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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2024 - 9:42 PM ET #2351

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:  Putin says in interview with that racist who got FIRED from Fox News, that it was POLAND that caused WW2.  @fubah2  Coming from a fascist like Putin I am not surprised he tried to advance that crap to a halfwit.   He wants to justify his own invasion of Ukraine the same way. And fascism supporter fuckercarlson wants to help him do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:  Putin says in interview with that racist who got FIRED from Fox News, that it was POLAND that caused WW2.  @fubah2  Coming from a fascist like Putin I am not surprised he tried to advance that crap to a halfwit.   He wants to justify his own invasion of Ukraine the same way. And fascism supporter fuckercarlson wants to help him do it
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2024 - 9:44 PM ET #2352

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    To answer the OP..........., The next step is for smart Congressman to ask "" how"" the next installment for Ukraine funds will be enough to. ""Win the war"".  Notice how Biden isn't interested in winning the war on anything.   Smart Congressman would be asking what the Ukrainians need to push the Soviets out of Ukraine.   Give them the tools to accomplish the goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    To answer the OP..........., The next step is for smart Congressman to ask "" how"" the next installment for Ukraine funds will be enough to. ""Win the war"".  Notice how Biden isn't interested in winning the war on anything.   Smart Congressman would be asking what the Ukrainians need to push the Soviets out of Ukraine.   Give them the tools to accomplish the goal.

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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2024 - 1:05 AM ET #2353

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:  Putin says in interview with that racist who got FIRED from Fox News, that it was POLAND that caused WW2.  @fubah2  Coming from a fascist like Putin I am not surprised he tried to advance that crap to a halfwit.   He wants to justify his own invasion of Ukraine the same way. And fascism supporter fuckercarlson wants to help him do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:  Putin says in interview with that racist who got FIRED from Fox News, that it was POLAND that caused WW2.  @fubah2  Coming from a fascist like Putin I am not surprised he tried to advance that crap to a halfwit.   He wants to justify his own invasion of Ukraine the same way. And fascism supporter fuckercarlson wants to help him do it

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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2024 - 2:43 AM ET #2354

    Putin promotes false propaganda to justify illegal unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.  Myth is that Ukraine is only a NATO proxy and Russia is defending itself against the aggressor Ukraine.  Myth is that Putin seeks peace negotiations.  Myth is that Ukraine is a corrupt country led by neo-Nazis.  Myth is that sanctions have no effect on Russia economy and do not work.  Myth is that western aid feeds a endless war with no chance of Ukraine victory.  Myth is that either Russia wins the war or it will lead to world war III.

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    Putin promotes false propaganda to justify illegal unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.  Myth is that Ukraine is only a NATO proxy and Russia is defending itself against the aggressor Ukraine.  Myth is that Putin seeks peace negotiations.  Myth is that Ukraine is a corrupt country led by neo-Nazis.  Myth is that sanctions have no effect on Russia economy and do not work.  Myth is that western aid feeds a endless war with no chance of Ukraine victory.  Myth is that either Russia wins the war or it will lead to world war III.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2024 - 8:38 AM ET #2355

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Putin promotes false propaganda to justify illegal unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.  Myth is that Ukraine is only a NATO proxy and Russia is defending itself against the aggressor Ukraine.  Myth is that Putin seeks peace negotiations.  Myth is that Ukraine is a corrupt country led by neo-Nazis.  Myth is that sanctions have no effect on Russia economy and do not work.  Myth is that western aid feeds a endless war with no chance of Ukraine victory.  Myth is that either Russia wins the war or it will lead to world war III.

    I don't think any of those things are myths. The neo-nazi thing, I can't speak to but the other stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Putin promotes false propaganda to justify illegal unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.  Myth is that Ukraine is only a NATO proxy and Russia is defending itself against the aggressor Ukraine.  Myth is that Putin seeks peace negotiations.  Myth is that Ukraine is a corrupt country led by neo-Nazis.  Myth is that sanctions have no effect on Russia economy and do not work.  Myth is that western aid feeds a endless war with no chance of Ukraine victory.  Myth is that either Russia wins the war or it will lead to world war III.

    I don't think any of those things are myths. The neo-nazi thing, I can't speak to but the other stuff...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2024 - 9:10 AM ET #2356

    "Myth is criminals always find ways to get guns." That didn't work out so well.

    I really don't see to many legal invasions. Guess it depends if you are the invader. an_light

    Putin certainly seeks peace negotiations, but on his terms. Can't have that can we. That would be egg on Biden's face, No, lets kill more and call Putin "crazy son of a bitch," that'll show him!

    No myth here; Urkraine has been and is a corrupt country. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

    Don't believe ANYONE has said Neo-Nazi's lead Ukraine. This statement is a deflection to the FACT Zelensky and Ukraine DID SUPPORT Neo-Nazi's killing Russian speaking people in Eastern Ukraine. 

    As much as the media tries to deflect this FACT with 'Putin falsely states he is invading to de-nazi-fy Ukraine', Putin's statement has some validity. an_light

    https://sites.wrk.ru/sites/com/li/livejournal/pics/ic/da_dzi/8465174/296703/296703_original.jpg

    Yes, this war will be endless. Yes, Russia will never allow Ukraine to join NATO. And yes, Russia will survive sanctions and will be forced to align itself with China, Iran, and North Korea. 

    Great job Joe!

     

     

     

     

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    "Myth is criminals always find ways to get guns." That didn't work out so well.

    I really don't see to many legal invasions. Guess it depends if you are the invader. an_light

    Putin certainly seeks peace negotiations, but on his terms. Can't have that can we. That would be egg on Biden's face, No, lets kill more and call Putin "crazy son of a bitch," that'll show him!

    No myth here; Urkraine has been and is a corrupt country. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

    Don't believe ANYONE has said Neo-Nazi's lead Ukraine. This statement is a deflection to the FACT Zelensky and Ukraine DID SUPPORT Neo-Nazi's killing Russian speaking people in Eastern Ukraine. 

    As much as the media tries to deflect this FACT with 'Putin falsely states he is invading to de-nazi-fy Ukraine', Putin's statement has some validity. an_light

    https://sites.wrk.ru/sites/com/li/livejournal/pics/ic/da_dzi/8465174/296703/296703_original.jpg

    Yes, this war will be endless. Yes, Russia will never allow Ukraine to join NATO. And yes, Russia will survive sanctions and will be forced to align itself with China, Iran, and North Korea. 

    Great job Joe!

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2024 - 9:36 AM ET #2357

    Rueters, March, 2015; https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0ML0XI/

     

    The far-right Azov battalion, whose symbol resembles a black swastika on a yellow background, is preparing to defend the port city of Mariupol in southeastern Ukraine against a widely expected attack by pro-Russian separatists.
    The 1,000 strong ultra-nationalist militia has a reputation as a fierce pro-government fighting force in the almost year-old conflict with the Russia-backed rebels in east Ukraine, and is disdainful of peace efforts.
     
    But the radical views of the commanders of a group affiliated to Ukraine's national guard which works alongside the army, and the use of symbols echoing Nazi emblems have caused alarm in the West and Russia, and could return to haunt Kiev's pro-Western leadership when fighting eventually ends.
    "We don't like the ceasefire at all. As with the previous ones, it'll only lead to another offensive by the enemy," Azov commander Andriy Biletsky told Reuters while watching artillery drills at Urzuf, on the shores of the Sea of Azov, about 40 km south-west of Mariupol.
     
    The Azov battalion originated from Biletsky's paramilitary national socialist group called "Patriot of Ukraine", which propagated slogans of white supremacy, racial purity, the need for authoritarian power and a centralized national economy.
     
     
     
     
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    Rueters, March, 2015; https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0ML0XI/

     

    The far-right Azov battalion, whose symbol resembles a black swastika on a yellow background, is preparing to defend the port city of Mariupol in southeastern Ukraine against a widely expected attack by pro-Russian separatists.
    The 1,000 strong ultra-nationalist militia has a reputation as a fierce pro-government fighting force in the almost year-old conflict with the Russia-backed rebels in east Ukraine, and is disdainful of peace efforts.
     
    But the radical views of the commanders of a group affiliated to Ukraine's national guard which works alongside the army, and the use of symbols echoing Nazi emblems have caused alarm in the West and Russia, and could return to haunt Kiev's pro-Western leadership when fighting eventually ends.
    "We don't like the ceasefire at all. As with the previous ones, it'll only lead to another offensive by the enemy," Azov commander Andriy Biletsky told Reuters while watching artillery drills at Urzuf, on the shores of the Sea of Azov, about 40 km south-west of Mariupol.
     
    The Azov battalion originated from Biletsky's paramilitary national socialist group called "Patriot of Ukraine", which propagated slogans of white supremacy, racial purity, the need for authoritarian power and a centralized national economy.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2024 - 11:49 AM ET #2358

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     So you are suggesting that a province who has a boundary to a MASSIVE country will "defeat" that country and that Russia will just back off and go back to how things were before knowing that this happening means that the west will have a point of entry to Russia let alone that it would mean Ukraine defeated Russia?

    You cant be serious suggesting that there is an end which Ukraine "wins" and that there is a path to accomplish that? Our money and weapons might as well be buried than to support this situation and think there is a return on investment here...this is lost money, lost lives and there cannot be a positive outcome. Russia can slow play this for a decade or two and not be at risk even with fake punitive measures that are being made and HAVE been made. Russia legally has full right to take action if there is evidence that Ukraine is not upholding their agreement or that there is risk to their larger union. 

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     So you are suggesting that a province who has a boundary to a MASSIVE country will "defeat" that country and that Russia will just back off and go back to how things were before knowing that this happening means that the west will have a point of entry to Russia let alone that it would mean Ukraine defeated Russia?

    You cant be serious suggesting that there is an end which Ukraine "wins" and that there is a path to accomplish that? Our money and weapons might as well be buried than to support this situation and think there is a return on investment here...this is lost money, lost lives and there cannot be a positive outcome. Russia can slow play this for a decade or two and not be at risk even with fake punitive measures that are being made and HAVE been made. Russia legally has full right to take action if there is evidence that Ukraine is not upholding their agreement or that there is risk to their larger union. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 2, 2024 - 3:53 PM ET #2360

    Russia now taking towns and villages in the East. At what point does this get even uglier? 

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    Russia now taking towns and villages in the East. At what point does this get even uglier? 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2024 - 11:25 AM ET #2361

    Trump has offered his solution to our money being dumped into Ukraine.

    Like FDR did with Great Britain during early WW2 we loan Ukraine military equipment and they can payback when they get back on their feet. FDR likened it to loaning your neighbor a garden hose when his house was on fire. All the while actually seeking peace. 

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    Trump has offered his solution to our money being dumped into Ukraine.

    Like FDR did with Great Britain during early WW2 we loan Ukraine military equipment and they can payback when they get back on their feet. FDR likened it to loaning your neighbor a garden hose when his house was on fire. All the while actually seeking peace. 

     
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    It's good to see Sweden formally joins the NATO, ending it's two hundred years old neutrality. After Finland, Sweden has became the 32nd member of NATO. NATO has been growing and strengthening since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. 

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/07/sweden-formally-joins-nato-military-alliance-ending-decades-of-neutrality.html

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    It's good to see Sweden formally joins the NATO, ending it's two hundred years old neutrality. After Finland, Sweden has became the 32nd member of NATO. NATO has been growing and strengthening since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. 

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/07/sweden-formally-joins-nato-military-alliance-ending-decades-of-neutrality.html

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    It's good to see Sweden formally joins the NATO, ending it's two hundred years old neutrality. After Finland, Sweden has became the 32nd member of NATO. NATO has been growing and strengthening since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.  https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/07/sweden-formally-joins-nato-military-alliance-ending-decades-of-neutrality.html
    Yes, sir...just saw this post after I created a thread about it...peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    It's good to see Sweden formally joins the NATO, ending it's two hundred years old neutrality. After Finland, Sweden has became the 32nd member of NATO. NATO has been growing and strengthening since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.  https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/07/sweden-formally-joins-nato-military-alliance-ending-decades-of-neutrality.html
    Yes, sir...just saw this post after I created a thread about it...peace_5

     
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    Donald Trump will be giving a play by play "LIVE" of the State of the Union on TruthSocial.com. Be sure to tune in as it will be interesting to see how many lies Biden will try to tell this eve and blame his entire Presidency failure on Republicans.

     

     

    It is Joe Biden border, economy, interest rates, wars started, nuclear threat, unreal crimes policies that put us where we are currently. Cannot spin it and the American people can see past the non-stop arrest of Biden opponent.  Biden practice for weeks to read a teleprompter. Hope he makes it.

     

    Trump is now even money on most betting sites and Joe is slipping to higher and higher odds. Glad to be able to post as many reported me from the looks of it. The truth sometimes stings but just like Donald J. Trump, it is hard to squash the real truth. 

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    Donald Trump will be giving a play by play "LIVE" of the State of the Union on TruthSocial.com. Be sure to tune in as it will be interesting to see how many lies Biden will try to tell this eve and blame his entire Presidency failure on Republicans.

     

     

    It is Joe Biden border, economy, interest rates, wars started, nuclear threat, unreal crimes policies that put us where we are currently. Cannot spin it and the American people can see past the non-stop arrest of Biden opponent.  Biden practice for weeks to read a teleprompter. Hope he makes it.

     

    Trump is now even money on most betting sites and Joe is slipping to higher and higher odds. Glad to be able to post as many reported me from the looks of it. The truth sometimes stings but just like Donald J. Trump, it is hard to squash the real truth. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2024 - 4:32 PM ET #2365

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: It's good to see Sweden formally joins the NATO, ending it's two hundred years old neutrality. After Finland, Sweden has became the 32nd member of NATO. NATO has been growing and strengthening since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.  https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/07/sweden-formally-joins-nato-military-alliance-ending-decades-of-neutrality.htmlYes, sir...just saw this post after I created a thread about it...

    You think this is good overall? 
    Why exactly?  What does it achieve that really make the pros better than the cons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: It's good to see Sweden formally joins the NATO, ending it's two hundred years old neutrality. After Finland, Sweden has became the 32nd member of NATO. NATO has been growing and strengthening since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.  https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/07/sweden-formally-joins-nato-military-alliance-ending-decades-of-neutrality.htmlYes, sir...just saw this post after I created a thread about it...

    You think this is good overall? 
    Why exactly?  What does it achieve that really make the pros better than the cons?

     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2024 - 3:38 PM ET #2366

    How Germany convinces their children that cruise missles should be sent to Ukraine.

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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2024 - 3:39 PM ET #2367

    For reason this won't load, check it out here; https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kgsVFZXnkAE

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    For reason this won't load, check it out here; https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kgsVFZXnkAE

     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2024 - 3:41 PM ET #2368

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @Europa  @ABooksNightmare   Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare: Quote Originally Posted by Europa: It's good to see Sweden formally joins the NATO, ending it's two hundred years old neutrality. After Finland, Sweden has became the 32nd member of NATO. NATO has been growing and strengthening since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.  https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/07/sweden-formally-joins-nato-military-alliance-ending-decades-of-neutrality.htmlYes, sir...just saw this post after I created a thread about it... You think this is good overall? Why exactly?  What does it achieve that really make the pros better than the cons?
    I put this in the thread I created about them joining when you asked in therepeace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @Europa  @ABooksNightmare   Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare: Quote Originally Posted by Europa: It's good to see Sweden formally joins the NATO, ending it's two hundred years old neutrality. After Finland, Sweden has became the 32nd member of NATO. NATO has been growing and strengthening since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.  https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/07/sweden-formally-joins-nato-military-alliance-ending-decades-of-neutrality.htmlYes, sir...just saw this post after I created a thread about it... You think this is good overall? Why exactly?  What does it achieve that really make the pros better than the cons?
    I put this in the thread I created about them joining when you asked in therepeace_5

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2024 - 5:33 PM ET #2369

    @thirdperson 

    You will not survive here. You are not a wolf, and this is the land of wolves now...
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2024 - 3:14 PM ET #2370

    I see no one has updated an important piece of this thread since the big news dropped weeks ago..... 2014 Ukraine coup director and US Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, Ms. Victoria Nuland, did announce her retirement.  

    An excerpt straight from our own Mr. Blinken:

    "Victoria Nuland has let me know that she intends to step down in the coming weeks as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – a role in which she has personified President Biden’s commitment to put diplomacy back at the center of our foreign policy and revitalize America’s global leadership at a crucial time for our nation and the world."

    Interesting choice of words for Mr. Blinken to use as she exits her position and an ongoing genocide in the Middle East continues... 

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    I see no one has updated an important piece of this thread since the big news dropped weeks ago..... 2014 Ukraine coup director and US Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, Ms. Victoria Nuland, did announce her retirement.  

    An excerpt straight from our own Mr. Blinken:

    "Victoria Nuland has let me know that she intends to step down in the coming weeks as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – a role in which she has personified President Biden’s commitment to put diplomacy back at the center of our foreign policy and revitalize America’s global leadership at a crucial time for our nation and the world."

    Interesting choice of words for Mr. Blinken to use as she exits her position and an ongoing genocide in the Middle East continues... 

     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2024 - 1:52 PM ET #2371

    But why ???  

     

    RFK, jr.  recently.... 

    "The situation in Ukraine is on the brink of calamitous escalation. Do the military imperialists in Washington and their lackeys in Europe have any idea the danger they are courting? They are conducting foreign policy as if it were a game of “chicken”:

    1. British Foreign Secretary David Cameron recently stated that Ukraine has the right to use British weapons to strike Russia. In return, Moscow warned the British ambassador that that would provoke Russian retaliation against London.

     

    1. NYT disclosed last week that US secretly shipped ATACM missiles to Ukraine that can strike deep into Russian territory.

     

    1. More and more reports of NATO military advisers and instructors in Ukraine directly assisting fight against Russia.

     

    1. Russia announced training maneuvers using tactical nuclear weapons, which it may use if threatened by direct involvement of NATO troops.

     

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    But why ???  

     

    RFK, jr.  recently.... 

    "The situation in Ukraine is on the brink of calamitous escalation. Do the military imperialists in Washington and their lackeys in Europe have any idea the danger they are courting? They are conducting foreign policy as if it were a game of “chicken”:

    1. British Foreign Secretary David Cameron recently stated that Ukraine has the right to use British weapons to strike Russia. In return, Moscow warned the British ambassador that that would provoke Russian retaliation against London.

     

    1. NYT disclosed last week that US secretly shipped ATACM missiles to Ukraine that can strike deep into Russian territory.

     

    1. More and more reports of NATO military advisers and instructors in Ukraine directly assisting fight against Russia.

     

    1. Russia announced training maneuvers using tactical nuclear weapons, which it may use if threatened by direct involvement of NATO troops.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2024 - 10:23 PM ET #2372

    Germany expels seven Ukrainian soldiers there for training because they were wearing Nazi emblems. an_light

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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2024 - 2:01 PM ET #2373

    A serious subject for a not so serious collection of threads in this cesspool....  WWIII.  

    "Vladimir Putin issued a stark warning to the West, stating that if Ukraine is permitted to use long-range missiles to strike deep within Russian territory, it would effectively mean that the United States and NATO would become direct enemies of Russia, making them legitimate military targets. Will the United States government start WWIII before election day?"

    https://x.com/TheSurvivalPodc/status/1834300137105227782

    Listen / read the transcript here of Putin.... does this sound like a crazed mad man?  Nope, that is the US leadership if they allow direct missile strikes into civilian population  centers in Russia.  Russia has been fighting this special military conflict with one hand purposely tied behind their back.  If NATO attacks Russia then the gloves will come off.  

    2 years ago I warned of this, as did Jeo Biden, and there were usernames that mocked it.  Now it is on the door step of escalation.  Senseless.  

    We / the world, continue deeper into the "great ravine" while yous guyz have clown conversations arguing about "who won the debate" an_light

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    A serious subject for a not so serious collection of threads in this cesspool....  WWIII.  

    "Vladimir Putin issued a stark warning to the West, stating that if Ukraine is permitted to use long-range missiles to strike deep within Russian territory, it would effectively mean that the United States and NATO would become direct enemies of Russia, making them legitimate military targets. Will the United States government start WWIII before election day?"

    https://x.com/TheSurvivalPodc/status/1834300137105227782

    Listen / read the transcript here of Putin.... does this sound like a crazed mad man?  Nope, that is the US leadership if they allow direct missile strikes into civilian population  centers in Russia.  Russia has been fighting this special military conflict with one hand purposely tied behind their back.  If NATO attacks Russia then the gloves will come off.  

    2 years ago I warned of this, as did Jeo Biden, and there were usernames that mocked it.  Now it is on the door step of escalation.  Senseless.  

    We / the world, continue deeper into the "great ravine" while yous guyz have clown conversations arguing about "who won the debate" an_light

     
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    God help us all .

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    European leaders downplay Putin threats to attack NATO.  He has made many threats but never followed through on them.  NATO has been operating with much restraint by gradually increasing military capability of Ukraine over time.  Foolish for Russia to engage strong NATO when fighting Ukraine is already a hard struggle.  Russia started this war by illegally invading Ukraine which has the right of self defense.  Only Russia can end this war.

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    European leaders downplay Putin threats to attack NATO.  He has made many threats but never followed through on them.  NATO has been operating with much restraint by gradually increasing military capability of Ukraine over time.  Foolish for Russia to engage strong NATO when fighting Ukraine is already a hard struggle.  Russia started this war by illegally invading Ukraine which has the right of self defense.  Only Russia can end this war.

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