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    San Diego at Buffalo (10/19/2008)

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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 4:10 PM ET #26

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    <<<<< In my book... there is no sound strategy for beating San Diego. They are too good. Division rivals NYJ and Buf, another story -- not as good. Full attention to an opponent does not equal victory. San Diego had New England's full attention and lost by 20 points. Normally, a "smashmouth" football team gets better than 98 yards per game on the ground, as Buffalo is gaining.
     
    Buffalo's #1 QB hasn't played in three weeks and has never thrown into San Diego's secondary, which picked Peyton Manning eight times last year.
     
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    New England is not New England this year and is not worth mention with respect to San Diego's achievements this year. Jets are not playing in this game and also should not be mentioned with respect to this game. Peyton was picked off 8 times by the Chargers in a game last year. Can't keep alluding to teams that are not playing in this game as each week brings a new set of circumstances. Buffalo is a much more confident and special team this year, and San Diego is not playing the same brand of football this year.
     
    Want proof? The Chargers are 31st against the pass this year allowing 253.5 yards per game compared to Buffalo's 8th ranked pass defense giving up 184.8. Which nullifys somewhat the edge that San Diego has in passing. Both teams have similar numbers against the rush with Buffy giving up 114 and San Diego 112. You mentioned that Buffalo only gains 98 yards a game on the ground, but you cleverly failed to mention that San Diego is also averaging 98 yards rushing too. Not enough advantages to be favored over Buffy. In short, San Diego is primed for an upset, and if they were such a superior team then why is the spread only -1 with 61% of bettors on their side? The number will creep up to 2, but the Bills should never get points at home. Here's why 7 out of the last 8 times that they have been a home dog they have covered. Check the record. We will soon know who is correct in their assessments.   

      Either/or/both a line of -1 with 61% of bettors on San Diego has nothing to do with gauging the degree of a team's superiority... The line is pick 'em. There is no favorite or underdog. There will be no upset. There is no such thing as an upset, anyway. If, however, Buffalo was actually to become an underdog, their average take in their last seven games as a home underdog was +5. And since, as correctly noted, all games are unto themselves ("as each week brings a new set of circumstances"), neither Buffalo's Home Underdog Record (meaningless) or San Diego's wins over whomever mean anything regarding this match-up. By the way, 5 of the 6 NFL teams presently allowing the most passing yardage per game covered the spread this past Sunday.

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    <<<<< In my book... there is no sound strategy for beating San Diego. They are too good. Division rivals NYJ and Buf, another story -- not as good. Full attention to an opponent does not equal victory. San Diego had New England's full attention and lost by 20 points. Normally, a "smashmouth" football team gets better than 98 yards per game on the ground, as Buffalo is gaining.
     
    Buffalo's #1 QB hasn't played in three weeks and has never thrown into San Diego's secondary, which picked Peyton Manning eight times last year.
     
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    New England is not New England this year and is not worth mention with respect to San Diego's achievements this year. Jets are not playing in this game and also should not be mentioned with respect to this game. Peyton was picked off 8 times by the Chargers in a game last year. Can't keep alluding to teams that are not playing in this game as each week brings a new set of circumstances. Buffalo is a much more confident and special team this year, and San Diego is not playing the same brand of football this year.
     
    Want proof? The Chargers are 31st against the pass this year allowing 253.5 yards per game compared to Buffalo's 8th ranked pass defense giving up 184.8. Which nullifys somewhat the edge that San Diego has in passing. Both teams have similar numbers against the rush with Buffy giving up 114 and San Diego 112. You mentioned that Buffalo only gains 98 yards a game on the ground, but you cleverly failed to mention that San Diego is also averaging 98 yards rushing too. Not enough advantages to be favored over Buffy. In short, San Diego is primed for an upset, and if they were such a superior team then why is the spread only -1 with 61% of bettors on their side? The number will creep up to 2, but the Bills should never get points at home. Here's why 7 out of the last 8 times that they have been a home dog they have covered. Check the record. We will soon know who is correct in their assessments.   

      Either/or/both a line of -1 with 61% of bettors on San Diego has nothing to do with gauging the degree of a team's superiority... The line is pick 'em. There is no favorite or underdog. There will be no upset. There is no such thing as an upset, anyway. If, however, Buffalo was actually to become an underdog, their average take in their last seven games as a home underdog was +5. And since, as correctly noted, all games are unto themselves ("as each week brings a new set of circumstances"), neither Buffalo's Home Underdog Record (meaningless) or San Diego's wins over whomever mean anything regarding this match-up. By the way, 5 of the 6 NFL teams presently allowing the most passing yardage per game covered the spread this past Sunday.

     
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    Nice line for this game. LOL.


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    Nice line for this game. LOL.


     
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    ^^^peppy222^^^By the way, 5 of the 6 NFL teams presently allowing the most passing yardage per game covered the spread this past Sunday.

    You're liking this aren't you? Okay, peppy222, I am SURE that you don't start off your mornings looking for teams with the statistically worst defensive numbers and using that information to guide you to choose sides. You are obviously a very educated wagerer, and a sound handicapper. But +1 is the same as +3. Trust me, this game is not a pick em. There is a favorite that is sponsored by the public, and an underdog that is sponsored by me

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    ^^^peppy222^^^By the way, 5 of the 6 NFL teams presently allowing the most passing yardage per game covered the spread this past Sunday.

    You're liking this aren't you? Okay, peppy222, I am SURE that you don't start off your mornings looking for teams with the statistically worst defensive numbers and using that information to guide you to choose sides. You are obviously a very educated wagerer, and a sound handicapper. But +1 is the same as +3. Trust me, this game is not a pick em. There is a favorite that is sponsored by the public, and an underdog that is sponsored by me

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 6:20 PM ET #29

    But at least this type of thing is good for the board, as we aren't just announcing our pick and leaving it at that, with no viable information. Gotta go. I have to give an interview now
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    But at least this type of thing is good for the board, as we aren't just announcing our pick and leaving it at that, with no viable information. Gotta go. I have to give an interview now
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 6:54 PM ET #30

    Billz +1 coming off a bye and playing a 1:00pm est start time agaisnt a team coming all the way from san diego. West coast teams on the road playing the 1:00 eastern games have been horrible this year.
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    Billz +1 coming off a bye and playing a 1:00pm est start time agaisnt a team coming all the way from san diego. West coast teams on the road playing the 1:00 eastern games have been horrible this year.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 6:57 PM ET #31

    FYI The Oakland at Buffalo game was a 4:00pm start time
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    FYI The Oakland at Buffalo game was a 4:00pm start time
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 8:26 PM ET #32

    1st inning run is in! I'm through for the day
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    1st inning run is in! I'm through for the day
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 10:02 PM ET #33

    Oops! Wrong thread!
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2008 - 11:01 PM ET #34

    Bolts travel to western NY and then to London...
     
    Bills off the bye...etc, etc...
     
    Buffalo is the play
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    Bolts travel to western NY and then to London...
     
    Bills off the bye...etc, etc...
     
    Buffalo is the play
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 1:22 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by Philly215:

    FYI The Oakland at Buffalo game was a 4:00pm start time


    FYI it was actually was a 1:00 pm start time

    Bills biiiiiiiiiiiig
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philly215:

    FYI The Oakland at Buffalo game was a 4:00pm start time


    FYI it was actually was a 1:00 pm start time

    Bills biiiiiiiiiiiig
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 2:49 AM ET #36

    Buffalo wins by 5.
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    Buffalo wins by 5.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 4:03 AM ET #37

    "West coast teams on the road playing the 1:00 eastern games have been horrible this year."

    'Nuff said.
    Buff wins.
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    "West coast teams on the road playing the 1:00 eastern games have been horrible this year."

    'Nuff said.
    Buff wins.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 8:51 AM ET #38

    Regarding the bauble of "7-2 ATS West to East," there are people out there who have already capitalized upon it for what it might have been worth and are now stepping out ahead of those looking to hitch a ride in its wake. 7-2 ATS becomes 7-3 ATS every now and then. Pretty much every weekend, multiple times.
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    Regarding the bauble of "7-2 ATS West to East," there are people out there who have already capitalized upon it for what it might have been worth and are now stepping out ahead of those looking to hitch a ride in its wake. 7-2 ATS becomes 7-3 ATS every now and then. Pretty much every weekend, multiple times.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 9:33 AM ET #39

    Early lean on Over (SD and Bills is a toss-up)

    With the return of Edwards and speedy Roscoe Parish to stretch the field with Lee Evans, the Bills will have a multidimensional and disperse offense. Lynch and Jackson have done well in the backfield, while Jackson continues to get carries and is a great tailback who can also catch. Unfortunately, the Bills may have some issues covering SD's strong passing game, since Terrence Mcgee is still questionable and did not practice Wednesday.

    However, SD is also plagued with injuries. LT is not 100% and a recent ankle sprain suffered by Sproales against the Pats will further exacerbate their 21st ranked rushing game (98.5 ypg), while forcing Rivers to throw. The Bills rank 8th in pass d allowing only an average 184 ypg. Chambers is also questionable, which should balance Mcgee's absense. Chambers, Sproales and LT did not practice Wednesday.

    Much of River's success last week against the Pats was his strong oline, who didn't allow a single sack. An area of concern for the Bills is that Schobel may also be missing from the Bill's line: he hasn't missed a game in 8 seasons, so if he is questionable that definitely means his injury may be more severe than presumed. And though the Bill's have a relatively strong secondary, their corners do not match up well in height relative to SD's receivers: Antonio Gates and V. Jackson are both 6'5 and 6'4, while the corners size up and a measely 5'11. The Bills have dominated Seattle, St Louis, Jags and Oakland, all lower ranked teams except for the Jags. Arizona destroyed them due to heavy turnovers and strong receivers.

    I see a high scoring game on both sides of the field, neither team is very healthy. Bills are probably a bit more prepared coming off a bye and haven't lost after a bye since 2004. SD is also heading to London in 2 weeks.
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    Early lean on Over (SD and Bills is a toss-up)

    With the return of Edwards and speedy Roscoe Parish to stretch the field with Lee Evans, the Bills will have a multidimensional and disperse offense. Lynch and Jackson have done well in the backfield, while Jackson continues to get carries and is a great tailback who can also catch. Unfortunately, the Bills may have some issues covering SD's strong passing game, since Terrence Mcgee is still questionable and did not practice Wednesday.

    However, SD is also plagued with injuries. LT is not 100% and a recent ankle sprain suffered by Sproales against the Pats will further exacerbate their 21st ranked rushing game (98.5 ypg), while forcing Rivers to throw. The Bills rank 8th in pass d allowing only an average 184 ypg. Chambers is also questionable, which should balance Mcgee's absense. Chambers, Sproales and LT did not practice Wednesday.

    Much of River's success last week against the Pats was his strong oline, who didn't allow a single sack. An area of concern for the Bills is that Schobel may also be missing from the Bill's line: he hasn't missed a game in 8 seasons, so if he is questionable that definitely means his injury may be more severe than presumed. And though the Bill's have a relatively strong secondary, their corners do not match up well in height relative to SD's receivers: Antonio Gates and V. Jackson are both 6'5 and 6'4, while the corners size up and a measely 5'11. The Bills have dominated Seattle, St Louis, Jags and Oakland, all lower ranked teams except for the Jags. Arizona destroyed them due to heavy turnovers and strong receivers.

    I see a high scoring game on both sides of the field, neither team is very healthy. Bills are probably a bit more prepared coming off a bye and haven't lost after a bye since 2004. SD is also heading to London in 2 weeks.
     
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    Posted: 10/16/2008 8:51:44 AMThe Bills were preparing for Miami and NYJ during their bye week. They know they can't beat San Diego and they know they'd better not lose to the AFC East opponents on deck, Miami and/or the Jets.


    ......not even worth it.....
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    Posted: 10/16/2008 8:51:44 AMThe Bills were preparing for Miami and NYJ during their bye week. They know they can't beat San Diego and they know they'd better not lose to the AFC East opponents on deck, Miami and/or the Jets.


    ......not even worth it.....
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 9:38 AM ET #41

    Bills off of  the bye against the west to east coast team for,what is essentially, a 10a.m. game for the chargers.  They beat up on a used and abused Pats team in front of the Nation on Sunday Night, so we know what the public play will be.  Albeit some(yes,you peppy) seem to think that they are,in fact, preparing for games that come weeks down the road and packing it in already,for this Sunday...I think they know they can win and will do exactly that.
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    Bills off of  the bye against the west to east coast team for,what is essentially, a 10a.m. game for the chargers.  They beat up on a used and abused Pats team in front of the Nation on Sunday Night, so we know what the public play will be.  Albeit some(yes,you peppy) seem to think that they are,in fact, preparing for games that come weeks down the road and packing it in already,for this Sunday...I think they know they can win and will do exactly that.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 3:44 PM ET #42

    BILLS BILLS BILLS!!!!!

    THE BILLS ARE OFF A BYE WEEK AND EDWARDS IS READY TO GO!!
    -THE BILLS WILL WIN THIS ONE BIG!
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    BILLS BILLS BILLS!!!!!

    THE BILLS ARE OFF A BYE WEEK AND EDWARDS IS READY TO GO!!
    -THE BILLS WILL WIN THIS ONE BIG!
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 5:08 PM ET #43

    Buffalo Bills +110
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 5:26 PM ET #44

    Reverse line movement. Buffalo is now -1. I love it. With all of the money on San Diego, the line went in a different direction. Now the Bills are favored.
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    Reverse line movement. Buffalo is now -1. I love it. With all of the money on San Diego, the line went in a different direction. Now the Bills are favored.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 6:11 PM ET #45

    <<<<<<< Again, for emphasis. The Buffalo Bills are not an underdog. There is no underdog.
     
    Study the game. Not the money. Nobody on the outside knows where the money is coming from and if people actually think bookmakers are reporting accurately, well,..... people will think what they want to think.
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    <<<<<<< Again, for emphasis. The Buffalo Bills are not an underdog. There is no underdog.
     
    Study the game. Not the money. Nobody on the outside knows where the money is coming from and if people actually think bookmakers are reporting accurately, well,..... people will think what they want to think.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 7:21 PM ET #46

    [quote]The Bills were preparing for Miami and NYJ during their bye week. They know they can't beat San Diego and they know they'd better not lose to the AFC East opponents on deck, Miami and/or the Jets.[quote]
    Has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard on covers. 
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    [quote]The Bills were preparing for Miami and NYJ during their bye week. They know they can't beat San Diego and they know they'd better not lose to the AFC East opponents on deck, Miami and/or the Jets.[quote]
    Has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard on covers. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2008 - 8:00 PM ET #47

    love the bills here - sd playing a 1pm game on the east-coast.  sleep walking through the first half.

    Bills - 23
    SD - 17
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    love the bills here - sd playing a 1pm game on the east-coast.  sleep walking through the first half.

    Bills - 23
    SD - 17
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by peppy222]
    <<<<<<< Again, for emphasis. The Buffalo Bills are not an underdog. There is no underdog.
     
    Study the game. Not the money. Nobody on the outside knows where the money is coming from and if people actually think bookmakers are reporting accurately, well,..... people will think what they want to think.
     
    I study everything. That's why I'm good. +1 is +3. Football is a game of field goals. touchdowns and an occasional safety. Even a half point is a field goal. I have done very well following the money, and for some reason i'm not going to stop doing that because peppy said so. Peppy knows what peppy knows, and I know what i know. And what i know is that if you consistently watch the public all on one side and if that side loses value (points at the same time while they keep putting money on that side, i'm going to always go the other way. Carolina-3, Baltimore moneyline, Buffalo-1, Redskins-7. ALL of my plays are of the minority as far as where people are spending their money, and all of the moneylines match up with the plays that I am making. Sorry, pal, I'm a money watcher. I don't want to know if the free safety can do endzone dances.
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by peppy222]
    <<<<<<< Again, for emphasis. The Buffalo Bills are not an underdog. There is no underdog.
     
    Study the game. Not the money. Nobody on the outside knows where the money is coming from and if people actually think bookmakers are reporting accurately, well,..... people will think what they want to think.
     
    I study everything. That's why I'm good. +1 is +3. Football is a game of field goals. touchdowns and an occasional safety. Even a half point is a field goal. I have done very well following the money, and for some reason i'm not going to stop doing that because peppy said so. Peppy knows what peppy knows, and I know what i know. And what i know is that if you consistently watch the public all on one side and if that side loses value (points at the same time while they keep putting money on that side, i'm going to always go the other way. Carolina-3, Baltimore moneyline, Buffalo-1, Redskins-7. ALL of my plays are of the minority as far as where people are spending their money, and all of the moneylines match up with the plays that I am making. Sorry, pal, I'm a money watcher. I don't want to know if the free safety can do endzone dances.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2008 - 1:04 AM ET #49

    Oh yeah, and KC+9 and more with public donations
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    Oh yeah, and KC+9 and more with public donations
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2008 - 1:05 AM ET #50

    Bills will pull the plug on the Bolts for sure and SD will be nothing more than a dead wire.  Also, to my knowledge, home teams that are favored by a point usually win outright.
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