Just watching this old game on Fox between Manly and Dogs back in 93........I tell you what, the ruck was so much quicker back then than it is today. There is next to zero wrestle in the ruck. The play the balls are much much quicker. I was expecting the opposite.
Furthermore, it is so nice seeing genuine ball players in Lamb and Lyons. These teams relying on classic rugby league tries through the hands, creating overlaps, putting guys through holes....No where near the same amount of bombs being put up.
That is genuine rugby league as opposed to some of the rubbish we see today. The game is full of wrestle, no ball playing , creativity and teams relying on lottery bombs for there tries.
Players seem to be so much smarter back then today. Players always looking for support where as now players think they can steam roll over anyone they want.
Oh they were the days...
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Just watching this old game on Fox between Manly and Dogs back in 93........I tell you what, the ruck was so much quicker back then than it is today. There is next to zero wrestle in the ruck. The play the balls are much much quicker. I was expecting the opposite.
Furthermore, it is so nice seeing genuine ball players in Lamb and Lyons. These teams relying on classic rugby league tries through the hands, creating overlaps, putting guys through holes....No where near the same amount of bombs being put up.
That is genuine rugby league as opposed to some of the rubbish we see today. The game is full of wrestle, no ball playing , creativity and teams relying on lottery bombs for there tries.
Players seem to be so much smarter back then today. Players always looking for support where as now players think they can steam roll over anyone they want.
Defence today is also alot better coached and played out by most teams which leads to the lottery bombs.
The defence is only better today because of the ruck speed. I couldnt believe the speed in that game last night. It was faster than anything i have seen, well in the last 4-5 years at least.
Today, the ruck is alot slower, wrestle, twisting and turning allowing the lines to set and comeup up on the front foot.
Back then it was so much faster. It was also nice to see genuine ball players playing actually rugby league...(playing what is in front of them), where as today they are robots, if they havent done it at training then they dont know what to do.
Lamb and Lyons drifting on the left and side of the field.
In terms of a spectacle, it was much much better back then and dare i say would be easier to cap (was too young to bet on games back then).
I won on the eels knights game on the weekend, but only by luck. Knights had very very good , but conceeded there only try cause the eels went for a bomb, 2 people contesting it an it bounced off someone straight to Macgure who scored. That is the only way Parra could have scored that night. Its just ridicolous.
The early part of last decade was the easiest to cap, points a plenty and you knew who had the ball playing abilities. The only difficulities were determining who was gonna turn up, it is to an extent today but there is alot more luck involved in todays game than ever, simply due to the number of kicks off tries.
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Quote Originally Posted by NRLisBack:
Defence today is also alot better coached and played out by most teams which leads to the lottery bombs.
The defence is only better today because of the ruck speed. I couldnt believe the speed in that game last night. It was faster than anything i have seen, well in the last 4-5 years at least.
Today, the ruck is alot slower, wrestle, twisting and turning allowing the lines to set and comeup up on the front foot.
Back then it was so much faster. It was also nice to see genuine ball players playing actually rugby league...(playing what is in front of them), where as today they are robots, if they havent done it at training then they dont know what to do.
Lamb and Lyons drifting on the left and side of the field.
In terms of a spectacle, it was much much better back then and dare i say would be easier to cap (was too young to bet on games back then).
I won on the eels knights game on the weekend, but only by luck. Knights had very very good , but conceeded there only try cause the eels went for a bomb, 2 people contesting it an it bounced off someone straight to Macgure who scored. That is the only way Parra could have scored that night. Its just ridicolous.
The early part of last decade was the easiest to cap, points a plenty and you knew who had the ball playing abilities. The only difficulities were determining who was gonna turn up, it is to an extent today but there is alot more luck involved in todays game than ever, simply due to the number of kicks off tries.
Just watching this old game on Fox between Manly and Dogs back in 93........I tell you what, the ruck was so much quicker back then than it is today. There is next to zero wrestle in the ruck. The play the balls are much much quicker. I was expecting the opposite.
Furthermore, it is so nice seeing genuine ball players in Lamb and Lyons. These teams relying on classic rugby league tries through the hands, creating overlaps, putting guys through holes....No where near the same amount of bombs being put up.
That is genuine rugby league as opposed to some of the rubbish we see today. The game is full of wrestle, no ball playing , creativity and teams relying on lottery bombs for there tries.
Players seem to be so much smarter back then today. Players always looking for support where as now players think they can steam roll over anyone they want.
Oh they were the days...
wtf is this ? Someone hijacked your account or you are infact capable of sensible, lucid thoughts that don't carry all the hallmarks of a deranged serial killer ? At least some of the time.
fwiw I agree 110%. There's a lot to like about the way Rugby League is played nowadays with faster, fitter, bigger, stronger and more athletic players. But a lot of the added brawn has replaced brain and guile, especially when it comes to the running and passing games of halfbacks and five eighths.
As players and coaches and clubs have become more and more professional, they've clearly become more structured precise and far less prepared to leave anything to chance by allowing players to be instinctive. Its all about playing as flat as possible in attack so as to gain every last metre possible from a set of six and then complete the set with a structured kick and chase play.
I used to love watching blokes like Terry Lamb and Cliff Lyons and Kevin Walters with some of the hole-hitting passes he'd throw to the likes of Steve Renouf to sythe through a defensive line. Those types of players are so thin on the ground nowadays. Most teams in the NRL play such a homogeneous power style that they don't even really need a creative no. 6 or no. 7
Having said all that, I think a lot of why teams are having to resort to attacking kicks for tries nowadays is that players are so much fitter and as a result they don't drop off defensively and leave gaping holes for creative players to exploit like they did yesteryear.
The solution: Send players back out into the workforce, cut back training to 3 x per week, ditch the ice baths and post game / post training recovery nutrition for cold cans of Tooheys and let Graham Hughes start commentating games again!
Maybe then we'll see some backlines start to stand deeper again !
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Just watching this old game on Fox between Manly and Dogs back in 93........I tell you what, the ruck was so much quicker back then than it is today. There is next to zero wrestle in the ruck. The play the balls are much much quicker. I was expecting the opposite.
Furthermore, it is so nice seeing genuine ball players in Lamb and Lyons. These teams relying on classic rugby league tries through the hands, creating overlaps, putting guys through holes....No where near the same amount of bombs being put up.
That is genuine rugby league as opposed to some of the rubbish we see today. The game is full of wrestle, no ball playing , creativity and teams relying on lottery bombs for there tries.
Players seem to be so much smarter back then today. Players always looking for support where as now players think they can steam roll over anyone they want.
Oh they were the days...
wtf is this ? Someone hijacked your account or you are infact capable of sensible, lucid thoughts that don't carry all the hallmarks of a deranged serial killer ? At least some of the time.
fwiw I agree 110%. There's a lot to like about the way Rugby League is played nowadays with faster, fitter, bigger, stronger and more athletic players. But a lot of the added brawn has replaced brain and guile, especially when it comes to the running and passing games of halfbacks and five eighths.
As players and coaches and clubs have become more and more professional, they've clearly become more structured precise and far less prepared to leave anything to chance by allowing players to be instinctive. Its all about playing as flat as possible in attack so as to gain every last metre possible from a set of six and then complete the set with a structured kick and chase play.
I used to love watching blokes like Terry Lamb and Cliff Lyons and Kevin Walters with some of the hole-hitting passes he'd throw to the likes of Steve Renouf to sythe through a defensive line. Those types of players are so thin on the ground nowadays. Most teams in the NRL play such a homogeneous power style that they don't even really need a creative no. 6 or no. 7
Having said all that, I think a lot of why teams are having to resort to attacking kicks for tries nowadays is that players are so much fitter and as a result they don't drop off defensively and leave gaping holes for creative players to exploit like they did yesteryear.
The solution: Send players back out into the workforce, cut back training to 3 x per week, ditch the ice baths and post game / post training recovery nutrition for cold cans of Tooheys and let Graham Hughes start commentating games again!
Maybe then we'll see some backlines start to stand deeper again !
exactly, that's what I eluded to in my first post when I said coaches and tactics are more about structure and routine than the instinct of creative players.
thank god guys like alan langer, kevin walters and cliff lyons weren't youngsters today
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Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:
coached not to lose, not coached to win
exactly, that's what I eluded to in my first post when I said coaches and tactics are more about structure and routine than the instinct of creative players.
thank god guys like alan langer, kevin walters and cliff lyons weren't youngsters today
I would say Lockyer is the last player from the genuine ball playing old school and even he isnt entirely from the old school but very close.
To show this, i would say Benji Marshall is like an old head playing in a young boys body. He seems like he has the same instincts as the players mentioned above but when he does it, its like he is commiting a sin, he shouldnt be doing it. Thats what the game has become.
Furthermore in the game last night, there was hardly if any dummy half running, so refreshing.
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I would say Lockyer is the last player from the genuine ball playing old school and even he isnt entirely from the old school but very close.
To show this, i would say Benji Marshall is like an old head playing in a young boys body. He seems like he has the same instincts as the players mentioned above but when he does it, its like he is commiting a sin, he shouldnt be doing it. Thats what the game has become.
Furthermore in the game last night, there was hardly if any dummy half running, so refreshing.
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