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    Good on John Elias

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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2011 - 10:14 PM ET #1

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/john-elias-calls-for-re-investigation-of-betting-plunge-on-storm-to-take-wooden-spoon/story-e6frexnr-1226020127552

    Seriously, i dont give a rats what anyone says,

    Backing penalty goal as the 1st scoring play is NO where near, no where near as dodgy as betting arguably the strongest team in the last 5 years to run last.

    If people dont think the NRL is one crooked animal, then seriously u need to get your head checked.

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    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/john-elias-calls-for-re-investigation-of-betting-plunge-on-storm-to-take-wooden-spoon/story-e6frexnr-1226020127552

    Seriously, i dont give a rats what anyone says,

    Backing penalty goal as the 1st scoring play is NO where near, no where near as dodgy as betting arguably the strongest team in the last 5 years to run last.

    If people dont think the NRL is one crooked animal, then seriously u need to get your head checked.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2011 - 10:17 PM ET #2

    No one is disagreeing with you, Rostos.
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    No one is disagreeing with you, Rostos.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2011 - 11:27 PM ET #3

    He just wants to deflect attention away from his self
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 12:41 AM ET #4

    Rightfully so.
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 6:11 AM ET #5

    2 very different situations

    You are kidding yourself if you think Tandy's case is not more serious. We are talking about players and managers conspring a particular result on the field for a financial gain.

    Spot fixing at its best


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    2 very different situations

    You are kidding yourself if you think Tandy's case is not more serious. We are talking about players and managers conspring a particular result on the field for a financial gain.

    Spot fixing at its best


     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 5:24 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/john-elias-calls-for-re-investigation-of-betting-plunge-on-storm-to-take-wooden-spoon/story-e6frexnr-1226020127552

    Seriously, i dont give a rats what anyone says,

    Backing penalty goal as the 1st scoring play is NO where near, no where near as dodgy as betting arguably the strongest team in the last 5 years to run last.

    If people dont think the NRL is one crooked animal, then seriously u need to get your head checked.



    are you an idiot?

    seriously, are you an idiot?

    do you not understand the difference between profiting from insider trading, and conspiring to fix an outcome?

    do you understand the diference between backing Fine Cotton and organinsing Fine Cotton?

    John Elias is 100% full of shit, anyone who has read his book will know this


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/john-elias-calls-for-re-investigation-of-betting-plunge-on-storm-to-take-wooden-spoon/story-e6frexnr-1226020127552

    Seriously, i dont give a rats what anyone says,

    Backing penalty goal as the 1st scoring play is NO where near, no where near as dodgy as betting arguably the strongest team in the last 5 years to run last.

    If people dont think the NRL is one crooked animal, then seriously u need to get your head checked.



    are you an idiot?

    seriously, are you an idiot?

    do you not understand the difference between profiting from insider trading, and conspiring to fix an outcome?

    do you understand the diference between backing Fine Cotton and organinsing Fine Cotton?

    John Elias is 100% full of shit, anyone who has read his book will know this


     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 5:37 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:



    are you an idiot?

    seriously, are you an idiot?

    do you not understand the difference between profiting from insider trading, and conspiring to fix an outcome?

    do you understand the diference between backing Fine Cotton and organinsing Fine Cotton?

    John Elias is 100% full of shit, anyone who has read his book will know this


    This is the point rostos. The ASX is not an efficient market, so how the fuck is the NRL market ever going ot be efficient? As mentioned above, there is a world of difference between acting on information before it is public, and conspiring to fix an outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:



    are you an idiot?

    seriously, are you an idiot?

    do you not understand the difference between profiting from insider trading, and conspiring to fix an outcome?

    do you understand the diference between backing Fine Cotton and organinsing Fine Cotton?

    John Elias is 100% full of shit, anyone who has read his book will know this


    This is the point rostos. The ASX is not an efficient market, so how the fuck is the NRL market ever going ot be efficient? As mentioned above, there is a world of difference between acting on information before it is public, and conspiring to fix an outcome.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 7:29 PM ET #8

    I think you are all missing the point with what i am trying to make.

    How the F### do the NRL dismiss the storm spoon betting plunge as nothing and attempt to put Elias in the firing squad?

    They are both crimes

    No one in there right mind no matter how much they hate money would have put money to bet the storm for the spoon last year. But it was dismissed as nothing.

    It just proves to me what the NRL is.

    That roosters cows game the year before, i am telling you now was just as dodgy as the Tandy scandal, yet that was thrown out as nothing.

    All what i am saying is that the NRL is just a hypocritical organisation that has favourites. All the way from Gallop to his referees

    Even the bookmakers said with the Roosters game, the amount of money betted on the option was extrodinary for that option. All the way up the eastern sea board.

    Roosters were winning 16-0 as well i watched that game, i have never seen so many cold dropped balls by the roosters that day.

    About 3-4 Roosters players were seen at a particular brothel a few days before the game as well

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    I think you are all missing the point with what i am trying to make.

    How the F### do the NRL dismiss the storm spoon betting plunge as nothing and attempt to put Elias in the firing squad?

    They are both crimes

    No one in there right mind no matter how much they hate money would have put money to bet the storm for the spoon last year. But it was dismissed as nothing.

    It just proves to me what the NRL is.

    That roosters cows game the year before, i am telling you now was just as dodgy as the Tandy scandal, yet that was thrown out as nothing.

    All what i am saying is that the NRL is just a hypocritical organisation that has favourites. All the way from Gallop to his referees

    Even the bookmakers said with the Roosters game, the amount of money betted on the option was extrodinary for that option. All the way up the eastern sea board.

    Roosters were winning 16-0 as well i watched that game, i have never seen so many cold dropped balls by the roosters that day.

    About 3-4 Roosters players were seen at a particular brothel a few days before the game as well

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 7:33 PM ET #9

    On another level,

    isnt Elias being charged to "defraud a bookmaker"? So what was the Storm betting plunge?

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    On another level,

    isnt Elias being charged to "defraud a bookmaker"? So what was the Storm betting plunge?

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 8:05 PM ET #10

    John Elias is a scumbag,hope he gets AIDS from a Balmain Tiger
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 8:28 PM ET #11

    the storm plunge is no different then people backing the sharks in the 24 hours before the news dugan and orford withdrew became public


    people make stupid bets all the time. Who would back exact winning margin 27 points? its offered so there must be people who take it. Who are the people who take 1-0 in the pick the score markets?

    People who manage markets are professionals and can read the markets. They know when something smells, they act accordingly, and what that includes will go over your head
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    the storm plunge is no different then people backing the sharks in the 24 hours before the news dugan and orford withdrew became public


    people make stupid bets all the time. Who would back exact winning margin 27 points? its offered so there must be people who take it. Who are the people who take 1-0 in the pick the score markets?

    People who manage markets are professionals and can read the markets. They know when something smells, they act accordingly, and what that includes will go over your head
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 8:59 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:

    the storm plunge is no different then people backing the sharks in the 24 hours before the news dugan and orford withdrew became public


    people make stupid bets all the time. Who would back exact winning margin 27 points? its offered so there must be people who take it. Who are the people who take 1-0 in the pick the score markets?

    People who manage markets are professionals and can read the markets. They know when something smells, they act accordingly, and what that includes will go over your head





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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:

    the storm plunge is no different then people backing the sharks in the 24 hours before the news dugan and orford withdrew became public


    people make stupid bets all the time. Who would back exact winning margin 27 points? its offered so there must be people who take it. Who are the people who take 1-0 in the pick the score markets?

    People who manage markets are professionals and can read the markets. They know when something smells, they act accordingly, and what that includes will go over your head





     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 9:02 PM ET #13



    I'm going to fucking hit you one day

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    I'm going to fucking hit you one day

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 9:42 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:

    the storm plunge is no different then people backing the sharks in the 24 hours before the news dugan and orford withdrew became public


    people make stupid bets all the time. Who would back exact winning margin 27 points? its offered so there must be people who take it. Who are the people who take 1-0 in the pick the score markets?

    People who manage markets are professionals and can read the markets. They know when something smells, they act accordingly, and what that includes will go over your head

    So when a player pulls out of a game and the market reacts (the game still needs to be played and we have all seen upsets when the game gets played etc etc) to a ruling where the action or information is a GUARANTEED win if you bet on it?

    Are u insane? Dugan and Orford are out, yes, but they still have a good chance they will win, the game still needs to be played. It is still a bet.

    When people got wind of the storm and knew the NRLs action, it was GUARANTEED they would cash there bets.

    You cannot compare the 2.

    Furthermore, you have stated nothing on the Roosters Cows game? Why, cause Gallop and the NRL say it was ok? Just like it is ok for Carney to get off a drinking ban for his 50th offense to jake friend getting his contract torn up for the same offense which was his 1st?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:

    the storm plunge is no different then people backing the sharks in the 24 hours before the news dugan and orford withdrew became public


    people make stupid bets all the time. Who would back exact winning margin 27 points? its offered so there must be people who take it. Who are the people who take 1-0 in the pick the score markets?

    People who manage markets are professionals and can read the markets. They know when something smells, they act accordingly, and what that includes will go over your head

    So when a player pulls out of a game and the market reacts (the game still needs to be played and we have all seen upsets when the game gets played etc etc) to a ruling where the action or information is a GUARANTEED win if you bet on it?

    Are u insane? Dugan and Orford are out, yes, but they still have a good chance they will win, the game still needs to be played. It is still a bet.

    When people got wind of the storm and knew the NRLs action, it was GUARANTEED they would cash there bets.

    You cannot compare the 2.

    Furthermore, you have stated nothing on the Roosters Cows game? Why, cause Gallop and the NRL say it was ok? Just like it is ok for Carney to get off a drinking ban for his 50th offense to jake friend getting his contract torn up for the same offense which was his 1st?

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 9:45 PM ET #16

    U sure complain a lot for someone who wins 67% of the time on this sport



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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 10:05 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirschfelder:



    I'm going to fucking hit you one day

    on the arse, with a whip

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    I'm going to fucking hit you one day

    on the arse, with a whip

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2011 - 10:08 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace77:

    U sure complain a lot for someone who wins 67% of the time on this sport



    Kris Keating

    I want to win 100%

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    U sure complain a lot for someone who wins 67% of the time on this sport



    Kris Keating

    I want to win 100%

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So when a player pulls out of a game and the market reacts (the game still needs to be played and we have all seen upsets when the game gets played etc etc) to a ruling where the action or information is a GUARANTEED win if you bet on it?

    Are u insane? Dugan and Orford are out, yes, but they still have a good chance they will win, the game still needs to be played. It is still a bet.

    When people got wind of the storm and knew the NRLs action, it was GUARANTEED they would cash there bets.

    You cannot compare the 2.

    Furthermore, you have stated nothing on the Roosters Cows game? Why, cause Gallop and the NRL say it was ok? Just like it is ok for Carney to get off a drinking ban for his 50th offense to jake friend getting his contract torn up for the same offense which was his 1st?

     



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    So when a player pulls out of a game and the market reacts (the game still needs to be played and we have all seen upsets when the game gets played etc etc) to a ruling where the action or information is a GUARANTEED win if you bet on it?

    Are u insane? Dugan and Orford are out, yes, but they still have a good chance they will win, the game still needs to be played. It is still a bet.

    When people got wind of the storm and knew the NRLs action, it was GUARANTEED they would cash there bets.

    You cannot compare the 2.

    Furthermore, you have stated nothing on the Roosters Cows game? Why, cause Gallop and the NRL say it was ok? Just like it is ok for Carney to get off a drinking ban for his 50th offense to jake friend getting his contract torn up for the same offense which was his 1st?

     



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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Battler:

    on the arse, with a whip



    in the head, with a baseball bat
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