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#151
passed onto Reggie Wayne. Im just hoping for some points. Thinking over. Anyone else?
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New England at Indianapolis (11/04/2007)
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#154
To djorange007...
If you don’t think that Kevin Faulk is HUGE part of the Patriots offense, than you my friend have not watched many of their games. He plays a critical role in that offense. he may not be a household name (like some of the other guys on the field) but the plays that he makes for NE to help keep the chains moving will definitely play a huge role in the match-up Sunday. (Watch it, and be sure to stop in here afterwards to give me credit for the homework I’ve done on this game).
I didnt say Seau will have a huge impact on this game. Just that he can’t be discounted. If he were being asked to play every snap, you would be right; he'd be useless because of his age. But since he is not a starter, he is only asked to come in and make "situational" plays. When used like that, he is still extremely effective (He has 3 INTs this season. More than ANY Colts player).
You obviously didn’t watch the AFCCG. Do you know who Ray Mickens, R. Baker, and Eric Alexandra are?? NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE!! Those were the guys Indy came back on in the second half of that championship game. I think it is safe to assume they will not be on the field Sunday.
Give me some LEGIT reasons that point to the Colts keeping this close, and prove to me what YOU know about the NFL.
I have laid out more than a few key match-ups which I think NE will exploit. You have come up with "The Colts are great!!" and "You guys are crazy homers" (which im not BTW)... Not a lot of substance there bro.
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#155
Revisciano,
Ok so b/c indy won the last game they aren't after revenge so they wont play hard and they wont win, that makes iron clad sense.
No one on this post dared to say indy was better than NE, b/c THEY AREN'T. Arizona is not better than the steelers, the bills are not better than the ravens, the dolphins weren't better than the pats or bears last season, you dont have to be the best team in the league to win a game, they are called upsets you jackass. Have you never seen an underdog win straight up???? And are you really going to boil the colts season to the first half of last weeks game?? THEY WON THAT GAME BY 24 POINTS! What is wrong with you people, you keep talking but you arent saying ANYTHING!!!
And if you want to bring up proving something, you dont think any of the colts are aware that they are nearly a TD underdog at home? Don't you think that makes them a little angry?
Someone tell me why the Patriots are going to cover this spread. And if someone says something as intangible and retarded as revenge, you should just kill yourself, b/c if everyone who was out for revenge won the game, no team would ever beat another team twice in a row.
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#156
Kevin Faulk
126 yds rushing 190 yds recieving..........
What?
Freeney Career 86 games
60 sacks
177 solo tackles
Seymour career 87 games
29.5 sacks
176 solo tackles
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I have heard of Peyton Manning, and he's the reason they won the AFC CG "bro".
Get your shit together, I don't know what will happen this sunday but I damn sure am not ready to say the pats will run away with this game.
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#157
[Quote: Originally Posted by GoG] ts... the reason that first half doesn't worry me is 1) it wasn't a bad first half, it was a bad first quarter... weren't they up 10 at halftime? 2) i saw Cleveland march the ball up and down the field on NE all day (in their house)... a game that would have ALSO been much closer if not for an int in the endzone on their first drive, and a meaningless fumble return in the last minute of the game that bumped the score up to 17... a score that almost didn't hold up as Cleveland went right down the field and had a couple shots in the endzone to get a last second score...
once again, an example of bringing up one example while ignoring others... let's not forget the Bills were leading the Pats 7-3 well into the second quarter... you explain why that doesn't worry you...
GoG, you sir, are a moron.
YOU Check YOUR stats before you post next time, please.
Indy's was up 10-7 at the half, and they scored the touchdown with less than 2 minutes left in the HALF! Which would be the second quarter since it seems you need the help. Carolina threw the INT when they were already up 7-3 midway through the second and they were on the Indy 9 yard line at the time. This is YOUR team, weren't you watching the game? The Patriots just pounded the Washington Redskins dicks in the dirt and Indy just struggled against a 43 year old QB.
The Pats were up 20-0 at halftime against Cleveland. Cleveland marched up and down the field? The Bills game was 17-7 at halftime.
Now I know you're a joke and I will ignore you accordingly.
You are calling all the Pats posters yahoo's but you need to go back and read the useless rah rah sh*t you've been posting. Don't be mad if Patriots backers are over confident, they have a reason to be, they've watched them play, closely.
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#158
Posted by GoG
the reason that first half doesn't worry me is 1) it wasn't a bad first half, it was a bad first quarter... weren't they up 10 at halftime?
The Patriots were dominating the Colts on both sides of the line in the first half, and that was without being at full strength on D#, and Rache Caldwell as their #1WR.
Posted by GoG
i saw Cleveland march the ball up and down the field on NE all day (in their house)... a game that would have ALSO been much closer if not for an int in the endzone on their first drive, and a meaningless fumble return in the last minute of the game that bumped the score up to 17... a score that almost didn't hold up as Cleveland went right down the field and had a couple shots in the endzone to get a last second score...
A. Their head coach knows the Patriots D# better than any other coach in the league.
B. NE has played in mostly vanilla prevent packages all season long, with the exception of a couple of games. They havnt shown any of the exotic stuff (that Belichick is famous for) yet.
Posted by GoG
once again, an example of bringing up one example while ignoring others... let's not forget the Bills were leading the Pats 7-3 well into the second quarter... you explain why that doesn't worry you...
Because Buffalo is a scrappy little team, and the game still ended in a 38-7 BLOWOUT.
Posted by GoG
Watson on a LB, while ignoring the same on the other side with Clark on a LB...
The LB Clark would be matched up with (AD Thomas) is capable of taking Clark away (especially if M.Harrison doesnt play). The same cant be said on the Colts side. (Who even plays LB for them?)
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#159
Look, all this back and forth shit is not going to make any of us any money come Sunday, which is the only reason I come to this website. NOTE THE NAME OF THE WEBSITE!!! I only care who is going to COVER THE GAME and only come here to hear peoples reasoning for leaning one way or the other. I think the Patriots are going to cover and I've stated last week's games as my main reason for feeling that way. All the rest of this is just useless noise that I have to wade through.
There have been maybe 10 relevant posts on this entire thread. Lets get back to why we are all here, and that's to discuss how we are going to make money on Sunday. PLEASE!
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#160
Quote Originally Posted by djorange007:
"bellicheat wins hands down" except for the last three against indy where he did the exact opposite and ummm lost.
The last three times that these teams faced NE was not the highest scoring team in the league. They weren't "running up the score" as the haters say. Brady was not the Leagues leader in just about all of the QB stats that count. We didn't have Randy Moss ( Leads in Yards and TD's ). We didn't have Welker and Stallworth........
Best QB? Brady
Best WR? Moss
Best Running Back? Addai and Maroney both average 4.8 a carry so that is a Toss up. Maroney would have more TD's if not for injury and the fact that we have the greatest set of WR's ever.
| 1st, AFC East | Standing | 1st, AFC South |
| 439.5 ypg (1st) | Offense | 399.0 ypg (3rd) |
| 303.8 ypg (1st) | Passing | 258.7 ypg (6th) |
| 135.8 ypg (8th) | Rushing | 140.3 ypg (5th) |
| 268.5 ypg (3rd) | Defense | 272.9 ypg (4th) |
| Won 8 | Streaks | Won 7 |
The only aspect of the game they rank better is Rushing. Butonce again, that is due to our WR's being who they are.
Not opinions. This is all based on #'s.....
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#161
Question to ask yourself
Are the Colts good enough to beat the Cowboys by 21 and the Skins by 45? I highly doubt it.
Like I have said earlier, you can not look at the last three matchups or any other trends when it comes to the Pats and Indy. The Pats team we are seeing this year is nohting like the Pats of last year or years prior. No other Team has done what this team has. No trend is going to help you here.
You're talking about a team that is averaging over 40 points a game and winning by 25 pints a contest. They have had no close games.....
I don't know what else to say....
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#164
But by throwing out all the trends heads up all you have is what the pats and colts did against the teams they played, did the colts play tougher teams to this point? Maybe, maybe not, they have won three division games on the road in a division thats quite better than the afc east. A question to ask yourself is will the pats play a single close game on their way to the super bowl? Or will they, like you said, do something no one else has ever done and go undefeated SU and ATS? I understand the Patriots are amazing, I'm not denying that, but to just count out the colts b/c the patriots are killing NFC teams and AFC east teams may not be wise. Obviously no one can definitively say what will happen this weekend, but if you think the pats win big, then you are basically saying barring injury to key players that they will not play a single close game all year (since the colts are second best and they are in the RCA Dome). Has the NFL come to a point where 8 weeks into the season a team can be labeled the best team in history and the super bowl champ??? For competitive balance sake lets hope not, or there is no point (other than betting) to care about any team but the pats.
Sorry for getting off topic earlier i just wanted some colts backers to come out of the woodwork, everyone here thinks the pats are going to cover by at least 2 TDS. This team is special clearly but the colts are undefeated too men.
Im going out, but good luck to everyone this weekend!! And you pats fans need to realize you haven't won ANYTHING yet, there is no trophy for being 8-0, enjoy it while it lasts but assuming every game will be this easy may not be that wise!!
GLA
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#165
I am so envious of u A-holes. I'm in Houston and guess what, we will be forced to watch the MIGHTY texans against the SUPERIOR raiders. Aarggggh. I think we are the only ones that won't get this game. good luck all u bettors. I think Indy will cover base on everything oldman djorange007 stated above.
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#166
Quote Originally Posted by hardly covers:
Fu#k that bro go to a sports bar that will have the game and watch some real football!!!!!!! I am so envious of u A-holes. I'm in Houston and guess what, we will be forced to watch the MIGHTY texans against the SUPERIOR raiders. Aarggggh. I think we are the only ones that won't get this game. good luck all u bettors. I think Indy will cover base on everything oldman djorange007 stated above.
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#168
Pats -6 now. Public now on the Pats at 88% strong (obviously 12% Colts). Like I stated earlier, I believe this line moves to -7 before game time to get the late Colt money, which is happening right now. Pats ML at -260 (36%), Colts at +220 (64% public favored). People are getting great value for taking the Colts at +220, but I think that is what Vegas wants people to think. Maybe they think that people will take Colts ML for +220 instead of Colts +6 or +7 because of the payout, therefore creating more value for the Pats at -6 or -7. I am a Colts fan, but I just don't think that they win this game. Also, like I said earlier, I think the Pats win by 9 or more in this game, so that 7 point spread will just make people think "well a TD is a lot, I'll take the Colts". It just looks like a TD, and "a TD is too many points to give to the Colts" (what most people are thinking), thinking like that gets a lot of Colts backers. I think this game is O.K to wait on, even if it goes to -7, but to be safe in case of a backdoor cover pass to Marvin Harrison (haha) take it now at -6. I took the Pats at -5.5, but not a HUGE play because I want to win the money, but I would like the Colts to win (I hate rooting against a team I have money on) so that ESPN will stop talking about them 24/7 and maybe talk a little bit about the undefeated reigning superbowl champions, like it's only fair.
GL
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#170
Thought this was worth posting...
Belichick could turn this game into a blowout, too
November 2, 2007
Mike Florio
It might sound like hyperbole, but Sunday's game between the New England Patriots and Indianapolis Colts truly is the biggest game in the history of the NFL regular season. It's the first time that two teams with records of 7-0 or better have faced off. It features the defending Super Bowl champion, undefeated and by all appearances better than last season, yet somehow the underdog at home. And in a league controlled by quarterbacks, this game has two of the finest.
Still, there's a good chance that the most significant regular-season game that the league has ever seen will be a far cry from the best one. If that's the case, blame it on Colts coach Tony Dungy and his reaction to the Patriots cheating scandal.
Belichick and the Pats have had extra motivation since the drama following the Week 1 win over the Jets. Since then, they have seemingly been on a mission not just to prevail but to pulverize.
There's a school of thought in league circles that New England coach Bill Belichick has kept track of the folks who called him out, both publicly and off the record, after the league fined the organization $250,000 and Belichick twice that amount for a relatively insignificant violation of the rules against videotaping signals. The thought is, plenty of NFL rules get violated by most -- if not all -- the teams without incident; the fact that Belichick and the Pats got caught doesn't give coaches and teams who haven't been caught license to pile on.
For example, Cowboys coach Wade Phillips reportedly suggested the Pats' Super Bowl wins might be tainted. So, in the Week 6 game between the two teams, the Pats led by 14 with less than a minute to play and tacked on another seven in lieu of taking a knee or two.
And on Sunday against the Redskins, the Pats kept pressing in the fourth quarter, running the score up to 52-7. Though no one from the Redskins openly spoke about the Patriots and the cheating scandal, the speculation is someone from the team sounded off privately and word of it got back to Belichick.
So what about the Colts? Well, their normally reserved and mild-mannered head coach had an "oh, no he didn't" moment back in September when he denounced Belichick, without specifically naming him.
Dungy called the situation "a sad day for the NFL." Yikes.
"I think it's a really, really bad situation for the NFL in total," Dungy said. He went on to explain that he feels bad for several of the current and former Patriots players, who are "going to be linked now with the negative." He expressed remorse for owner Bob Kraft, whom Dungy believes is "going to have to answer questions" whenever anything goes wrong at his stadium.
Then came the kicker. "I don't think videotaping is commonplace," Dungy said. "We all got memos. We all know the rules. I've never heard of anybody videotaping anything."
If Dungy has never heard of anyone videotaping anything, then he has not been listening. According to former Cowboys and Dolphins coach Jimmy Johnson, stealing signals via videotape or otherwise is common. And Johnson says one of Dungy's employees, offensive line coach Howard Mudd, is one of the best in the business at the practice of swiping signs.
If it's true Belichick has taken names and is responding accordingly, Dungy has definitely earned a spot at the top of the list.
Well, maybe he's No. 2, behind Jets coach Eric Mangini.
Either way, Belichick will have his troops worked up into an even thicker lather than usual, and the Patriots will be ready, willing, and able to blow the Colts off Dungy's holier-than-thou perch.
Scratching random itches (thanks, Coach Ditka)
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#171
WOW. I come back to a thread that's had dirt all up on inside of it.
I love people who love football, but I hate people who have too much pride up there a** that they get crazy when other people put in there two cents on who they like in a game. Yes, I'm sure you all see my name. I'm a pats fan. But you don't see me talking my dirt to those who are picking Indy. I give respect for others and their opinions. It's a gamble, not everyone will be wagering the same.. and not everyone can win. I'm assuming everyone in here is not 16 years old anymore, so please gather up some maturity and show a little respect for everyone else regardless of who they are putting their money on. At the end of the day, it's their money they are losing if they lose, and it's your money if you are winning. Who cares if someone else isn't playing the same team you are? Some people just can't see that this is a public thread, of course there will be others out there who are siding differently. Patriots or Colts? It's nice to hear your insights and your facts on the game.. but if you're here to bash others.. grow up and GET OVER IT.
Oh, and this message isn't to everyone on here. I respect those who are here to get and give information to win us all some money. There's just a few others out there who seem to be indifferent about why we're all really here.
For those of you who understand this message.. let's all make some money this weekend.
GL to Indy backers and the Patriots backers.
I love people who love football, but I hate people who have too much pride up there a** that they get crazy when other people put in there two cents on who they like in a game. Yes, I'm sure you all see my name. I'm a pats fan. But you don't see me talking my dirt to those who are picking Indy. I give respect for others and their opinions. It's a gamble, not everyone will be wagering the same.. and not everyone can win. I'm assuming everyone in here is not 16 years old anymore, so please gather up some maturity and show a little respect for everyone else regardless of who they are putting their money on. At the end of the day, it's their money they are losing if they lose, and it's your money if you are winning. Who cares if someone else isn't playing the same team you are? Some people just can't see that this is a public thread, of course there will be others out there who are siding differently. Patriots or Colts? It's nice to hear your insights and your facts on the game.. but if you're here to bash others.. grow up and GET OVER IT.
Oh, and this message isn't to everyone on here. I respect those who are here to get and give information to win us all some money. There's just a few others out there who seem to be indifferent about why we're all really here.
For those of you who understand this message.. let's all make some money this weekend.
GL to Indy backers and the Patriots backers.
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#172
Just wanted to add my two cents worth here, the rest of the world has, so why not....obviously, the PATS are looking unreal, but most of thier blowouts have really come against shitty teams...except for the Cowboys, who after taking the lead in the second half just ran out of gas on defense, because of a short week and that huge comeback on Mon night against Buffalo....that game wouldbe gone to the wire if it werent for that...and the Chargers, who just took couple weeks to wake up(a la Rivers being weak)....the Skins offense is pitiful, Joe Gibbs is washed up , Cle, Buff, Mia, Bungles, and Jets..well we know what they are......not taking anything away from the Pats talented team, but they finally have real test with Indy.....Ive never been a big fan of road faves, and Indy still is the reigning champs...this line should be NE-3 at best....Super Bowl Champ home dog?....hmmm, when was the last time that happened?...Ever?...Brady may be due for a not so perfect game either....this should be a close game, and the fact that the Pats are giving all those points leads me to believe this......Indy teaser with someone else seems fairly safe.....just my viewpoint
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#173
tsjerome... this is NOT my team... i already said that... and the Colts were leading at halftime... i thought it was 10, but that's why i asked... they pushed it 10 quickly and dominated the 2nd half... it's a 60 minute game... you pointed out the int in the endzone by Vinny... just like i pointed out the int in the endzone by DA in the Pats game... both ints turned the game around just the same... so my point stays the same...
moga... don't even know what you're talking about... someone asked me about the first half of the Colts-Panthers game, and you started talking about the Pats-Colts game, i think... but the fact you have to ask who the Colts LBs are is just another indication that you only know 1 side of the story... and by the way, Thomas can't hang with Clark...
dsummer... i only keep mentioning the Browns game because it keeps being brought up... read earlier posts... i have a job, and lots of free time on it... and i have said multiple times i haven't decided on who or if i'm betting on in this game... and with the latest info i will get into that...
chase... the best WR's ever? come on! these are the statements that make all other fans think you guys are retards... 8 games into the season and Moss/Stallworth/Welker are now the best WRs ever assembled... man that is an insult to so many teams and so many WRs...
i respect the fact you guys are all Pats fans, and supporting (arguing for) your team... so not gonna keep trying to talk football sense with you about it... the Colts are NOT my team, but i respect the way both teams play, and get tired of these 1 sided arguments that talk like the two teams are in completely different leagues... don't know how long you guys have been watching football, but i've been watching long enough to know these are both great teams, very complete, well coached, with hall of fame QBs and all the weapons you need on both sides of the ball...
when you talk like 1 team is eons better than the other, it only disrespects your fan base, in my opinion...
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#174
Quote Originally Posted by GoG:
um... no, they won't...
the public is all juiced up on these phony blow out scores, and it has you so brain-washed you think it can happen against the best team in football... they play a real team this week, and there will be no blowout, no running up the score, and probably no victory... the best defense on the field is playing for the blue and white...
lots of deluded fans out there, that's for sure... and like i said, it is humorous... who the hell do you think you're playing??? this isn't the Dolphins! just like the Colts have to stop Brady, the Pats have to stop Manning... and the Colts are more well equipped to do their part than the Pats... the Colts have given up the fewest big plays in the league this year... if you really think you are going to be lobbing up bombs to Moss for TDs all day, you have a very simple-minded understanding of the game of football...
i hope Marvin plays, because if he does, the Colts will be putting on a clinic this weekend...
enjoy the game!
um... no, they won't...
the public is all juiced up on these phony blow out scores, and it has you so brain-washed you think it can happen against the best team in football... they play a real team this week, and there will be no blowout, no running up the score, and probably no victory... the best defense on the field is playing for the blue and white...
lots of deluded fans out there, that's for sure... and like i said, it is humorous... who the hell do you think you're playing??? this isn't the Dolphins! just like the Colts have to stop Brady, the Pats have to stop Manning... and the Colts are more well equipped to do their part than the Pats... the Colts have given up the fewest big plays in the league this year... if you really think you are going to be lobbing up bombs to Moss for TDs all day, you have a very simple-minded understanding of the game of football...
i hope Marvin plays, because if he does, the Colts will be putting on a clinic this weekend...
enjoy the game!
Seriously GoG, you havent decided who to bet on this weekend, if you really go against yourself in a game you clearly think the colts will win, then you are in fact a F%cking retard. So mr handicapper, please enlighten us because we are all apparently wrong.
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#175
now, after all this talk, it turns out this game lost much of it's luster, at least if Harrison can't go, or can't be effective...
here's why: going to break this game down... which nobody else really has (not much, anyway)...
IF Harrison were in the game, the Colts offense can put the Pats into a situation that neutralizes their strength at LB, forcing them into a nickel package... despite this belief that the Pats are invulnerable, they actually are very vulnerable when a team can spread them out and force them into nickel packages... the weakness of this team is in the secondary, where they are not that fast and not that big... with Harrison (Marvin, that is) in, they can effectively line up 3 wideouts, with Clark over the middle... this forces the Pats to either stay in their 3 LB package and get mismatched by the wideouts... or go into a nickel package and get mismatched by the 3rd WR and particularly Clark... also, in the nickel package, the running game of the Colts in the spread offense will thrive...
however, without Harrison, the Colts will most likely stick to 2 TE sets, which really can't exploit this matchup advantage, and plays right to the Pats strengths... the alternative is to use Moorehead in place of Harrison, and we all know that just is not the same...
so... if Harrison can't go, that is a big hit on the Colts effectiveness on offense, and i would be very hesitant to have money on them... if he does go, and can play a lot and be effective, Colts would be a great bet!
this game is all about methodical ball control for the Colts... playing keep away, basically... but what makes this effective for the Colts, is that the Pats can't do that as well, and if they try to be methodical like the Colts, it neutralizes that big play ability they have... so it's a double-edged sword... if the Pats want to use a quick strike approach, the Colts would be fine with that, as long as they can answer with long methodical drives... because come 2nd half, if the Colts are still within a TD, their D will be fresh, and the admittedly Old and slowish D of the Pats will be dying to get off the field...
Watson is a key in this game for the Pats... it wasn't certain if he would play, and if he didn't, just like losing Harrison is critical to the Colts, losing Watson would have been for the Pats... he is what allows them to still run the ball and attack the middle of the field, while spreading it out and forcing the Colts into their nickel D... with Watson in, and Harrison out, the edge is definitely in the Pats favor... the Colts other role players will have to step up bigtime...
i still think the Colts D is fast and athletic enough to control the Pats offense and keep it from getting ugly early on... but if the Colts offense can't play ball control effectively, the Colts D might break in the 2nd half, and the game could get away from them...
there you have it, an actual breakdown of the game... as opposed to the meaningless garbage talk that has dominated this page...
hopefully it will still be a great game... will not be betting on the Colts unless i hear that Harrison is going to go... but even then, nobody will know how effective he can be... might bet on the Pats, more for reasons of capitalizing on possible future value in the lines, but that is a whole other story... i still think above 4.5 there isn't great value on the Pats in this game, and over 7 there is value on the Colts... but the Pats definitely have an opportunity to pull away in the 2nd half...
also wondering if the Colts really want this as much as the Pats... Dungy has rested players and given them days off... and i think if the Colts were viewing this game the way the Pats are Harrison would play on a broken leg... it is possible the Colts are going to save him for a potential later meeting and not risk something in the name of futility in this game...
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