Been doing some research on the valspar, so wanted to go ahead and post an early write up..
The valspar is held at innisbrook resort on the copperhead course which consistently breeds difficult scoring conditions. Innisbrook is a par 71 measuring out at 7,340 yards. It is a tight, tree lined parklands style course with very difficult to hit fairways and a lot of trouble when you miss them. Very windy conditions are something we see regularly here and is part of the reason this course plays so tough. This tournament is generally won anywhere between -7 and -17 depending on the weather, and looking at the early forecast I would guess we get closer to -7 than -17 this week
These are on average the 6th most narrow fairways on the pga tour. When they are missed, which happens at a very high rate here, you will often be penalized by punching out due to tree trouble and lush thick rough. It is through and through a positional golf course, and not one you can go bombs away off the tee on. There are also a lot of dog legs and tough angles, all of which will force most of these guys to club down off the tee frequently. I’m looking for guys that are accurate off the tee preferably, but not exclusively as the difficult to hit fairways will result in all of these guys playing out of the rough here quite a bit.
This is also a difficult course on approach, with relatively small, firm greens. With these guys having to club down off the tee means alot of long iron approaches into greens which are always tough to hold on this golf course. There are also an unconventional 5 par 3s here, all of which measure out around 200 yds. I will be specifically dialing in on in form approach players and good long term long iron play from 175+ yards.
I also prefer guys that are good around the green players. Innisbrook has one of the lowest greens in regulation % on tour and typically gets windy which means guys will have to scramble for par around here often. It’s not particularly difficult in that regard but I’ll still be looking for solid long term around the green play. With this venue consistently playing very difficult I will not put alot of weight on putting as you don’t have to make a ton of birdies to win here. But these are the same poa trivialis greens that we’re seeing at sawgrass this week so guys that are putting well this week may be a decent look.
I’ll also be looking into guys that play well in difficult scoring conditions, and have had success at innisbrook and other tight, positional golf courses such as sedgefield, sawgrass, and harbour town. I prefer guys that have good recent form as each of the last 17 winners here have posted a top 11 finish earlier in the season. Taking an early look at the conditions…it looks to be very gusty, but the potential for a wave advantage is very much in play. This may lead me to hold off on some bets until tee times are released. Unless there is value on the board that I can’t pass up I will wait until we have a a better idea of the weather/tee times before placing wagers. Should be another fun week, hopefully full of carnage
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Been doing some research on the valspar, so wanted to go ahead and post an early write up..
The valspar is held at innisbrook resort on the copperhead course which consistently breeds difficult scoring conditions. Innisbrook is a par 71 measuring out at 7,340 yards. It is a tight, tree lined parklands style course with very difficult to hit fairways and a lot of trouble when you miss them. Very windy conditions are something we see regularly here and is part of the reason this course plays so tough. This tournament is generally won anywhere between -7 and -17 depending on the weather, and looking at the early forecast I would guess we get closer to -7 than -17 this week
These are on average the 6th most narrow fairways on the pga tour. When they are missed, which happens at a very high rate here, you will often be penalized by punching out due to tree trouble and lush thick rough. It is through and through a positional golf course, and not one you can go bombs away off the tee on. There are also a lot of dog legs and tough angles, all of which will force most of these guys to club down off the tee frequently. I’m looking for guys that are accurate off the tee preferably, but not exclusively as the difficult to hit fairways will result in all of these guys playing out of the rough here quite a bit.
This is also a difficult course on approach, with relatively small, firm greens. With these guys having to club down off the tee means alot of long iron approaches into greens which are always tough to hold on this golf course. There are also an unconventional 5 par 3s here, all of which measure out around 200 yds. I will be specifically dialing in on in form approach players and good long term long iron play from 175+ yards.
I also prefer guys that are good around the green players. Innisbrook has one of the lowest greens in regulation % on tour and typically gets windy which means guys will have to scramble for par around here often. It’s not particularly difficult in that regard but I’ll still be looking for solid long term around the green play. With this venue consistently playing very difficult I will not put alot of weight on putting as you don’t have to make a ton of birdies to win here. But these are the same poa trivialis greens that we’re seeing at sawgrass this week so guys that are putting well this week may be a decent look.
I’ll also be looking into guys that play well in difficult scoring conditions, and have had success at innisbrook and other tight, positional golf courses such as sedgefield, sawgrass, and harbour town. I prefer guys that have good recent form as each of the last 17 winners here have posted a top 11 finish earlier in the season. Taking an early look at the conditions…it looks to be very gusty, but the potential for a wave advantage is very much in play. This may lead me to hold off on some bets until tee times are released. Unless there is value on the board that I can’t pass up I will wait until we have a a better idea of the weather/tee times before placing wagers. Should be another fun week, hopefully full of carnage
Have some guys in mind that I like at this golf course, but as of now there is a legitimate shot of a wave advantage for the AM/PM guys. Heavy winds projected Thursday later afternoon and will continue through Friday morning where they eventually die down in the evening.
Weather can change on a dime, but this is worth monitoring IMO and if it holds up by tomorrow when tee times drop I’ll probly go ahead and take a chance on some guy’s teeing off early on Thursday.
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Have some guys in mind that I like at this golf course, but as of now there is a legitimate shot of a wave advantage for the AM/PM guys. Heavy winds projected Thursday later afternoon and will continue through Friday morning where they eventually die down in the evening.
Weather can change on a dime, but this is worth monitoring IMO and if it holds up by tomorrow when tee times drop I’ll probly go ahead and take a chance on some guy’s teeing off early on Thursday.
Well wanted to wait for tee times, but this is a small investment and the number is trending down so getting in while I can. Mcgreevy with another nice showing last week, and is hitting the irons extremely well. 10th on approach at the players in a very strong field finishing 20th and a 4th place finish just a couple weeks back. Very accurate off the tee, just like the skill set for this setup
Max Mcgreevy (100-1)
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Well wanted to wait for tee times, but this is a small investment and the number is trending down so getting in while I can. Mcgreevy with another nice showing last week, and is hitting the irons extremely well. 10th on approach at the players in a very strong field finishing 20th and a 4th place finish just a couple weeks back. Very accurate off the tee, just like the skill set for this setup
The odds adjustments at a lot books when tee times dropped are wild, don't remember a time where tee times have effected odds so much. Was able to get bezuidenhout in before he got crushed even more. Virtually everybody in the space is aware of this wave edge, which has brought on some interesting value on some names i like that are not in the better wave. In the end it is still Florida weather and this perceived edge could turn into nothing by thursday. Have some decisions to make will be back with more outrights and positionals
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The odds adjustments at a lot books when tee times dropped are wild, don't remember a time where tee times have effected odds so much. Was able to get bezuidenhout in before he got crushed even more. Virtually everybody in the space is aware of this wave edge, which has brought on some interesting value on some names i like that are not in the better wave. In the end it is still Florida weather and this perceived edge could turn into nothing by thursday. Have some decisions to make will be back with more outrights and positionals
Outright card is done but may pop back in for a couple positionals. Its a weird handicap this week, love a lot of the guys in the PM/AM wave but just hesitant to pull the trigger on them even with most at discounted odds. Will wrap up the card tonight
Outrights:
Tom Kim (30-1)
Corey Conners (35-1)
Adam Scott (50-1)
Christiaan Bezuidenhout (80-1)
Max Mcgreevy (100-1)
Top 20 (ties included):
Corey Conners (+145)
Michael Kim (+170)
Adam Scott (+190)
Christiaan Bezuidenhout (+225)
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Outright card is done but may pop back in for a couple positionals. Its a weird handicap this week, love a lot of the guys in the PM/AM wave but just hesitant to pull the trigger on them even with most at discounted odds. Will wrap up the card tonight
Viktor Hovland looks like it's almost back to being Viktor Hovland, 68 in round 2 at Players... Bet him +8000 and +4000. 3 shots off lead with 3 rounds to go.
He got the worse part of the draw as well. Tomorrow looks windy early and then calmer late... If he can get to the weekend within 3 or 4, good enough.
Isn't this the time to try to hit him when he's ridiculously long in this field?
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Viktor Hovland looks like it's almost back to being Viktor Hovland, 68 in round 2 at Players... Bet him +8000 and +4000. 3 shots off lead with 3 rounds to go.
He got the worse part of the draw as well. Tomorrow looks windy early and then calmer late... If he can get to the weekend within 3 or 4, good enough.
Isn't this the time to try to hit him when he's ridiculously long in this field?
Viktor Hovland looks like it's almost back to being Viktor Hovland, 68 in round 2 at Players... Bet him +8000 and +4000. 3 shots off lead with 3 rounds to go. He got the worse part of the draw as well. Tomorrow looks windy early and then calmer late... If he can get to the weekend within 3 or 4, good enough. Isn't this the time to try to hit him when he's ridiculously long in this field?
I like where your heads at. Better to be early than late on a guy with his talent, I gotta think he will get back to where he was at some point. I dont think its a terrible set up for him but i personally didnt consider him this week because of the low greens in regulation percentage here. Around the green is clearly where he loses most of his strokes and you have to get up and down a ton on this golf course. With that being said hes had a lot more success on courses with thick rough around the greens like here, that may end up being a great bet GL man
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Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Viktor Hovland looks like it's almost back to being Viktor Hovland, 68 in round 2 at Players... Bet him +8000 and +4000. 3 shots off lead with 3 rounds to go. He got the worse part of the draw as well. Tomorrow looks windy early and then calmer late... If he can get to the weekend within 3 or 4, good enough. Isn't this the time to try to hit him when he's ridiculously long in this field?
I like where your heads at. Better to be early than late on a guy with his talent, I gotta think he will get back to where he was at some point. I dont think its a terrible set up for him but i personally didnt consider him this week because of the low greens in regulation percentage here. Around the green is clearly where he loses most of his strokes and you have to get up and down a ton on this golf course. With that being said hes had a lot more success on courses with thick rough around the greens like here, that may end up being a great bet GL man
Thanks Rollz. Big score if he can pull it off. I have to do some hedging. I already have X for a really small play pre-tournament. Have to get more of him and Lowry. They're at good odds actually.
Hovland is in the perfect spot going into the weekend. No need to sleep on the lead both nights, hopefully just 1.
Who else do you think I have to cover?
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Thanks Rollz. Big score if he can pull it off. I have to do some hedging. I already have X for a really small play pre-tournament. Have to get more of him and Lowry. They're at good odds actually.
Hovland is in the perfect spot going into the weekend. No need to sleep on the lead both nights, hopefully just 1.
It's because they've won nothing and Hovland, Lowry & X are used to this. It's the weekend, they might not play great but they're confortable. It's going to be cold tomorrow morning. The last guys off are going to have much nicer conditions. I played everyone down to and including J Paul. I want HOVLAND, X, Straka, Lowry in that order to win.
I bet all the no names for $30 or $50 because they're long Histune +2000, Will Z +2500, Kim +2500, J Paul +4000, Straka +2500, Bridgeman +700, except An
After 3rd round I'll reevaluate.
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It's because they've won nothing and Hovland, Lowry & X are used to this. It's the weekend, they might not play great but they're confortable. It's going to be cold tomorrow morning. The last guys off are going to have much nicer conditions. I played everyone down to and including J Paul. I want HOVLAND, X, Straka, Lowry in that order to win.
I bet all the no names for $30 or $50 because they're long Histune +2000, Will Z +2500, Kim +2500, J Paul +4000, Straka +2500, Bridgeman +700, except An
the odds at the top are really good. maybe its the pm tee times / weather is why?
I honestly think the tournament is just wide open for any of these guys at E par or better. I don’t see a weather edge either way today, cold for the guys in the morning in morning with no wind, then warms up with a little wind in afternoon.
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Quote Originally Posted by PeAceMaKer7690:
the odds at the top are really good. maybe its the pm tee times / weather is why?
I honestly think the tournament is just wide open for any of these guys at E par or better. I don’t see a weather edge either way today, cold for the guys in the morning in morning with no wind, then warms up with a little wind in afternoon.
Thanks Rollz. Big score if he can pull it off. I have to do some hedging. I already have X for a really small play pre-tournament. Have to get more of him and Lowry. They're at good odds actually. Hovland is in the perfect spot going into the weekend. No need to sleep on the lead both nights, hopefully just 1. Who else do you think I have to cover?
I personally think it’s too early to start hedging. Just a ton of guys still in the mix at this point. Now if Xander is back to being Xander he could sleep walk his way to a win here but not quite sure if he’s there yet.
Don’t let me talk you off anything you want to do though, just my opinion. I’m jealous of your hovland ticket I’ve just been waiting to see signs of life with him
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Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Thanks Rollz. Big score if he can pull it off. I have to do some hedging. I already have X for a really small play pre-tournament. Have to get more of him and Lowry. They're at good odds actually. Hovland is in the perfect spot going into the weekend. No need to sleep on the lead both nights, hopefully just 1. Who else do you think I have to cover?
I personally think it’s too early to start hedging. Just a ton of guys still in the mix at this point. Now if Xander is back to being Xander he could sleep walk his way to a win here but not quite sure if he’s there yet.
Don’t let me talk you off anything you want to do though, just my opinion. I’m jealous of your hovland ticket I’ve just been waiting to see signs of life with him
Dude I am done with the Adam Scott thing. Every week he pops in the data for me then continues to fall flat on his face. Officially un-starred in my leaderboard
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Dude I am done with the Adam Scott thing. Every week he pops in the data for me then continues to fall flat on his face. Officially un-starred in my leaderboard
Thanks Rollz. Big score if he can pull it off. I have to do some hedging. I already have X for a really small play pre-tournament. Have to get more of him and Lowry. They're at good odds actually. Hovland is in the perfect spot going into the weekend. No need to sleep on the lead both nights, hopefully just 1. Who else do you think I have to cover?
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Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Thanks Rollz. Big score if he can pull it off. I have to do some hedging. I already have X for a really small play pre-tournament. Have to get more of him and Lowry. They're at good odds actually. Hovland is in the perfect spot going into the weekend. No need to sleep on the lead both nights, hopefully just 1. Who else do you think I have to cover?
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