Well that's oen way to do it

you're definitely on to something there.  if you are going out with friends, having a good time and getting laid, you aren't planning some mass shooting of kids and carrying it out.  i think we can all agree on that.  and to that extent, anyone who represses sexual expression is not doing society any favors.

and i largely agree with the rest, particularly the pharmaceutical angle.  you know what our government's solution is to people with mental problems who don't perfectly fit into society and act out one way or another- throw them in jail.  our jails and prisons are overcrowded and the government responds to this by throwing more money into police, DOJ, prisons, etc.  but there are two ways to solve that problem: 1. if people shut the darn up when police knock on their door and/or arrest them and 2. we took the people with mental illnesses out of jail/prison.

other than that, you know what's happening here.  some terrible thing happens, the media seizes upon it and makes it a top story for weeks, but they don't do any investigating or journalism to try and find the true problem or the true cause, it's all surface level, shallow bullshit, the politicians feel like we need to "do something" so they take advantage of the hysteria and pass new laws that won't do anything to help the problem.  so to that extent i'm against this kind of gun control because it just means more government and more stupid, ineffective laws. 

i have a simple solution that id imagine would go over fairly well with the ninety nine percenters

here's a solution i thought of that i like for this war on drugs.  take all of the tax money we are putting into the jails and prisons and give it back to the people.  how excited will people be to get a check from the government for all of the bilions and billions we spend on the war on drugs. 

and then, every time the government wants to put someone in prison for a drug crime, figure out the cost and send the bill to each taxpayer with an explanation about what the guy did, what the sentence will be and how much they owe to pay for it.  go in alphabetical order and send a bill saying joe smith got arrested for possession of crack and the state wants to put him in jail for 12 months and it will cost $35,000 to do that and here's the bill. 

i wonder how enthusiastic people would be about our criminal justice system if they had to pay for it out of pocket.  it's really no different than what we do now, it's just that people are not smart enough to understand how they are getting fucked.

and post #26 is why i could never be a rightwinger-  because i am not in favor of big, huge, infinite government, even when it would benefit my position (at least in theory)

As a conservative leaning independent myself the 21st century history of GOP/rightwing has been about big government and reckless spending. Really hard for me as a conservative leaning person to side with.

But Dirt the reason that you drive right wingers bananas is that you bring up the theocratic dictatorship that the GOP/rightwing uses to have their voting base mindlessly follow them on like a religion. And when this blind faith way of thinking is brought to the light of day the panic sets in.

You remember there was so much focus insisting that the "election was about the economy" mainly because they knew that there was no way Romney and the GOP would win over the independents and libertarian voters with their consistent agenda to do away with the principle of separation of church and state that the founding father fought so hard to give us.

Because they knew that a monarchy is often in bed with religion and theocracy to keep power and the separation of church and state would help ensure that would happen along with the 2nd ammendent.

That is why I can never understand right wingers tht talk so much about the 2nd ammendent to protect ourselves yet are completely hell bent of pissing of the our forefather's idea of separation of church and state which is designed to protect us on the exact same totalitarian/monarchy rule that gain power through mixing religion and government.

if you respect Jesus, shouldnt you at least capitalize his name?

just asking

also, Jesus and healthcare are two very different discussions and not synonomous

DL 

lord, i hope jesus will forgive me that my grammatical style, particular to covers, prevents me from capitalizing his or most other names except for the occasional fellow poster.  jesus, if you're watching, no disrespect. 

as to your other comment, i do see a relationship between jesus and healthgcare to the extent that i would think jesus would be interested in the poor, the elderly, the young, the sick and the vulnerable getting basic healthcare and less interested in insurance companies making billions interjecting themselves into the medical system and politicians playing politics with access to basic healthcare.  maybe i'm wrong about that.

look at manti teo.  you see the lengths happy people have to go to cover up their homosexuality when they are repressed by religion?  you see how fucked up this kid is now from this garbage?  if people just got laid, by whichever sex they like, this world would be a much better and more normal place. 

How about you respect others when it comes to having faith in a religion.

No one is imposing their religious views on you.

We've been down this road as you are so staunchly opposed to religion for whatever reason.

Clubdirt couldn't be more spot on, Jesus, would have grossly supported these measures in helping the poor of a civilized society who can't provide for themselves. And for you to denigrate religion as you often do with churches and you pathetic attempt to slander nonprofits too, you must be insecure with yourself.