotely agree, or understand why. change the rules, and regulations of FIFA? not in your wildest imagination, or lifetime,

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    In other words, Americanisation. Nada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    The American perspective on 'soccer' (the only country on the planet that still uses this term) is just that, "american point of view" the so called changes of discussion will never even be considered under FIFA regulations, and traditional policy that was set forth well over a hundred years ago, but yet the climate in america is to change the entire sport to 'their' way of thinking, which is asinine to the rest of the world, and to those who follow the sport from the american side of the pond; there are numerous reasons why the acceptence of the sport on american soil is neglected, has no future, a league (MLS) that is laughed upon worlwide as nothing more than a joke, paying over the hill europeans vast salaries, surounding them by 3rd division players, playing in 28,000 seat stadiums, crowning Champions that go nowhere on the international competitive market. You'll never see the World Cup won by the USA, at least in this millenium, and frankly speaking, who cares? with the exception of a very small minority, soccer in the USA is, and always will be an amatuer sport. I'll take the NFL and the Super Bowl over the FIFA World Cup Finals any day! although anyone outside of the USA could not even remotely agree, or understand why. change the rules, and regulations of FIFA? not in your wildest imagination, or lifetime,

    Belgium -vs- Argentina [DRAW]


    In other words, Americanisation. Nada.
     
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    There has been a lot of International outcry for many of these changes for some time. 

    You can't say these are "Americanization" suggestions.
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    There has been a lot of International outcry for many of these changes for some time. 

    You can't say these are "Americanization" suggestions.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoFred:

    I just want to throw something into the mix. Stoppage time is NOT the amount of time the ball is not in play.

    In the average 2014 World Cup match through June 30th, the ball was out of play for 42 minutes and 11 seconds, according to data provided by Prozone, one of several companies that log every play in every match. Yet just six minutes of combined stoppage time were added to the average game.

    The second half of the U.S.-Portugal game included 22 minutes and 50 seconds in which the ball was out of play — yet no one was expecting the referee to add 23 minutes at the end.

    I don't think the running clock is a problem and I only dislike the time-wasting when my team (or bet) is losing.


    Sports_Network, I agree with the first half of your post entirely.

    Wow! That's amazing Fred. Almost half the time, the ball is out of play?! Doesn't seem like it.

    Obviously, you can't put that much time back on. Just for injuries and subs and other long delays.
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    I just want to throw something into the mix. Stoppage time is NOT the amount of time the ball is not in play.

    In the average 2014 World Cup match through June 30th, the ball was out of play for 42 minutes and 11 seconds, according to data provided by Prozone, one of several companies that log every play in every match. Yet just six minutes of combined stoppage time were added to the average game.

    The second half of the U.S.-Portugal game included 22 minutes and 50 seconds in which the ball was out of play — yet no one was expecting the referee to add 23 minutes at the end.

    I don't think the running clock is a problem and I only dislike the time-wasting when my team (or bet) is losing.


    Sports_Network, I agree with the first half of your post entirely.

    Wow! That's amazing Fred. Almost half the time, the ball is out of play?! Doesn't seem like it.

    Obviously, you can't put that much time back on. Just for injuries and subs and other long delays.
     
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    Refs really only add stoppage time on restarts (throw-ins, free kicks, etc) if a player takes a particularly long time. Majority of stoppage time comes from injury delays. So it's not really that bad.

    I still think, however, that it shouldn't be left in the hands of the ref. I'm not really sure why stopping/re-starting the clock hasn't been done by now.
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    Refs really only add stoppage time on restarts (throw-ins, free kicks, etc) if a player takes a particularly long time. Majority of stoppage time comes from injury delays. So it's not really that bad.

    I still think, however, that it shouldn't be left in the hands of the ref. I'm not really sure why stopping/re-starting the clock hasn't been done by now.
     
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    As for the flopping/diving, despite the fact that I despise it and I think it prevents many outsiders from really getting into the sport, I feel that this is WAY too subjective. They have diving penalties in hockey but it rarely ever gets called because it's very hard for a ref to make that decision when he's paying attention to fifteen other things occurring on the pitch.

    Just my two cents.
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    As for the flopping/diving, despite the fact that I despise it and I think it prevents many outsiders from really getting into the sport, I feel that this is WAY too subjective. They have diving penalties in hockey but it rarely ever gets called because it's very hard for a ref to make that decision when he's paying attention to fifteen other things occurring on the pitch.

    Just my two cents.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeble5672:

    As for the flopping/diving, despite the fact that I despise it and I think it prevents many outsiders from really getting into the sport, I feel that this is WAY too subjective. They have diving penalties in hockey but it rarely ever gets called because it's very hard for a ref to make that decision when he's paying attention to fifteen other things occurring on the pitch.

    Just my two cents.

    I think the flopping/diving issue is something that needs to be addressed more after the fact, by handing down penalties/suspensions after it can be reviewed post-game.  I think once some players start missing multiple matches and getting docked pay, it might improve.  Penalties should include, but not be limited to deportation to Uruguay.  Thanks MaineRoad for that laugh.


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    As for the flopping/diving, despite the fact that I despise it and I think it prevents many outsiders from really getting into the sport, I feel that this is WAY too subjective. They have diving penalties in hockey but it rarely ever gets called because it's very hard for a ref to make that decision when he's paying attention to fifteen other things occurring on the pitch.

    Just my two cents.

    I think the flopping/diving issue is something that needs to be addressed more after the fact, by handing down penalties/suspensions after it can be reviewed post-game.  I think once some players start missing multiple matches and getting docked pay, it might improve.  Penalties should include, but not be limited to deportation to Uruguay.  Thanks MaineRoad for that laugh.


     
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    Fergie time...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20464371
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20464371
     
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    I know many believe that corruption exists in governments, religions, schools, corporations and just about everything - but- somehow professional sports are exempt.

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/485956/Cameroon-probe-MATCH-FIXING-claims-among-SEVEN-squad-players-at-World-Cup

    I think tomorrow's games will be on the level. Why? Because Chile Brazil came down to the absolute wire. That game was called fair and square.
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    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/485956/Cameroon-probe-MATCH-FIXING-claims-among-SEVEN-squad-players-at-World-Cup

    I think tomorrow's games will be on the level. Why? Because Chile Brazil came down to the absolute wire. That game was called fair and square.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Soccer has been around a long time and has an incredible amount of tradition.  Like any sport, there are lots of rules that could use alteration but it is tough because the sport is worldwide and it is old.

    But to address some of the biggest complaints... 

    Thoughts on tweaking offsides rule? What do you think strategy would be if there were no offsides, etc.  Or you much prefer the current rule as it is?

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    Soccer has been around a long time and has an incredible amount of tradition.  Like any sport, there are lots of rules that could use alteration but it is tough because the sport is worldwide and it is old.

    But to address some of the biggest complaints... 

    Thoughts on tweaking offsides rule? What do you think strategy would be if there were no offsides, etc.  Or you much prefer the current rule as it is?

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Thoughts on tweaking offsides rule? What do you think strategy would be if there were no offsides, etc.  Or you much prefer the current rule as it is?


    Can you imagine having off-sides in basketball?! No fast breaks?!
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    Can you imagine having off-sides in basketball?! No fast breaks?!
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