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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2011 - 3:15 AM ET #1

    Goodbye..........

    And take that dog with you.

    Watch us make a charge now, with the roster we have.

    He deadset lost the team a while ago now.

    I will be on the dogs tomorrow night. Watch out for a wounded dog.

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    Goodbye..........

    And take that dog with you.

    Watch us make a charge now, with the roster we have.

    He deadset lost the team a while ago now.

    I will be on the dogs tomorrow night. Watch out for a wounded dog.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2011 - 3:18 AM ET #2

    Agreed

    Wounded Dog is a scary Dog

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    Wounded Dog is a scary Dog

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2011 - 7:39 AM ET #3

    The sad thing is that if the Dogs do win tomorrow night people will be quick to point the finger to Moore blaming him for the Dogs failures this season without realising that they simply are not as good as first advertised preseason
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    The sad thing is that if the Dogs do win tomorrow night people will be quick to point the finger to Moore blaming him for the Dogs failures this season without realising that they simply are not as good as first advertised preseason
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2011 - 8:01 AM ET #4

    I think most people realise that the Dogs squad was never as good as advertised.
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2011 - 8:41 AM ET #5

    Weren't the Dogs second favs to win the comp at the beginning of the season by all the bookmakers? Just saying
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2011 - 8:52 AM ET #6

    Maybe bookmakers set markets for action? Just saying.

    I never rated them, and many people that I spoke to never rated them.

    Where did the bookmakers have the Roosters?

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    Maybe bookmakers set markets for action? Just saying.

    I never rated them, and many people that I spoke to never rated them.

    Where did the bookmakers have the Roosters?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2011 - 9:04 AM ET #7

    Not futures markets
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2011 - 9:05 AM ET #8

    I don't believe bookmakers know much more than you or I when it comes to setting premiership markets at the start of the year.

    I didn't rate Manly, look how that worked out for me

    Likewise, one bookmaker was happy to offer $1.72 on Melbourne making the eight.

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    I don't believe bookmakers know much more than you or I when it comes to setting premiership markets at the start of the year.

    I didn't rate Manly, look how that worked out for me

    Likewise, one bookmaker was happy to offer $1.72 on Melbourne making the eight.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2011 - 9:29 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    Weren't the Dogs second favs to win the comp at the beginning of the season by all the bookmakers? Just saying

    they were around about the fourth line of betting, behind the Dragons, Tigers and Roosters 


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    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    Weren't the Dogs second favs to win the comp at the beginning of the season by all the bookmakers? Just saying

    they were around about the fourth line of betting, behind the Dragons, Tigers and Roosters 


     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2011 - 10:53 AM ET #10

    I disagree, we have a very good roster, but this all comes down to the coach.

    Aiden Tolman - starting grand final winning frower for the storm and touted for NSW.

    Ennis, starting hooker for NSW

    Pritchard, NZ international. The only gripe is, does he bring it every game. I will talk about this in a minute, but in terms of talent, it is undeniable.

    Eastwood, NZ international, was arguably NZ's best forward when they beat Aus last year in Brisbane.

    Josh Morris, has represented NSW in the past and is an outstanding back.

    Idris, has represented NSW and Aus. Has some motivation issues and defensive issue.

    Steve Turner, has represented NSW, GF winning winger and Bellamy has been on record as saying he was close to tears when he had to leave.

    Barba, one of the talents of the comp, leading try scorer in the NRL. Has issues under the bomb, but so did Billy Slater early in his career.

    Trent Hodkinson, Starting half back for City.

    Now, the talent is definitly there, furthermore, we have been pretty lucky with injuries this year.

    The problem was Kevin Moore. He divided and alienated the team by playing favourites. Every week, he would pick Michael Hodgson, David Stagg, Andrew Ryan and Kris Keating. IMO, Kris Keating was the most harmful piece in that team. He is the biggest ball hog i have ever witnessed in the team. I have never seen a player so full of himself. Furthermore, it is the wrong position to be a ball hog in. All season long, Pritchard and Morris never saw quality ball cause this hack thinks he is the best player and can do it all himself. He was on the bench behind Parra's anemic offense last year, what does that tell you? Furthermore, he just came in front of Ben Roberts for a spot? Straight away Moore alienated the team here.

    In 09, ROberts was outstanding, giving good ball to Morris and Goodwin, they were prolific try scorers that year. This year, they have hardly crossed the stripe.

    Keating is NOT a creator, he is only good off the bench, followng the ball off second phase play. He doesnt have a clue in creating off set structures. He is the typical modern day 5/8 who has no idea on how to create for others.

    Did you know, we lead the league in tries from our own half? 42 of our 50 tries are from our own half way line...... That is absurd. It shows that the team was scoring off individual brilliance rather than set structures and plays (this is where Moore failed).

    Jamal Idris, we never set plays where he was running on the ball / angles, hitting the weak shoulder of the opposition. He always caught the ball flat footed, shrugged off 2-3 players for a 5 metre gain? WTF is that? Furthemore, he is one of the best in the air, we are one of the last teams to score tries off bombs cause we never did even attempt this. 2 weeks ago against Penrith, they scored 3 tries off kicks against us. When we put up our first bomb in that game in the 70th minute, we immediately got results. Why wouldnt u raid Coote with Idris running onto it? Just a suggestion there.

    The team never got up for big games, all to often we were passive on our defensive line with the opp making 60 metres per set. This is a clear indication that the coach isnt a good motivator.

    In terms of a tactician, he has no idea, as i said, we dont score in the opp 20, we have no set plays, all our tries come off in our own half.

    Look at Idris, he has had massive issues reading defenses for 2 years and hasnt improved. This is Moore's fault.

    I can go on and on and on. However, Moore's downfall was that he was stubborn and paid too much loyalty to players, he wanted to re-sign Andrew Ryan ffs.

    Moore in 09 had a very very lucky year, very lucky. Players like Ryan, Stagg, Hodgson and co were responsible for this. But this was an illusion, we were very very lucky. When there true colours came out, he didnt have the balls to demote them and stuck with them no matter what, hence they ended his coaching career.

    The talent it definitly there, just not the right man to steer the team. Not many players have improved as footballers since he came into coaching.

    He was never even interviewed for the coaches role, he only got it cause of his surname.  In fact, him and Daniel Mortimer are similar, both get a start cause of there surnames, had a few lucky wins in the same year, then there true colours show, and they should never have been there in the first place. Then because Moore has so many mates on the board, they didnt have the nerve to sack him and only recently have done so cause there own positions was being threatened.

    Lets get someone clean that is NOT attached to the club, follow the due process and diligence and watch us come back heavily into the mix.

    One might say, well the players havent aimed up, it is not the coaches fault, ok, fair enough, if the players week after week dont aim up, why do u keep selecting them? 

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    I disagree, we have a very good roster, but this all comes down to the coach.

    Aiden Tolman - starting grand final winning frower for the storm and touted for NSW.

    Ennis, starting hooker for NSW

    Pritchard, NZ international. The only gripe is, does he bring it every game. I will talk about this in a minute, but in terms of talent, it is undeniable.

    Eastwood, NZ international, was arguably NZ's best forward when they beat Aus last year in Brisbane.

    Josh Morris, has represented NSW in the past and is an outstanding back.

    Idris, has represented NSW and Aus. Has some motivation issues and defensive issue.

    Steve Turner, has represented NSW, GF winning winger and Bellamy has been on record as saying he was close to tears when he had to leave.

    Barba, one of the talents of the comp, leading try scorer in the NRL. Has issues under the bomb, but so did Billy Slater early in his career.

    Trent Hodkinson, Starting half back for City.

    Now, the talent is definitly there, furthermore, we have been pretty lucky with injuries this year.

    The problem was Kevin Moore. He divided and alienated the team by playing favourites. Every week, he would pick Michael Hodgson, David Stagg, Andrew Ryan and Kris Keating. IMO, Kris Keating was the most harmful piece in that team. He is the biggest ball hog i have ever witnessed in the team. I have never seen a player so full of himself. Furthermore, it is the wrong position to be a ball hog in. All season long, Pritchard and Morris never saw quality ball cause this hack thinks he is the best player and can do it all himself. He was on the bench behind Parra's anemic offense last year, what does that tell you? Furthermore, he just came in front of Ben Roberts for a spot? Straight away Moore alienated the team here.

    In 09, ROberts was outstanding, giving good ball to Morris and Goodwin, they were prolific try scorers that year. This year, they have hardly crossed the stripe.

    Keating is NOT a creator, he is only good off the bench, followng the ball off second phase play. He doesnt have a clue in creating off set structures. He is the typical modern day 5/8 who has no idea on how to create for others.

    Did you know, we lead the league in tries from our own half? 42 of our 50 tries are from our own half way line...... That is absurd. It shows that the team was scoring off individual brilliance rather than set structures and plays (this is where Moore failed).

    Jamal Idris, we never set plays where he was running on the ball / angles, hitting the weak shoulder of the opposition. He always caught the ball flat footed, shrugged off 2-3 players for a 5 metre gain? WTF is that? Furthemore, he is one of the best in the air, we are one of the last teams to score tries off bombs cause we never did even attempt this. 2 weeks ago against Penrith, they scored 3 tries off kicks against us. When we put up our first bomb in that game in the 70th minute, we immediately got results. Why wouldnt u raid Coote with Idris running onto it? Just a suggestion there.

    The team never got up for big games, all to often we were passive on our defensive line with the opp making 60 metres per set. This is a clear indication that the coach isnt a good motivator.

    In terms of a tactician, he has no idea, as i said, we dont score in the opp 20, we have no set plays, all our tries come off in our own half.

    Look at Idris, he has had massive issues reading defenses for 2 years and hasnt improved. This is Moore's fault.

    I can go on and on and on. However, Moore's downfall was that he was stubborn and paid too much loyalty to players, he wanted to re-sign Andrew Ryan ffs.

    Moore in 09 had a very very lucky year, very lucky. Players like Ryan, Stagg, Hodgson and co were responsible for this. But this was an illusion, we were very very lucky. When there true colours came out, he didnt have the balls to demote them and stuck with them no matter what, hence they ended his coaching career.

    The talent it definitly there, just not the right man to steer the team. Not many players have improved as footballers since he came into coaching.

    He was never even interviewed for the coaches role, he only got it cause of his surname.  In fact, him and Daniel Mortimer are similar, both get a start cause of there surnames, had a few lucky wins in the same year, then there true colours show, and they should never have been there in the first place. Then because Moore has so many mates on the board, they didnt have the nerve to sack him and only recently have done so cause there own positions was being threatened.

    Lets get someone clean that is NOT attached to the club, follow the due process and diligence and watch us come back heavily into the mix.

    One might say, well the players havent aimed up, it is not the coaches fault, ok, fair enough, if the players week after week dont aim up, why do u keep selecting them? 

     
     
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    Oh and i forgot to mention, our NSW cup team has been the BEST for the past 3-4 years. It is virtually a first grade side and our NYC team is also very succesful, YET, he kept on picking the same players every week even though they werent aiming up. It is  very easy to see where he has failed.

    I remember when they asked him what is one area of the modern game he would like to see changed, he said reduce the points where tries come off kicks. This shows that he isnt a fan of this. Well guess what, with the way defenses are and how slow the play the balls are, it is a massive part of the game. His stubborness showed that we never put up kicks cause he isnt  a fan of it.

    The recipe of being a succesful coach in the NRl is you have to ADAPT to the ever changing evolution of the interpretation of the rules and changes in styles of play. He thought, well it worked for me in 09, not realising he had an enormous amount of luck that year. Furthermore, we just came off the spoon and we had new players that wanted to prove themselves.

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    Oh and i forgot to mention, our NSW cup team has been the BEST for the past 3-4 years. It is virtually a first grade side and our NYC team is also very succesful, YET, he kept on picking the same players every week even though they werent aiming up. It is  very easy to see where he has failed.

    I remember when they asked him what is one area of the modern game he would like to see changed, he said reduce the points where tries come off kicks. This shows that he isnt a fan of this. Well guess what, with the way defenses are and how slow the play the balls are, it is a massive part of the game. His stubborness showed that we never put up kicks cause he isnt  a fan of it.

    The recipe of being a succesful coach in the NRl is you have to ADAPT to the ever changing evolution of the interpretation of the rules and changes in styles of play. He thought, well it worked for me in 09, not realising he had an enormous amount of luck that year. Furthermore, we just came off the spoon and we had new players that wanted to prove themselves.

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